Nick of Silver[views:19077][posts:190]__________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:43pm - BestialOnslaught ""] hoser said:Regardless of any guilt....I want to know if she prosecuted, and if she didn't....why she didn't. I already answered the first part, don't know about the 2nd part, but I can imagine it might have to do with the usual reasons a person wouldn't want to have to relive a horrible, dehumanizing experience. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:44pm - hoser ""] I know that if my sister was raped and didn't report it, I'd call her an idiot and tell her that because there was no paper trail, there's nothing that I can do. Then I'd kill the guy. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:45pm - kok ""] How can you say that you dont like our music? when have you ever heard us? Im positive it was with our old vox seeing as how we havent recorded with Mark yet, and I doubt youve been to any of our shows. |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:45pm - what tim was ""] i have no knowledge of all this, but with the amount of shitty things people do and say around here to try and ruin others lives and reputations, mixed with the fact that nick might be one of the most kindhearted and honest people i've met in a long time, leads me to believe that all this is just a scam to try and bring him down. someone has something against him and doesn't want their friends to be friends with nick anymore so they start some story about him raping a girl, something i highly doubt he would ever even consider, just to cause drama. this isn't highschool, shut the fuck up. i back nick completely and will only listen to him reguarding this topic, considering bestialonslaught and probably many others heard this rumor and are trying to spread it and demean nick and his friends. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:45pm - BestialOnslaught ""] hoser said:Was this whole situation embarrassing and questionable for both parties.....???? This is America.....you commies are convicting Nick without hearing his testimony. This isn't Cuba or China, ya know. Convicting? We're talking about it, noone here has the power to convict him or punish him or do anything other than state their piece. He has had ample opportunities to address the issue on this board though, without taking advantage of it. |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:46pm - what tim was ""] i have no knowledge of all this, but with the amount of shitty things people do and say around here to try and ruin others lives and reputations, mixed with the fact that nick might be one of the most kindhearted and honest people i've met in a long time, leads me to believe that all this is just a scam to try and bring him down. someone has something against him and doesn't want their friends to be friends with nick anymore so they start some story about him raping a girl, something i highly doubt he would ever even consider, just to cause drama. this isn't highschool, shut the fuck up. i back nick completely and will only listen to him reguarding this topic, considering bestialonslaught and probably many others heard this rumor and are trying to spread it and demean nick and his friends. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:46pm - kok ""] BestialOnslaught said:hoser said:Regardless of any guilt....I want to know if she prosecuted, and if she didn't....why she didn't. I already answered the first part, don't know about the 2nd part, but I can imagine it might have to do with the usual reasons a person wouldn't want to have to relive a horrible, dehumanizing experience. And you ARENT the first dirtbag to joke about the exact same thing or worse? Double standards....tsktsk |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:46pm - BestialOnslaught ""] kok said:How can you say that you dont like our music? when have you ever heard us? Im positive it was with our old vox seeing as how we havent recorded with Mark yet, and I doubt youve been to any of our shows. I just didn't dig the mp3s I heard awhile ago, I'd listen again when there's new shit. It was a joke. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:47pm - kok ""] Its all fun and games until someone loses a fucking eye. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:48pm - kok ""] BestialOnslaught said:kok said:How can you say that you dont like our music? when have you ever heard us? Im positive it was with our old vox seeing as how we havent recorded with Mark yet, and I doubt youve been to any of our shows. I just didn't dig the mp3s I heard awhile ago, I'd listen again when there's new shit. It was a joke. Cool. Im not offended, Im just asking. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:49pm - BestialOnslaught ""] kok said:BestialOnslaught said:hoser said:Regardless of any guilt....I want to know if she prosecuted, and if she didn't....why she didn't. I already answered the first part, don't know about the 2nd part, but I can imagine it might have to do with the usual reasons a person wouldn't want to have to relive a horrible, dehumanizing experience. And you ARENT the first dirtbag to joke about the exact same thing or worse? Double standards....tsktsk Are you thinking of Josh Martin? Haha... Yeah, I have a sense of humor about some pretty un-PC things, I'm not always the most sensitive person in the world. However, if you want me to serriously answer a question like "Why don't women prosecute the men that raped them to the fullest extent of the law?", my answer above is pretty sufficient I think. I've never claimed not to have an asshole side, but I'm taking parts of this discussion seriously, so sue me. