ATTN: anyone from the 80's, 90's, or present day who think Venom couldn't play their instruments[views:6735][posts:95]__________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:32pm - litacore ""] I don't like Venom without Cronos, yeah I know Prime Evil but it doesn't have Cronos |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:33pm - Christraper ""] they play Chanting of the priests on Ein Kleine Nacht Musik which has mantas on guitar...... |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:33pm - litacore ""] Josh_Martin said:I still say that Acid Queen is the best bass playing ever recorded. hahaha, if my band ever lands a drummer we should have both bands go onstage and cover that song >:] |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:33pm - Josh_Martin ""] Prime Evil was alright. Temples of Ice was less alright. Wastelands was godawful. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:33pm - Christraper ""] i think |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:35pm - litacore ""] Christraper said:they play Chanting of the priests on Ein Kleine Nacht Musik which has mantas on guitar...... yeah I like his solo better on that than Jim C's or Mykus's on "Calm before the Storm" <--(the album where they all have poofy hair and L.A. glam clothes on) does anyone have their unreleased tapes from "Deadline"? I wonder if they just fuckin destroyed them |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:36pm - Christraper ""] wait.....so who sang prime evil? |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:36pm - Josh_Martin ""] litacore said:Josh_Martin said:I still say that Acid Queen is the best bass playing ever recorded. hahaha, if my band ever lands a drummer we should have both bands go onstage and cover that song >:] I think Nick Kevorkian would have to be unconcious to play bass like that. Larry Lifeless couldn't do a cover song if his life depended on it. We should do a half & half thing, like Motorgirlheadschool. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:36pm - litacore ""] I think Tony "Demolition Man" Dolan |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:37pm - Josh_Martin ""] Christraper said:wait.....so who sang prime evil? Tony "The Demoliton Man" Dolan |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:37pm - Christraper ""] whoever did it sounded just like cronos |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:38pm - Josh_Martin ""] litacore said:I think Tony "Demolition Man" Dolan Alright bitch, I challenge you to Venom Jeopardy. It's on! |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:38pm - litacore ""] Josh_Martin said:litacore said:Josh_Martin said:I still say that Acid Queen is the best bass playing ever recorded. hahaha, if my band ever lands a drummer we should have both bands go onstage and cover that song >:] I think Nick Kevorkian would have to be unconcious to play bass like that. Larry Lifeless couldn't do a cover song if his life depended on it. We should do a half & half thing, like Motorgirlheadschool. haha, awesome. It's a date |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:39pm - litacore ""] Josh_Martin said:litacore said:I think Tony "Demolition Man" Dolan Alright bitch, I challenge you to Venom Jeopardy. It's on! do your worst. Apart from my MLS I have a degree in Venomology :stupidflanders: |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:40pm - Josh_Martin ""] We need a satanic Alex Trebec |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:42pm - litacore ""] haha, he would say "Suck it Trebeck" TO HIMSELF! |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:43pm - Christraper ""] I dont know an awful lot about Venom. Celtic Frost is where my knowledge lies... |
| _______________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:44pm - dan. ""] cherry orchards! |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:44pm - litacore ""] CF were it up until Cold Lake |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:45pm - Christraper ""] Cold Lake was a joke but i liked Vanity Nemesis |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:46pm - Josh_Martin ""] Hellhammer!!!!!!! |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:49pm - Josh_Martin ""] Alright, early black metal Jeopardy. Categories: Venom Celtic Frost Bathory Sodom |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:49pm - litacore ""] I'll take V ____m for $200 |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:50pm - litacore ""] my cheatsheet: http://venomparry.tripod.com/ |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:53pm - litacore ""] come on, muthas! I'm gone in five minutes! |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:55pm - Christraper ""] you guys have a good weekend. im headin out. