If you voted for Obama[views:23405][posts:178]___________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 1:10pm - mattkings ""] Democrats and Republicans both fucking suck. |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 1:31pm - Conservationist ""] MillenialKingdom said:Obama was the lesser of two evils at the time of the election. I think he appeared to be the lesser of the two evils. What you actually got was (a) no change on the stuff Bush couldn't change because it was unpopular and (b) a whole lot of new expenses and failures. Good work! I think people were just afraid of the social stigma of voting Republican. All your favorite actors, musicians and salespeople vote Democratic, so why buck a trend? CONFORM |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 1:35pm - porphyria ""] I almost wish McCain / Palin were elected so Conservationist would shut the fuck up. Actually, no I don't, I think it's funny that he thinks he knows what he's talking about and believes he's convincing people otherwise. |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 1:39pm - arilliusbm ""] i have no reason to follow policitcs anymore. can't take the lies, can't take the secrets, can't take this "government" and the upcoming NWO. we are all pawns in one giant fucking game. |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 1:41pm - SacreligionNLI ""] I used to get worked up over politics. Now I'm just glad to know that all of these douchebags will at least die. |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 1:48pm - Conservationist ""] "I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry," Obama said. "Number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home. And number three — what I think we know separate and apart from this incident — is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately, and that's just a fact." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/ap_on_...re_us/us_harvard_scholar_disorderly |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 1:53pm - porphyria ""] So what's your point by posting that link? |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 2:17pm - the_reverend ""] hearing all the sides that I have (most coming from conservative talk radio) 1) the guy was an dick and acted indignant 2) the cop was a dick to a guy that acted like a dick and arrested him 3) the mayor of cambridge was a super dick offering to open the cambridge purse 4) everyone who has made a comment about this sounds like a dick dick |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 2:18pm - metal_church101 ""] All the Rev sees are dicks. Is that a good thing? |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 2:25pm - metal_church101 ""] All politicians suck. It's just a matter of how hard. Politics is way to expense for any honest person. |
| _____________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 2:31pm - darkwornli ""] Conservationist said:I think people were just afraid of the social stigma of voting Republican. All your favorite actors, musicians and salespeople vote Democratic, so why buck a trend? CONFORM Obvious false cause argument. I would have voted for fucking Ron Paul if he had a chance. You're right, there is a social stigma against voting Republican, and they do just enough to bring that upon themselves (see Hoser, Fox news, conspiracy theorists, etc.) And remember - aside from being chief commander of the armed forces, and power to veto (which can be overrun), the president is no more than a diplomat and a figurehead. Obama commands much influence and respect in the senate, but that's all. I voted based on issue stance. I couldn't give a shit about anything else, I was putting my vote toward: - Continued legal abortions - Education funding, improved science and math curriculum, higher teaching standards - More troops in Afghanistan, less troops in Iraq, cut military spending - Stem cell research - Improvements in transportation infrastructure - Funding for green research/development - Funding for NASA - An economic plan that at the very least keeps infrastructure (that word again) intact - Improved relations with Middle East, Russia, China (that or plant the seeds for WWIII) - An educated president who speaks in complete sentences And I got what I voted for. Obama also urged black youth and their parents to stop aspiring to be ballers and rappers and start getting a fucking education. Great work. Obama actions I DID NOT vote for: - Continued Bush wiretapping policy - An economic plan that will magically fix jobs and dollar value in 6 months - Not releasing torture photos (lol WHO THE FUCK CARES) - A healthcare system that is STILL BROKEN - More foreign debt - etc. But that's what we fucking get and that's the state of things. If McCain was elected, none of the things I voted for would have happened, so that's why I didn't vote for him (in addition to not wanting Ms. Palin anywhere near the White House). I would like to know what all you McCain voters were looking to achieve by voting for him. Don't be shy now. There IS something terribly wrong with this country. Moreso than the divided government, it's the willful ignorance of the typical American in this materialistic, empty ideology-driven society (THEY TOOK ARE JAABS) From that yahoo article: "The number of people who think Obama can improve the economy is down a sobering 19 percentage points from the euphoric days just before his inauguration. Ditto for expectations about creating jobs. Also down significantly: the share of people who think he can reduce the deficit, remove troops from Iraq and improve respect for the U.S. around the world, all slipping 15 points." Funny that they all expected rainbows and sunshine and free money out of their ass in the first few months. Will much change within 4 or even 8 years? No - but I'm surprised that my dollar still buys me food, and I go home and have running water that's drinkable. A country with this many people takes a while to change. We're also seeing a resurgence of state's rights and local govts becoming near autonomous - but they still depend on federal funding, health care, and protection. As long as I live in a place where ingenuity and working attitude is rewarded, I'm happy. And as long as states have power and are able to enforce it, the president will remain a figurehead. |