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:50pm - hoser ""] I also back Nick if anyone hasn't guessed. He is a great fucking asset to the mucis scene and his avoidance of the accusations is probably his best defense. Leave the guy alone. He is wonderfully creative, which has nothing to do with this, but it is doubtful that he could perform any such acts. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:52pm - BestialOnslaught ""] You're entitled to that, and I don't blame people for giving a friend the benefit of the doubt, but appearances can most definitely be deceiving. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:53pm - CNV ""] hoser said:I also back Nick if anyone hasn't guessed. He is a great fucking asset to the mucis scene and his avoidance of the accusations is probably his best defense. Leave the guy alone. He is wonderfully creative, which has nothing to do with this, but it is doubtful that he could perform any such acts. Avoiding the issue just makes him look guilty If I was wrongfully accused of rape I would be foaming at the mouth... |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:54pm - what tim was ""] but what, besides this girl kate's word do you have? and how reliable is that word? i can tell you right now nick cares way too much about people to do something like that |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:55pm - kok ""] What ev. I try not to worry about other peoples biz, but I have met, hung out with Nick, and talked with him quite a bit. I would consider him a strong aquaintance/ friend. It would SHOCK the shit out of me, if this was true. BUT, remember, you truly know NO ONE. Ted Bundy was the most charming motherfucker on the west coast, but he bit bitches tits off, and choked them to death. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:56pm - CNV ""] kok said:What ev. I try not to worry about other peoples biz, but I have met, hung out with Nick, and talked with him quite a bit. I would consider him a strong aquaintance/ friend. It would SHOCK the shit out of me, if this was true. BUT, remember, you truly know NO ONE. Ted Bundy was the most charming motherfucker on the west coast, but he bit bitches tits off, and choked them to death. Nicely put, I do concur good sir! |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:57pm - kok ""] CNV said:>> If I was wrongfully accused of rape I would be foaming at the mouth... >> Same here for sure. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:59pm - succubus ""] pisscup said: I doubt that she's going to be happy when she checks her email tonight and finds her name on RTTP's message board. rttp gets a bad rap again... |
| __________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:01pm - succubus ""] CNV said:hoser said:I also back Nick if anyone hasn't guessed. He is a great fucking asset to the mucis scene and his avoidance of the accusations is probably his best defense. Leave the guy alone. He is wonderfully creative, which has nothing to do with this, but it is doubtful that he could perform any such acts. Avoiding the issue just makes him look guilty If I was wrongfully accused of rape I would be foaming at the mouth... except he's not avoiding the issue... http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=20903 if you don't feel like clicking here's what he typed in the thread he made: am making a public statement in response to rumors associated with myself and my bands The Taste of Silver, How They Light Cigarettes In Prison, and Monster Truck Rally. For the most part you know me as Faust Eddie or Nicholas Cigarettes. In 2003 a woman from Rhode Island made some statements that indicated that in 1999/2000 I had a sexual encounter with her that led to rape. I know my relationship with the person involved and I know exactly what I did and didn't do and I know that in no way did I ever, ever have anything that in any way was non-consensual, forced, coerced, or anything of that nature with said other person. For two years since I began to receive negative reactions based on these accusations I have taken the time to sort through what I remember as fact, fiction, and my feelings. Despite knowing all this time that I did not commit the act of rape, I have worked obsessively to learn from all of the backlash and to make sure that if I am to defend myself that I am truly innocent of this. I know that when I was 18 I was not always considerate emotionally, but I know that in this situation I acted responsibly and consensually. None of the things people have tried to do over two years -- cancelling some shows, writing nasty message board posts, feigned "protests", etc -- has or will change the fact that I still never ever raped anyone in my whole life. No allegation has indicated that this supposed incident was six years ago and that creating some kind of approach, at this point, that is to teach me a lesson about things that happened then isn't going anything to properly