Derek Roddy Quits Hate Eternal[views:28581][posts:60]_____________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 8:39am - RustedAngel ""] "Real-life situations have forced me to resign as a member of HATE ETERNAL. I can on longer afford the expenses of touring. I have put MUCH thought into this for the last several years and kept coming to this conclusion. I must be able to afford the quality of life that I enjoy, and thus far... touring in extreme bands has not allowed me to do anything other than go into a financial hole. Every tour has put me in finanancial burden. Now, I'm not complaining (because I never expected to 'make it' playing metal), but I cannot continue to pay to do it either!!! Too expensive. Besides, I value the scene and would rather GIVE my music away than be insulted at the end of the year with a $600.00 royalty check!!!! This in NO WAY means I won't be recording and releasing extreme music. In fact, you will hear more from me (as I now have the freedom to do what I want when I want.) "I wish HATE ETERNAL the best of luck." :shocked: |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 8:42am - DreamingInExile ""] HOLY CRAP!!! that sucks for Hate Eternal... man, I wish both of them the best of luck. I know how he feels about the money thing too |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 8:46am - RustedAngel ""] To me this is just another reminder that the music buisiness blows. If someone as hardworking as Derek Roddy can't make somewhat of a living from playing death metal, it just goes to show you how gay everything really is. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 8:59am - i_am_not_me ""] RustedAngel said:To me this is just another reminder that the music buisiness blows. If someone as hardworking as Derek Roddy can't make somewhat of a living from playing death metal, it just goes to show you how gay everything really is. qft |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 9:19am - RustedAngel ""] i_am_not_me said: qft brb, lol, rofl, lmao |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 9:23am - thedeparted ""] any word on his new projects to come? |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 9:54am - cdan nli ""] hmm...he should consider metalcore. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 9:59am - mOe nli ""] YES, man I am SO in there! |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 10:03am - MetalcoreSUCKS ""] cdan nli said: hmm...he should consider metalcore. Uh huh.Metalcore is where the money is.I cant see how any Death Metal band can survive financially |
| ______________________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 10:12am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] There are probably about 50-100 metal bands (of any style) in the world who can make a decent living off their music, and that includes those with 20+ year careers. Compare that to the 500,000 or so metal bands active (which is part of the problem). For most, it's a labor of love and hate. Looking forward to some free music from Roddy. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 10:19am - the_reverend ""] derek always has like 32092834 projects. |
| ______________________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 10:22am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] I'm sure there are many drummers lined up to take his spot. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 10:25am - RustedAngel ""] the_reverend said:derek always has like 32092834 projects. but he doesn't really make them known to the public. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 10:30am - the_reverend ""] yeah, but he does some sick shit. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 28,2006 10:59am - craz ""] Damn a royalty check of 600.00 a year; that's fucking low. He should just start his own record label, put out the Hate Eternal cd's himself and make more money. Then the rest of his money can come from merchandise sales and playing paid gigs. And if he wants to make even more money he could always teach drums and maybe produce cd's or something. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 11:11am - Anthony nli ""] RustedAngel said:the_reverend said:derek always has like 32092834 projects. but he doesn't really make them known to the public. this is shitty news. I saw it on the SMN forums. I heard he has a project going with Ron Jarzombek and Alex Webster. I'm psyched for that. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 12:18pm - thedeparted ""] Anthony nli said:RustedAngel said:the_reverend said:derek always has like 32092834 projects. but he doesn't really make them known to the public. this is shitty news. I saw it on the SMN forums. I heard he has a project going with Ron Jarzombek and Alex Webster. I'm psyched for that. wow that must be amazing, i hope something comes of that |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 12:58pm - pam nli ""] Only good thing about Hate Eternal left? Sucks for them! I agree with Tom, too. If Derek Roddy can't make a living, there's no justice in this industry. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 2:59pm - Aegathis nli ""] I'm actually kinda glad hes leaving the band, i was so fuckin disappointed with the new cd, still just nothing but the same blast beats and fast double bass over and over, and hes such an incredible drummer. So i kinda would figure hed wanna branch off and do more than just the same repetitive death metal drumming over and over. There are plenty of guys out there that can do what he was doing in Hate eternal so it shouldnt be that hard getting somebody else. |