| _____________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 2:34pm - darkwornli ""] And what a fucking attitude that is - "CONFORM" - come off your Internet high horse so I can e-punch you. Not all of us liberal fags sway in the wind sir. |
| _____________________________ [Jul 23,2009 2:37pm - HTR ""] pam said:Too bad we didn't get that dream team of McCain/Palin! Shucks. Oh, like that was the ONLY alternative. Keep watching TV. |
| __________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 2:39pm - brian_dc ""] Since she's not talking about an alternative to vote for, but rather to win, Pam is correct. The only winner could have been Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin in this election. Realism. Sorry, folks. |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 2:41pm - SacreligionNLI ""] Even mentioning another party other than Dem or GOP as an option is, upsettingly, a waste. Might as well throw your vote away. At this point all an election has become is people throwing their vote in the opposite direction of the candidate they don't like. Many Dems and independents didn't want Obama in office but would rather him than McCain/Palin. |
| _______________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:02pm - Murph ""] Guess it's time to gloat. I wrote in my vote. [img] |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:10pm - the_reverend ""] darkwornli said: - Continued legal abortions <3 |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:11pm - the_reverend ""] Laughs at all 3rd parties like the aliens in the simpsons. |
| __________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:11pm - brian_dc ""] the_reverend said: darkwornli said: - Continued legal abortions <3 that's my jam |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:16pm - arilliusbm ""] abortion is just wrong. you guys make me sick. killing embryos. god. |
| __________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:17pm - brian_dc ""] mmmmmmmmmm...I want them inside me. |
| ______________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:21pm - Yeti ""] the_reverend said:Laughs at all 3rd parties like the aliens in the simpsons. KODOS AND KANG heathen |
| ______________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:24pm - Yeti ""] the only thing that can happen at this point to steer us in the right direction is if Thomas Jefferson rises up as a zombie and summons all other influential folk from the era when America had meaning and overthrows everything. he wouldn't even disgrace his teeth by eating the brains of the current office dwellers, there would be absolutely no gain. |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:24pm - Conservationist ""] Crowley, 42, said he won't apologize. And his union has expressed "full and unqualified" support for him. On Thursday, he told WBZ that Gates verbally assailed him. The police report says Crowley asked Gates to talk outside, to which he responded "Yeah, I'll speak with your mama outside." "There was a lot of yelling, there was references to my mother, something you woulnd't expect from anybody that should be grateful that you're there investigating a report of a crime in progress let alone a Harvard University professor," Crowley said Thursday. Fellow officers, black and white, say he is well-liked and respected on the force. Crowley was a campus police officer at Brandeis University in July 1993 when he administered CPR trying to save the life of former Boston Celtics player Reggie Lewis. Lewis, who was black, collapsed and died during an off-season workout. Gates' supporters maintain his arrest was a case of racial profiling. Officers were called to the home by a woman who said she saw "two black males with backpacks" trying to break in the front door. Gates has said he arrived home from an overseas trip and the door was jammed. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/ap_on_...re_us/us_harvard_scholar_disorderly |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:25pm - arilliusbm ""] Thomas Jefferson is still alive. In paper form called the Constitution. Everyone just ignores him though. |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:26pm - SacreligionNLI ""] Remember Thomas Jefferson?! He's BACK! In paper form! |
| ______________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:26pm - Yeti ""] he should come back in Pog form. |
| ______________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:26pm - Yeti ""] hahahahaha |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:26pm - arilliusbm ""] I actually think I have a founding fathers Pog ahhahah |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:28pm - SacreligionNLI ""] arilliusbm said:I actually think I have a founding fathers Pog ahhahah DO WANT! Does this mean that the founding fathers slam? |
