Support the Mass Coalition for Immagration Reform
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[Dec 13,2004 9:27am - korpse-l- ""]
just because
[Dec 13,2004 9:28am - korpse-l- ""]
http://www.southofboston.com/articles/2004/12/11/headlines/news/news01.txt
[Dec 13,2004 10:49am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""]
hey if you're Korpse like the Korpse that sold me the guitar case, that thing is so nice. Thanks again dude!!
[Dec 13,2004 11:05am - korpse-l- ""]
ey. no problemo.
[Dec 13,2004 5:16pm - BornSoVile ""]
link is down.
I lost alot of stem for this arguement after I bossed a immigrant and realized he worked harder than anyother white person I know.
[Dec 13,2004 5:56pm - armageddonday ""]
Curious what this is about...
[Dec 14,2004 6:57am - korpse-l- ""]
Here's what it's about...
Immigrant policy has its critics: Local group would put lid on foreigners moving to U.S.
Quincy resident Armelino Marchesini, 38, a native of Brazil, takes the oath of citizenship with people from 80 nations on Wednesday at the Hynes Veterans Memorial Convention Center in Boston. (GREG DERR/The Patriot Ledger)
By SUE REINERT
The Patriot Ledger
A. Robert Casimiro spends much of his time going where he and his small band of anti-immigration activists are not wanted.
Recently the retired engineer from Weymouth showed up with one ally at a Suffolk University Law School forum dominated by the enemy: immigration advocates.
‘‘We're always outnumbered wherever we go,'' he said.
Casimiro, 66, is executive director of the Massachusetts Coalition for Immigration Reform, virtually the only organized voice in Massachusetts for immigration restrictions.
The small but vocal group has grown to about 130 members since Lorrie Hall of Duxbury helped create it in 1998, Casimiro and Hall said.
Like most mainstream organizations that favor limiting immigration, the coalition argues that immigrants cause sprawl and environmental problems by increasing the population, bring Third World diseases to the United States and take jobs and depress wages of American workers.
Members want the government to cut back legal entrants to about 300,000 people a year from the current 1 million and eliminate illegal immigration.
‘‘The United States is the fastest-growing country in the world because of immigrants,'' Hall said.
Cutting immigration by 70 percent might well have closed the door to Armelino Marchesini, a 38-year-old baker from Quincy who became a U.S. citizen on Wednesday. He arrived 10 years ago from Brazil.
‘‘If someone comes from a country where the economic opportunity isn't there to meet your basic human needs, that's what this country is all about,'' said his wife, Diane Kelley-Marchesini, who watched proudly from the balcony of the Hynes Veterans Memorial Convention Center in Boston as her husband and 1,433 others took the oath of citizenship.
‘‘Read what's engraved on the Statue of Liberty. These are good, hard-working people who don't get in trouble as a rule. They're not a threat to the average American.''
Massachusetts ranks high among the preferred destinations for immigrants to the United States. The state has added an average of 23,000 new foreign-born residents every year since 1988, the seventh highest total in the nation.
Overall, the state's immigration rate has increased 9 percent since 1999, slightly under the national average.
Although Casimiro's coalition focuses primarily on legal immigration, illegal immigration remains the hot-button issue nationally.
Last month, voters in Arizona passed a ballot measure to keep illegal immigrants from obtaining some government services, and groups in Georgia, Idaho, California and Colorado are considering similar proposals.
Called Proposition 200, the controversial Arizona law is intended to prevent illegal immigrants from obtaining food stamps, welfare and other social services. It requires proof of immigration status to obtain certain government services.
Ali Noorani, director of the Massachusetts Refugee and Immigrant Advocacy Coalition, has heard the arguments for restricting immigration many times.
He counters that immigrants don't contribute to sprawl and pollution because most of them settle in environmentally efficient cities instead of suburbs, that any international traveler can bring back disease and that lifting immigration restrictions will improve conditions for all workers by preventing exploitation of illegal aliens.
Of Casimiro's coalition, he says, ‘‘This is a group that is trying to incite the politics of fear.''
Lorrie Hall and Casimiro traveled different paths to their activism.
Casimiro was galvanized by the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, he said.
‘‘Like a lot of Americans, when that happened I was personally wounded,'' he said.
After a year and a half of research into immigration policies, he joined the coalition, he said.
