On Broken Wings beaten down in VA[views:25894][posts:82]___________________________________ [May 4,2006 4:43pm - BornSoVile ""] http://www.smnnews.com/index.php?subaction...6644207&archive=&start_from=&ucat=& SMNNEW's just don't give a fuck! |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2006 4:45pm - BornSoVile ""] I found the video but it was already removed from youtube. |
| _________________________________ [May 4,2006 5:02pm - niccolai ""] more info + video would be golden. |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2006 5:06pm - BornSoVile ""] http://www.artinheart.org/talktake3/viewtopic.php?t=27206 - all your locals talking about it, apparently the singer said the wrong thing to someone on stage. |
| ____________________________________ [May 4,2006 5:06pm - EAB_Booking ""] Go check out www.bridge9.com/forum There's like a 15 page thread all about this if you wanna know whats up |
| ____________________________________ [May 4,2006 5:07pm - Josh_Martin ""] Reading through that thread was kind of interesting. It seems like there's going to be a return to the early 80's, before the crossover, back when hardcore and metal were mortal enemies. I think this is a good thing. Altough the original crossover scene was fucking awesome, look what it eventually turned into. Today's metal is about 95% gay and today's hardcore, except for the fastcore style which is so deep in the underground only the most rabid fans even know about those bands, is completely awful. A separation of the scenes can be nothing but good. If a few people get the shit kicked out of them in the process, well, that's just unavoidable collateral damage. |
| _____________________________________ [May 4,2006 5:11pm - the_reverend ""] http://www.bridge9.com/forum josh martin, why? this is the first generation who grew up thinking metal/hardcore was korn before they found slayer. |
| _____________________________________ [May 4,2006 5:13pm - the_reverend ""] oh and I would have to see the video. jonathan (the lead singer) is like a 3rd degree blackbelt and I've seen videos of him laying people out with one strike. |
| ____________________________________ [May 4,2006 5:20pm - Josh_Martin ""] All I know is, when "crossover" became "metalcore" everything got wicked gay. Like I said, the original crossover bands ruled. But each generation since the originals has gotten worse and worse. Not to mention the fans themselves get gayer and gayer. |
| _________________________________ [May 4,2006 5:21pm - niccolai ""] This is Blake (the singer's) statement: Backstory: 7fight7 is a crew, and had old beef with me from around 2 years ago when I beat up some nerd at an Integrity show in VA. Also, they have previous issues with a good friend of mine on tour with us from an incident a few weeks ago with BMH. I don't question the statments that 7fight7 is not a real crew or in any way a joke, I do however, believe that the people who attend shows in VA Beach believe otherwise, and if not, have spent a good deal of money printing up very serious windbreaker jackets with very serious brass knuckle logos (to show how much buiness they mean) displaying 7 fight 7 all the crap over them. I mean, I did laugh at them, so I guess I get the punchline... Maybe it was an expensive joke? So in anycase, we (OBW) are playing, totally rocking sweet riffs, we're chugging, were sludging, we're pulling wild riffs out of the complete air and just totally making kids get siq. Dude on tour with us is doing mosh pitting. Which for him more or less constitutes shoving kids over who are close to him. Nobody getting shoved seamed to mind, including females and smaller patrons. One 30 year old man named Timmy in a 17 yr olds body was apparently really upset about not being able to cover his ginger hair with his sassy JLo circa 2004 hat, and decided he was however, offened by the outsiders shoving. After watching said "Timmy" try to mosh pit on my friend I made the announcment "Don't touch that kid." Timmy gave me a sour puss. Later on in our completely rediculous set of pitting a riffing, I followed up some ignorant mosh call that probably didn't even make sence with "The kid in boston hat can do whatever he wants", no mention of him being able to do whatever he wanted BECAUSE he is from boston was made. However, that also would have been a true statment because VA Beach is not even real. Following my new comment, Timbo decided to come on stage and tryed to talk or move his mouth at me or something that didn't catch my fancy, so I open hand slapped him. The stage was rushed, fighting lasted longer than usuall, stopped and started up a few times. Nobody