does anyone know what band was the first to use blast beats?[views:6762][posts:82]____________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 6:09pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] D.R.I. and REPULSION were the early ones. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 6:20pm - Lamp ""] There's actually a really good article about the origins of grindcore in the newest issue of Short, Fast, and Loud that credits Repulsion as the originators of grind and says Siege was hardcore. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 6:56pm - retzam ""] W3 nli said:retzam said:As far as black metal screams, I'm pretty sure everyone's right on target with Pink Floyd. Roger Waters did very "black metal-esque" inhale screams in live performances of the song "Careful With That Axe Eugene", which I don't think was ever recorded in a studio, but which many live versions exist of, the first released one being on Umma Gumma in 1969. UmmaGumma came out in 69 and then pretty much the studio version of that album came out in 71. im assuming when they stopped touring. No, Ummagumma was a double album, one disc is live: 1. Astronomy Domine 2. Careful with That Axe, Eugene 3. Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun 4. A Saucerful of Secrets The other disc is a studio album where each member of the band got one half of one side of the disc to do whatever they wanted with. Pink Floyd didn't stop touring. They toured fairly extensively all through the 70s. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 8,2007 6:59pm - retzam ""] I'm not sure what you mean by the studio version of the album. 3 of the songs on the live portion had already been released in their studio forms (Astronomy Domine on The Piper At The Gates Dawn and Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun and A Saucerful Of Secrets on A Saucerful Of Secrets), but I was wrong about Careful With That Axe, Eugene never being recorded in the studio, it was, and it was released on the collection of bits and pieces called Relics. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 7:26pm - Dissector NLI ""] D.R.I. was the first extreme band to do it. They were the fastest band in the world back in the day. Siege, though incredibly fast, didn't have the "true" blast beat. They just played the typical bass/snare beat extremely fast but not up to the blast. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 7:49pm - Niccolai ""] from wikipedia: Blast beats have their roots in hardcore punk most notably D.R.I's "Makes no Sense" on their first LP (1983) and Beastie Boys "Riot Fight" on their first EP Pollywog Stew (1982). Another example is the hardcore punk band Neon Christ. Thrash metal also has some credits towards the blast beat, however in modern standards the snare work is frequently comparable to established snare patterns in jazz most notably Albert Ayler's "Holy Ghost" on Live In Greenwich Village (1966). The original use in metal music is generally attributed to Dave 'Grave' Hollingshead of Repulsion, Charlie Benante of SOD and Mick Harris of Napalm Death, Grave having taken most of the credit for the "single footer." |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 7:51pm - Dissector NLI ""] I don't really count "Riot Fight" as a true blastbeat because it doesn't alternate. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 9:07pm - Lamp ""] The single footer? Never heard that term before. Any time you hear the song Milk played live around 1999 onward, Charlie does a double footer beat. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 9:09pm - Valder ""] ELP has a blast beat on the song "Barbarian". Released in 1971. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 9:13pm - Niccolai ""] Lamp said:The single footer? Never heard that term before. Any time you hear the song Milk played live around 1999 onward, Charlie does a double footer beat. Single footer is just a blast beat with single and not double bass. It's how I do my blast beats. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 8,2007 9:15pm - Lamp ""] Yeah, I assumed that. |
| _____________________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 10:06pm - i_am_not_logged_in ""] I got fucked over with my copy of Ummagumma on CD. For some reason both CDs in there were the studio album. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 8,2007 10:58pm - retzam ""] i_am_not_logged_in said:I got fucked over with my copy of Ummagumma on CD. For some reason both CDs in there were the studio album. Whaaa? That sucks dude. Especially since the live disc is totally the better of the two in my opinion. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 9,2007 12:00am - d'oh ""] on wikipedia for blast beat they're forgetting dave witte from discordance axis as a key musician. that dude was fuckin incredible and they should give credit to where credits due. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 9,2007 12:26am - Lamp ""] Discordance Axis formed in 1991. Waaaay after the blast beat(in music time). |
| ________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 12:35am - NIGGER ""] The Beastie Boys contributed nothing, period. Only idiots like that music. In metal? Well, fuck all, who cares... slower blast beats on The Exploited is enough. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 9,2007 12:59am - Lamp ""] Two bands I hated in the 80's were the Exploited and GBH. At the time these bands represented to me the worst in cartoonish Mall Punk. Wearing an Exploited t-shirt to a show was on par with writing "clueless" or "poser" across your forehead. I remember when I heard GBH was going to open for Iron Maiden on their '84 tour. At the time Crossover was still a dirty word and we were all afraid that the stupid jocks and heshers would suddenly take over the punk scene after seeing GBH. I guess GBH never did play with Maiden, the jocks and heshers came, and are I fear here to stay, but punk endured. Later I learned to like the early GBH material despite the retarded lyrics. I still think the Exploited are a joke and only suitable listening for 13 year old mall shoppers who don't know any better. Remember the flap about Wattie's record contract stipulating that he had to have a red mohawk at all times despite his going bald. Stick on mohawks belong on the bottom shelf at Spencer's not in the punk scene. http://www.havocrex.com/press/article/1/17 |
| ________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 2:12am - sxealex ""] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzxTTm2RQdQ then came this crazzzzzy guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8cvKImVadE |
| ________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 2:19am - sxealex ""] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDU-ZyBQRnQ non mi piace questo "kermit D frog" |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 11:04am - immortal13 ""] A lot of people and things I've read claim that Napalm Death was the first. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 11:10am - passerby‘er ""] I'd say it was Pantera or Floyd to an extent. Not 100% sure though |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 11:14am - reverend_cziska ""] handinjury said:Okay, I am unfamiler with "seige" are they from CA? You're fired! |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 11:15am - reverend_cziska ""] dyingmuse said:I think it was Anthrax, they did a serious one in the 80's Can't remember the album. There may be more bands that I don't know, but for my memory they did it first. You're fired! |
| __________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 12:04pm - Growler ""] I'm not reading the 70 posts above, heres a fact...Danny Lilker invented it while high on crack screwin around on Charlie Bennante's kit. That is a fact! END OF THREAD___ |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 12:17pm - anonymous ""] Repulsion definitely took blast beats to the next extreme although I wouldn't say they were the first to do it altogether. Also, Sarcofago's INRI seems to be the first Black Metal album with blast beats that were done properly....a bit sloppy but no one was really playing like that back then. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 9,2007 12:40pm - Yeti ""] anonymous said:Also, Sarcofago's INRI seems to be the first Black Metal album with blast beats that were done properly....a bit sloppy but no one was really playing like that back then. yeah you can tell it was one of those "whoa, that sounds awesome, lets use it" moments. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 1:22pm - Memphis Red ""] Growler is correct, that is how the blast beat came to be. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 1:58pm - Dissector NLI ""] Growler is not correct because he "invented" the blast beat after it was already used. Charlie didn't like his drum beat in Milk so Lilker just told him to play that. D.R.I. already did it before. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 9,2007 2:33pm - Lamp ""] That makes sense. They make sense to me. Maybe if fuckface had actually read the 70 posts above, he would see this has been mentioned in a good portion of them. durrrr |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 2:54pm - Memphis Red ""] No, Danny Lilker invented it. Trust me ask any metal pioneer. It's documented somehwere. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 9,2007 2:59pm - Lamp ""] What year did he invent it? Where is it documented? Who are these metal pioneers? Answers these questions or you're full of shit. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 3:08pm - Dissector NLI ""] How can you say he invented it when it was done before SOD was even a band?! Are these people fucking morons? |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 9,2007 3:11pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] Yes, yes they are. |