As for the immigrant heritage that he shares with most Americans, Casimiro said the situation was different when his grandparents came to this country in 1905 from the Azores, the Portuguese-owned islands off West Africa.
‘‘They came here legally and immigration levels were not so high,'' he said.
Hall, who moved to Duxbury from Reading in 1997, ‘‘was interested in reducing immigration for a long time because I was concerned about sprawl,'' she said.
Hall is a member of the Sierra Club, the national environmental group that split sharply over immigration policy and its effect on the environment. After members voted in 1998 not to support immigration restrictions as part of population control, some continue to lobby for the cause.
Although Hall said she didn't form the coalition in response to the Sierra Club turmoil, environmental issues drive her concern over immigration, she said. In Duxbury, ‘‘I see every lot and farm being carved up,'' Hall said. ‘‘It's the population push that's doing it.''
Although most Americans have ancestors who were foreign-born, anti-immigration causes have attracted supporters since the 1700s, historians say.
Hall and Casimiro say their opposition to immigration is not based on race and say they don't have any quarrel with individual immigrants.
‘‘It upsets me when people refer to us as anti-immigrant,'' Casimiro said.
Said Hall, ‘‘It has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with common sense.''
Yet Casimiro talks of illegal Mexican immigrants whose ‘‘culture is antithetical to the American culture.''
‘‘They have one party that ruled for years,'' he said. ‘‘They're not getting anything through their government so they have to disobey the law. It's understandable in Mexico but we don't want that type of thing here.''
Noorani, the immigration advocate, said he and opponents like Hall and Casimiro can agree on one thing.
‘‘When I talk to them, we both agree that the immigration system is broken,'' he said.
"They are always asking why so many illegal immigrants are coming in. I would say it's broken because it's unfair and doesn't allow legal immigration.''
Both sides also seem to agree on another issue: the limited success of the Massachusetts Coalition for Immigration Reform in making progress toward its goals.
‘‘We don't have a lot of influence because the advocates have been at it for a long time,'' Casimiro said. ‘‘Our only voice generally goes through talk radio.''
Noorani said members of the anti-immigrant coalition try to get their views heard by ‘‘following us around.''
‘‘They're not tapping into a more widespread view,'' he said.
‘‘I would not quibble with the fact that nationally there is an anti-immigrant sentiment, but in Massachusetts we are trying to stem that.''
[Dec 14,2004 1:45pm - armageddonday ""]
I'm an immigrant and personaly there's 2 things that should be done:
*not illegal immigration
*legal immigrants should learn English if they want to move here.
[Dec 14,2004 1:50pm - korpse ""]
I agree. i hate when they screw up my coffee
[Dec 14,2004 2:04pm - armageddonday ""]
One of them screwed up my bagel this morning after my bicycle got fucked up (so I was already in a bad mood) I asked for a sunflower seeds bagel with chives cream cheese, tomatoes and onion on the side and I got a everything bagel with no tomatoes and onion. French versus Mexican this is what you get...
[Dec 14,2004 2:06pm - korpse ""]
hahaha! that sucks! you know what's even funnier is when they get mad at you because they think you should understand them! One time i almost dragged a guy from out of a booth at a gas station because he was pissed i didn't know what the hell he was saying.
[Dec 14,2004 2:10pm - Hooker ""]
Yeah. You don't want them thar "immagrants" with their shitty spelling small minded brown-ness. Fuckin' jewin' up all our goddam good jobs. Like arby's. And shit like that. You wanna hit up supercross next month? Jeremy McGrath is racing again. Him and Ezra Lusk. Them's a couple good ol' motorcylin' motherfuckers.
[Dec 14,2004 2:13pm - armageddonday ""]
Yeah, I'm not laughing much here cause I have to admit that when this happens to me I can be really pissed off, not that much anymore and it really depends on my mood. I'd rather have people asking me to repeat (or fix my mistakes like Dwyer) than just fake understanding what the heck I just said.
[Dec 14,2004 2:15pm - Hooker ""]
korpse said:hahaha! that sucks! you know what's even funnier is when they get mad at you because they think you should understand them! One time i almost dragged a guy from out of a booth at a gas station because he was pissed i didn't know what the hell he was saying.
