Ben Sisto is trying to control the entire club scene in Boston[views:31920][posts:159]_________________________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 10:39pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] what the fuck, are you trying to say you sound like the dood from this thread. http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=23742 |
| __________________________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 10:42pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I am saying that Ben Sisto might very well be trying to "control" the boston scene as joe put, but I think it's only part of a large issue which is that there are no clear guidelines for how a promoter should or is expected to behave, and, if they behave in a way that is counter productive for a healthy environment, what does anyone do in response? |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 10:46pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] well i think clear channel or the infinity group wouldnt put up with someone controling the boston music scene but i supposed as far as locals go boycott what you can....but you're dealing with crabs in a pot here Nick |
| __________________________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 10:48pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Ben is moving into Lansdowne and it's becoming acceptable to play the Paradise for "Honeypump" bands. How is this consider seperate from Clear Channel then? Where are the lines, then? It's confusing, I think there needs to be a common set of ideas, or at least an admission that there are none at present so we can't make judgement calls about someone doing something in err in "our scene" or whatever. |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 10:59pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] whiskey_weed_and_women said:crabs in a pot you show me unite in a music scene and ill show you commerce. |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 11:23pm - rupturedzine ""] joe...didn't you used to tell me you were going to take over the boston club scene? lol. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 12:01am - anonymous ""] Michael from the Pill is booking Bill's. Not Ben Sisto. Going back to the original point that opened this thread: If Ben Sisto calls Michael at Bill's, and get's UV Protection or Clickers or Night Rally or any other "Honeypump band" a show at Bill's, how does that effect any other band in the Boston area or touring band. What band is not going to get a show (or has not gotten a show in the past) because Ben Sisto has a business relationship with someone (Michael) who is directly employed by a company (the Lyon's Bros./Lansdowne) that also deals directly with Clear Channel. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 1:54am - anonymous ""] AFAIK from what i was told, at the Whitehouse show Ben left without paying Psychic Paramount, one of the two groups playing that night who were on tour. |
| _______________________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 2:12am - coldnorthernvengeance ""] BRING BACK HELVETE NIGHT!!!! |
| __________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 2:27am - Cathach ""] This is happening.If you know me or Fodhladgh contact us.Wotan Mit Uns |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 3:30am - BestialOnslaught ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:hey alex, remember when you made that totally sweet thread about missing your ex-girlfriend? awww, why didn't you repost that here? It's not my fault the majority of this board, including yourself, has to resort to force to get laid! |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 4:06am - my_pretentious_erection ""] hahahhahahahahhahaha ok that was just mean |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 5:23am - BestialOnslaught ""] I think the manufacturer of roofies would do well to put up a banner ad here! |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 7:18am - the_reverend ""] the children's chewables you mean. |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 8:43am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] anonymous said:Michael from the Pill is booking Bill's. Not Ben Sisto. Going back to the original point that opened this thread: If Ben Sisto calls Michael at Bill's, and get's UV Protection or Clickers or Night Rally or any other "Honeypump band" a show at Bill's, how does that effect any other band in the Boston area or touring band. What band is not going to get a show (or has not gotten a show in the past) because Ben Sisto has a business relationship with someone (Michael) who is directly employed by a company (the Lyon's Bros./Lansdowne) that also deals directly with Clear Channel. Since you clearly go to honeypump, anon, you would recognize the relationship between Robin and Ben and you would remember when Ben had mentioned he would prevent Robin from doing a show at Great Scott. In my opinion, he had no right to say those