does anyone know what band was the first to use blast beats?[views:6752][posts:82]_____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:25pm - Yeti ""] i'm curious to know the band that recorded the very first blast beat. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:25pm - dreadkill ""] me |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:26pm - W3 nli ""] my band, we did it first everyone else is lying. it was so us, shut up shut up shut up we did, we built this city on rock and roll |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:26pm - moran ""] Bee Gees |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:26pm - Yeti ""] those are some helpful, quality responses. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:28pm - JDDomination ""] probably Sabbath, they did everything first, also who did the first true black metal scream? I'm going with Paul McCartney on one of the Beatles songs, or Roger Waters on some of the old Pink Floyd records(pre-Dark Side). |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:28pm - W3 nli ""] i threw out a jefferson spaceship response thats gotta be worth something. where the fuck is my medal and cookie.....what the fuck you all are slackers. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:29pm - W3 nli ""] JDDomination said:probably Sabbath, they did everything first, also who did the first true black metal scream? I'm going with Paul McCartney on one of the Beatles songs, or Roger Waters on some of the old Pink Floyd records(pre-Dark Side). funny you say that cause they do do the first inhales on one of the pink floyd records i think it was ummagumma. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:31pm - the_reverend ""] Albert Ayler's "Holy Ghost" on Live In Greenwich Village (1966) |
| _______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:38pm - Gibbs ""] the_reverend said:Albert Ayler's "Holy Ghost" on Live In Greenwich Village (1966) Thats a good call....i dont know for sure but something along the lines of Albert Ayler or Buddy Rich would sounds accurate |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:39pm - Lamp ""] The first recorded blast beat in any type of extreme music song was D.R.I.'s No Sense, but I've heard jazz musicians started using it in the 50s. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:45pm - aaron_michael ""] legit, I know it was a jazz band. for the life of me, I can't think of the name at the moment, and I doubt google-ing "blast beat" will tell me. |
| ____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:21pm - mOe ""] hmm...Raising Kubrick? |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:28pm - the_reverend ""] don't google, wiki |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:34pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] I would go with Uriah Heep or Pink Floyd with the black metal type scream. And as for the blast beats, I'm sure plenty of jazz dudes used blast beats in the fifties but i think the question concerns its use in the context of death metal and such. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:34pm - LongDeadGodnli ""] im not sure, but ive read interviews with charlie benante who played a blast on milk by s.o.d. back in '85 say d.r.i did the first blast. but i haven't found any other evidence of this and am not to familiar with d.r.i.'s stuff |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:38pm - Anthony nli ""] According to the liner notes on the first (non-Relapse) Piece of Time reissue, Atheist were the first to use a blast in death metal. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:40pm - W3 nli ""] anthony i dont know if youre big into vinyl but theres a record store down here that has Atheist discography on vinyl, plus another i wanted to tell you but im stoned/overtired so i forget. fuck you motherfucker. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:47pm - retzam ""] As far as black metal screams, I'm pretty sure everyone's right on target with Pink Floyd. Roger Waters did very "black metal-esque" inhale screams in live performances of the song "Careful With That Axe Eugene", which I don't think was ever recorded in a studio, but which many live versions exist of, the first released one being on Umma Gumma in 1969. As for blast beats, I have no clue, but I'd be very interested to know this, especially if it involves jazz, simply because that would definitely be a curveball, haha. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:52pm - fishcakes ""] I was wachin the song remains the same the other nite and john bonham did some shit like that live. as for the first recording of blasting, I gotta go with napalm death. that was my first time ever hearing blast beats, and I was hooked! end of story... |
| ____________________________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:55pm - the illustrious silketh von supper ""] d.r.i. was the first with the song, "no sense"(1983), although they've been used by jazz players for years |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:04pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] D.R.I. and REPULSION were the early ones. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:07pm - c.DEAD ""] As far as the real blast beat, and i mean not fucking fills jazz dorks did in the early 20th century, probably Protes Bengt (Mob 47 side band) and Siege. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:13pm - W3 nli ""] retzam said:As far as black metal screams, I'm pretty sure everyone's right on target with Pink Floyd. Roger Waters did very "black metal-esque" inhale screams in live performances of the song "Careful With That Axe Eugene", which I don't think was ever recorded in a studio, but which many live versions exist of, the first released one being on Umma Gumma in 1969. UmmaGumma came out in 69 and then pretty much the studio version of that album came out in 71. im assuming when they stopped touring. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:17pm - Yeti ""] i know Sarcofago did them a long time ago, a very early and primitive version. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:20pm - Lamp ""] LongDeadGodnli said:im not sure, but ive read interviews with charlie benante who played a blast on milk by s.o.d. back in '85 say d.r.i did the first blast. but i haven't found any other evidence of this and am not to familiar with d.r.i.'s stuff D.R.I. did it in one song in 83, Repulsion started in 84 and them doing a blast beat was a complete accident. c.DEAD said:As far as the real blast beat, and i mean not fucking fills jazz dorks did in the early 20th century, probably Protes Bengt (Mob 47 side band) and Siege. I still haven't been able to find any Protes Bengt yet so I can't confirm that but I don't think Siege really played it at a high enough tempo to consider it a blast beat. They probably fit better in the same category as the Neos, Deep Wound, Larm, etc. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:26pm - reverend_cziska ""] I'll say Siege. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:27pm - reverend_cziska ""] Oh, beat me to the punch. |
| ________________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:30pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] There are people that say Deep Wound <shrugs> |
| _____________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:33pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] It's funny how there are two separate threads going on in this one. On one level you have people who are like, "Yeah jazz musicians did it first, let's talk about them." While everyone else is talking about D.R.I. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:34pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] i'm gonna have to check out some of these bands |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:36pm - W3 nli ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:It's funny how there are two separate threads going on in this one. On one level you have people who are like, "Yeah jazz musicians did it first, let's talk about them." While everyone else is talking about D.R.I. hey what about Pink Floyd dood |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:45pm - Lamp ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:There are people that say Deep Wound <shrugs> Also not fast enough, imo. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 4:50pm - Troll ""] Siege |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 4:50pm - Eddie ""] sod |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 4:54pm - Troll ""] if you mean S.O.D ....Your off by years! I would say its a split between D.R.I and Siege but, then again its hard to say....The Blast Beat definitely has its roots in Hardcore Punk. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 4:57pm - handinjury ""] Eddie said:sod Bingo! Charlie Benante was the 1st. He used the "grind blast" alternating 16th notes between kick and snare. There deff was jazz dudes blasting back in the 50's. Same thing with the "gravity blast"(stupid name, should be called a fullcrum blast or rim roll blast when you think about it.) jazz duders used this back in the day also. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 4:59pm - handinjury ""] Troll said:if you mean S.O.D ....Your off by years! I would say its a split between D.R.I and Siege but, then again its hard to say....The Blast Beat definitely has its roots in Hardcore Punk. No way, not years maybe 1 yr the most. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 4:59pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] Wrong. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:00pm - Troll ""] Funny, Wikipedia(which is not the solid facts) makes no mention of Siege. I think someone needs to re-edit that shit! Hmmmm? Beastie Boys? It's possible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_beat |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:02pm - Troll ""] handinjury said:Troll said:if you mean S.O.D ....Your off by years! I would say its a split between D.R.I and Siege but, then again its hard to say....The Blast Beat definitely has its roots in Hardcore Punk. No way, not years maybe 1 yr the most. Ok, depends which SOD we're talkin' about. The Metal Band or the old HC Punk? |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:11pm - Troll ""] handinjury said:Eddie said:sod Bingo! Charlie Benante was the 1st. He used the "grind blast" alternating 16th notes between kick and snare. Thats great dude but, check your dates. We're talking about the first to use the Blast technique. Seige was blasting in 83' 84' I believe(can't find my Seige demo cassette) S.O.D.(Billy Milano and co.) is like 88' 89'. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:15pm - Lamp ""] Speak English or Die came out in 85, D.R.I. did it in 83. I don't understand how you guys think Siege played fast enough to consider that a blast beat. I think a blast beat has just as much to do with the tempo as the pattern. And if Sound of Disaster had blast beats in their songs, I need to check these guys out. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:19pm - handinjury ""] Okay, I am unfamiler with "seige" are they from CA? (A blast starts a 180bpm, just so we are all on the same page.) I am assuming 84'ish on that DRI track. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:20pm - Troll ""] Lamp said:Speak English or Die came out in 85 No shit? My bad.... I didn't start listening to it till about 89'. That is a pretty impressive album for the time. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:23pm - Lamp ""] handinjury said:Okay, I am unfamiler with "seige" are they from CA? (A blast starts a 180bpm, just so we are all on the same page.) I am assuming 84'ish on that DRI track. Dirty Rotten LP was 1983. Siege was from this very area, Massachusetts. Do yourself a favor and go get a copy of Drop Dead in some way some how, it is vicious for its time. I think it was 84. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:24pm - Troll ""] .....and it definitely had a blast beat or two (If memory serves me right) |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:27pm - Troll ""] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_(band) kinda interesting read |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:31pm - Lamp ""] Man, I would have loved to go to that Living Room show, too bad I wasn't born until like three years after it happened, haha. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:56pm - dyingmuse ""] I think it was Anthrax, they did a serious one in the 80's Can't remember the album. There may be more bands that I don't know, but for my memory they did it first. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 6:09pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] D.R.I. and REPULSION were the early ones. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 6:20pm - Lamp ""] There's actually a really good article about the origins of grindcore in the newest issue of Short, Fast, and Loud that credits Repulsion as the originators of grind and says Siege was hardcore. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 6:56pm - retzam ""] W3 nli said:retzam said:As far as black metal screams, I'm pretty sure everyone's right on target with Pink Floyd. Roger Waters did very "black metal-esque" inhale screams in live performances of the song "Careful With That Axe Eugene", which I don't think was ever recorded in a studio, but which many live versions exist of, the first released one being on Umma Gumma in 1969. UmmaGumma came out in 69 and then pretty much the studio version of that album came out in 71. im assuming when they stopped touring. No, Ummagumma was a double album, one disc is live: 1. Astronomy Domine 2. Careful with That Axe, Eugene 3. Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun 4. A Saucerful of Secrets The other disc is a studio album where each member of the band got one half of one side of the disc to do whatever they wanted with. Pink Floyd didn't stop touring. They toured fairly extensively all through the 70s. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 6:59pm - retzam ""] I'm not sure what you mean by the studio version of the album. 3 of the songs on the live portion had already been released in their studio forms (Astronomy Domine on The Piper At The Gates Dawn and Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun and A Saucerful Of Secrets on A Saucerful Of Secrets), but I was wrong about Careful With That Axe, Eugene never being recorded in the studio, it was, and it was released on the collection of bits and pieces called Relics. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 7:26pm - Dissector NLI ""] D.R.I. was the first extreme band to do it. They were the fastest band in the world back in the day. Siege, though incredibly fast, didn't have the "true" blast beat. They just played the typical bass/snare beat extremely fast but not up to the blast. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 7:49pm - Niccolai ""] from wikipedia: Blast beats have their roots in hardcore punk most notably D.R.I's "Makes no Sense" on their first LP (1983) and Beastie Boys "Riot Fight" on their first EP Pollywog Stew (1982). Another example is the hardcore punk band Neon Christ. Thrash metal also has some credits towards the blast beat, however in modern standards the snare work is frequently comparable to established snare patterns in jazz most notably Albert Ayler's "Holy Ghost" on Live In Greenwich Village (1966). The original use in metal music is generally attributed to Dave 'Grave' Hollingshead of Repulsion, Charlie Benante of SOD and Mick Harris of Napalm Death, Grave having taken most of the credit for the "single footer." |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 7:51pm - Dissector NLI ""] I don't really count "Riot Fight" as a true blastbeat because it doesn't alternate. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 9:07pm - Lamp ""] The single footer? Never heard that term before. Any time you hear the song Milk played live around 1999 onward, Charlie does a double footer beat. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 9:09pm - Valder ""] ELP has a blast beat on the song "Barbarian". Released in 1971. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 9:13pm - Niccolai ""] Lamp said:The single footer? Never heard that term before. Any time you hear the song Milk played live around 1999 onward, Charlie does a double footer beat. Single footer is just a blast beat with single and not double bass. It's how I do my blast beats. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 9:15pm - Lamp ""] Yeah, I assumed that. |
