Please school me on black metal[views:9038][posts:62]____________________________ [Jan 7,2008 3:01pm - ZJD ""] I made a thread like this about fastcore/powerviolence a while back but I suspect more than 2 people on this board will be able to post in this one. I've listened to/had black metal albums for maybe 5 years but never in a big way and pretty much just Darkthrone, Burzum, Mayhem, and Bathory (of which I mostly only listened to Bathory and Darkthrone). I've always loved Sigh and Dissection as well, but I don't group them in with the stuff I want to learn more about so much. In the past year I've gotten stuff from Watain, Deathspell Omega, Weakling, Gorgoroth, Judas Iscariot, Enslaved, Nachtmystium, and Emperor. This is pretty much my black metal collection. Of these bands, the ones I come back to the most seem to be Weakling, Watain, and Judas Iscariot. Gorgoroth and Nachtmystium are newer to me but seem like they will get lots of plays. The Deathspell Omega I have so far, does almost nothing for me. I also am not so big on the symphonic stuff. Tell me what I need to know. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 7,2008 3:17pm - Yeti ""] Tsjuder old Satyricon (Rebel Extravaganza and before) |
| ____________________________ [Jan 7,2008 3:19pm - ZJD ""] I want to say I had some Satyricon that I hated a while back that was supposed to be a good. I've read a ton since then about people who hate them and figured they weren't universally loved and I wasn't just ignorant. Any specific album you think will win me over? |
| _____________________________ [Jan 7,2008 3:22pm - Yeti ""] Dark Medieval Times, The Shadowthrone and Nemesis Divina. i'd be surprised if you didn't like those. a lot of stuff it just takes time to grasp, there are albums i didn't like years ago that i hear now and kick myself in the ass for not paying attention to earlier. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 7,2008 3:56pm - niflheim ""] Deathspell Omega is an aquired taste, but they add a slight twist to the BM aesthetic. Especially on their last release "Fas", they utilize angular riffing, reminiscent of Ved Buens Ende. It gives the music a sort of bizarre and bent feeling. They also inject ambience passages as well, for atmospheric effect. Cool stuff. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 7,2008 4:36pm - atthehaunted ""] I love Old Man's Child, Galder the genius behind it all is also in Dimmu Borgir but still does Old Man's Child on the side. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 7,2008 4:46pm - NorthernFrost ""] Yeah DSO is definitely an acquired taste. They're really unique though, and you should keep trying to get into them. I think an important thing to know is to learn about the different Black Metal scenes. Usually these are categorized by country. The biggest ones tend to be the French, Norweigan, and more recently the U.S. scene. I tend to listen to the most French Black Metal as well as the classic Norweigan bands. Generally I avoid the U.S. scene, but there's a select few bands (Weakling, Wolves in the Throne Room, Absu, Negative Plane) that I really like. |
| ____________________________ [Jan 7,2008 4:58pm - ZJD ""] I forgot that I love Absu, especially The Sun of Tipareth and Tara. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 7,2008 5:05pm - My_dying_bride ""] havez u hurd teh immortolz?? |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 7,2008 5:29pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] I have loads of great Black Metal... http://www.pathosproductions.com/ |
| _____________________________ [Jan 7,2008 6:14pm - Blue ""] NGBM |
| ____________________________ [Jan 7,2008 6:27pm - ZJD ""] My_dying_bride said:havez u hurd teh immortolz?? Yes. Not in a long time, but I remember never wanting to listen to them instead of bathory or darkthrone. |
| ____________________________ [Jan 7,2008 6:27pm - ZJD ""] Blue said:NGBM ? |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 7,2008 7:31pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] No Gay Black Metal Agreed, I only like good BM! |