Totally. One time I was at a Hardee's, spending my goddam hard-earned money on that shit they call food, when the Mr. Spick from the Starspic Enterprise behind the counter said some shit like "cane I hell you sore?" and I was like "Sore? You mean SIR?" then I fuckin' showed him the tattoo over my heart of the eagle cryin' and fuckin' told him "LOOK... you already stole a job away from a hard workin' god fearin' white person... it's bad enough that you robbed some poor boy his $250 a month... but now you go shit all over the American language?" then I walked the fuck out, jumped in my SS 442 and drove over to wendy's on the corner Albemarle and Brawley. Where my brother in law works. Who happens to be white, thank you very much.
[Dec 14,2004 2:17pm - armageddonday ""]
Well, I'm white but I still " go shit all over the American language".
[Dec 14,2004 2:18pm - Hooker ""]
Well maybe you should go back t'Africa. along with the rest of yer kind.
[Dec 14,2004 2:22pm - armageddonday ""]
Maybe you should go fuck yourself.
[Dec 14,2004 2:22pm - hoser ""]
Ya I'll support you and your cause. Especially since you spelled "Immigration" wrong.
[Dec 14,2004 2:23pm - Hooker ""]
You took those fucking posts seriously?
I layed it on a little thick there, numbnuts.
[Dec 14,2004 2:23pm - succubus ""]
armageddonday said:One of them screwed up my bagel this morning after my bicycle got fucked up (so I was already in a bad mood) I asked for a sunflower seeds bagel with chives cream cheese, tomatoes and onion on the side and I got a everything bagel with no tomatoes and onion. French versus Mexican this is what you get...
i get americans messing up my orders all the time too
[Dec 14,2004 2:25pm - hoser ""]
I seriously think that your vagina smells.
[Dec 14,2004 2:26pm - Hooker ""]
You know what I hate? When I go into a goddam respectable place, and I bring my lady, Misty, in there with me... i don't want no flying carpet nigger handlin' my food and shit.
[Dec 14,2004 2:27pm - succubus ""]
hoser said:I seriously think that your vagina smells.
of what?
[Dec 14,2004 2:28pm - Hooker ""]
of man penis
[Dec 14,2004 2:29pm - succubus ""]
Hooker said:of man penis
if by man you mean aaron...well sometimes...but not now
[Dec 14,2004 2:31pm - hoser ""]
Asparagus. Your vagina has a light Asparagus-like odor.
[Dec 14,2004 2:32pm - armageddonday ""]
Hooker said:You know what I hate? When I go into a goddam respectable place, and I bring my lady, Misty, in there with me... i don't want no flying carpet nigger handlin' my food and shit.
I guess you live in the wrong country, you should move to Norway or Sweden.
[Dec 14,2004 2:33pm - succubus ""]
hoser said:Asparagus. Your vagina has a light Asparagus-like odor.
you must be mixing me up with someone else...
[Dec 14,2004 2:33pm - Hooker ""]
hahahaha. jesus christ. I give up.
[Dec 14,2004 2:34pm - Hooker ""]
ME AND MISTY AIN'T MOVIN!! THIS IS WHERE MY DADDY, HIS DADDY, AND... WELL... THAT'S ALL... BUT WE WAS BORN HERE!! AND WE'S WHITE!!
[Dec 14,2004 2:46pm - Josh_Martin ""]
armageddonday said: I asked for a sunflower seeds bagel with chives cream cheese, tomatoes and onion on the side
Try ordering less gay food.
[Dec 14,2004 2:50pm - Hooker ""]
hahahahaaaaaa. i just found out this broad is french and has no idea that I'm joking. sorry, there.
[Dec 14,2004 2:51pm - armageddonday ""]
Josh_Martin said:armageddonday said: I asked for a sunflower seeds bagel with chives cream cheese, tomatoes and onion on the side
Try ordering less gay food.
I'm not gay, that's the thing though.
[Dec 15,2004 7:15am - korpse-l- ""]
hoser said:Ya I'll support you and your cause. Especially since you spelled "Immigration" wrong.
so i made a typo. is that all you have? you must do a lot of proof reading on the internet just so you can have somewhat of a fight.
[Dec 15,2004 7:18am - korpse-l- ""]
Hooker said:ME AND MISTY AIN'T MOVIN!! THIS IS WHERE MY DADDY, HIS DADDY, AND... WELL... THAT'S ALL... BUT WE WAS BORN HERE!! AND WE'S WHITE!!