on either side is seriously hurt. Homeboy from the mosh pit who the troubled and emotionally insecure VA kids originally didn't like got stomped a little, other than that, were all fine. They (unfortunatly) all walked away, we all walked away. Cops show up people obviously start splitting. Our drummer, Kevin, was the one hitting people with drum hardware and in no way sat around, was also the one trying to fight while SOMEONE told the cops how mean we were being. Now Kevin, he's not the smartest guy, but sit around and watch his friends get beat up he does not. Nobody in OBW or from Boston talked to police or said anything besides it was an accident, that our roadie "fell", "walked into a wall", is "accident prone", and that we had to go take new myspace pictures and couldn't really chat. My teeth are all in my face still, nobodys bones were broken, nobody was even bleeding besides the guy who got stomped out and he walked away laughing. I mean, it sucks you guys have probably prevented him from getting laid by any nu metal Kittie fans this tour, but who knows... Blind chicks dig Kittie too. The show did not get shut down cause anyone was dead or had to go to the hospital (there were not any ambulances there), the show got shut down cause some VA dudes thought it was a great idea to theft the clubs mics, and accourding to the owner, 7fight7 has allready had the cops called on the club before. That's pretty much it. I mean, we definatly didn't WIN the fight... But I don't get beat up, especially by dudes who live in towns where you can be arrested for swearing on the street and ticketed for sagging your pants. (I'm not sure if that's his real statement, but someone posted it). Jonathan is a pretty tough kid. I saw him man handle a bouncer twice his size a long ass time ago at an evergreen terrace show. I probably wouldn't have taken a swing at him if I was that dude. |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2006 5:28pm - BornSoVile ""] i'm not gonna criticize hardcore or the fans, but with all the fighting around the country, it's almost like it's the a bigger threat than hip hop now, kinda cool. |
| _______________________________ [May 4,2006 5:41pm - Jason_ ""] We're not a threat. We just don't take shit. |
| _____________________________________ [May 4,2006 5:47pm - the_reverend ""] niccolai, that sounds like mr. jonathan blake. I'm sure he could had most people their asses. I forget who else is in OBW, but I know that the drummer shot a nailgun through his hand and still played 2 sets the next day. Josh: nothing is gayer than: [img] [img] [img] "metalcore", "melodic hardcore", "whatever" has some decent bands, song parts and there are a lot of bands out there that are crossing over with noise and spacerock which are cool. the powermetal-core and opeth-core bands are interesting this year (like last year's put a sabbath/stoner riff in it!). eh, you find what you want in it. |
| _____________________________ [May 4,2006 5:48pm - nick ""] MOSH CAAAALL. |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2006 5:49pm - BornSoVile ""] the world needs more sheer terror, that's all i know. |
| _____________________________ [May 4,2006 5:50pm - kok ""] I need to join a HC band! |
| ____________________________________________ [May 4,2006 5:56pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] BornSoVile said:the world needs more sheer terror, that's all i know. i second that. |
| _______________________________ [May 4,2006 5:57pm - Jason_ ""] Sheer Terror was a great band, so was/is Sick Of It All. I will be the first to openly admit the "core" term is now being overused. But it's all pretty good. |
| _____________________________________ [May 4,2006 6:00pm - the_reverend ""] don't make me pull the sheer terror killer, college boy... |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2006 6:02pm - BornSoVile ""] i don't give a fuck about your skinhead pride |
| ____________________________________________ [May 4,2006 6:05pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] i thoroughly enjoy the singer's thoughts on squatters on the live disc they released. fucking hilarious "get a job you fuckin' leeches" hahahha |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2006 6:09pm - anonymous ""] kok said:I need to join a HC band! know three chords some harmonics and how to do the "2step" beat and tell people to "fuck this place up" and your in |