things or act in that manner. Due to the fact that this is already something that he was doing publically on his own board, this is the only thing that I will share with an anonymous poster who seems intent on discussing Ben Sisto, anonymously, rather than trying to better understand the concept of power and priviledge in the a musical community. |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 9:01am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Also, anon, methinks you point out the issue. Yes, he is working with a venue that works with clear channel and lyons, and as I've known for many a year now, what's good for bill's, axis, or avalon, is good for their parent corporations. There is a claim amongst your fellows in the "DIY" scene -- a scene so pretentiously and falsely named in that the work is rarely done by the originator of the idea -- that they are above corporare involvement, yet, low and behold, they are working more and more with these moguls of business. How is that DIY? How is that "punxxxxxx rok"? It's not my value system that I shout from the rooftop, but it is one that if I were to label my shit as "punk" and "DIY" and all that other shit that I'd think twice about. |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 10:08am - DestroyYouAlot ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:I think the issue lies with the fact that with great power comes great responsibility, and I think he has misused that power what with his club nights and other things. This is why I only book shows through Spiderman. |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 10:09am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] DestroyYouAlot said:the_taste_of_cigarettes said:I think the issue lies with the fact that with great power comes great responsibility, and I think he has misused that power what with his club nights and other things. This is why I only book shows through Spiderman. peter parker is booking shows, goddamn you spiderman !!!! |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 10:10am - scoracrasia ""] Kick him where he pees. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 7:04pm - anonymous ""] Wow, this is great. First off, Ben doesn't "book" great scott. Carl Lavin does. Ben is the promotions guy meaning he coordinates ads, flyering, etc. He books some shows in there, just as I do. Michael who works with the Pill, books Bill's now. On a whole, Great Scott does NOT want to do metal or heavier shows. Most of the heavier bands, EyeHateGod, Doomriders, etc have been booked through me and in most cases, brought in extra security, etc. I've told multiple people posting in this thread before, if you have a good bill and want it at GS, talk to me and I'll try to push it through. That seems to go ignored. Regarding Obriens, it was mentioned several times in that thread that Martin is there most nights and to call the club or just go talk to him. In fact, I suggested that a few of you do that. Apparently, that didn't happen. Ben's "thing" isn't themed nights. People have brought ideas to him in some cases and they were themed nights. Ben had nothing to do with the creation of the Plan, the Pill, Blackout Bar, my whiskeybent and hellbound thing (which I explained on honeypump, was something I was going to do with Martin at his old bar and HE wanted me to do it Obriens now that he's there.) As for Helvete, even Ben said the kids responsible for all the shit talking about it being a white power night were ridiculous. I spoke to shred directly about it since there was a ton of rumors floating around. He said it was put on hold due to the NAFTA or whatever the fuck they're called anarchists threatening a protest and problems if there were bands associated with white power movements playing there and that if the Helvete people promised to NOT include those bands, he'd have had no problem bringing it back. As for taste of cigarettes post, Ben IS NOT working with Bill's, Michael is. Ben said he thought it was good for "the scene" that someone like him was going to try to turn that room around. Mark Vieira |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 7:10pm - anonymous ""] Also, the main issue here, that I mentioned on honeypump is promoter track record. Ben's able to do a lot of shit at different places because he has a good track record of booking successful shows that do well for venues, whether you like the style of music or not. If anyone was able to bring as many people as he does to places on a regular basis, you'd be able to do it as well. |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 9:29pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Mark You certainly must be aware, then, that Ben said that he would tell Great Scott not to work with Robin due to the fact they don't get along. Robin has worked successfully with PA's lounge and O'briens to do shows with a good turnout and no significant problems. Ben's argument was that when he found out that Robin wanted to do a show at GS, he would inform (supposedly) you