does anyone know what band was the first to use blast beats?[views:6758][posts:82]_____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:25pm - Yeti ""] i'm curious to know the band that recorded the very first blast beat. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:25pm - dreadkill ""] me |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:26pm - W3 nli ""] my band, we did it first everyone else is lying. it was so us, shut up shut up shut up we did, we built this city on rock and roll |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:26pm - moran ""] Bee Gees |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:26pm - Yeti ""] those are some helpful, quality responses. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:28pm - JDDomination ""] probably Sabbath, they did everything first, also who did the first true black metal scream? I'm going with Paul McCartney on one of the Beatles songs, or Roger Waters on some of the old Pink Floyd records(pre-Dark Side). |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:28pm - W3 nli ""] i threw out a jefferson spaceship response thats gotta be worth something. where the fuck is my medal and cookie.....what the fuck you all are slackers. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:29pm - W3 nli ""] JDDomination said:probably Sabbath, they did everything first, also who did the first true black metal scream? I'm going with Paul McCartney on one of the Beatles songs, or Roger Waters on some of the old Pink Floyd records(pre-Dark Side). funny you say that cause they do do the first inhales on one of the pink floyd records i think it was ummagumma. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:31pm - the_reverend ""] Albert Ayler's "Holy Ghost" on Live In Greenwich Village (1966) |
| _______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:38pm - Gibbs ""] the_reverend said:Albert Ayler's "Holy Ghost" on Live In Greenwich Village (1966) Thats a good call....i dont know for sure but something along the lines of Albert Ayler or Buddy Rich would sounds accurate |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:39pm - Lamp ""] The first recorded blast beat in any type of extreme music song was D.R.I.'s No Sense, but I've heard jazz musicians started using it in the 50s. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 1:45pm - aaron_michael ""] legit, I know it was a jazz band. for the life of me, I can't think of the name at the moment, and I doubt google-ing "blast beat" will tell me. |
| ____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:21pm - mOe ""] hmm...Raising Kubrick? |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:28pm - the_reverend ""] don't google, wiki |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:34pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] I would go with Uriah Heep or Pink Floyd with the black metal type scream. And as for the blast beats, I'm sure plenty of jazz dudes used blast beats in the fifties but i think the question concerns its use in the context of death metal and such. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:34pm - LongDeadGodnli ""] im not sure, but ive read interviews with charlie benante who played a blast on milk by s.o.d. back in '85 say d.r.i did the first blast. but i haven't found any other evidence of this and am not to familiar with d.r.i.'s stuff |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:38pm - Anthony nli ""] According to the liner notes on the first (non-Relapse) Piece of Time reissue, Atheist were the first to use a blast in death metal. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:40pm - W3 nli ""] anthony i dont know if youre big into vinyl but theres a record store down here that has Atheist discography on vinyl, plus another i wanted to tell you but im stoned/overtired so i forget. fuck you motherfucker. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:47pm - retzam ""] As far as black metal screams, I'm pretty sure everyone's right on target with Pink Floyd. Roger Waters did very "black metal-esque" inhale screams in live performances of the song "Careful With That Axe Eugene", which I don't think was ever recorded in a studio, but which many live versions exist of, the first released one being on Umma Gumma in 1969. As for blast beats, I have no clue, but I'd be very interested to know this, especially if it involves jazz, simply because that would definitely be a curveball, haha. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:52pm - fishcakes ""] I was wachin the song remains the same the other nite and john bonham did some shit like that live. as for the first recording of blasting, I gotta go with napalm death. that was my first time ever hearing blast beats, and I was hooked! end of story... |
| ____________________________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 2:55pm - the illustrious silketh von supper ""] d.r.i. was the first with the song, "no sense"(1983), although they've been used by jazz players for years |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:04pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] D.R.I. and REPULSION were the early ones. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:07pm - c.DEAD ""] As far as the real blast beat, and i mean not fucking fills jazz dorks did in the early 20th century, probably Protes Bengt (Mob 47 side band) and Siege. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:13pm - W3 nli ""] retzam said:As far as black metal screams, I'm pretty sure everyone's right on target with Pink Floyd. Roger Waters did very "black metal-esque" inhale screams in live performances of the song "Careful With That Axe Eugene", which I don't think was ever recorded in a studio, but which many live versions exist of, the first released one being on Umma Gumma in 1969. UmmaGumma came out in 69 and then pretty much the studio version of that album came out in 71. im assuming when they stopped touring. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:17pm - Yeti ""] i know Sarcofago did them a long time ago, a very early and primitive version. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:20pm - Lamp ""] LongDeadGodnli said:im not sure, but ive read interviews with charlie benante who played a blast on milk by s.o.d. back in '85 say d.r.i did the first blast. but i haven't found any other evidence of this and am not to familiar with d.r.i.'s stuff D.R.I. did it in one song in 83, Repulsion started in 84 and them doing a blast beat was a complete accident. c.DEAD said:As far as the real blast beat, and i mean not fucking fills jazz dorks did in the early 20th century, probably Protes Bengt (Mob 47 side band) and Siege. I still haven't been able to find any Protes Bengt yet so I can't confirm that but I don't think Siege really played it at a high enough tempo to consider it a blast beat. They probably fit better in the same category as the Neos, Deep Wound, Larm, etc. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:26pm - reverend_cziska ""] I'll say Siege. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:27pm - reverend_cziska ""] Oh, beat me to the punch. |
