Cold Northern Vengeance interview with UNRESTRAINED![views:16546][posts:123]____________________________________ [Apr 12,2009 10:36pm - Paul CNV ""] [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 12,2009 10:51pm - arilliusbm ""] good read paul |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 12,2009 11:23pm - bullshit ""] There is no dark side of things. What the fuck does that mean, "Darkside of things"??? Oh, okay you obsess with what people call the down side or the unpleasant side. Well fuck that man, I am into blackmetal and I will tell you something. There is no such thing as a dark side of things. That doesn't make sense. Your chaos magic philosophy is bogus. In fact magic itself is a miss used word. Your obsession with Nietszche is bogus. Everyone constantly miss quotes him and takes things he wrote way out of context. I am cool with you guys wanting to go against the grain and believe it or not I actually like your music, but come on. You and everyone else that has been interviewed in a mag always answer the questions as predictable as possible and you all say the same old shit. Nietszche this and that and everything is dark sided and blah blah blah. Most people never even open a Nietszche book yet everyone quotes him. When I was interviewed in a german underground zine I answered with truth and avoided all the lies. Okay Nietszche was a product of the 1800s his opinion is not relevant to current situations. Hes interesting to read, but his opinion was for his own as you say, "ZEITGEIST". Grow up. I wish all the black metaller would just grow up. I am a hugh fucking fan of blackmetal but everytime I see something like this I instantly say, "what the fuck are they doing, man". Talk about ruining something. Your chaos magic isonly ruining you not the universe, because guess what? you are still working, still eting, still breathing, and guess what???You are still a part of this system you claim to loathe. You do not loathe this system because you are too comfortable to change it or make changes. If you were what you say like everyone else you would, really do something drastic to make a change, not claim to be ruining life as we know it and still getting up every morning and going to work. Take my advice. like I said I like your music but if you really wanted to make an impact you would not have given and interview like the above. keep on making music and stop giving credit to Nietzsche, haha. Give the credit to yourself for having brought out this music you create. Dont get mad at this post either, use it as a tool to think clearly about a better interview approach for next time. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 12,2009 11:33pm - Doomkid ""] Seriously? This reads like a joke. If its not then I am speechless at CNV's immaturity-augmented mental retardation. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 12,2009 11:57pm - Paul CNV ""] Well, you are entitled to your opinion. Day is to night and night is to day. So there is a dark side to things on a figurative and metaphysical level. If you choose to percieve it some other way it does not mean your acessment is necessarily correct. Who are you to tell me my interest in philosophy is bogus? Sounds pretty arrogant if you ask me. That's right, I forgot you did a interview with a german zine. We should all bow down now. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us with your name and the zine? |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 12:09am - Paul CNV ""] Chaos magic is a form of magic which was first formulated in West Yorkshire, England, in the 1970s.[1] Through a variety of techniques often reminiscent of Western ceremonial magic or neoshamanism, many practitioners believe they can change both their subjective experience and objective reality, though some chaos magicians dispute that magic occurs through paranormal means. Although there are a few techniques unique to chaos magic (such as some forms of sigil magic), chaos magic is often highly individualistic and borrows liberally from other belief systems, due to chaos magic having a central belief that belief is a tool. Some common sources of inspiration include such diverse areas as science fiction, scientific theories, ceremonial magic, shamanism, Eastern philosophy, world religions, and individual experimentation. Despite tremendous individual variation, chaos magicians often work with chaotic and humorous paradigms, such as the worship of Hundun from Taoism or Eris from Discordianism. [edit] History Artist and mystic Austin Osman Spare was briefly a member of Aleister Crowley's A∴A∴ but later broke with them to work independently.[2] Much of his theory and practice would eventually form chaos magic. Specifically, Spare developed the use of sigils and the use of gnosis to empower these. Most basic sigil work recapitulates Spare's technique, including the construction of a phrase detailing the magical intent, the elimination of duplicate letters, and the artistic recombination of the remaining letters to form the sigil. Although Spare died before chaos magic emerged, many consider him to be the father of chaos magic because of his repudiation of traditional magical systems in favor of a technique based on gnosis. Following Spare's death, magicians continue to experiment outside of traditional magical orders. In addition to Spare's work, this experimentation was the result of many factors, including the counterculture of the 1960s and early 1970s, the wide publication of information on magic by magicians such as Aleister Crowley