| _____________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 10:06pm - i_am_not_logged_in ""] I got fucked over with my copy of Ummagumma on CD. For some reason both CDs in there were the studio album. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 10:58pm - retzam ""] i_am_not_logged_in said:I got fucked over with my copy of Ummagumma on CD. For some reason both CDs in there were the studio album. Whaaa? That sucks dude. Especially since the live disc is totally the better of the two in my opinion. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 9,2007 12:00am - d'oh ""] on wikipedia for blast beat they're forgetting dave witte from discordance axis as a key musician. that dude was fuckin incredible and they should give credit to where credits due. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 9,2007 12:26am - Lamp ""] Discordance Axis formed in 1991. Waaaay after the blast beat(in music time). |
| ________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 12:35am - NIGGER ""] The Beastie Boys contributed nothing, period. Only idiots like that music. In metal? Well, fuck all, who cares... slower blast beats on The Exploited is enough. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 9,2007 12:59am - Lamp ""] Two bands I hated in the 80's were the Exploited and GBH. At the time these bands represented to me the worst in cartoonish Mall Punk. Wearing an Exploited t-shirt to a show was on par with writing "clueless" or "poser" across your forehead. I remember when I heard GBH was going to open for Iron Maiden on their '84 tour. At the time Crossover was still a dirty word and we were all afraid that the stupid jocks and heshers would suddenly take over the punk scene after seeing GBH. I guess GBH never did play with Maiden, the jocks and heshers came, and are I fear here to stay, but punk endured. Later I learned to like the early GBH material despite the retarded lyrics. I still think the Exploited are a joke and only suitable listening for 13 year old mall shoppers who don't know any better. Remember the flap about Wattie's record contract stipulating that he had to have a red mohawk at all times despite his going bald. Stick on mohawks belong on the bottom shelf at Spencer's not in the punk scene. http://www.havocrex.com/press/article/1/17 |
| ________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 2:12am - sxealex ""] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzxTTm2RQdQ then came this crazzzzzy guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8cvKImVadE |
| ________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 2:19am - sxealex ""] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDU-ZyBQRnQ non mi piace questo "kermit D frog" |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 11:04am - immortal13 ""] A lot of people and things I've read claim that Napalm Death was the first. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 11:10am - passerby‘er ""] I'd say it was Pantera or Floyd to an extent. Not 100% sure though |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 11:14am - reverend_cziska ""] handinjury said:Okay, I am unfamiler with "seige" are they from CA? You're fired! |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 11:15am - reverend_cziska ""] dyingmuse said:I think it was Anthrax, they did a serious one in the 80's Can't remember the album. There may be more bands that I don't know, but for my memory they did it first. You're fired! |
| __________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 12:04pm - Growler ""] I'm not reading the 70 posts above, heres a fact...Danny Lilker invented it while high on crack screwin around on Charlie Bennante's kit. That is a fact! END OF THREAD___ |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 12:17pm - anonymous ""] Repulsion definitely took blast beats to the next extreme although I wouldn't say they were the first to do it altogether. Also, Sarcofago's INRI seems to be the first Black Metal album with blast beats that were done properly....a bit sloppy but no one was really playing like that back then. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 9,2007 12:40pm - Yeti ""] anonymous said:Also, Sarcofago's INRI seems to be the first Black Metal album with blast beats that were done properly....a bit sloppy but no one was really playing like that back then. yeah you can tell it was one of those "whoa, that sounds awesome, lets use it" moments. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 1:22pm - Memphis Red ""] Growler is correct, that is how the blast beat came to be. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 1:58pm - Dissector NLI ""] Growler is not correct because he "invented" the blast beat after it was already used. Charlie didn't like his drum beat in Milk so Lilker just told him to play that. D.R.I. already did it before. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 9,2007 2:33pm - Lamp ""] That makes sense. They make sense to me. Maybe if fuckface had actually read the 70 posts above, he would see this has been mentioned in a good portion of them. durrrr |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 2:54pm - Memphis Red ""] No, Danny Lilker invented it. Trust me ask any metal pioneer. It's documented somehwere. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 9,2007 2:59pm - Lamp ""] What year did he invent it? Where is it documented? Who are these metal pioneers? Answers these questions or you're full of shit. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 3:08pm - Dissector NLI ""] How can you say he invented it when it was done before SOD was even a band?! Are these people fucking morons? |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 3:11pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] Yes, yes they are. |