Grind[views:13816][posts:84]__________________________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 12:19pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Grindcore - an amalgamate of punk, hardcore, and metal; the name is referential to the latter two styles. Aspects of each style are usually represented over the span of shorter-than-the-pop-standard 2minute songs. Originally started as a protest music, grind songs are short, fast, and with many transitions in order to counteract "composed" and longer forms of song writing. Common Grindcore characteristics include -- though are not limited to -- the following: -numerous, and sometimes wild. changes -short songs -definitive "blast" beat, involving snare hits on nearly every beat of a measure, often 16th or 32nd notes. -fast speed likened to "grinding", somewhat comparable to the "axe" (or guitar) being "ground" (tremolo picked) with a plectrum. -political, satirical, or volatile lyrics -provocative song titles, artwork, and messages Early acts from the mid 80's to earlier 90's that helped set the stage for Grind include: DRI Deep Wound Siege Anal Cunt Disrupt check this page for more interesting stuff: http://www.geocities.com/repulsion_band/agrindhistory.html |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 12:21pm - succubus ""] ok but it's not news |
| _______________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 1:28pm - MarkKevorkian ""] What exactly is the point of this |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 1:43pm - tomx nli ""] everyone is gay, the only good grind band is daughters |
| ____________________________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 2:18pm - The Taste of Your Nipples ""] oh it's news alright. trust me. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 2:19pm - KeithMutiny ""] this thread makes me giggle |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 2:51pm - Dissector ""] Thank you for this pointless thread |
| _________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 3:14pm - Soloman ""] boooring. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 4:48pm - SUBJUGATE ""] yawn |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 4:58pm - RustedAngel ""] THERE IZ N0 TR00 GR1ND N E MORE, FUK U GUYZ, I PLAY ONLY TR00 MUZIK. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 5:20pm - KeithMutiny ""] Im gonna start a grind band called Rommel McDonald... anyone want in? |
| _________________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 5:28pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Will you have songs that find holocaust jokes in everyday products i.e. "Pillsbury Toaster Jewdel" |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 5:30pm - KeithMutiny ""] i had a brief stint in the powerviolence band "jem and the holocausts" i still have songs |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 5:44pm - KeithMutiny ""] [img] |
| _________________________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 6:37pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] oh yes, this IS indeed news. oh yes. pointless? don't make me laugh. |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 10:35pm - CongoogetalZobotomy ""] daughters isn't grind |
| __________________________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 10:46pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] it fits the criteria. I think "grind" doesn't mean "good" although Grind is very good. "Grind" means "Grindcore" and is prone to the definition above. Just caust you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't what it is. The kid on that links said Dillenger Escape Plan is Grind. Doesn't fit the criteria, though, but...the stuff on Under The Running Board does.... (or was the EP called "The Mullet Burden"? one of the two) |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 15,2004 11:28pm - CongoogetalZobotomy ""] grind that sounds like metalcore is metalcore, no mistakes about it. grind that is heavy and doesn't sound like metalcore is grind, not metalcore. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 16,2004 1:02am - BornSoVile ""] good thread, i was gonna make one like this since the definition of grind changes every fucking week and every gawd damn person in the world has their own special opinion on what it is. I was taught that Bolt Thrower was grind. |
| _______________________________________ [Oct 16,2004 3:33am - tomx at work ""] bolt thrower is for faggots and hicks. daughters and sex positions are the best grind bands ever, and carcass ripped off all thier songs from cat stevens. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 16,2004 3:49am - AUTOPSY_666 ""] *Yawn* |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 5:43pm - kyledoes ""] spazz |
| ________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 5:47pm - retzam ""] Yeah, based on the most common grind criteria, I have no idea why early Carcass is so commonly referred to as grind. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 6:01pm - anonymous ""] Spazz is powerviolence |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 6:04pm - KeithMutiny ""] p.s. --- that was me on that last one... and im a huge powerviolence fan |
| __________________________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 7:45pm - the taste of cigarettes ""] I wouldn't know where to begin in explaining Powerviolence I'm pretty sure it's grind at 500 mph with fewer deviations from the "blast" and MUCH shorter songs. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 7:48pm - KeithMutiny ""] true, but funnier songs, usually they arent worth the paper they're printed on... so much more amuzing to read... escpecially spazz |
| __________________________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 7:51pm - the taste of cigarettes ""] my goal is to help people remember grind / crust / powerviolence / sludge / doom / noise. I want to start a program where we go to schools and teach a class, once a week, throughout Greater Boston, on the history and impact of those above genres. Then we will have crusty, smelly little kids who all bang on their desks like DUTDUTDUTDUTDUTDUT during class. what a country! |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 7:56pm - KeithMutiny ""] I want in |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 7:57pm - KeithMutiny ""] ..wait, except all the crust "punks" ive met in the last 6 months are the biggest fuckin retards ive ever met in my life, and dont have a clue |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 7:57pm - KeithMutiny ""] this threads gonna make me go put on some Man is the Bastard |