| ______________________________ [Jan 7,2008 8:31pm - troll ""] You missed your ride kid, take another bus. If you need to be schooled it ain't for you. Black Metal is such a fuckin' passe label. Makes me sick. Its very definition as a genre today only serves stagnant hanger ons. Its far exceeded its usefulness to target folks who just needed more atmosphere in there extreme metal than the Death Metal "br00tal dude" types which plagued/plagues underground metals true growth. BM is dead and rightly so...........Gives room for serious artists who subsequently evolve and outgrow the confines of such a label. mood= craggy, cold and grim haha |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 7,2008 9:15pm - atthehaunted ""] Grim and cold are key points in being trv kvlt BM |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 7,2008 9:19pm - immortal13 ""] Immortal is a definite, and old Dimmu isn't bad. Emperor is my favorite black metal band. Rotting Christ is another good one, and don't forget 1349. And uh...do your best to avoid COF at all times. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 7,2008 9:39pm - ancient master ""] Taake Abigor Drudkh Astrofaes Nokturnal Mortum Beherit Bethelehem Craft Skyforger Falkenbach Graveland Hate Forest Manegarm Summoning Temnozor Mithotyn Thorns Isengard Negura Bunget Storm Veles Velvet Cacoon Vrolok Manes Weakling Woodtemple Thats enough |
| ______________________________ [Jan 7,2008 9:44pm - Arist ""] another vouch for Taake, love their music |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 7,2008 10:12pm - goatcatalyst ""] VON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OLD FUCKING WAINDS!!! Strid. Kroda. Antaeus. Impiety. Arkhon Infaustus. Inquisition. Arkha Sva. Cantus Bestiae. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 7,2008 11:26pm - Dankill ""] one more no one mentioned: Twilight |
| ______________________________ [Jan 7,2008 11:39pm - Lamp ""] Hell, not one mention of either Ulver or Ildjarn and I know less about black metal than the OP...hmm. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 8,2008 12:41am - Hungtableed ""] As of lately, the only black metal bands I've been listening to a lot of are: Drudkh Nokturnal Mortum Skyforger Graveland Tengereken |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 8,2008 4:48am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] SOUND BARRIER |
| ______________________________ [Jan 8,2008 6:12am - troll ""] ARCKANVM http://www.arckanum.se |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 8,2008 10:29am - DestroyYouAlot ""] To the OP: You'd probably be into sum Impaled Nazarene - especially since they tend to have sort of a hardcore feel to a lot of their stuff. (Black metal with football chants? Awww, yeah.) Carpathian Forest is cool; they have a definite "rock" influence, a la first wave / proto-BM. Very cold, very not-liking-you-very-much. Drudkh bears re-re-rementioning again - It's (IMO) the next logical step from Burzum, with a bit of the folk dialed in. Kult ov Azazel is hyperblast-y USBM; I've heard people say it's too death metal-ly (and the drums definitely are pretty flat and clinical, at least on the stuff I have), but I like the songwriting, and the blown-out loudness of the production. Super-hyper-backed on Arckanum; and I'll raise you a Troll (the band, not the sweet and cuddly RTTP poster). It's Nagash from Demon Burger before he was Nagash from Demon Burger, when he was a teenager (and not quite so lame). Very... um... trollish, on both counts. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 8,2008 12:51pm - ZJD ""] Sweet, I have a solid month of downloading before I can even listen to most of this. Out of all the new stuff I have gotten, the first two Gorgoroth albums are my favorite, and probably the angriest I have. Lamp, do you like black metal? |
| ______________________________ [Jan 8,2008 12:56pm - Yeti ""] Pentagram and Antichrist dominate. Under the Sign of Hell is great too, i just hate the snare sound. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 8,2008 12:59pm - SlavonicIdentity ""] Grand Belial's Key! |
| _____________________________ [Jan 8,2008 1:13pm - CNV ""] Grand Belial's Key (Best American Black Metal ever, catchy and classic riffs, anti semitic lyrics, memorable songs, especially "Mocking" and "Judeobeast") Xasthur (Black metal that appeals to hipsters with black rimmed sun glasses) Absurd- "Totenlieder" (One of the most under rated bm albums of all time, sung all in German, really violent sounding with Oi! influence) Aborym (weird shit that fuses psycho industrial and techno) Craft- Kind of a newer band but not really, the first track on "Total Soul Rape" sounds like the vocalist is being doused with gasoline and set ablaze... EVIL! Blasphemy- Canada's Satanic Steroid freaks, primitive spinal extractions Ibex Throne- GG Allin meets black metal