address whatever issue would now be in the distant past. I am a very different person today than I was then, and furthermore the guy then didn’t deserve that kind of treatment either. Given the same circumstances today I would not have made the choice of partners or lifestyle I had when I was 18; I was precarious and very open to whoever would have me. But life develops and we learn from those choices. I have grown as most people would have grown in six years time. Anything you wish to make me accountable for I've already been accountable for nine times over and I assure you whatever actions people choose take now isn't going to change the fact that I didn't commit the act of rape then or now. I do not support rape nor any kind of hateful, hurtful, or violent treatment towards women. I have always believed that as men we have a responsibility to treat women in a way that is as good if not better than we are to be treated. There are unjust things that happen in this world, and it is a sad state of affairs. In the past I have been very outspoken about all genders treating each other with fairness and empathy. I believe that both sexes harm each other as well as improve each other in various ways and that it is on both sides to be fair, open, and honest with one another. There is a right and a wrong way to handle things. I believe what has been happening in response to these rumors is a great example of how –not- to handle things. No good has come of this, and many people have been hurt because of irresponsible, unjustified, and illogical responses to the grapevine. My friends, band mates, lovers, peers, and others have been threatened and berated over this. It is not fair to them, it is not fair to me, and it is not fair to you people who are brought into this bedlam. There are real injustices and atrocities going on in this world that would have and will be served to be better attended to than these ultimately false accusations. My email address is fireandjail@yahoo.com. In two years only two people have actually attempted to discuss the matter with me personally and discreetly. If you’d like to do so, this address and that method would be how. Thanks for reading this and I hope you will see what I intend to say and where I have come from. ~~ joe meant no harm in making this thread..but all it did was open up a can of worms |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:02pm - kok ""] welp....there ya go. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:02pm - kok ""] Im such a faggot. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:03pm - kok ""] k, go! |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:03pm - hoser ""] I do think that Nick's integrity as a human is much more important. Although I hate to disagree with you Succi, as you are a cool chicky. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:08pm - BestialOnslaught ""] what tim was said:but what, besides this girl kate's word do you have? and how reliable is that word? i can tell you right now nick cares way too much about people to do something like that As I said, it seems like there are a handful of incidences and it seems like a pattern of behavior. An isolated incident is hard to judge things by, but it seems like someone like Jonah Bloodbath (mind you, someone who I've had a lot of disagreements with), who USED to be Nick's best friend could give you some insight. If you think I'm trying to demean his friends, you're dead wrong. I don't believe in any blackballing or witch-hunt shit, but there comes a time when you've gotta own up to shitty behavior, even if it's just an issue of the past. His own explanations for the issue, like what was quoted above, might settle it for some of you, and that's fine. As I said, I don't really blame anyone for taking a friend's word and giving them the benefit of the doubt. However, usually when there's smoke there's fire... And a good handful of people who I consider on the level have painted a very different picture. Believe what you will. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:18pm - BestialOnslaught ""] I'm done with this thread for now, it's been interesting... My main reason for getting involved was basically to say that there are definitely multiple sides to every story and that there's no taking this shit for granted either way. You're all welcome to take Nick's words at face value, but it seems like there are a lot of people who did that in the past and now regret it. Maybe they're all full of shit and I have no idea what I'm talking about though. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:18pm - dwellingsickness ""] BestialOnslaught said: He has had ample opportunities to address the issue on this board though. as it is posted above , he did address it on here, which he did not have to do, it is no ones business but the people involved, and you are not one of them. If this was you, I am certain you would not want this out on a public forum, It is a personal and private issue. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:20pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Is it private if it's true? Or just if it's false? |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:21pm - what tim was ""] fair enough, i just believe that in general people are fake and do what they think will up their own status in life, not saying you do, but honestly people are shitty, and overall i don't for one second believe any of these accusations. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:24pm - dwellingsickness ""] private in a sense that you not being involved, should not be discussing it on here |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:31pm - kok ""] dwellingsickness said:private in a sense that you not being involved, should not be discussing it on here OH SNAP~! |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:43pm - BestialOnslaught ""] To an extent you're right. I let the fact that I like to bust this kid's balls get the better of me and I feel like a real dick for bringing up names. On the other hand, considering his show that he was spamming on this board is getting boycotted on another board, it's already sort of a public issue. I'm going to leave it alone from here on though... These arguments are interesting, but I'm really not out to prove anything... Anyone who wants to work with Nick, knock yourselves out, and best of luck. Bandmates, friends, same to you... More power to Nick to, if he's moved himself past all the bullshit of his past. But everyone... Just remember that it takes years to even begin to really know someone. [img] |
| __________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 9:04pm - succubus ""] good point there are 3 sides to every story.. my side their side and the truth |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 10:34pm - mOe in AMherst ""] Alex Onslaught needs a life outside of trying to ruin Nick's reputation |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:16pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] there's tons of explanations by me there's like 3 on this board here are 2 I sent out: e: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:13:02 -0800 (PST) From: "N Cigarettes" <fireandjail@yahoo.com> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more Subject: Dialogue To: punk@abcnorio.org, fireandjail@yahoo.com Hi, my Name's Nicholas and I recently played a show at ABC No Rio last Saturday. When we arrived, a person from the Boston area, Janek, who has a gripe with me, apparently, told some members of the collective some pretty erroneous and hurtful things about me having done some pretty awful things, sexually, to one of his friends. It was brought to my attention that I would have to write to ABC No Rio and participate in a dialogue if I were to have any interest in playing there again. At first, I was receptive to the idea as it seemed like a means to an end. I understand the collective has a desire to be seen as a place that helps develop postive feelings and safety within the punk community, as well as the arts community as a whole. However, as I rode home to MA that night, I maintained this incredible feeling like I am still being beaten emotionally for something I did not do. I can't summarize in words how awful this experience has been for me, and how needlessly, as well as overwhelmingly, various persons from the Boston punk scene have treated me with undeserved disdain, slander, and negative fallout. I have been very upfront about trying to discuss this issue with parties involved. Yet, the person involved has not been receptive to that and has instead, via the internet, gossip at shows, etc etc spread this notion about me to places it need not go. The problem here is -- if you can momentarily accept for sake of argument that anything I say on this will be to the effect that i simply did not do what I am accused of doing -- that I am continuously made to feel more and more dehumanized by talking about every tiny detail of my private life with every person who decides to call themselves "punk". As a person that does not talk very openly about the sex I have had with people (I make a policy not to include people's names or the "gorey details" when it comes up for any reason, even casually) this has been a really, pardon my french, fucking horrendous experience. I feel stripped naked and pointed at, and since this has been going on for over a year now, I'm really, again pardon me, fucking sick of it. My feelings of discontent and insecurity have grown leaps and bounds. This experience is bringing out poor qualities in me as I feel depressed and shitty; like a kid that has been completely shitbeat for having spilled milk at dinner. The point is, I don't think it's ABC's place to ask me to describe, in detail, my sex life or any kind of private detail in order to "earn the right" to play there again. I am an active member of the music community, my band writes cerebral, intelligent music that is trying to expand on notions of composition and form, as well as true content in art. None of our songs are songs that spread hate, sexism, racism, or any of that ilk (you have our lyrics, you can see that for yourself). That said, this incident should have absolutely no bearing on ABC or my right to play there, in my opinion. I am not eager to discuss this ridiculous issue any further with the persons involved (all my previous attempts to do it in a respectable way such as email exchange, PMs through message boards, phone calls, mediators, etc have been rejected long ago), and I am irate with Janek who wrote my girlfriend a letter saying she shouldn't date me for