and Israel Regardie, the influence of Discordianism and Robert Anton Wilson, and the popularizing of magic by Wicca. A meeting between Peter J. Carroll and Ray Sherwin in Deptford in 1976 has been claimed as the birthplace of chaos magic, [3] and in 1978 Carroll and Sherwin founded the Illuminates of Thanateros (IOT),[1] a chaos magic organization. Liber Null (1978) by Peter J. Carroll further developed this new, experimental perspective on magic, now known as chaos magic. This book and Carroll's Psychonaut (1981) remain important sources. However, chaos magic in general is among the least organized branches of magic. [edit] Terms and practices within chaos magic [edit] The gnostic state A concept introduced by Carroll is the gnostic state, also referred to as gnosis. This is defined as a special state of consciousness that in his magic theory is what is necessary for working most forms of magic.[4] This is a departure from older concepts which described energies, spirits or symbolic acts as the source of magical powers. The concept has an ancestor in the Buddhist concept of Samadhi, made popular in western occultism by Aleister Crowley and further explored by Austin Osman Spare.[citations needed] The gnostic state is achieved when a person's mind is focused on only one point, thought, or goal and all other thoughts are thrust out. Users of chaos magic each develop their own ways of reaching this state. All such methods hinge on the belief that a simple thought or direction experienced during the gnostic state and then forgotten quickly afterwards is sent to the subconscious, rather than the conscious mind, where it can be enacted through means unknown to the conscious mind.[citations needed] [edit] Magical paradigm shifting One feature of chaos magic is the concept of the magical paradigm shift. Borrowing a term from philosopher Thomas Samuel Kuhn, Carroll made the technique of arbitrarily changing one's world view (or paradigm) of magic, a major concept of chaos magic.[4] An example of a magical paradigm shift is doing a Lovecraftian rite, followed by using a technique from an Edred Thorsson book in the following ritual. These two magical paradigms are very different, but while the individual is using one, he believes in it fully to the extent of ignoring all other (often contradictory) ones. The shifting of magical paradigms has since found its way into the magical work of practitioners of many other magical traditions, but chaos magic remains the field where it is most developed. Changing belief systems at will is also sometimes practiced by followers of Discordianism. One of the most frequently cited tenets of Chaos magic is that "Nothing is True and Everything is Permitted", a quote attributed to Hassan-i Sabbah and used by Friedrich Nietzsche in his work Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Like Crowley's "'Do what thou wilt' shall be the whole of the law", this phrase is often mistakenly interpreted in its most literal sense to mean that objective reality does not exist and therefore that free will is unlimited. However, "Nothing is True and Everything is Permitted" is more widely interpreted to mean "there is no such thing as an objective truth outside of our perception; therefore, all things are true and possible". The idea is that belief is a tool that can be applied at will rather than unconsciously.[5][6] Some chaos magicians think that trying unusual and often bizarre beliefs is in itself an experience worth having and consider flexibility of belief a form of power or freedom in a cybernetic sense of the word. Other chaos magicians suggest no "belief" is needed to work magic.[7] |
| _____________________________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 12:18am - magic magician elf wizard ""] [img] |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 12:27am - bullshit ""] look i dont need a lesson in what some losers decided to define as chaos magic. It is a play on words and a play on things noone can actually measure. Not to mention there is no proof of such things that happen on a so called metaphysical level. you superstitions are bogus just like skinner would say. So go read skinner not nietzsche. Playing with ghost and goblins is just like being a Christian, muslin, jew etc... I am not arrogant as I have my own opinion which is not to fall into a black metal copy cat image. You can talk up and down about this "metaphysical" bullshit philosophy but the whole premise of it all is based on the fact that we cant measure it. So until we actually can measure it and know we are not being fooled but other factors it is just bullshit. Science which is another word for your "magic" and is based solely on empirical evidence. Do you have any empirical evidence for your chaos magic and meta-whatever? Everything eventually becomes visible to the eye and in some cases mind, but this metaphysical force you are talking about and you people continue to talk about is nonexistent. That is why you can play with those concepts and make it look like you know something deep or some esoteric discovery now until doomsday because your ideas cant possibly be presented in any form whatsoever. Why, because they are ideas only and do not exist outside of your mind. I mean what is truth even??? Magic magic magic magic oh and magick...What books have you to back your opinion up? Or what evidence should I say because books hold nothing more than words....?Right??? |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 12:28am - bullshit ""] look I am not saying this guys band sucks, just the approach in the interview. Stop lying to people. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 12:30am - bullshit ""] "many practitioners believe they can change both their subjective experience and objective reality" you can do this already its called decision making, haha,not magic or anything esoteric or shocking. These words are magic tricks, not "magic". you are fooling people agan with a play on words. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 12:38am - Paul CNV ""] Hahaha, well science and magick are intertwined in my opinion. Like the guy that took acid and concieved the DNA strand. One could view that as a sort of "occult" communion. and metaphysics is very scientific term dipshit... Look buddy, you can percieve it however you want. Your limp wristed arguement behind an anonymous screen name definately does reek of bullshit and does not change my opinion. Fortunately for me things are going in the direction I anticipated. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 12:48am - Paul CNV ""] Ever heard of a guy named Jack Parsons? I'd like to hear your take on him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 10:41am - bullshit ""] look I am just challanging you and busting your chops. Like I said I do like your music so dont take this offensive or name call. Why?!!1BecauseI actually baught your album and emjoyed it. But check out James Glieck "Chaos". you will be happy you did. |
| ____________________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 10:48am - MikeOfDecrepitude ""] bullshit said:Nietszche was a product of the 1800s his opinion is not relevant to current situations. LOL! |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 1:44pm - AndrewBastard ""] http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/zardozz420/marc.jpg |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 1:45pm - AndrewBastard ""] [img] |
| __________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 2:07pm - DYA NLI ""] I just wanna know how many times I gotta listen to Domination and Servitude before I can cast magic missile? I KEED, I KEED |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 2:16pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] DYA%20NLI said:I just wanna know how many times I gotta listen to Domination and Servitude before I can cast magic missile? I KEED, I KEED Lightning bolt, lightning bolt. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 2:16pm - SkinSandwich ""] Acherontia Styx |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 3:22pm - Magick rulez! ""] I'LL TAP MY MANA AND DESTROY YOUR DARK WIZARD! |
| _________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 5:45pm - Doomkid ""] Paul%20CNV said:Chaos magic is a form of magic [...] Through a variety of techniques often reminiscent of Western ceremonial magic or neoshamanism, many practitioners believe they can change both their subjective experience and objective reality, though some chaos magicians dispute that magic occurs through paranormal means. Yes yes, we can all technically influence quantum reality if we put our minds to it. This interview still reads like a joke. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 6:03pm - sli sli sli ""] AndrewBastard said:[img] oh shit, this is the start of something bad... |
| ____________________________ [Apr 13,2009 6:15pm - ? ""] You dont like scenes, then what kind of scene are you in Paul? Play metal and are in a metal band and then you act as if your shit the best to come along from New England? YOu dont get out much do you? Or leave the woods and your happy place! Well like it or not you are in a scene.. |
| ___________________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 10:06pm - MillenialKingdom ""] Uh, believe it or not but if you play Metal, especially in New England, you're in a scene. You are not original. I think everything that can be explored with BM has already been done so. BM bands are more concerned about alienating people than making fans of your music. Also, Neitzsche's and Crowley's ideas have been done to death. Nothing new there either. |
| ___________________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 10:10pm - corpus_colostomy ""] anyone attempting to teach anyone a lesson on this thread is a dummy. |
| ___________________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 10:14pm - MillenialKingdom ""] Eh, just opinions. |
| ____________________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 10:21pm - mikeofdecrepitude ""] MillenialKingdom said: Also, Neitzsche's and Crowley's ideas have been done to death. Nothing new there either. And what would these "ideas" be exactly? |
| ___________________________________________ [Apr 13,2009 11:15pm - MillenialKingdom ""] The whole magick, Zarathustra, Abraxas, etc. mantra that a lot of Satanic/Pagan Black Metal and Blackened Folk Metal bands have taken on. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 6:45am - corpus_colostomy ""] Paul%20CNV said:Well, you are entitled to your opinion. Day is to night and night is to day. So there is a dark side to things on a figurative and metaphysical level. If you choose to percieve it some other way it does not mean your acessment is necessarily correct. this is so heavy brah...your blowing my mind with the whole dark and light / relativity metaphors. :tightiewhities: |
