Mortgage mess was Clinton's fault[views:4510][posts:70]__________________________________________ [Sep 29,2008 2:42pm - monnster_island ""] i see your point but not sure where you get the 411 ... i remember everyone celebrating Clinton when George sr's fuck show finally ended ... was this the patch you are refering to ?? ... again why couldnt W address the problems ?? ... he dropped the ball |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 29,2008 3:11pm - orgymf@work ""] i get my info from various sources, lots of reading and studying. i find facts and opinions written from points of view of neutral parties, bush supporters, and clinton supporters. i don't know why W couldn't address the problems.... i was NOT defending him. my objective here is not to defend bush, but rather to expose clinton. just go on google and do a little research on the things Bill Clinton fucked up. you will see man. i understand the economy SEEMED great when he was in office....but what he did for the economy was the equivalent of you saying to me "Orgy, i'm gonna make you rich bro" and then mumbling under your breath "for ten years, then you're fucked fat boy!" then giving me a shitload of money that you know as fact will in a decade lose value so quickly that i will owe the banks money. that's why everyone celebrated because no one knew....Clinton sucked as bad as (if not worse than) W....but he just did everything on the downlow |
| _________________________________ [Sep 29,2008 3:20pm - Doomkid ""] Conservationist said: Very true. However, W did go through Yale, didn't he? You can't do that and be completely incompetent. Its called Legacy, if dad/granddad/etc graduated there's not going to be very much put in your way. For a slightly more local example see many of the students at Harvard. |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 29,2008 4:22pm - monnster_island ""] im not defending clinto but i just dont see how he is to blame for failed republican economics ?? ... the proof is in the pudding |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 29,2008 4:51pm - orgymf@work ""] it's not that he is "to blame for republican economics" it's the fact that the things he did to "make the economy better" were quite temporary and artificial, and he KNEW they would lead to an unavoidable economic crash. he, and greenspan are to blame... if you want to understand how, just research it, because there is nothing else i can tell you that has not already been told in this thread |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 29,2008 4:56pm - Conservationist ""] orgymf@work said:but it does baffle me how often he butchers the english language and creates words he may have been smart enough to get through a well respected university...but either he's lost some brain cells, he lacks common sense, and/or he did so much cramming in every other course he studied, that he let basics (like communication) drift away from his brain. http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/ I think that says most of it. He's pandering to the people. And let me say this: If I corrected every grammatical mistake and logical fallacy I saw on this or any other forum, I'd be one really unpopular person. We all like someone we see as being like ourselves. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 29,2008 5:01pm - orgymf@work ""] oh, i know i am awful with grammar, punctuation, etc. but i'm not the president bro. |
| ___________________________________________ [Sep 29,2008 10:22pm - monnster_island ""] hey bro i'm just looking for the overwhelming proof you have that Clinton is to blame for todays economic failure ... it was the Bush administration's responsibilty to identify and fix the problems at hand but they agreed with and bought into Clinton's policies ... under W defense spending became numero uno ... fuck the economy ... ultimately its Bush's monster |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 29,2008 11:44pm - Conservationist ""] orgymf@work said:oh, i know i am awful with grammar, punctuation, etc. but i'm not the president bro. I am not speaking of anyone in particular -- I think people would be surprised how many of the people who seem to have it together in fact are awash in errors ;) |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 30,2008 2:07am - the_reverend ""] how long til this thread is attacked by spam bots? |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 30,2008 9:21am - orgymf@work ""] monnster_island said:hey bro i'm just looking for the overwhelming proof you have that Clinton is to blame for todays economic failure ... go to google video or youtube, and watch every available video they have with ron paul speaking about the federal reserve and arguing with ben bernake. you will get all the info you need about how clinton, greenspan and bernake screwed up the economy. for bush to fix it was somewhere near impossible. first of all, he is a fuck up, and second of all, it was too much. expecting bush to clean up these messes.....it's like handing a retard a swiffer and telling him he has to clean michael jacksons ranch with it. just go watch some of those videos, you still think i'm wrong after that, i will agree to disagree, knowing that one of us is wrong and both of us are stubborn. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 30,2008 9:30am - Conservationist ""] the_reverend said:how long til this thread is attacked by spam bots? That's not a nice way to refer to people in the grips of liberal disinformation. They're human too. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 30,2008 9:52am - orgymf@work ""] Conservationist said: the_reverend said:how long til this thread is attacked by spam bots? That's not a nice way to refer to people in the grips of liberal disinformation. They're human too. -l- hahahaha!!! |