a laundry list of reasons. This kind of behavior is hateful and harmful; it doesn't solve anything and just makes people feel like complete fucking shit. I pose no threat -- nor in ANY WAY does my band -- to the ABC Collective, nor would I in the future. I recognize the kinds of things it tries to do in the community; Myself and an ex-girlfriend were two of the co-founders of the Cambridge Food Not Bombs chapter here in MA; I have run a series of benefits for FNB, Books To Prison, The Lucy Parsons Center, and other such charitable organizations; My other project "How They Light Cigarettes In Prison" seeks to promote initiative in making and creating political and personal change. My girlfriend and I are monogomously (and quite seriously) involved, so "fear" that I might "harm" some female member of the community (which disgusts me to my very core that this would even be brought as a possiblity to you people) is out of the question. I hope that in consideration of all these things that ABC will consider what this kind of thing has done to me and realize that it serves no positive outcome in putting itself in a situation that does not, in any clear way, seem to involve it. I feel Janek was in the wrong to bring it to your attention, as it did not involve you in nature and still does not involve you in nature. At the very least I would appreciate if the need for me to write you a biopic on my sex life could be ommited and you could simply look at these credentials and believe that my presence in your community will be a great addition; or at the very minimum, at least not a harmful disturbance. It is easy to recognize that there could be no great problem caused by letting a soundly artistic and creative band occassionally play a 15 minute set at your venue for some like-minded individuals, some saturday here or there. Thank you for your time, Nicholas Cigarettes The Taste of Silver and the other one is on the other computer, and also this board. |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:17pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I just got home I can post more incontrovertable proof that I have attempted to contact people and deal with it (if anyone was there tonight, you know first hand I did) |
| __________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:30pm - pisscup ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:there's tons of explanations by me there's like 3 on this board here are 2 I sent out: e: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:13:02 -0800 (PST) From: "N Cigarettes" <fireandjail@yahoo.com> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more Subject: Dialogue To: punk@abcnorio.org, fireandjail@yahoo.com Hi, my Name's Nicholas and I recently played a show at ABC No Rio last Saturday. When we arrived, a person from the Boston area, Janek, who has a gripe with me, apparently, told some members of the collective some pretty erroneous and hurtful things about me having done some pretty awful things, sexually, to one of his friends. It was brought to my attention that I would have to write to ABC No Rio and participate in a dialogue if I were to have any interest in playing there again. At first, I was receptive to the idea as it seemed like a means to an end. I understand the collective has a desire to be seen as a place that helps develop postive feelings and safety within the punk community, as well as the arts community as a whole. However, as I rode home to MA that night, I maintained this incredible feeling like I am still being beaten emotionally for something I did not do. I can't summarize in words how awful this experience has been for me, and how needlessly, as well as overwhelmingly, various persons from the Boston punk scene have treated me with undeserved disdain, slander, and negative fallout. I have been very upfront about trying to discuss this issue with parties involved. Yet, the person involved has not been receptive to that and has instead, via the internet, gossip at shows, etc etc spread this notion about me to places it need not go. The problem here is -- if you can momentarily accept for sake of argument that anything I say on this will be to the effect that i simply did not do what I am accused of doing -- that I am continuously made to feel more and more dehumanized by talking about every tiny detail of my private life with every person who decides to call themselves "punk". As a person that does not talk very openly about the sex I have had with people (I make a policy not to include people's names or the "gorey details" when it comes up for any reason, even casually) this has been a really, pardon my french, fucking horrendous experience. I feel stripped naked and pointed at, and since this has been going on for over a year now, I'm really, again pardon me, fucking sick of it. My feelings of discontent and insecurity have grown leaps and bounds. This experience is bringing out poor qualities in me as I feel depressed and shitty; like a kid that has been completely shitbeat for having spilled milk at dinner. The point is, I don't think it's ABC's place to ask me to describe, in detail, my sex life or any kind of private detail in order to "earn the right" to play there again. I am an active member of the music community, my band writes cerebral, intelligent music that is trying