| __________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:29pm - brian_dc ""] For what it's worth, Reggie Lewis didn't live. This guy may not be a racist. But way to not save Reggie Lewis's life, pussy. |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:29pm - arilliusbm ""] oh yea Sac. forgot to thank you for buying that shot last week |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:30pm - Conservationist ""] darkwornli said: Conservationist said:I think people were just afraid of the social stigma of voting Republican. All your favorite actors, musicians and salespeople vote Democratic, so why buck a trend? CONFORM Obvious false cause argument. No offense, but most people are sheep, and vote because they sway in the breeze. Keep in mind I spent over half my life as a liberal... it takes some effort to get outside of the mental ghetto of social thinking, and see more of reality. I don't hold it against anyone. But do I think John McCain would have made a better president? Yes, I do -- of two bad options. Obama is a known glad-hander in a super-corrupt political machine. There is 0% doubt he is not only corrupt but savvy enough to be looking to hide it at all times. He's a shithead and a bad guy to have in office. McCain is boring, but a diplomat with good intentions and a good record. I would rather have him representing us. As Obama becomes further clueless, watch world and national stability lessen. You have to look at this shit on the fifty year or hundred year plan. By that token, I don't think GWB will come across as bad. Katrina wasn't his fault; it was if anything the fault of the mental defectives in New Orleans. The war in Iraq is a blip on the radar, although the media moaned about it like the death of baby Jesus himself. He was aggressive, so people complained, but it did keep the peace, and kept people not wanting to fuck with the USA. The current recession is a natural part of the boom-bust cycle, exacerbated somewhat by Clinton's easy money policies. If you look at politics like a historian, you can see past the hysteria of people with not enough to do toward the demands of real politics, which is a game of power and balance. Things that concern me: - USA debt bubble(s) - Overpopulation - Nuclear proliferation - Russia and China - Lack of competitiveness in USA schooling Everything else is window dressing. Amount Obama is going to fix any of the above: -25%, approximately. |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:30pm - SacreligionNLI ""] It's ok. I don't remember! |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:30pm - dreadkill ""] SAVE REGGIE LEWIS'S LIFE OR YOU ARE A PUSSY? |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:30pm - dreadkill ""] where the hell was this stupid cop when lenny bias died? |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:31pm - SacreligionNLI ""] This thread needs less conservationist and more talk about pogs and booze. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:42pm - MikeOv ""] Conservationist said: MillenialKingdom said:Obama was the lesser of two evils at the time of the election. I think he appeared to be the lesser of the two evils. What you actually got was (a) no change on the stuff Bush couldn't change because it was unpopular and (b) a whole lot of new expenses and failures. Good work! Oh that left-right paradigm, in full effect. |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:55pm - Conservationist ""] MikeOv said:Oh that left-right paradigm, in full effect. It's fucking stupid. The problem is that people are basically biased toward leftist ideas, even if they like them in conservative clothing. And so the decay accumulates... the Democrats are as right-wing as the Republican, just in different ways to make the product stand out. Obama for example seems cool with monitoring US citizens. What kind of real leftist would stand for that shit? Honest right-wing politicians are straightforward about removing dissident elements that are threatening, and leaving the rest. |
| _____________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:57pm - darkwornli ""] Conservationist said: Things that concern me: - USA debt bubble(s) - Overpopulation - Nuclear proliferation - Russia and China - Lack of competitiveness in USA schooling I'm concerned about the same things. I'll say again what I voted for: - Continued legal abortions - Education funding, improved science and math curriculum, higher teaching standards - More troops in Afghanistan, less troops in Iraq, cut military spending(slay islam) - Stem cell research - Improvements in transportation infrastructure - Funding for green research/development - Funding for NASA - An economic plan that at the very least keeps infrastructure (that word again) intact - Improved relations with Middle East, Russia, China (that or plant the seeds for WWIII) ^^These points address all of those concerns, and under this presidency, they've already happened. "Obama is a known glad-hander in a super-corrupt political machine. There is 0% doubt he is not only corrupt but savvy enough to be looking to hide it at all times. He's a shithead and a bad guy to have in office. McCain is boring, but a diplomat with good intentions and a good record. I would rather have him representing us. As Obama becomes further clueless, watch world and national stability lessen." ^^These are all baseless points...0% doubt... "Katrina wasn't his fault" - no, but FEMA response was. Hey, I don't care about New Orleans ghettos anyway. "He was aggressive, so people complained, but it did keep the peace, and kept people not wanting to fuck with the USA." - Agreed. But Iraq was poorly executed and could have been done with far less money, lives, and corruption (see Halliburton, "Mission Accomplished") "The current recession is a natural part of the boom-bust cycle, exacerbated somewhat by Clinton's easy money policies." 100% agreed, with every average asshole receiving sky-high credit limits Besides, McCain would have outlawed abortion! I know you don't stand for that. Not only is that bigger government at work, that means no fetus for dinner. |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 3:57pm - porphyria ""] Love how anyone defending McCain just happens to leave out Palin as if she wasn't part of the deal... |