Shining- Suicidal and Serpentine black metal Silencer- More suicidal with really psychotic Vokills... Impaled Nazarene- "Tol Compt Norz Norz Norz"- Probably the most violent and diabolic black metal album I have ever heard... Even has intros of devils fucking little childen and farm animals. "Urga Karma" is also good... New stuff aint as good... Blut Aus Nord- "the Work which transforms God", one of the few French band's I like, really Avant Garde type stuff ... Has a neurosis vibe to it. Arcturus- Great atmospheric black metal, vast soundscapes and awesome vocals... Esoteric Abruptum- The guy tortures himself when recording, nuff said... The Black- Jon from Dissection's black metal project, awesome fuckin band, evil and atmospheric Swordmaster- "Wraths of Time" (Intense!!) Hades- "Again Shall Be..."- Cold, dark, glorious Norse bm with Viking lyrics Mysticum- has an industrial and dead feel to it... Like an evil assembly line Necromantia- Best greek bm Nifelheim- Black Metal, whiskey, and Judas Priest |
| _____________________________ [Jan 8,2008 1:22pm - Yeti ""] ah yeah, Blut Aus Nord - Memoria Vetusta is killer too. also check out Limbonic Art. their earlier stuff has a ton of synth work, but its not the huge epic symphonic style. Moon in the Scorpio is my favorite one, but In Abhorrence Dementia is just pure fucking evil. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 9,2008 3:29am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Top five in no particular order would be: Katharsis Antaeus Bathory Funeral Mist Abruptum And I've been listening to the following over the past few months: Arkha Sva Black Wood Merrimack Teitanblood Necros Christos Thunderbolt Abigail Barbatos Taarma Apokalyptic Raids Myrkr Warloghe Chalice of Blood |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 9,2008 3:33am - RichHorror ""] Listen to Hellhammer. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 9,2008 5:07pm - atthehaunted ""] I'm surprised no one posted a pic of the all mighty IMMORTAL |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 9,2008 5:30pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] My_dying_bride said:havez u hurd teh immortolz?? |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 9,2008 5:45pm - atthehaunted ""] That's a pic? |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 9,2008 6:16pm - My_dying_bride ""] [img] |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 9,2008 6:16pm - My_dying_bride ""] ancient master said: Thorns Thats enough |
| _________________________________________________ [Jan 9,2008 6:38pm - Humanity‘s Plague Prod. ""] some that were not mentioned that I am fond of... Ophthalamia Pazuzu Dolorian Profanum Avsky (for obvious reasons) |
| _______________________________ [Jan 10,2008 10:46am - Yeti ""] My_dying_bride said:ancient master said: Thorns Thats enough i was walking home yesterday and silently rocking out to Existence. the end of that song makes me want to punch old ladies. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 10,2008 11:33am - C.DEAD ""] Naked Whipper Goat Vomit Uranium 235 Godkiller Niden Div. 187 Dead Christ early Forgotten Tomb (though on the doom side of things) Strid Abigor Just some off the top of my head. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 10,2008 11:34am - C.DEAD ""] And there should be more mention of Ved Buens Ende and Manes, some of the best Norway had to offer. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 10,2008 11:45am - aril ""] Root |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 10,2008 12:30pm - thuringwethil ""] Striborg Judas Iscariot Tjolgtjar Leviathan VON Hellhammer Immortal Blut Aus Nord ...so fucking many |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 10,2008 12:33pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Just listen to every black metal band, ever. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 10,2008 12:42pm - Yeti ""] dISEMBOWLMENT is a must, even though they are blackish/death doom, i feel there is enough of a black metal sound to appeal to most. it is fucking evil. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 10,2008 1:00pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Also, you're not tr00 if you're not into these guys: http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=42666 |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 10,2008 1:58pm - thuringwethil ""] tee-hee |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 10,2008 2:10pm - goatcatalyst ""] and go to these shows, or you're a jesus-kissing turd [img] [img] |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 10,2008 2:25pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] goatcatalyst said:and go to these shows, or you're a jesus-kissing turd Well, I don't want that. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 10,2008 2:35pm - goatcatalyst ""] ... who would? i mean - besides jesus-kissing turds, that is |