to expand on notions of composition and form, as well as true content in art. None of our songs are songs that spread hate, sexism, racism, or any of that ilk (you have our lyrics, you can see that for yourself). That said, this incident should have absolutely no bearing on ABC or my right to play there, in my opinion. I am not eager to discuss this ridiculous issue any further with the persons involved (all my previous attempts to do it in a respectable way such as email exchange, PMs through message boards, phone calls, mediators, etc have been rejected long ago), and I am irate with Janek who wrote my girlfriend a letter saying she shouldn't date me for a laundry list of reasons. This kind of behavior is hateful and harmful; it doesn't solve anything and just makes people feel like complete fucking shit. I pose no threat -- nor in ANY WAY does my band -- to the ABC Collective, nor would I in the future. I recognize the kinds of things it tries to do in the community; Myself and an ex-girlfriend were two of the co-founders of the Cambridge Food Not Bombs chapter here in MA; I have run a series of benefits for FNB, Books To Prison, The Lucy Parsons Center, and other such charitable organizations; My other project "How They Light Cigarettes In Prison" seeks to promote initiative in making and creating political and personal change. My girlfriend and I are monogomously (and quite seriously) involved, so "fear" that I might "harm" some female member of the community (which disgusts me to my very core that this would even be brought as a possiblity to you people) is out of the question. I hope that in consideration of all these things that ABC will consider what this kind of thing has done to me and realize that it serves no positive outcome in putting itself in a situation that does not, in any clear way, seem to involve it. I feel Janek was in the wrong to bring it to your attention, as it did not involve you in nature and still does not involve you in nature. At the very least I would appreciate if the need for me to write you a biopic on my sex life could be ommited and you could simply look at these credentials and believe that my presence in your community will be a great addition; or at the very minimum, at least not a harmful disturbance. It is easy to recognize that there could be no great problem caused by letting a soundly artistic and creative band occassionally play a 15 minute set at your venue for some like-minded individuals, some saturday here or there. Thank you for your time, Nicholas Cigarettes The Taste of Silver and the other one is on the other computer, and also this board. I'm a bit confused about how you can refuse to talk about your "sex life" when someone is accusing you of rape. I am very, very confused. What does rape have to do with sex??? Is that what you think it all boils down to? |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:45pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I have been asked to talk about how I handle sex, what i do during sex, who I have had sex with, when I've had sex, what I did when I had sex with "unnamed punx womyn", what I like about sex, where I've had sex you've got a lot to learn about this whole thing if you think all that's happened is someone said I raped them, pisscup |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:47pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] oh and also yes I've had to describe to ABC, in detail, "what went on" |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:48pm - the_reverend ""] holy negative effect of what a thread is suppose to be about. note to parents, never get you kid Axe body wash. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:48pm - succubus ""] wow..someone emailed your gf..wtf??? |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:56pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] the other one I just noticed that Succubus found on here, Thanks Carina In the past three years, I've: 1)Called the parties involved 2) called accusers involved 3) emailed parties involved 4) posted on message boards that these people used asking them to have a discussion with me 5) talked to an "viceroy" they enlisted to talk to me (it didn't go anywhere, I told them I'd sit down with them and they never responded) 6) Written public releases like the above I've played ball with the PUNX on this for a while, but to no avail. I have never sexually assaulted a woman nor would I ever. tonight, there was a discussion about this 50ft from where I stood which I was not invited to. Thankfully, some friends managed to negotiate some terms which we could agree to. i was made to read a statement I had negotiated through a third party in front of an audience tonight. It is reprised below for anyone not in attendance: "I have been accused of sexaul assault / rape. My band and myself do not condone sexual assault. This is not the end. This is the first step to working on a very serious issue. It is my responsibility to address these issues with the concerned parties through a mediator if necessary" after 3 years, this is the first step they have ever taken to confront this in a positive way. ... and all it took was us asking them 1000 times tonight to do that. |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:59pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] succubus