| _____________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 4:01pm - darkwornli ""] Conservationist said: MikeOv said:Oh that left-right paradigm, in full effect. Obama for example seems cool with monitoring US citizens. What kind of real leftist would stand for that shit? HEY...I don't stand for that shit, and this isn't about left/right - I don't seriously call myself a liberal, I go by the fucking issues. I wanted to make my point that by voting for Obama I wasn't 'pwnt' anymore than I would have been, either way. |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 4:52pm - Conservationist ""] darkwornli said: Conservationist said: MikeOv said:Oh that left-right paradigm, in full effect. Obama for example seems cool with monitoring US citizens. What kind of real leftist would stand for that shit? HEY...I don't stand for that shit, and this isn't about left/right - I don't seriously call myself a liberal, I go by the fucking issues. I wanted to make my point that by voting for Obama I wasn't 'pwnt' anymore than I would have been, either way. Too late -- you have two realistic options. You have to pick one and then modify it to fit your perspective. Otherwise, your single-issue voting gets lost in the shuffle :( |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 5:34pm - PatMeebles ""] the_reverend said: FuckIsMySignature said: PatMeebles said:who still wouldn't print so much money that our salaries will buy us penny candy how do you know? cause the last republican president didn't. oh wait... Because all republicans are the same. Of course! |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 5:37pm - PatMeebles ""] darkwornli said:Besides, McCain would have outlawed abortion! I know you don't stand for that. Not only is that bigger government at work, that means no fetus for dinner. Wrong. He would've appointed a judge that most likely would want to overturn Roe, and return matters of abortion legality to the states. |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 5:42pm - Conservationist ""] PatMeebles said: darkwornli said:Besides, McCain would have outlawed abortion! I know you don't stand for that. Not only is that bigger government at work, that means no fetus for dinner. Wrong. He would've appointed a judge that most likely would want to overturn Roe, and return matters of abortion legality to the states. I like the Republican vision of federalism. Among other things, it lets individual states determine the values they want to have, and lessens the power of the federal government. It's a step to pan-nationalism, so that you could have a very liberal cosmopolitan state (California) in the same nation as, say, a traditionalist one (Texas). And Texas doesn't have to pay for California if it collapses... ;) |
| _____________________________ [Jul 23,2009 9:11pm - pam ""] PatMeebles said: darkwornli said:Besides, McCain would have outlawed abortion! I know you don't stand for that. Not only is that bigger government at work, that means no fetus for dinner. Wrong. He would've appointed a judge that most likely would want to overturn Roe, and return matters of abortion legality to the states. Which is a terrible, terrible fucking idea. |
| _____________________________ [Jul 23,2009 9:14pm - pam ""] porphyria said:I almost wish McCain / Palin were elected so Conservationist would shut the fuck up. Actually, no I don't, I think it's funny that he thinks he knows what he's talking about and believes he's convincing people otherwise. He didn't shut the fuck up when Bush was president, wouldn't have made a difference. |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 9:15pm - arilliusbm ""] I don't know about you guys, but I enjoy Conservationist's presence on this board. Makes it a little bit more interesting. Only if you have an IQ above 120, though. |
| _____________________________ [Jul 23,2009 9:16pm - pam ""] Conservationist said: darkwornli said: Conservationist said: MikeOv said:Oh that left-right paradigm, in full effect. Obama for example seems cool with monitoring US citizens. What kind of real leftist would stand for that shit? HEY...I don't stand for that shit, and this isn't about left/right - I don't seriously call myself a liberal, I go by the fucking issues. I wanted to make my point that by voting for Obama I wasn't 'pwnt' anymore than I would have been, either way. Too late -- you have two realistic options. You have to pick one and then modify it to fit your perspective. Otherwise, your single-issue voting gets lost in the shuffle :( EVERYONE on this board does EXACTLY that. It just doesn't suit your constant condescending bullshit lectures so you squish us all into whatever box you like and write people like me off as single-issue voters. |