| __________________________________ [Jan 10,2008 7:24pm - Punisher ""] My_dying_bride said:[img] This just looks fucking GAY. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 10,2008 8:24pm - ZJD ""] I've been downloading a lot and loving a bunch of it. There are a few bands I knew about beforehand that have not been mentioned but I want to say they are respected bands. What's the word on: Destroyer 666 Belphagor Dark Funeral Other than Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir (though people tell me their first album is good), what should I specifically stay away from? I don't know of any other hated BM bands and there's got to be a few. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 10,2008 8:25pm - ZJD ""] Also, anyone want to sendspace any of this stuff? Most of it is pretty hard to find. |
| __________________________________________________ [Jan 10,2008 8:33pm - Humanity‘s Plague Prod. ""] If you're looking for other titles check out our page http://www.myspace.com/humanitysplagueproduction |
| _______________________________ [Jan 10,2008 9:04pm - Troll ""] ZJD said:I've been downloading a lot and loving a bunch of it. There are a few bands I knew about beforehand that have not been mentioned but I want to say they are respected bands. What's the word on: Destroyer 666 Belphagor Dark Funeral seemingly black metal at face value, but they basically all play bad death metal. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 10,2008 9:19pm - CNV ""] Naw, Destroyer 666 has a definate thrash influence and they fuckin rip... Peroid. COLD STEEL FOR AN IRON AGE !!! |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 11,2008 9:31am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Troll said:ZJD said:I've been downloading a lot and loving a bunch of it. There are a few bands I knew about beforehand that have not been mentioned but I want to say they are respected bands. What's the word on: Destroyer 666 Belphagor Dark Funeral seemingly black metal at face value, but they basically all play bad death metal. Keep in mind, there's Belphegor (Aut), and Belfegor (Pol). The Polish band is pretty good, from what I've heard of them. But, yeah, the Austrian one not so much. Edit: And, of course, there's two Belfegors from Poland - I've only heard the recent one, but there was an unrelated band with a demo out in '89. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 11,2008 9:33am - goatcatalyst ""] not a big fan of the Austrian one, myself. cool for about ten minutes, and then my infantile attention span begins to wander towards grimmour pastures. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 11,2008 10:43am - Yeti ""] ZJD said:Dark Funeral Other than Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir (though people tell me their first album is good), what should I specifically stay away from? I don't know of any other hated BM bands and there's got to be a few. just listen to it all man, decide what you like for yourself. lots of people hate Dimmu, i personally love all of their work, but its all based on your own tastes. i love Dimmu, but i loathe Cradle. as for Dark Funeral, i think The Secrets of the Black Arts is insanely good, but everything after it sucks major balls. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 11,2008 11:38am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Yeti said:ZJD said:as for Dark Funeral, i think The Secrets of the Black Arts is insanely good, but everything after it sucks major balls. +1 |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 11,2008 11:41am - goatcatalyst ""] DestroyYouAlot said:Yeti said:ZJD said:as for Dark Funeral, i think The Secrets of the Black Arts is insanely good, but everything after it sucks major balls. +1 +2 and i like the self-titled EP before "Secrets". yup. i do. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 11,2008 12:08pm - goatcatalyst ""] this here dilapidated school might be a good place to start. bet there's all kinds of obscurity and mournful spiritual disrepair to be found [img] |