that Robin should not be worked with because he could be an issue. This was, to the best of my knowledge in interpreting things, only due to their not getting along. When Whitehouse had to be moved from the Middle East to another venue, Ben moved it to Bill's. Regardless of whether or not he is on the employment roster of Bill's, he is working with shows that end up there and brought business to a Lyon's / Clear Channel venue with a smile on his face and the word DIY stuck somewhere on there. How is this not working with Bill's bar? |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 9:39pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] also, Mark, why did it take a thread like this to get you to come here and talk to people outside the Honeypump community about doing things with Great Scotts? My grievance is that there is this elitism, as if people haunt one spot and only deal with that board and those bands. But when a site run by Ben Sisto and with mostly indie rock and the ilk bands are on it acts a filter to get you to music scene information, how can you expect to get an even handed picture? You get their view of things first, their ideas, their sentimentalities. I mean the same could be said for here, which is why a thread like this http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=23202 makes more sense. To get people looking at these issues. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 9:40pm - anonymous ""] show us evidence Ben Sisto "atached" the word DIY to anything to do with the Whitehopuse show toher than using his own website that he pays for and maintains to spread word that the show was moved. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 9:41pm - dreadkill ""] i thought he was the guy who sang the thong song. why is he trying to take over boston? |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 9:41pm - anonymous ""] the same website that the person who started this thread uses to promote his own label and shows he books by the way (ie a network for ANYONE in the scene to use) |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 14,2005 9:50pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] also, Mark, why do you insist on discussing Ben Sisto more than the ethics and guidelines of working within / as part of a music community? |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 15,2005 9:24am - anonymous ""] A- DIY wasn't attached to that WHitehouse show. It was a "honeypump presents." He does shit all over. It was originally at the Mideast. Also, Bill's isn't in anyway a clear channel venue. B- I post on MANY messageboards. In fact, honeypump probably the least. I didn't even realize this site had a messageboard. So, please don't act like I'm isolated to the honeypump world, or that I, or anyone, has some responsibility to "spread the word" about the club's policies on different boards. C- Ben knew I was willing to work with Robin and he NEVER suggested I don't. D- as for discussing Ben over "ethics" and guidelines, I made it pretty clear, but I guess not clear enough, that I don't find anything "unethical." Seems to me there are people with sourgrapes about not being able to get their shows booked and are looking at a successful promoter of a different genre as being the reason/person to blame. Mark Vieira |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 15,2005 9:37am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] if it's "honeypump" presents does that not mean ben is booking it? I don't see the distinction you are trying to express. Why would he put that label on someone else's show? Bill's is a lyon's venue. The lyon's venues and CC ones are in the same bag as far as the least likely to have anything to do with the punk scene. Lyon's group is as much a player in the conglomerate, corporate, etc world as Clear Channel, just with less public attention. Ben has used the labels "punk" and "DIY" to sell his shit. So he didn't put it in regards to this one show? That's not saying much. If he used the "N" word to sell all his shows, then left it off the whitehouse show, according to this logic scheme, you would say he never used the N word before or that he couldn't possibly have ever used it to promote anything else. Whether or not he actually told you not to, he threatened Robin with getting his show blocked. If you really want to take the time to find the thread using the amazingly poor search function on BHP feel free. It's there, he said it, it's in poor taste for him to act that way. I agree, blaming ben for problems in a music scene isn't going to solve shit. For the 5th or 6th time I will explain that my interest is in discussing the ethics, guidelines, or ideaology of a musical community. If you have something to say about that it would be much more useful. Just spending our time talking about a guy who IS good at what he does (ethically or not) isn't going to change very much. I'd rather talk about what we can do to make things better, if there's anything at all. Perhaps you could add