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:55pm - litacore ""] Okay I'll ask a question with a question: Venom were once a 4-piece. What was their original singer's STAGE NAME? |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 4:56pm - Christraper ""] satan? |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 6:06pm - BestialOnslaught ""] I like Prime Evil and the Live '90 Video (I believe from the Astoria in London, they couldn't fill Hammersmith by that point) is pretty fucking cool. VENOM without Cronos isn't really VENOM, but The Demolition Man was about as good a replacement as they could have asked for. The ATOMKRAFT (his previous band) single material I've heard is really cool, I need to get their LP (pretty sure they just had 1 along with 2 singles). Haven't heard their tracks recently, but if I remember it's cool TANK/WARFARE style Heavy Metal (with some solid Punk influences), not as Thrashy as VENOM, but with some similar elements. As for the best VENOM bass line, I think "In Nomine Satanas" would be my pick! Such a deadly track... I'd volunteer to be the Satanic Alex Trebek, but I think I stand a decent chance as a competitor, so I'm not gonna pass that up! Bring it on! Edit: I suck at typing the words I actually mean when I'm freshly baked. |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 6:08pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Josh_Martin said: Larry Lifeless couldn't do a cover song if his life depended on it. This is one of the funniest things I've read in awhile! I think watching an attempt would be great, you guys should play a SABBATH medley and just let him go nuts. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 17,2004 8:22pm - th3rdknuckle ""] Cronos could play; REALLY play Mantas got luck here and there; a hack overall Abaddon SUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| __________________________________ [Dec 19,2004 2:02pm - litacore ""] Abaddon IS a pretty terrible drummer, I'll grant you that! |
| _________________________________ [Dec 19,2004 7:20pm - Randy ""] the drumming on Welcome To Hell is some of the worst ever recorded. Thats what makes early Venom so good, the fact that they were mostly noisy slop, but still great songs. Look at the 1st Sodom LP. Horrible but still sick. And Hellhammer "Apocalyptic Raids" I think is the runner up for worst drums ever, especially the fill near the beginning of Triumph of Death..that simultaneous double bass tom tom fill. That makes me laugh and cringe every time I hear it, then do this :doublehorns: |
| _________________________________ [Dec 19,2004 7:21pm - Randy ""] and by the way....Mantas is a smokin guitarist. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 20,2004 10:56am - litacore ""] Christraper said:satan? yer close! the answer is JESUS CHRIST! he wore corpsepaint too, all white:yoda: |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 20,2004 10:57am - Christraper ""] I knew it was something ridiculous |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 20,2004 10:58am - litacore ""] here, don't get me fuckin' started-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Black Metal band that unwittingly inspired a plethora of imitators as part of the growing 80s extreme Metal scene in Europe and America. Newcastle trio VENOM was initially discounted for their early albums, although these records were later to be declared classics of the genre, in spite of their primitive approach. VENOM’s roots lay in the Newcastle late 70’s acts GUILLOTINE, ALBUM GRACIA, OBERON and DWARFSTAR. In 1978 Lant was guitarist with ALBUM GRACIA. Members from this band including vocalist Keith Ballard and drummer Kevin Robson decamped to found a new act the same year entitled DWARFSTAR. Meantime another local band GUILLOTINE, featuring guitarist Jeffrey Dunn retitled themselves VENOM in 1979. The inaugural line up of this group being Dunn, vocalist Dave Blackman, second guitarist Dave Rutherford, bassist Dean Hewitt and drummer Chris Mercaters. Both Blackman and Mercater lost their places in August of that year to former OBERON members drummer Tony Bray and singer Clive Archer. OBERON would play a further part in VENOM’s later career when guitarist Eric Cook would wind up as manager of the band. The new look VENOM, also with a fresh bassist Alan Winston, were to pull in Lant as replacement for Rutherford in November. However, mere days before the band’s debut gig in Wallsend Winston bailed out forcing Lant to take over the bassist’s role. This he did by necessity plugging a bass guitar into a lead guitar amp. By 1980 the proto VENOM had decided upon the satanic image rechristening the band members in suitable fashion. Archer became ‘Jesus Christe’, Lant ‘Mr. Cronos’, Bray ‘Abbadon’ and Dunn 'Mantas’. A three song demo was cut in April featuring early work outs of ‘Angel Dust’, ‘Raise The Dead’ and ‘Red Light Fever’. A second session, recorded for a miserly £50, laid down six more tracks with