| ___________________________________________ [Sep 30,2008 10:51am - monnster_island ""] the only thing i am disagreeing with you on is that Bush / administration couldnt fix it ... thats a republican cop out |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 30,2008 12:19pm - orgymf@work ""] but i am not a right winger. and i am no a bush fan. i don't think it's a copout at all. like i said, i think you need to research the situation to understand exactly how far gone things are, and how this was set in motion, to understand that - no matter who was in office - the president could not fix it. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 30,2008 1:03pm - Conservationist ""] Yeah. I mean, you inherit a presidency -- if you try to undo everything your predecessor did, you'll never get anything done AND you will have Congress in arms against you. So you try to pick what will blow up first and fix that. |
| ______________________________ [Sep 30,2008 2:51pm - PTO ""] Why write here when you can make a change and be on a board or something? |
| ________________________________________ [Oct 1,2008 10:52am - monster_island ""] Orgy ... for the record i am a fan of Ronnie P ... have been for sometime ... i wish his name was on a ballot next month ... ... ok let me try this ... i am looking for YOUR opinion on why Clinton is to blame ... again i dont support any of these turds ... |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 1,2008 11:07am - orgymf@work ""] Ron Paul is the man. you know you can write him in bro. -l- anyways bro, it's not my opinion, it's what my research has shown me. Clinton did his best to avoid trouble in the middle east, but some leaders over there took his complete lack of communication as ignorance.... and when he did speak to them, he somehow managed to upset them. he did alot to fuck up relations with middle eastern nations (which helped build up to 9/11, which built up to the war, which led to wayy to much money being spent on causing trouble in iraq, which led to economic trouble.) that's first problem (there is more detail to the whole "trouble bill caused over there" situation....but i don't have the time or patience to go through it all) the second is, he artificially inflated the value of the dollar, by artificially lowering interest rates in national banks and the federal reserve (i may be explaining this wrong....conservationist? help me if i fuck up my wording here)...which leads to unavoidable economic inflation, and a weak dollar. no one could have fixed this |
| _________________________________________ [Oct 1,2008 11:55am - Conservationist ""] orgymf@work said:(Clinton) artificially inflated the value of the dollar, by artificially lowering interest rates in national banks and the federal reserve...which leads to unavoidable economic inflation, and a weak dollar. That's the gist of it, I think. He lowered interest rates and raised socialized costs, which had the effect of sort of squirting business forward between two obstacles, but created an overvalued economy. Then he totally ignored how the dot-com boom was inflating that further. Here's a solid article: Former President Reagan's policies began the long bull market in stocks and bonds by creating millions of new jobs while curtailing inflation. Falling inflation and economic expansion are ideal conditions for financial markets. Former President Bush's 1990 tax increase kept the bull market going by causing an economic slowdown. The demand for credit fell with economic activity, and lower interest rates fueled further rises in bond and stock prices. What will be the impact of President Clinton's policies? His punitive tax policy toward those in the highest income brackets will tend to retard the economy and prolong the slowdown. Interest rates could fall further, pushing stock and bond prices still higher. On the other hand, Clinton's health plan would raise employment costs, thus increasing inflation. Regulations pouring out of the federal bureaucracy also would drive up business costs. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_/ai_14651271 I like it because it contrasts the difference between conservative and liberal economic policies. I am voting for Ron Paul, but am convinced that libertarianism like socialism needs moderation or it becomes an insane religion. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 1,2008 1:19pm - orgymf@work ""] Conservationist said: libertarianism like socialism needs moderation or it becomes an insane religion. i agree....but i view ron paul as the definitive defender of the constitution and what republicans were always supposed to be rather than libertarian.....even though alot of his supporters are very libertarian. anyway, thank you for clarifying (aka translating from my retard speak to a more intelligently worded explaination) |