something to that, Mark? You seem to have a decent knowledge of some thing that go on amongst your constituency. In your experience, what needs to change, what needs to improve, what HAS improved or does NOT need to change? |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 15,2005 9:40am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] If you do feel the need to talk about Ben, what can you say is GOOD about what he does? You say he is "successful", but how do you feel his successful and what has he done to make it that way? I won't use buzz words or exploit a "scene" to make myself popular, so I mean, I think - yes - that ben has done that and I think a lot of the promoters that cluster on BHP do that, yes. It's more important, for me, to be a responsible person and then a promoter than the other way around. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 15,2005 9:48am - hobgoblin ""] whiskey_weed_and_women said:peter parker is booking shows, goddamn you spiderman !!!! what! that nerdy parker!?! Spiderman? I had him all the time! I've got some business to attend to with aunt may. *whoo0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000sh* |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 15,2005 9:56am - the_reverend ""] even though I still think that ben is a great guy and is doing a lot for a lot of bands, I like the fact that this dialog is happening. I personally think that I could suggest almost ANY band to ben and if he could do it, he would. anyhow, this thread is open and honest (well, beside jewjoe starting it with is in-of-itself not honest). there are plenty of good points here. I can see how nick feels the way he does seeing this from his POV and mark giving a POV that is closer to ben currently. as for the connection between him and the cancellation of helvete, I'm pretty sure that was just a rumor and that it was killed a long time ago. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 15,2005 4:24pm - anonymous ""] Yes, Ben booked or promoted it at Bills; that doesn't make him a Bill's employee. And yes, Bill's is part of Lyons Group which is a big corporation that I don't like, personally. It's not the same thing as Clear Channel and it's NOT the same bag. I really don't see the point you're trying to make with this WHitehouse shit. I know what went down between Ben and Robin and let me assure you, if I'd wanted to have done a show with him, ben would not have blocked it. I also don't consider myself part of any "constituency." I'm not a DIY promoter. My motives are pretty clear. I book shit that I like and that ranges from punk to hardcore to altcountry to metal to indie rock or whatever. Aside from my relationship with Ben as the promo guy for Great Scott, he does his shit, I do mine. We have very different taste. We respect each other. I dont have any other dealings with any of the other "diy" promoters in town (Craig, Jonah, Dan Shea, Deb, etc) I'm speaking from the perspective of another promoter in town. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 16,2005 2:23am - anonymous ""] taste of cigarettes> I think what you are saying makes a little bit of sense and your motives aren't too bound by gossip and/or jealousy, which seems like what motivated the person who started this thread (who mysteriously has not posted anything since his intial few incredibly libelous statements). I think you proved that by starting that other thread (Discuss the inner workings of our music scene(s)) There's probably some things that frustrate you guys within the scene. Every promoter wants their favorite bands to sell out huge awesome DIY venues where the security is cool, the crowd doesn't start fights, drinks are cheap, show can be all ages, etc. but the fact is that's rarely the case. MarkV, Ben Sisto, whoever, they book bands they like, and sometimes they book bands they're not into because the band draws and that will give them resources (money, connections, etc.) to book more bands they do like. Sometime's people have to come to terms with a few facts about metal/hardcore versus indie rock/"honeypump art shit" A) How many fights do you see at a Sleater-Kinney or Lightning Bolt or Iron & Wine show? OK, now B) how many people were thrown out of the last Mastadon show at Axis? How many bouncers had their noses broken trying to stop a fight between a guy beating up a girl in "the pit" at the last Soulfly who on Lansdowne. Why hasn't Blood For Blood played on Lansdowne in several years? Why are there no more matinee shows at Bills with bands like Bane and the rest of the Bridge9 brigade? Do you know the answers to these questions? I do. I worked on Lansdowne as an independent promoter for years. Basically, there's always going to be very few people who want to deal with metal/hardcore crowds. Sure it's just a "few bad apples" but that shit makes the news, and whether yr booking Obriens, the Middle East, Great Scott, or Axis or Bill's, if you put on the show, you're pretty much answering to SOMEBODY if something happens. So life sucks metalheads. When Exhumed plays the Middle East, all it might take is one stupid kid to hit a bouncer or some 15 year old kid to go home to his lawyer dad with a bloody nose from being in THE PIT and POOF once again ANOTHER venue in Boston doesn't want to deal with metal/hardcore. And before anyone says "Well Soulfly and Bane and Mastadon sound nothing alike blahblahblah" Guess what? IT DOES TO SOMEONE WITH A $5 MILLION DOLLAR INSURANCE POLICY ON A FUCKING NIGHTCLUB AND THE POSSIBILITY OF LOSING A LIQUOR LICENSE. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 16,2005 2:27am - anonymous ""] oops forgot to sign the above post. Anonymous= Joe P, proud friend of Ben Sisto, Mark V, and a person who has actually had first hand experience dealing with not only Ben, Mark, the Middle East, but also with the Lyons Group, who are indeed terrible business people and pretty much bloodsucvkers, but at least I made that decision after I actually dealt with them, not because of something I read on the internet. |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 16,2005 8:31pm - defnasty nli ""] I still think Ben's a fucking crybaby faggot on a powertrip, who has no idea of what being in a band is. He's an art school kid that has coke parties at nightclubs. He gets his little hipster buddies laid. "Um actually, I'm," Ben shut the fuck up. |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 16,2005 8:36pm - defnasty nli ""] And he totally thinks I love Life of Agony and 1 life crew. haha. |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 16,2005 9:22pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] anonymous said:taste of cigarettes> I think what you are saying makes a little bit of sense and your motives aren't too bound by gossip and/or jealousy, which seems like what motivated the person who started this thread (who mysteriously has not posted anything since his intial few incredibly libelous statements). I think you proved that by starting that other thread (Discuss the inner workings of our music scene(s)) There's probably some things that frustrate you guys within the scene. Every promoter wants their favorite bands to sell out huge awesome DIY venues where the security is cool, the crowd doesn't start fights, drinks are cheap, show can be all ages, etc. but the fact is that's rarely the case. MarkV, Ben Sisto, whoever, they book bands they like, and sometimes they book bands they're not into because the band draws and that will give them resources (money, connections, etc.) to book more bands they do like. Sometime's people have to come to terms with a few facts about metal/hardcore versus indie rock/"honeypump art shit" A) How many fights do you see at a Sleater-Kinney or Lightning Bolt or Iron & Wine show? OK, now B) how many people were thrown out of the last Mastadon show at Axis? How many bouncers had their noses broken trying to stop a fight between a guy beating up a girl in "the pit" at the last Soulfly who on Lansdowne. Why hasn't Blood For Blood played on Lansdowne in several years? Why are there no more matinee shows at Bills with bands like Bane and the rest of the Bridge9 brigade? Do you know the answers to these questions? I do. I worked on Lansdowne as an independent promoter for years. Basically, there's always going to be very few people who want to deal with metal/hardcore crowds. Sure it's just a "few bad apples" but that shit makes the news, and whether yr booking Obriens, the Middle East, Great Scott, or Axis or Bill's, if you put on the show, you're pretty much answering to SOMEBODY if something happens. So life sucks metalheads. When Exhumed plays the Middle East, all it might take is one stupid kid to hit a bouncer or some 15 year old kid to go home to his lawyer dad with a bloody nose from being in THE PIT and POOF once again ANOTHER venue in Boston doesn't want to deal with metal/hardcore. And before anyone says "Well Soulfly and Bane and Mastadon sound nothing alike blahblahblah" Guess what? IT DOES TO SOMEONE WITH A $5 MILLION DOLLAR INSURANCE POLICY ON A FUCKING NIGHTCLUB AND THE POSSIBILITY OF LOSING A LIQUOR LICENSE. well I think you bring up a few good issues. I'm willing to accept that there is the downside of more aggressive music in that it makes people act more outwardly, and, yes, sometimes poorly or even violent; but what is the downside of "indie rock/'honeypump art shit' "? Surely there is an up and a downside to everything -- what is the downside of that? and what is the upside of metal and hardcore? Another issue is one that Joe NotCommon has mentioned to me in person but never brought up on here, or, as far as I know, on honeypump; Why is there this approach in the HP sect that metal and hardcore aren't "art shit"? Why are metal and hardcore treated as the lower class? It would appear that, at least as I've heard it put by others, that that view is both snobbish and totally ignorant. There's plenty of art in any music, even bad music, but more importantly I can see what joe means -- it's always approached, at least from, again, the POV demonmstrated in the HP and even, I may go so far as to say, The Noise, sects that metal and hardcore are cheap, elementary forms of entertainment. |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 16,2005 11:39pm - defnasty nli ""] Let's fucking mosh it up blah blah blah. |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 16,2005 11:42pm - defnasty nli ""] Just like any constant band promoter, they will go away, anyone remember Sean Cringe? HAHA. John Regan, HAHA. |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 16,2005 11:46pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] does Joe Regan host fear factory |