Lant taking lead vocals for ‘Live Like An Angel’. Archer packed his bags soon after and the unholy triumvirate of VENOM was born. The band adopted the position of marrying Lant’s Punk influences with direct inspiration from some of the global Rock giants. In early interviews the band professed the desire to have the energy of JUDAS PRIEST with the theatrics of KISS. Having, naturally, been signed by Neat Records VENOM debuted in 1980 with the 'In League With Satan' single and immediately came to the attention of 'Sounds' journo Geoff Barton. Barton's championing of the group certainly brought VENOM to the attention of the Metal loving public, although the trio had yet to play a gig. 1981 summoned the group's first album, 'Welcome To Hell', followed in 1982 by the seminal 'Black Metal' set. VENOM's third album found the Geordie triumvirate of Metal taking huge strides forward, especially abroad, as the semi conceptual 'At War With Satan' hugely increased the band's following. The band's first European live date came in Belgium (the group's initial live performance having ensured they would never play a club again as the event was marked by a handmade stage prop falling over and firing pyrotechnics into the audience!) where they headlined above PICTURE and ACID. It was on the continent where the band were only able to translate their mystique into material success with a series of major festival appearances and tours (including a trek through Europe in 1984 with METALLICA as the support act!) VENOM were virtually shunned by the UK audience where a succession of announced tours were scrapped, although the 'Seventh Date Of Hell' video did arise from the group's spectacular debut at Hammersmith Odeon in London on the 'At War With Satan' tour. Before going in to record fourth album 'Possessed', Cronos produced fellow Neat label act TYSONDOG' first album, although somewhat bizarrely he then announced to the world that it was 'shit'! 1985 began disastrously for the band. The 'Possessed' album was roundly chastized and a planned Canadian/American tour was thrown into turmoil as Mantas succumbed to glandular fever. The dates were put back and, as his health worsened, VENOM recruited AVENGER guitarist Les Cheetham and FIST guitarist Dave Irwin to fill the shoes of Mantas. The band's New York Studio 54 show (with EXODUS and SLAYER), their most prestigious date on the tour, was less than successful as Mantas, now with restored health, was denied access to America due to passport problems. 1986 saw the departure of the guitarist following American dates with support act HIRAX. Mantas resurfaced shortly after with his own MANTAS project that issued one album, but he soon retired to concentrate on building up a martial arts centre. Cronos busied himself producing the 1986 album from WARFARE 'Mayhem Fucking Mayhem'. Mantas was to be replaced by two guitarists, Jimmy C. (Jim Clare) and Mike H.(Mike Hickey), who performed their debut live shows with VENOM touring Brazil with support act EXCITER as well as Japanese dates. Previous to joining VENOM Clare had operated with Newcastle acts HARDLINE and HELLFIRE. With the introduction of the twin guitar set up originally called for some new suitably occult pseudonyms although the initial concept of Clare as 'The Mighty Horn' and Hickey as 'King Incubus' would thankfully be abandoned. This new line up recorded the lukewarm Nick Tauber / Kevin Ridley produced 'Calm Before The Storm' for RCA subsidiary Filmtrax. The album saw the band endeavouring to pursue a more finely crafted, mature approach rather than the bludgeoning ferocity of yore, but merely succeeded in alienating existing fans. Behind the scenes, what VENOM fans were unaware of, was that the tracks used for the 'Calm Before The Storm' album were, in fact, originally intended as demos recorded at Neat's Impulse Studios and subsequently remixed in London. The tracks were not intended as finished product. Following the live dates VENOM set to work on a new studio album but internal friction resulted in a parting of ways. Cronos and Clare broke away, relocating to America and resurfacing as CRONOS, utilising tracks assembled for a VENOM release as their 'Dancing In The Fire' opening album. CRONOS would also include their former VENOM colleague Mike Hickey alongside drummer Chris Patterson. In 1988 Mantas appeared again, this time as guest guitarist on WARFARE's 'A Conflict Of Hatred' album. VENOM regrouped once more in 1989, enticing original guitarist Mantas back into the fold alongside the drumming lynchpin of Abbadon, bassist / vocalist Tony Dolan and rhythm guitarist Al Barnes. Barnes had worked previously with Mantas on his solo album 'Winds Of Change', whilst Dolan was ex ATOMKRAFT. This line up debuted with 'Prime Evil', once more produced by Tauber and Ridley. VENOM took to the UK stages again in late 1989, billed under the pseudonym of