Sounds like I struck a nerve? Are you an illegal immigrant? read the article Fuckbag.
[Apr 20,2005 10:26am - Boots wtf ""]
Help keep America clean.
-Boots aka korpse-l-
[Apr 20,2005 10:38am - Josh_hates_you ""]
their is a peurto rican, a russian and an american guy standing on top of a mountain. the rican throws cigarettes over the cliff and says "we have to many of these in my country". Then the russian guy throws a bottle of vodka over the cliff and says "we have too much of this in my country". The american guy throws thr peurto rican off the cliff and says "we have to many of them in my country".
[Apr 20,2005 11:09am - BestialOnslaught ""]
Ideally, I think open borders worldwide would be great. A lot of security reforms are necessary before this can happen, as well as a more level playing field economically. If the borders were opened right now, chaos would ensue, however I think people should be able to go where the work is, this would benefit the economy as a whole. As burgeoning economies like Mexico, India, etc. catch up to us, people from these countries (and neighboring countries) won't feel such a need to come here, as their home countries will presumably offer them economic opportunities that won't encourage emigration to the US.
[Apr 20,2005 12:51pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""]
I don't see why we can't facilitate legal immigration for anyone who want to come to our country. That way you can be pretty sure anyone sneaking in illegally is either a terrorist, criminal, or totally fucking ignorant. Plus I think migration is a basic instinct ingrained in us, if I were a Mexican I doubt I'd keep working at a shithole factory making wages that don't support my family when I could see the US out of my back window. Besides the opinion that illegal immigrants are leeches on society is bullshit since the IRS has been allowing them to file taxes and running seminars on tax filing since 1996 and that illegal immigrants pay about 7 billion dollars a year in payroll taxes for programs they will probably never benefit from.
[Apr 20,2005 12:58pm - swamplorddvm ""]
If you're not white, get out! right?
Yeah, I know, I suck.
[Apr 20,2005 1:05pm - denis ""]
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[Apr 20,2005 1:10pm - thegreatspaldino ""]
it sucks when somweone you know that is amazing has to get kicked out of the country when you look in a mall food court and see about 40 illegal immigrants working at that moment. its very disheartening. its easy to attain fake documents that check out. at d'angelos alone there are about 8 illegal people working there.
[Apr 21,2005 1:25pm - Hung_to_Bleed ""]
I say we deport all illegal aliens now, shut down the boarder, and get at least the national guard out there. Without our boarders we're in for an encore.....
[Apr 21,2005 1:33pm - killerkadoogan ""]
why are you people are taking hooker seriously?
[Apr 21,2005 1:41pm - denis ""]
why dont we just make mexico a state and tax the shit out of them?
[Apr 21,2005 2:04pm - destroyyoualot ""]
korpse-l- said: The small but vocal group has grown to about 130 members since Lorrie Hall of Duxbury helped create it in 1998, Casimiro and Hall said.
Fucking figures it'd be some rich cunt from Duxbury... I guess she got pissed at her butler for refusing to beat her gardener soundly enough. "I say, Nigel, can't we do something about these lazy, ungrateful Mexican types?" "I think they're Puerto Rican, dahling." "Oh, what's the difference? I'm going to start a foundation!"
I just love how Yasu from Devour gets kicked out after living here (productively) for twelve years, when if he had made a few more dollars or a few less, he'd be inside whatever bullshit income-strata-quotient they set up...
We used to call him up wicked late (here, not there) and do bong hits at him over the phone. He'd get soooo pissed, the poor pot-deprived fucker. "Oooh, fucking ahs-holes..." Piston Honda-lookin' motherfucker.
[Apr 21,2005 2:14pm - Josh_Martin ""]
Yaz left the country because he finally graduated college after strecthing what should've been 4 years into 12. His student visa then expired. It had nothing to do with how much money he was making.
I miss that fat gook. He always had weed when I saw him.
[Apr 21,2005 2:40pm - RichHorror ""]
succubus said:hoser said:I seriously think that your vagina smells.
of what?
Elderberries.
[Apr 21,2005 6:51pm - BSV ""]
gay thread. come by my shop and work with my brazilians. you shit on immigrants you shit on the american dream and above all else america. go to iraq you fucking poser.