| _________________________________ [May 4,2006 6:15pm - niccolai ""] the_reverend said:niccolai, that sounds like mr. jonathan blake. I'm sure he could had most people their asses. I forget who else is in OBW, but I know that the drummer shot a nailgun through his hand and still played 2 sets the next day. Josh: nothing is gayer than: [img] [img] [img] "metalcore", "melodic hardcore", "whatever" has some decent bands, song parts and there are a lot of bands out there that are crossing over with noise and spacerock which are cool. the powermetal-core and opeth-core bands are interesting this year (like last year's put a sabbath/stoner riff in it!). eh, you find what you want in it. The drummer's name is Kevin. He also drums for the confrontation. I don't know the guitarists/bassist. I knew the guitarist/bassist before they were replaced with new kids, wich all seem like cool guys to me. The one of the guitarists and bassist is in the confrontation. |
| _______________________________ [May 4,2006 6:15pm - Jason_ ""] There's more to it than that. Sure hardcore music may be simple. But there is a lot more to it than just the music. It's the life you lead. The way you were brought up. You're friends.. You're family... All of these are factored into hardcore music. Making hardcore, well.. Hardcore... |
| _____________________________________ [May 4,2006 6:21pm - the_reverend ""] let me quess... what you have in your heart you'll take to your grave? |
| ____________________________________ [May 4,2006 6:28pm - thedeparted ""] the_reverend said:let me quess... what you have in your heart you'll take to your grave? haha |
| _______________________________ [May 4,2006 6:29pm - Jason_ ""] Ha. |
| _____________________________________ [May 4,2006 6:36pm - weymouthdoug ""] Jason_ said:There's more to it than that. Sure hardcore music may be simple. But there is a lot more to it than just the music. It's the life you lead. The way you were brought up. You're friends.. You're family... All of these are factored into hardcore music. Making hardcore, well.. Hardcore... face it. you wish you were black |
| _______________________________ [May 4,2006 6:40pm - Jason_ ""] Ah... I honestly don't... |
| ______________________________________ [May 4,2006 6:51pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Jason_ said:Ah... I honestly don't... Did you just call weymouth doug a liar? you are a dead man!:nuke: |
| ____________________________________ [May 4,2006 6:57pm - Sacreligion ""] ahhh hardcore kids |
| _______________________________ [May 4,2006 7:01pm - Jason_ ""] Haha, well.. Maybe I wish I were black from the waist down.. But then again.. What man doesn't... |
| _____________________________________ [May 4,2006 7:26pm - weymouthdoug ""] Jason_ said:Haha, well.. Maybe I wish I were black from the waist down.. But then again.. What man doesn't... a pathetic man who believes the hype, babydick |
| ___________________________________________ [May 4,2006 10:59pm - Jared_The_Zompire ""] weymouthdoug said:Jason_ said:Haha, well.. Maybe I wish I were black from the waist down.. But then again.. What man doesn't... a pathetic man who believes the hype, babydick BAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAHAAHHA! |
| _____________________________________________ [May 4,2006 11:14pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] How does that blonde girl have no breasts in the first two shots but then suddenly grew them for the third? OBW sucks. |
| _____________________________________________ [May 4,2006 11:18pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] and how does that dude look more like a girl than the girl does? stop confusing people!!! |
| __________________________________________ [May 4,2006 11:35pm - davefromthegrave ""] Jason_ said:There's more to it than that. Sure hardcore music may be simple. But there is a lot more to it than just the music. It's the life you lead. The way you were brought up. You're friends.. You're family... All of these are factored into hardcore music. Making hardcore, well.. Hardcore... awwww.....that is so special [img] |
| __________________________________________ [May 4,2006 11:40pm - davefromthegrave ""] DrinkHardThrashHard said:How does that blonde girl have no breasts in the first two shots but then suddenly grew them for the third? the femininity of the two black haired girls rubbed off on her. |
| ________________________________ [May 5,2006 12:12am - Jason_ ""] Ha. I honestly don't care what goes on with people saying harsh things about OBW. I love em. That's how I feel about it. Just like people saying Black My Heart is emo because of their lyrics. But they completely disregard Bury Your Dead. |
| _____________________________________________ [May 5,2006 12:16am - MarkFuckingRichards ""] black my heart aren't emo. they're just terrible. |