| __________________________________________________ [Nov 16,2005 11:52pm - my_pretentious_erection ""] " Why is there this approach in the HP sect that metal and hardcore aren't "art shit"? Why are metal and hardcore treated as the lower class?" because they aren't from providence! |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 2:53am - anonymous ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:Another issue is one that Joe NotCommon has mentioned to me in person but never brought up on here, or, as far as I know, on honeypump; Why is there this approach in the HP sect that metal and hardcore aren't "art shit"? Why are metal and hardcore treated as the lower class? It would appear that, at least as I've heard it put by others, that that view is both snobbish and totally ignorant. There's plenty of art in any music, even bad music, but more importantly I can see what joe means -- it's always approached, at least from, again, the POV demonmstrated in the HP and even, I may go so far as to say, The Noise, sects that metal and hardcore are cheap, elementary forms of entertainment. dude shut the fuck up. you are such a faggot. seriously go be a fucking hair dresser. no one gives a shit about your gay opinions or if you like art or not. people who talk about art are talentless fucking jackasses who try really hard to be different because they fail at life. like you and your gay band that sounds like 5 million other fucking terrible bands. you cant just appreciate something for what it is, you need to give it this 'cerebral' quality (remember, you LOVE that word!) with fucking gay metaphors that arent even clever and dont even contextually make sense, abstract or not. ITS SO FUCKING RETARDED!!! metal cant just be dumb and aggresive and brutal. you need to point out how it has artistic qualities and isnt just for white trash drunk asssholes. well guess what? YOU ARE IN A GAY METALCORE BAND!!! what the fuck do you really know about metal? you cant seem to play it for the life of you. oh but wait, i bet you have some gay story about how you have listened to _____ since you were 13. its like me going to japan with whiteface and my balls hanging out and talking about how im a geisha and how i got all these new ideas to improve geishas. just shut the fuck up. stop being so self important, you egomaniacal jackass. no one gives a fuck about your opinions and if they do, then they are fucking faggots. oh and you making a thread like this is basicly you just name dropping and elluding to what a hand you have in boston music, like anyone gives a fuck. shouldnt you be going on ironic dates with girls with asymetrical haircuts? or making out with their brothers? or...i dont know. an 80s dance party maybe? YOU SUCK. BOOOO. FUCK YOU. |
| ______________________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 2:56am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] my_pretentious_erection said:" Why is there this approach in the HP sect that metal and hardcore aren't "art shit"? Why are metal and hardcore treated as the lower class?" because they aren't from providence! That reminds me! I just heard about this hype new grind but not grind band called Daughters, stop me if you guys have heard this one already... |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 3:26am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Oh baby, I forgot about this thread. Why woud Ben Sisto recomend that people email him ideas for Obriens, and he will pass them on to Martin Doyle, when in reality you can just call and ask for Martin? He wants to filter out ideas that he doesn't like, even though it won't effect anything he does because he won't be there. Why the urge to organize and monopolize the club scene in some NEMO parody for a full week? He can't be at 5 places at once, 7 nights a week. What is so important about his agenda that he needs to do these things, and blackball anyone he can who won't play along? Did he really threaten to prevent Robin from working at Great Scotts? I know he probably could pull it off, he did it to me. Robin might have more pull in some circles then I do, so it could be a little harder maybe, or have more of a backlash. As far as booking Khanate, I doubt it was very hard considering he can get what he wants at Great Scotts. Imagine being in awe if Mass Concerts booked Suffocation at the Palladium. However, imagine if Mass