[Apr 21,2005 7:01pm - coldnorthernvengeance ""]
This country has enough humans...
[Apr 21,2005 7:12pm - coldnorthernvengeance ""]
This reminds of the guy that wanted to open the borders and then his daughter was raped and killed by a gang of Mexicans. How Ironic?
[Apr 21,2005 8:08pm - Boots ""]
coldnorthernvengeance said:This country has enough humans...
my point exactly
[Apr 21,2005 8:16pm - Boots ""]
BSV said:gay thread. come by my shop and work with my brazilians. you shit on immigrants you shit on the american dream and above all else america. go to iraq you fucking poser.
watch who you call "fucking poser". how does anything i said make me a poser in the first place? i'm not trying to be something i'm not? you listen to Skrewdriver. Who is the poser?
[Apr 21,2005 8:25pm - anonymous ""]
Fuck immigrants, they spread disease and drain our social system. If things got bad here in America do you think any one of them would help us out if we moved to their country? Hell no..........let's show the same courtesy they extend to us.
[Apr 21,2005 8:27pm - coldnorthernvengeance ""]
Boots said:coldnorthernvengeance said:This country has enough humans...
my point exactly
right on...
[Apr 22,2005 1:33am - ArrowHead ""]
armageddonday said:I'm an immigrant and personaly there's 2 things that should be done:
*not illegal immigration
*legal immigrants should learn English if they want to move here.
AMEN!!
To hear a foreigner say that brings a tear to my eye. I wish more people thought like you.
[Apr 22,2005 1:40am - BSV ""]
Boots said:
watch who you call "fucking poser". how does anything i said make me a poser in the first place? i'm not trying to be something i'm not? you listen to Skrewdriver. Who is the poser?
skrewdriver is awesome. i havn't read any of the article. it all comes down to the fact that this country was built by immigrants, denouncing that is un-patriotic, hence why i'm addressing hypocrisy. that's not to say i'm partriotic and in favor of over population. i was born in a small town.
[Apr 22,2005 2:39am - ArrowHead ""]
Actually, this country was built by patriots, NOT immigrants. The "american dream" you spoke of earlier is a dream of the non-american. To the founding americans, it was a god given right.
We live in the greatest nation on earth. Either accept it, assimilate, and be productive, or get the fuck out.
[Apr 22,2005 8:06am - BSV ""]
yeah moreorless patriots and the constructive open minded attitude which gives us our freedoms. those patriots technically are immigrants. i always try to make my workers be better americans, by giving them daily english lessons and whatnot. plus and minuses everywhere guy.
[Apr 22,2005 10:07am - powerkok ""]
ArrowHead said:Actually, this country was built by patriots, NOT immigrants. The "american dream" you spoke of earlier is a dream of the non-american. To the founding americans, it was a god given right.
We live in the greatest nation on earth. Either accept it, assimilate, and be productive, or get the fuck out.
nail on the head, my friend.
the rest of this thread is hilarious.
esp the hooker dialog.
[Apr 22,2005 11:10am - anonymous ""]
Josh_Martin said:Yaz left the country because he finally graduated college after strecthing what should've been 4 years into 12. His student visa then expired. It had nothing to do with how much money he was making.
Gotcha - I heard something different, second-hand. And, yes, he was always good with the weed. And the miso.
[Apr 22,2005 11:13am - destroyyoualot ""]
Goddammit - I never remember to log in.
[Apr 22,2005 12:05pm - Bradness ""]
BestialOnslaught said: burgeoning economies like Mexico.
what's in your weed boy? Burgeoning economy?
[Apr 24,2005 1:15pm - diamond_dave ""]
ArrowHead said:armageddonday said:I'm an immigrant and personaly there's 2 things that should be done:
*not illegal immigration
*legal immigrants should learn English if they want to move here.
AMEN!!
To hear a foreigner say that brings a tear to my eye. I wish more people thought like you.
the thing is though...the US doesn't have an official language. yes it makes it easier on the individual if they choose to learn english since that's what most people speak. but the t-shirts and bumper stickers that say "welcome to amercia, now learn english"...totally ignorant.
[Jun 15,2006 6:53am - Messerschmitt ""]
Operation: RETURN TO SENDER
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