| __________________________________ [May 5,2006 12:22am - brian_dc ""] DrinkHardThrashHard said:How does that blonde girl have no breasts in the first two shots but then suddenly grew them for the third? OBW sucks. definitely a different girl in the last pic. look at the arms if you aren't convinced. |
| _____________________________________________ [May 5,2006 12:31am - MarkFuckingRichards ""] i'm lookin at the arms, but i'm not seeing a difference. maybe she's just wearing one of those bras with the water "implants" in them? |
| _______________________________ [May 5,2006 1:55am - Jason_ ""] MarkFuckingRichards said:black my heart aren't emo. they're just terrible. Haha, you have you're opinion. I have mine. |
| _________________________________________ [May 5,2006 1:57am - davefromthegrave ""] you're a high school dropout. get fucked. |
| _________________________________________ [May 5,2006 2:01am - davefromthegrave ""] A little story I wrote... He was always a good boy growing up. He always got good grades, And never once was in a fight. He would always get gold stars on his work in school. He was always your best friend. He was always there until the very end. Then one night the he heard daddy hitting mommy. He refused to believe it. He just blocked it out. The one night it got really bad. Daddy killed mommy. The little boy was so sad. But the little boy had become a man. He worked a nine to five. He had a family of his own. But the man was still a little boy. Depression ate him away inside. And he told no one. So he decided he didn't want to exist. He cut his wrists. And put two golden stars on the bathroom door. And in a note later found, All he asked is; "Mommy... Daddy... Are you proud now? Am I still you're golden boy?" maybe you should get this published in emofag monthly |
| _______________________________ [May 5,2006 2:08am - Jason_ ""] Ha, what's with the personal attack dude? That's kind of weak... I have a justified reason for dropping out of high school. I didn't do it because I wanted to be cool. I did it because I needed to. Which is really none of your business. And as for the story I wrote... Say what you please. I don't have a problem with expressing my emotions. |
| ____________________________________ [May 5,2006 2:10am - Sacreligion ""] oh man is that prepositional phrase? |
| ____________________________________________ [May 5,2006 2:18am - MarkFuckingRichards ""] Jason_ said:MarkFuckingRichards said:black my heart aren't emo. they're just terrible. Haha, you have you're opinion. I have mine. precisely |
| _______________________________ [May 5,2006 2:21am - Jason_ ""] Hey, as long as we can all have our own opinions and not force ours upon others, everything is awesome. What do you think of Champion and xLooking Forwardx? |
| ____________________________________________ [May 5,2006 2:22am - MarkFuckingRichards ""] i enjoy champion. my last band played a show with looking forward; it was the only time i heard them. nothing amazing, but it was pretty good. |
| ____________________________________ [May 5,2006 2:23am - Sacreligion ""] do what i say or i'll hurt you! sorry...possessed by a christian for a second...sorry |
| _______________________________ [May 5,2006 2:24am - Jason_ ""] Haha, yeah, xLFx isn't all that amazing. But I'm more into Champion. Pissed they're breaking up. Playing their last show this month in Seattle. All the way across the damn state. |
| _________________________________________ [May 5,2006 8:04am - TheGreatSpaldino ""] the_reverend said:niccolai, that sounds like mr. jonathan blake. I'm sure he could had most people their asses. I forget who else is in OBW, but I know that the drummer shot a nailgun through his hand and still played 2 sets the next day. Josh: nothing is gayer than: [img] [img] [img] "metalcore", "melodic hardcore", "whatever" has some decent bands, song parts and there are a lot of bands out there that are crossing over with noise and spacerock which are cool. the powermetal-core and opeth-core bands are interesting this year (like last year's put a sabbath/stoner riff in it!). eh, you find what you want in it. people that look like this really exist or is that a joke... i really do hope it is a joke =( |
| __________________________________________________ [May 5,2006 8:14am - babyshaker not logged in ""] this shit is stupid i'm not even gonna read the thread and i can tell you what happend......some kids in some lame ass moshcore band who think they know all about real hardcore got into a fight and probably stopped harder music from ever being booked at the venue again. what happend when hardcore was punk and not a bunch of mindless chugging. |