| ________________________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 8:28pm - mark fucking richards ""] i can't believe napalm death and carcass weren't noted as grind's most important bands. napalm death has been together longer than any other "grind" band, and they're not noted??!! bah! carcass has influenced bands in a million different genres, as well as grind, and they get nothin...as far as i'm concerned, those 2 bands alone made grind important. even if napalm death is all about politics and related issues and carcass was all about gore and medical mishaps, etc. (in the early days at least), they represent the "era" when grind was solidified. i'm not sure if i can say napalm death were the originators of grind, but they are 100% grind all the way. not saying any of the other bands listed up there aren't grind or aren't important, keep in mind. and while we're on the topic... i keep hearing people call pig destroyer "metalcore." someone explain to me how that is...i don't think i've ever heard any metalcore-esque material from them. sure they have a lot of metal and lot of hardcore elements in their music, but that's 2 main parts of grind...they don't have singalongs, boring 1 chord slams...come to think of it, most of their breakdowns are thrash, punk and old school hardcore breakdowns, hardly ever any "slams"...they don't write about the same shit that metalcore bands do, they don't have the same recycled melodies and uniform "dance parts." no one has the right to determine the style of any band, unless it is very clear in their sound and other aspects. i've also heard daughters called metalcore...that's not metalcore, that's just shitty music. what is metalcore anyway??? is it integrity? all out war? maybe even earth crisis to some? or is it bands like FATA, norma jean, every time i die, and the like? or is every band that ever uses a breakdown outside of straight up hardcore considered metalcore? who here has ever heard of a tiny thrash band called slayer? remember that song "raining blood" with the one chord slam riff in it??? uh oh, i think old slayer is metalcore now too! alert the presses! fuckers. sorry i had to rant for so long, but i'm waiting for ink to dry and i'm rekindling fond thoughts of people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about when it comes to music. no offense to anyone in particular, unless you are offended. then good...hah! |
| ________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 8:33pm - retzam ""] I believe metalcore is the name given to Killswitch Engage, Shadow's Fall, etc. |
| ________________________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 8:46pm - mark fucking richards ""] i'll agree with you on killswitch engage, but definitely not shadows fall. as far as i'm concerned, shadows fall has no "core" to them at all. i will say that at certain times you can hear a bit of hardcore influence, but i don't think it's prevalent enough to be noted as "metalcore." i believe metalcore is becoming too broad in its definition these days. when metalcore was first reaching the surface, bands like integrity, all out war, forty days rain, prayer for cleansing, overcast, etc. defined metalcore. that's before everyone hated the term and the genre itself, and also before there were so many bands labelled metalcore. each band had their own brand of metalcore, or metallic hardcore, whatever you want to call it, with some of the same formulas and overall style. nearly equal parts metal and equal parts hardcore. these days, it seems everything that cannot be easily described as metal, hardcore or grind is just tossed into the metalcore category, which is on the verge of becoming a total embarrassment to the bands lumped into the category against will. bands around now that i would say are metalcore are unearth, bleeding through, killswitch engage, caliban, etc. then you've got people calling "screamo," or "emocore" bands metalcore. there may be elements of metal and hardcore in their shit, but there's a heavy emphasis on the emo, only with screaming and yelling. anyway, i could go on forever on how i think about music as a whole in a million different ways, but i won't. back to the grind |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 8:50pm - KeithMutiny ""] please dont detour the grind thread... im enjoying it |
| ________________________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 8:55pm - mark fucking richards ""] i know i know...thus why i stopped myself and said back to the grind. aaaaand go. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 9:02pm - ArrowHead ""] Metalcore is metal influenced hardcore. Think poison the well, remembering never, hopesfall, Shai Halud. Normally, hardcore is punk influenced. Think Slapshot, Judge, DYS, etc. Bands like Shadows Fall, Killswitch, and Unearth, etc... - well, there's been music like that forever. It's called METAL. Why when Death Angel, Forbidden, Exodus, and Metallica did it was it any different? Unearth IS a bit metalcore, as the vocals are all hardcore style, but the music is much more metal than most bands in the genre. This is why I hate labels. They serve an incredibly good purpose at first, but then people twist the shit out of them til they have no clue what they're talking about. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 9:40pm - Justin ACR ""] daughters IS NOT GRIND!!!! |
| ______________________________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 9:55pm - orgyM.F.....ilostmypassword ""] T.O.ciggs thank you for posting this!!!!! half the people on this board had very misinformed definitions of the word grindcore! i'd say the definition you posted is like 97 percent accurate the only inaccuracy is the metal incorpration.....though there are some grind bands who play thrash riffs, most grind bands are more a mixture of crust punk and old school hardcore played alot faster with harsher vocals.... but seriously....good post and also....i must agree with justin DAUGHTERS IS NOT FUCKING GRIND!!!!!!! |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 10:02pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] this is becoming quite the informative and productive thread, if i may say so myself. the general consensus is that daughters is not grind...this is a good thing. i think that's all the progress we need, haha |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 11:10pm - KeithMutiny ""] no... what we need is more local grindcore... to expand, so in the future its easier to teach to people that dont know...... and this is where i tell you to resort up higher in this thread, WHO WANTS IN ON ROMMEL MCDONALD???? hahaha |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 11:13pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] i'll jam...i still don't have a band. where do you hail from? arr |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 11:13pm - KeithMutiny ""] Ye ol' Millis MA |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 11:14pm - KeithMutiny ""] ps- next to milford, if that helps |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 11:16pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] my girlfriend kinda lives near there, in framingham...i believe milford is about a half hour away maybe? |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 11:18pm - KeithMutiny ""] ya, framingham is 1 town away from me ther other direction... only prob is i only sing and suck really back with a bass, but i break stuff really good and scare people |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 11:23pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] i play guitar and i can do crazy inhales if i have the right beverages. i can do a blast beat for like 10 seconds too...there we go, grind band! |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 11:24pm - KeithMutiny ""] alright, and we can just take each post on this thread and make songs... DONE... we already got an album |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 11:36pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] we can also use some of my songs i've had written for a while...great classics such as humungous humunculus call me old fashioned, but being gay is for queers epic of the screaming sea gull ass mullet etc. what's kinda funny is that i'm not racist and hate nazis, yet the name of this band is "rommel mcdonald." oh the irony |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 18,2004 11:38pm - KeithMutiny ""] well that was the first thing i thought of when deciding this the other day, and a WWII rommel special was on the history channel while i was typing, TADA band name |