| _______________________________ [Apr 14,2009 6:59am - Atog ""] [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 7:41am - Paul CNV ""] corpus_colostomy said: Paul%20CNV said:Well, you are entitled to your opinion. Day is to night and night is to day. So there is a dark side to things on a figurative and metaphysical level. If you choose to percieve it some other way it does not mean your acessment is necessarily correct. this is so heavy brah...your blowing my mind with the whole dark and light / relativity metaphors. :tightiewhities: Yeah, it's kinda like your mum's cunt 60 years ago it was worth fuckin and now it aint worth fisting a total paradox... Hehe |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 8:03am - Paul CNV ""] Doomkid said: Paul%20CNV said:Chaos magic is a form of magic [...] Through a variety of techniques often reminiscent of Western ceremonial magic or neoshamanism, many practitioners believe they can change both their subjective experience and objective reality, though some chaos magicians dispute that magic occurs through paranormal means. Yes yes, we can all technically influence quantum reality if we put our minds to it. This interview still reads like a joke. Kinda like that band compromised of emo nerdarios The Taste of Silver... Kid, don't make slap the taste out yo mouth and make you bow down to row. Fuckin faggot |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 8:38am - corpus_colostomy ""] Paul%20CNV said: corpus_colostomy said: Paul%20CNV said:Well, you are entitled to your opinion. Day is to night and night is to day. So there is a dark side to things on a figurative and metaphysical level. If you choose to percieve it some other way it does not mean your acessment is necessarily correct. this is so heavy brah...your blowing my mind with the whole dark and light / relativity metaphors. :tightiewhities: Yeah, it's kinda like your mum's cunt 60 years ago it was worth fuckin and now it aint worth fisting a total paradox... Hehe if you were a fish, could i catch you with a piece of bologna at the end of my hook? i kinda just did...needless to say, your response was hilariously revealing in lieu of all your 'philosophical' rhetoric. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 8:55am - Paul CNV ""] Yeah... you really showed me huh? |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 9:06am - corpus_colostomy ""] Paul%20CNV said:Yeah... you really showed me huh? no..rather, you continue to show everyone else. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 9:12am - Paul CNV ""] corpus_colostomy said: Paul%20CNV said:Yeah... you really showed me huh? no..rather, you continue to show everyone else. Yeah... no shit sherlock |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 9:23am - corpus_colostomy ""] Paul%20CNV said: corpus_colostomy said: Paul%20CNV said:Yeah... you really showed me huh? no..rather, you continue to show everyone else. Yeah... no shit sherlock every kingdom has it's fool. you have sufficed no less. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 9:28am - DYA NLI ""] YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE THE BALL LICKERS |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 9:29am - Paul CNV ""] corpus_colostomy said: Paul%20CNV said: corpus_colostomy said: Paul%20CNV said:Yeah... you really showed me huh? no..rather, you continue to show everyone else. Yeah... no shit sherlock every kingdom has it's fool. you have sufficed no less. That's heavy brah |
| _______________________________ [Apr 14,2009 11:03am - blue ""] WOAH GOOD COMEBACK |
| _______________________________ [Apr 14,2009 1:47pm - ANON ""] BALL LICKERS NEED NOT ADHERE TO MAINSTREAM PHILOSOPHICAL NARRATIVES. AND FUCK THE IRISH TOO. |
| ___________________________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 2:23pm - Lukewarm Eastern Buggery ""] Cram it up your arse you bloody wanker! |
| ________________________________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 2:28pm - Flaming Southwestern Faggotry ""] Oh good lord, I've got to go to the loo you bloody poofter! |
| ______________________________ [Apr 14,2009 3:27pm - Yeti ""] the worst is reading anything written by Shamaatae in Arckanum. the whole "chao-gnosticism" is one of the stupidest pieces of shit i've ever read about. it reads like a 15 year old just picked up the Necronomicon at Waldenbooks and now thinks he knows the secrets of the black arts. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 3:33pm - darkwnli ""] [img] |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 3:47pm - goatcatalyst ""] Homenigger from Ofermod gives a hell of an intie. (He was in the mafia) |
| ___________________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 3:55pm - Doomkid in class ""] Paul%20CNV said: Kinda like that band compromised of emo nerdarios The Taste of Silver... Kid, don't make slap the taste out yo mouth and make you bow down to row. Fuckin faggot being a nerdy faggot > being in CNV Also, 'bow down to row'? What the hell does that even mean? |
| _________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 4:01pm - RustyPS ""] Doomkid%20in%20class said: Paul%20CNV said: Kinda like that band compromised of emo nerdarios The Taste of Silver... Kid, don't make slap the taste out yo mouth and make you bow down to row. Fuckin faggot being a nerdy faggot > being in CNV Also, 'bow down to row'? What the hell does that even mean? I'm pretty sure that was a Dr. Dre/Death Row Records reference...... |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 4:10pm - madoakdevin nli ""] this is boring. listen to led zepplin. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 14,2009 4:15pm - RichHorror ""] We should all just fight each other in the streets. |