SONS OF SATAN which included a "secret" London Marquee gig which attracted only a handful of followers giving ample indication as to the apathy towards the band. Their 1990 album 'Tear Your Soul Apart' featured Mantas, Abaddon and Dolan and included a bizarre cover of JUDAS PRIEST's 'Hell Bent For Leather' classic. Dolan quit, citing Abbadon's claims in the press linking VENOM with Satanism as the main reason. In 1994 a VENOM tribute album featuring such acts as PARADISE LOST and ANATHEMA was released. Cronos also came out of the shadows, lending backing vocals to rising UK Black Metal band CRADLE OF FILTH's 'Dusk And Her Dark Embrace' album. Meanwhile ex VENOM guitarist Mike Hickey, following his stint with CRONOS, teamed up with arch goremongers CARCASS in 1994. Following no less than three years of negotiations, the original band line up reformed in 1995, to nothing less than ecstatic European media response, to headline the Eindhoven Waldrock and Eindhoven Dynamo festivals. At the latter event VENOM used so much pyro that one particular blast proved so powerful the band's backdrop came to rest over the drumkit midway through the set! An edited form of this show was released as the video / CD package 'The Second Coming'. VENOM spent a large chunk of 1997 recording their ninth studio album, 'Cast In Stone', only interrupting proceedings to headline the Metal Invader Festival in Athens, Greece. The protracted nature of the recording was to be drawn out even further when, upon nearing completion, the band actually scrapped all previous efforts, opting to re-record the entire body of work. Upon eventual release, initial copies of 'Cast In Stone' came with recent re-recordings of VENOM classics from the early days. VENOM made a return to America in '97 headlining the notorious Milwaukee Metalfest, but end of year European dates supported by the fast rising Swedes HAMMERFALL where cancelled due to Cronos having to undergo surgery for vocal nodes. The 2000 VENOM album saw Abbadon, who issued a somewhat bizzare solo album, replaced by Antton. Cronos would contribute guest vocals to FOO FIGHTERS man Dave Grohl's Metal elite PROBOT project album of 2001. During March of 2002 Cronos would injure himself quite severely in a climbing accident. Some consolation for the frontman would be the Sanctuary Records remastering of the virst triumvirate of classic VENOM albums, all re-released with a glut of extra tracks and extensive liner notes. During the summer of 2002 former VENOM and CRONOS guitarist Jim Clare united with TYGERS OF PAN TANG drummer Craig Ellis and bass player Willie Angus in a new band project entitled PASSION PLAY. By August this project had adopted the revised title of TRIBAL CORE. Drummer Antton, still maintaining his membership of VENOM, teamed up with Necastle act NU-FUTURE COWBOYS in October. He would also be an active member of DEF-CON-ONE. VENOM themselves got back into action in early 2004, gearing up for recording of a new studio album. American guitarist Mykus was announced as being the latest recruit to the fold in March. The new look VENOM debuted live on 5th April with an unannounced surprise set at Trillians in Newcastle following a set from DEF-CON-ONE. During mid 2004 VENOM would have their classic cut 'Warhead' chosen as a pioneering piece of music for a compilation assembled by DARKTHRONE drummer Fenriz, released through Peaceville Records and entitled 'Fenriz Presents The Best Of Old School Black Metal'. Cronos acted as special guest on the 2005 HAMMERFALL album ''Chapter V: Unbent, Unbowed, Unbroken'. ------------------------------- from Rockdector.com |
| ____________________________ [Jan 5,2005 11:36am - p ""] litacore said:Christraper said:satan? yer close! the answer is JESUS CHRIST! he wore corpsepaint too, all white:yoda: I know him. |
| ____________________________ [Jan 5,2005 11:38am - p ""] ... Clive A, not the real Jesus, that is... |
| __________________________________ [Jan 5,2005 11:43am - litacore ""] LISTEN MEN! YOU'RE IN FUCKING HELL! *crowd cheers* OUR HELL, YOUR HELL, FUCKING HELL! *crowd cheers some more*>:] |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 5,2005 11:45am - paganmegan ""] Satan |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 5,2005 1:03pm - BestialOnslaught ""] "Ok... This is the B-side of the Seven Gates single!" |
| __________________________________ [Jan 5,2005 1:08pm - dyingmuse ""] venom indeed could not play their instruments...however they still rocked! \m/ |
| _________________________________ [Jan 5,2005 1:15pm - litacore ""] play Bloodlust for me |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 5,2005 1:26pm - paganmegan ""] they could really play their fucking instruments |
| _________________________________ [Jan 5,2005 1:36pm - litacore ""] yeah just listen to the guitar solos for Lady Lust Acid Queen and FOAD hahaha! really technical! |