| ________________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:30pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] There are people that say Deep Wound <shrugs> |
| _____________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:33pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] It's funny how there are two separate threads going on in this one. On one level you have people who are like, "Yeah jazz musicians did it first, let's talk about them." While everyone else is talking about D.R.I. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:34pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] i'm gonna have to check out some of these bands |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:36pm - W3 nli ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:It's funny how there are two separate threads going on in this one. On one level you have people who are like, "Yeah jazz musicians did it first, let's talk about them." While everyone else is talking about D.R.I. hey what about Pink Floyd dood |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 3:45pm - Lamp ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:There are people that say Deep Wound <shrugs> Also not fast enough, imo. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 4:50pm - Troll ""] Siege |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 4:50pm - Eddie ""] sod |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 4:54pm - Troll ""] if you mean S.O.D ....Your off by years! I would say its a split between D.R.I and Siege but, then again its hard to say....The Blast Beat definitely has its roots in Hardcore Punk. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 4:57pm - handinjury ""] Eddie said:sod Bingo! Charlie Benante was the 1st. He used the "grind blast" alternating 16th notes between kick and snare. There deff was jazz dudes blasting back in the 50's. Same thing with the "gravity blast"(stupid name, should be called a fullcrum blast or rim roll blast when you think about it.) jazz duders used this back in the day also. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 4:59pm - handinjury ""] Troll said:if you mean S.O.D ....Your off by years! I would say its a split between D.R.I and Siege but, then again its hard to say....The Blast Beat definitely has its roots in Hardcore Punk. No way, not years maybe 1 yr the most. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 4:59pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] Wrong. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:00pm - Troll ""] Funny, Wikipedia(which is not the solid facts) makes no mention of Siege. I think someone needs to re-edit that shit! Hmmmm? Beastie Boys? It's possible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_beat |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:02pm - Troll ""] handinjury said:Troll said:if you mean S.O.D ....Your off by years! I would say its a split between D.R.I and Siege but, then again its hard to say....The Blast Beat definitely has its roots in Hardcore Punk. No way, not years maybe 1 yr the most. Ok, depends which SOD we're talkin' about. The Metal Band or the old HC Punk? |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:11pm - Troll ""] handinjury said:Eddie said:sod Bingo! Charlie Benante was the 1st. He used the "grind blast" alternating 16th notes between kick and snare. Thats great dude but, check your dates. We're talking about the first to use the Blast technique. Seige was blasting in 83' 84' I believe(can't find my Seige demo cassette) S.O.D.(Billy Milano and co.) is like 88' 89'. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:15pm - Lamp ""] Speak English or Die came out in 85, D.R.I. did it in 83. I don't understand how you guys think Siege played fast enough to consider that a blast beat. I think a blast beat has just as much to do with the tempo as the pattern. And if Sound of Disaster had blast beats in their songs, I need to check these guys out. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:19pm - handinjury ""] Okay, I am unfamiler with "seige" are they from CA? (A blast starts a 180bpm, just so we are all on the same page.) I am assuming 84'ish on that DRI track. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:20pm - Troll ""] Lamp said:Speak English or Die came out in 85 No shit? My bad.... I didn't start listening to it till about 89'. That is a pretty impressive album for the time. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:23pm - Lamp ""] handinjury said:Okay, I am unfamiler with "seige" are they from CA? (A blast starts a 180bpm, just so we are all on the same page.) I am assuming 84'ish on that DRI track. Dirty Rotten LP was 1983. Siege was from this very area, Massachusetts. Do yourself a favor and go get a copy of Drop Dead in some way some how, it is vicious for its time. I think it was 84. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:24pm - Troll ""] .....and it definitely had a blast beat or two (If memory serves me right) |
| ______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:27pm - Troll ""] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_(band) kinda interesting read |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:31pm - Lamp ""] Man, I would have loved to go to that Living Room show, too bad I wasn't born until like three years after it happened, haha. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 5:56pm - dyingmuse ""] I think it was Anthrax, they did a serious one in the 80's Can't remember the album. There may be more bands that I don't know, but for my memory they did it first. |