| ________________________________________ [May 5,2006 11:43am - XmikeX @ work ""] i remember when a fight at a show meant someone DID leave in an ambulence. |
| _____________________________________________ [May 5,2006 12:09pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] back in my day, you had to earn that ambulance |
| _______________________________________ [May 5,2006 1:05pm - xmikex @ work ""] MarkFuckingRichards said:back in my day, you had to earn that ambulance HAHAHAHA |
| _______________________________________ [May 5,2006 1:16pm - xmikex @ work ""] Josh_Martin said:Reading through that thread was kind of interesting. It seems like there's going to be a return to the early 80's, before the crossover, back when hardcore and metal were mortal enemies. I think this is a good thing. Altough the original crossover scene was fucking awesome, look what it eventually turned into. Today's metal is about 95% gay and today's hardcore, except for the fastcore style which is so deep in the underground only the most rabid fans even know about those bands, is completely awful. A separation of the scenes can be nothing but good. If a few people get the shit kicked out of them in the process, well, that's just unavoidable collateral damage. While this could potentially happen I think you've ignored the recent trend of "hardcore" kids pretending to like death metal bands. It's the cool thing now for your band to sound like Ten Yard Fight, and to claim Cryptopsy as your main influence. Just like it was the cool thing 2 years ago to goto hardcore shows in brand new Iron Maiden, and Manowar shirts. Oh, and don't forget the sideways baseball cap. |
| _______________________________ [May 5,2006 1:50pm - Jason_ ""] xmikex @ work said:Josh_Martin said:Reading through that thread was kind of interesting. It seems like there's going to be a return to the early 80's, before the crossover, back when hardcore and metal were mortal enemies. I think this is a good thing. Altough the original crossover scene was fucking awesome, look what it eventually turned into. Today's metal is about 95% gay and today's hardcore, except for the fastcore style which is so deep in the underground only the most rabid fans even know about those bands, is completely awful. A separation of the scenes can be nothing but good. If a few people get the shit kicked out of them in the process, well, that's just unavoidable collateral damage. While this could potentially happen I think you've ignored the recent trend of "hardcore" kids pretending to like death metal bands. It's the cool thing now for your band to sound like Ten Yard Fight, and to claim Cryptopsy as your main influence. Just like it was the cool thing 2 years ago to goto hardcore shows in brand new Iron Maiden, and Manowar shirts. Oh, and don't forget the sideways baseball cap. Ha. |
| _____________________________________ [May 5,2006 3:48pm - weymouthdoug ""] weymouthdoug said:Jason_ said:Haha, well.. Maybe I wish I were black from the waist down.. But then again.. What man doesn't... a pathetic man who believes the hype, babydick checkmate! |
| _________________________________________ [May 5,2006 3:48pm - davefromthegrave ""] you can have a black cock if you want. All you have to do is contract gonohrea |
| ____________________________ [May 5,2006 3:49pm - pam ""] AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH |
| ____________________________ [May 5,2006 3:51pm - pam ""] While this could potentially happen I think you've ignored the recent trend of "hardcore" kids pretending to like death metal bands. It's the cool thing now for your band to sound like Ten Yard Fight, and to claim Cryptopsy as your main influence. Just like it was the cool thing 2 years ago to goto hardcore shows in brand new Iron Maiden, and Manowar shirts. Oh, and don't forget the sideways baseball cap. Don't forget the neatly folded bandana hanging out of the back pocket of your size 2 pencil cut girl jeans. |
| _______________________________ [May 5,2006 3:54pm - Jason_ ""] pam said: While this could potentially happen I think you've ignored the recent trend of "hardcore" kids pretending to like death metal bands. It's the cool thing now for your band to sound like Ten Yard Fight, and to claim Cryptopsy as your main influence. Just like it was the cool thing 2 years ago to goto hardcore shows in brand new Iron Maiden, and Manowar shirts. Oh, and don't forget the sideways baseball cap. Don't forget the neatly folded bandana hanging out of the back pocket of your size 2 pencil cut girl jeans. Ha, I rock the bandanna. But the girls pants are not too appealing to me... |
