Why doesn't metal have as much of a subculture mentality as Hardcore, Punk, or Hip-Hop?[views:13385][posts:68]_______________________________________ [Sep 20,2004 7:04pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] It varies from band to band, to say one genre is political is a stupid thing to say. I think for punk it's still considered somewhat of a movement (whether it is not can be debated but I won't get involved) so it's part of that attitude (and I am not saying a political movement). For hardcore it's a community/scene thing, you aren't hardcore enough if you don't attend shows to show off how hardcore you are to everyone else. That doesn't necesarilly mean a fashion show, just the whole community aspect thing - which for some probably does include dressing a certain way. Metal, compared to punk and hardcore, is more just a love for the music. Friendships are made for sure, but it doesn't have the movement attitude of the punk scene or the scene attitude of hardcore. That is those people's social life, for metal not as much, atleast on the same scale. In metal it's just what they listen to for music, as opposed to it defining who they are (again, compared to hardcore and punk). |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 20,2004 7:26pm - armageddonday ""] Thank you Joe, I knew I was stupid, now...you just confirmed my thoughts. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 20,2004 7:28pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] armageddonday said:Thank you Joe, I knew I was stupid, now...you just confirmed my thoughts. No problem frenchie |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 20,2004 7:30pm - the_reverend ""] armageddonday said:Metal is apolitical hardcore/punk is not. "I’d rather died than to live in this fucked world Mr. President I’m not here to do your dirty work Alone, I think I’m fighting a losing battle Worth dying not for oil NO WAR Amerika the brutal" -Amerika the brutal by Six Feet Under |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 20,2004 7:31pm - the_reverend ""] like I said 4 years ago when bush won "well, at least now bands will have something to write songs about." |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 20,2004 7:32pm - the_reverend ""] and don't confuse that with what joenc said, which was seig hiel! [img] |
| __________________________________ [Sep 20,2004 8:36pm - niccolai ""] Like joe said,m it varies from band to band. Remembering never is extreemly political. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 20,2004 9:13pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Why does everyone makes jokes about me being a nazi? [img] |
| __________________________________________________ [Sep 20,2004 11:25pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] yeah there's a big chasm there, though: Nazism = hinted at and somewhat joked about in metal; sometimes imagery and fashion are borrowed Nazism = hated by punks, and hardcore kids; PC people flip out if you joke about it. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 20,2004 11:31pm - WyrmFingerz ""] ExHuMeD4DeAtH said: by americanized idiots i mean the people fully brainwashed by american politics and culture, thoroughly unable to think on their own or form an opinion outside of what theyv been told to think. and yes, that is the majority. these people r not going to listen to extreme metal unless george bush comes out flashing the horns wearing a bound and gagged shirt Heh.. ok.... The reason people don't listen to extreme metal because it's extreme, it's hard to listen to. granted, that may be in part cultural (i find arabic nose flute music really irritating, they don't), however, the entire driving force behind metal is to be "in your face" and abrasive, an aural "fuck you." As to your assumption, being told to like numetal is way cooler than being German and told to like David Hasslehoff. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 20,2004 11:35pm - WyrmFingerz ""] Joe/NotCommon said:Why does everyone makes jokes about me being a nazi? heh heh heh. there ain't much room to help you out withthat one, yowza. |
| __________________________________________________ [Sep 20,2004 11:37pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I think the most presiding question is to why Metal is so solipsistic, or at least independent, and other music is a bit more about community. For instance, tribal music tends to be just that: music from a tribe, for a tribe, and to bring them together. Metal seems to be more about the self, the solo, the nihilistic one. Is that metal's role, or the outcome of the people who end up making it? Like is it nature or nuture? |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 20,2004 11:49pm - WyrmFingerz ""] because most metal allows the virtuostic to show off, it's a lot like classical/traditional musicians- both lead guitarists and violinists are cocky bastards (i say that with love, of course), and granted, most have the right to hold their head high. on this, food for thought- metal is more closely related to "classical" music in terms of arragements, harmonies, the epic-factor. Whereas hardcore is more closely related to the tribal mentality, guitars and bass are chugging the same lines, kick drums match up with the riff, rare soloing, and the aforementioned general community oriented events. Throughout time, European/Western musicians have always been snooty, this is just a modern extension of that. |
| __________________________________________________ [Sep 20,2004 11:51pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] this guy is my new mentor. right on about hardcore having tribal influence...i think I wrote a paper on that or something, it's pretty obvious that modern HC (or at least the HC coming out of the 90's) has a tribal influence in the drumming as the backbone and the percussion / rhythm as the real heart of the music, much like African tribal music. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 20,2004 11:53pm - WyrmFingerz ""] new mentor? pishaw, you flatter! buy my cd and we call it even. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 21,2004 3:02pm - heimdall ""] Metal is metal it is all about the music, not clothes, styles, carss, jewelry, religion, stance on drugs/sex/beer. its the only genre dedicated entirly to music, which is why there is a huge number of musicians in metal because metal gives off such a passion that the fans wnat to make thier own music. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 21,2004 3:15pm - swamplorddvm ""] When ever some dude ("Metal head") sees me wearing a band shirt he nods his head or comments. I do the same because in this crappy country most "Metal heads" are hard to find in public. The only time I ever see a bunch is on mass ave inbetween classes or at shows. Last night at the "we should stick together". Damn fucking right!!! This yammering answered nothing. I'm Sorry. |
| _________________________________________________ [Sep 28,2004 2:42am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Joe NotCommon made a really good point about how self-initiative or doing-it-yourself has become associated with hardcore more than metal...Joe if you see this tomorrwo you should reiterate that. i don't want to misquote you and I thought it was poignant. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 28,2004 10:22am - Joe/NotCommon ""] I think the DIY mentality is why more people go to hardcore and punk shows, and go on time and for the entire show. The individual fan takes more responsibility for the 'scene' in hardcore and punk. Also in indie rock, but thats more of a snootie attitude type of thing. |