said:wow..someone emailed your gf..wtf??? yup, and without going into details, TWO girls I've dated were harassed about this in the past few years. I had to call my aunt and tell her not to come to the show tonight. These people have hurt others because of their jihad. This is totally without merit, and I think everyone has a right to know this is how these individuals choose to deal with a problem like this. Also, I want to make this very clear, I WAS NEVER TOLD BY THESE PEOPLE THAT I WAS BEING ACCUSED OF RAPE. I found that out after the fact and they followed through on the stories only after I posted on Board.HP about this. |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:00am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] hoser said:Did she prosecute, Pisscup? Did she or not? what does that matter, in HS a friend of mine had her top ripped right off her by strangers at a beach and had to swim in to stop them. so we all saw that and stopped anything further from happening by a bunch of drunk doods. because she didnt prosecute them does that mean what we all saw didnt really happen. sometimes a girl doesnt wanna get in front of a courtroom and say she was powerless and was raped. ever think of that genius |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:11am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] AlexOnslaught - 04/23/06 at 06:46 pm (209.6.176.219) Did you read my post Peter? I obviously was not getting into a serious discussion of the details of this crap, and the alternative show they've presented is even worse than the original event. I just support pushing the poser-rapist in question out of any and every scene. |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:13am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] ted_danson - 04/23/06 at 07:31 pm (24.218.100.49) as someone who knows the alleged "rapist" for over two and a half years now...(dated him for 1.5 of those years) i can't say im not biased. however, i agree with the people who question if what happened really did happen. for one. there was that massive thread started about it probably almost a year ago now...even maybe longer than that. whenever the alleged person WOULD write his response or would try to explain what happened, it was often overlooked or looked down on because what he would write happened to be extremely long or thorough... also, the person in question had had many falling outs with various members of the boston scene. this automatically put him in a negative light to many people, because he had acted shittilyin the past. i'm not discrediting anyone, but maybe people should stick to the whole "innocent until proven guilty thing" |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:13am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] yeah for people who dont wanna actually know what happend |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:14am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] omar - 04/23/06 at 08:17 pm (207.180.183.162) the reason this bothers me is that the accused has continuously tried to talk to people about this (stemming from when this was first talked about on honeypump over a year ago) and all that happens on the other side (to the extent that i know) is him being critized. there hasn't been a dialogue about it and so this crap is not only still in the air, but people who don't even know him continue to harbor negative feelings toward him. that said. there are a few things i would like to bring up. the alleged person isn't the only person who is being affected by this at all. his entire band is, and in addition to other bands on the bill. from what i know people, who will remain un-naimed, went to re-gen destroyed a bunch of the taste of silver/agahnim(sp?) spilts and made a point for them not to be carried anymore. bullshit? so not only is it the alleged person who's getting shit for this, it's everyone else in his band, and not to mention other bands who have nothing to do with it. nonsense. really productive. good job. ruin the creative capability that is the only thing this person has left to hang on to. |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:15am - the_reverend ""] whoahwhoahwhoahwhoahwhoahwhoah whoah wait a second. nick likes giols? when the heck did that happen? I though everyone in motion sickness liked dudes. oh what a fool I've been. I though jonah would talk to nick cause their relationship ended badly. what an idiot I've been. and W3 if there are no pictures it didn't happen. you want boob stories, talk to carina she's got a double d sized set of stories about perverted old guys grabbing at he young melons to see if they are ripe. |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:19am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] the_reverend said: W3 if there are no pictures it didn't happen. you want boob stories, talk to carina she's got a double d sized set of stories about perverted old guys grabbing at he young melons to see if they are ripe. yeah i imagine so, my friend was just as blessed/cursed as Carina. so i can only imagine growing up in italy how much more fun Carina had. yeah for retardness with the internet. this is supposed be a way to cure boredom not create it, youre all ruining my sunday night. assholes ha |