| ____________________________ [May 5,2006 3:56pm - pam ""] Jason_ said:pam said: While this could potentially happen I think you've ignored the recent trend of "hardcore" kids pretending to like death metal bands. It's the cool thing now for your band to sound like Ten Yard Fight, and to claim Cryptopsy as your main influence. Just like it was the cool thing 2 years ago to goto hardcore shows in brand new Iron Maiden, and Manowar shirts. Oh, and don't forget the sideways baseball cap. Don't forget the neatly folded bandana hanging out of the back pocket of your size 2 pencil cut girl jeans. Ha, I rock the bandanna. But the girls pants are not too appealing to me... Why? I honestly, really, want to know what the point of that is. |
| ____________________________________________ [May 5,2006 4:05pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] sometimes i use a bandana, but only to sop up my sweat because i'm a hairy italian. |
| ____________________________ [May 5,2006 4:06pm - pam ""] I see that. I don't see the cute little trend of folding it nice and neat and leaving it in your back pocket. That is stupid. |
| ____________________________________________ [May 5,2006 4:08pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] i hear ya...i should probably have one big cute bandana in my back pocket to take care of swass. hahaha |
| _______________________________ [May 5,2006 4:13pm - Jason_ ""] Haha, I usually out it around my head when I play a show, or when I'm out skating. Thats the reason it resides in my back pocket. |
| ____________________________________ [May 5,2006 4:21pm - Sacreligion ""] so you look extra hardcore when playing or skating? |
| ____________________________________ [May 5,2006 4:23pm - Sacreligion ""] oh...and SCREW YOU AARON! "remember: today will turn for the worse" damn nihilists |
| _______________________________ [May 5,2006 4:24pm - Jason_ ""] Ha, no. I have long hair. So when I get sweaty, and my hair gets in my eyes, it kills. |
| ____________________________________ [May 5,2006 4:26pm - Sacreligion ""] so does your hair make you more hardcore? im not being remotely serious...by the way |
| ________________________________________ [May 5,2006 4:27pm - GoatOfCatalyst ""] Look at that fucking slob. Broads like that make my pee pee SAD. |
| _________________________________________ [May 5,2006 4:28pm - davefromthegrave ""] GoatOfCatalyst said:Look at that fucking slob. Broads like that make my pee pee SAD. you mean that mannequin that they made up to look almost like a human being? |
| _________________________________ [May 5,2006 4:33pm - niccolai ""] MarkFuckingRichards said: i'm a hairy italian. It's about time you figured out what's what. |
| ________________________________________ [May 5,2006 5:37pm - seprentrainbow ""] Some people just have the bandana to look super cool. I have one for when i see people i dont like i wrap it around my face and fucking beat the shit out of them. It's like a mask. |
| ___________________________________ [May 7,2006 2:09pm - anonymous ""] OBW got fucked up.... thats cool n stuff |
| ____________________________ [May 7,2006 2:27pm - pam ""] I refuse to believe that all those scene kids I saw at the schmetalfest use their bandanas for anything. |
| __________________________________ [May 7,2006 2:36pm - dreadkill ""] pam said:I see that. I don't see the cute little trend of folding it nice and neat and leaving it in your back pocket. That is stupid. ha, i saw someone with a neatly folded bandana in the back pocket the other night. |
| ___________________________________ [May 7,2006 3:59pm - anonymous ""] so essentially this thread is ME DEATH METAL ME HATE HARDCORE. BUT ME LIKE OLD HARDCORE BECAUSE IT OLD. get a clue listen to devourment and death threat at the same time herbs |
| ___________________________________ [May 7,2006 4:40pm - anonymous ""] anonymous said:so essentially this thread is ME DEATH METAL ME HATE HARDCORE. BUT ME LIKE OLD HARDCORE BECAUSE IT OLD. get a clue listen to devourment and death threat at the same time herbs HAAHAHAHAHAA!!! Brilliant!! Check Fucking Mate, assholes!!! |
| _______________________________________ [May 9,2006 9:12am - Dissector NLI ""] Josh_Martin said:All I know is, when "crossover" became "metalcore" everything got wicked gay. Like I said, the original crossover bands ruled. But each generation since the originals has gotten worse and worse. Not to mention the fans themselves get gayer and gayer. Yeah, seriously what ever happened to the true Crossover? It seemed like there were only a handful of bands and the genre didn't last long at all. |