Concerts cancelled Nile for fear it was going to be too violent, then booked Suffocation. Ben Sisto cancelled Dysrhythmia on me, with the bullshit excuse that it was going to be too violent. However, Sex Positions was safe enough compared to instrumental hippy metal. He tried to blame it on a situation at Obriens, from the advice of Drew (their former bar manager), but that turned out to be a lie. |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 8:42am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] anonymous said:the_taste_of_cigarettes said:Another issue is one that Joe NotCommon has mentioned to me in person but never brought up on here, or, as far as I know, on honeypump; Why is there this approach in the HP sect that metal and hardcore aren't "art shit"? Why are metal and hardcore treated as the lower class? It would appear that, at least as I've heard it put by others, that that view is both snobbish and totally ignorant. There's plenty of art in any music, even bad music, but more importantly I can see what joe means -- it's always approached, at least from, again, the POV demonmstrated in the HP and even, I may go so far as to say, The Noise, sects that metal and hardcore are cheap, elementary forms of entertainment. dude shut the fuck up. you are such a faggot. seriously go be a fucking hair dresser. no one gives a shit about your gay opinions or if you like art or not. people who talk about art are talentless fucking jackasses who try really hard to be different because they fail at life. like you and your gay band that sounds like 5 million other fucking terrible bands. you cant just appreciate something for what it is, you need to give it this 'cerebral' quality (remember, you LOVE that word!) with fucking gay metaphors that arent even clever and dont even contextually make sense, abstract or not. ITS SO FUCKING RETARDED!!! metal cant just be dumb and aggresive and brutal. you need to point out how it has artistic qualities and isnt just for white trash drunk asssholes. well guess what? YOU ARE IN A GAY METALCORE BAND!!! what the fuck do you really know about metal? you cant seem to play it for the life of you. oh but wait, i bet you have some gay story about how you have listened to _____ since you were 13. its like me going to japan with whiteface and my balls hanging out and talking about how im a geisha and how i got all these new ideas to improve geishas. just shut the fuck up. stop being so self important, you egomaniacal jackass. no one gives a fuck about your opinions and if they do, then they are fucking faggots. oh and you making a thread like this is basicly you just name dropping and elluding to what a hand you have in boston music, like anyone gives a fuck. shouldnt you be going on ironic dates with girls with asymetrical haircuts? or making out with their brothers? or...i dont know. an 80s dance party maybe? YOU SUCK. BOOOO. FUCK YOU. I'm not metal in the least. I have listened to The Offspring since I was 13. I don't like tight pants nor would I cause they constrict my nuts. I'm also not punk or hardcore. I think I'm just Nicholas. I'm sorry I originated this thread, I'm secretely Joe NotCommon and Taste Of Cigarettes. |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 10:57am - DestroyYouAlot ""] anonymous said:Why hasn't Blood For Blood played on Lansdowne in several years? Why are there no more matinee shows at Bills with bands like Bane and the rest of the Bridge9 brigade? You do have something resembling a point, in that meathead hardcore does fuck it up for metal and real punk. But I'm guessing that's not what you were getting at. |
| __________________________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 10:59am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I don't think the hardcore music is meathead, I think some of the people that go to see it behave like meatheads. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 12:42pm - anonymous ""] DestroyYouAlot said:anonymous said:Why hasn't Blood For Blood played on Lansdowne in several years? Why are there no more matinee shows at Bills with bands like Bane and the rest of the Bridge9 brigade? You do have something resembling a point, in that meathead hardcore does fuck it up for metal and real punk. But I'm guessing that's not what you were getting at. No that IS exactly what I was getting at. And I was also making the point that in the minds of the people who actually run the clubs on Lansdowne Street, there is very little difference between having Blood For Blood play and having Mastadon play or Bane or Cannibal Corpse. People like you and I think "What? These bands sound nothing alike and <i>completely</i> different crowds go to see these bands.." But do you think anyone in those offices down there gives a shit? To them it's extreme music. Once again: No one gets their nose broken when the Rapture or the Shins play at Avalon or whatever. |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 12:45pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Fair enough. |