| ____________________________________________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 3:20pm - The Accursed nli (because I'm fucking lazy) ""] Aegathis nli said:I'm actually kinda glad hes leaving the band, i was so fuckin disappointed with the new cd, still just nothing but the same blast beats and fast double bass over and over, and hes such an incredible drummer. So i kinda would figure hed wanna branch off and do more than just the same repetitive death metal drumming over and over. There are plenty of guys out there that can do what he was doing in Hate eternal so it shouldnt be that hard getting somebody else. I've got some clips of him recording 2 songs for that album, and his drumming is insane. Beyond all reason insane. Problem is, that type of music has never been great for drumming. Intricate shit gets buried on the record, believe me, I listened to Behold Judas and then watched him record it, then listened to it again, and everything is lost in production. It's sad because he's one of the greatest metal drummers of all time, hands down. I'm definitely interested in checking out his project with Webster. Should be insane. Wish him lots of luck, but even more to Hate Eternal, and still more to his replacement (you're going to need it!) |
| _______________________________ [Mar 28,2006 3:38pm - Abyss ""] Wow I was'nt exspecting this. In this case, I would like to see Tim Yeung rejoin |
| ______________________________ [Mar 28,2006 3:49pm - CNV ""] Yeah, unless you are Cannibal Corpse, Deicide, or Morbid Angel chances are your a poor bastard |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 4:47pm - Josh_Martin ""] Why are you guys so surprised that he can't make a living off playing death metal? Its fucking death metal, not pop music. You aren't supposed to be able to make a living off of it. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 4:52pm - RustedAngel ""] Josh_Martin said:Why are you guys so surprised that he can't make a living off playing death metal? Its fucking death metal, not pop music. You aren't supposed to be able to make a living off of it. Because he's a bazillion times more talented than you, and he should be making some decent money for his hard work. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 5:00pm - SeedBassist ""] Anthony nli said: I heard he has a project going with Ron Jarzombek and Alex Webster. I'm psyched for that. Yeah that should be really cool....chris adler was supposed to be playing drums originally but backed out due to lamb of god touring/writing and recording a new cd |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 28,2006 5:40pm - maslayer ""] you'd be surprised who still has day jobs...bands that are "big" still working in warehouses and such |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 12:57am - litacore ""] me, I play the music (debatable) because I enjoy it. Some people work to support expensive hobbies, after all--sailing, football games, hookers, etc. but the problem, particularly in America, is that extreme music ain't popular in the way that say, U2 REM or Dick-in-Mouth Polesmoker Pop Band #666 are popular. No biggie, fact of life. the audience doesn't owe me shit except maybe a half hour of their time for HEKSERI, heh. I hope Rutan finds someone comparable! |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 9:06am - Josh_Martin ""] RustedAngel said:Josh_Martin said:Why are you guys so surprised that he can't make a living off playing death metal? Its fucking death metal, not pop music. You aren't supposed to be able to make a living off of it. Because he's a bazillion times more talented than you, and he should be making some decent money for his hard work. It must piss you off that I get more royalty money from Earache than he does, or you ever will. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 9:20am - Messerschmitt ""] i like hate eternal and all but i always thought roddy was too good for that band. hopefully he joins up with a band that can utilize his talents a little bit better. that's what i think. fuck you. fuck you very much. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 9:41am - RustedAngel ""] I've heard that Earache is having financial problems. Also, Josh if you're getting more royalties than Derek Roddy it just goes to show how fucked up the music biz is. No one even knows who you are. It's not like people are like "Man remember that guitarist Josh Martin, he was such a sick player man!" it's more like "hey guyz remember anal cunt, man they were hillarious, I write their name on my skool notebook, that song 311 sucks is so funny LOL OMG ROFL" |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 9:57am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Yeah and everyone knows who Derek Roddy is. I don't think I've ever heard his name before this thread was created. |
| _____________________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 9:57am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] litacore said: but the problem, particularly in America, is that extreme music ain't popular in the way that say, U2 REM or Dick-in-Mouth Polesmoker Pop Band #666 are popular. No biggie, fact of life. Or anywhere, for that matter. Europe has a much bigger draw for fests and they have more big metal tours in general, but the music can only occasional chart and is destroyed by the more accessible genres (rock and pop in England, dance and pop in Germany, and so forth). It's basically Ozzfest and Sounds of the Underground, huge installed fanbase from the 80s (Slayer, Maiden, etc), or you just play metal because you love to. Other bands might get a good tour occasionally (Satyricon, Emperor, etc) but they haven't quit their day jobs (or producing other peoples' records, etc). |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 10:05am - RustedAngel ""] Joe/NotCommon said:Yeah and everyone knows who Derek Roddy is. I don't think I've ever heard his name before this thread was created. Then why are you posting in this thread? Oh, sticking up for your buddy Josh, right. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 10:08am - Josh_Martin ""] RustedAngel said:I've heard that Earache is having financial problems. Also, Josh if you're getting more royalties than Derek Roddy it just goes to show how fucked up the music biz is. No one even knows who you are. It's not like people are like "Man remember that guitarist Josh Martin, he was such a sick player man!" it's more like "hey guyz remember anal cunt, man they were hillarious, I write their name on my skool notebook, that song 311 sucks is so funny LOL OMG ROFL" So you're saying people remember Anal Cunt because we were funny? Wow, what a revelation. We wrote songs that made us laugh and, holy shit, that's what we're remembered for. I guess laughter sells more albums than boring death metal like Hate Eternal. Tom, you are stupid. I don't know why you even brought up a band I haven't played for in almost 5 years. I wish I could remember which of the insults I threw at you that made you so bitter and pissed off at me. It must've been a doozie. All I was saying is that death metal is not a good way to earn a living, nor should it be. People who think proficiency at an instrument should equal success are annoying and wrong. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 10:10am - Joe/NotCommon ""] RustedAngel said:Joe/NotCommon said:Yeah and everyone knows who Derek Roddy is. I don't think I've ever heard his name before this thread was created. Then why are you posting in this thread? Oh, sticking up for your buddy Josh, right. Originally I came in to let everyone know hate eternal is terrible, but then I decided to make fun of how you think Derek Roddy is famous because your friends all know him. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 10:11am - Josh_Martin ""] I love it when people who try hard and put a lot of effort into their music get pissed that people like me, who are just having fun, go farther than they ever will. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 10:12am - Josh_Martin ""] Joe/NotCommon said:Yeah and everyone knows who Derek Roddy is. I don't think I've ever heard his name before this thread was created. Yeah, nothing against Roddy but Tommy Boy is acting like he's Keith Moon or John Bonham. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 10:14am - BornSoVile ""] YO ERIK RUTAN, GET TIM YEUNG IN THERE, GET DOUG CERRITO IN THERE, AND MAKE US ANOTHER CONQUERING THE THRONE!!! |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 10:17am - RustedAngel ""] Josh_Martin said: So you're saying people remember Anal Cunt because we were funny? Wow, what a revelation. We wrote songs that made us laugh and, holy shit, that's what we're remembered for. I guess laughter sells more albums than boring death metal like Hate Eternal. Yeah, that's all I was pointing out. That it's sad that a hard working keyword 'MUSICIAN' regardless of what music style he plays isn't getting as much royalties as a stoner from a joke band. Josh_Martin said: Tom, you are stupid. I don't know why you even brought up a band I haven't played for in almost 5 years. I wish I could remember which of the insults I threw at you that made you so bitter and pissed off at me. It must've been a doozie. All I was saying is that death metal is not a good way to earn a living, nor should it be. You're the one that brought up the royalties thing. Obviously it's coming from AC. I'm not pissed off at all, I just think you're lame. Josh_Martin said: People who think proficiency at an instrument should equal success are annoying and wrong. waaaaa! shut up and go practice. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 10:22am - RustedAngel ""] Joe/NotCommon said: Originally I came in to let everyone know hate eternal is terrible, but then I decided to make fun of how you think Derek Roddy is famous because your friends all know him. Yeah yeah Joe. Let's see, 90% of the people that have posted in this thread know who Derek Roddy is. He's not 'FAMOUS' but he is a fairly well known drummer. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 10:26am - Anthony nli ""] Instead of freaking out over this royalty check thing, have you guys ever thought that Roddy's annual take was so low because Erik Rutan has the songwriting credits? (I'm not 100% sure of this, but Rutan definitely seems to be the core of that band.) Just because someone plays on a record doesn't mean they get an equal cut of the royalties. And while I very much agree that Roddy is an amazing musician, I am with Josh about the fact that skill does not entitle someone to money. I mean it sucks that talentless metalcore hacks make a killing while Roddy gets a pittance, but any Death Metal musician should know from the start that actually making decent money off his music requires more than just skill, but also luck, business sense and the ability to write good songs. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 10:36am - RustedAngel ""] Anthony nli said:Instead of freaking out over this royalty check thing, have you guys ever thought that Roddy's annual take was so low because Erik Rutan has the songwriting credits? (I'm not 100% sure of this, but Rutan definitely seems to be the core of that band.) Just because someone plays on a record doesn't mean they get an equal cut of the royalties. And while I very much agree that Roddy is an amazing musician, I am with Josh about the fact that skill does not entitle someone to money. I mean it sucks that talentless metalcore hacks make a killing while Roddy gets a pittance, but any Death Metal musician should know from the start that actually making decent money off his music requires more than just skill, but also luck, business sense and the ability to write good songs. I agree with you Anthony, You're probably right about Rutan getting more money. Now if Josh had come into this thread saying what you did rather than basically saying that key musicians in death metal DON'T deserve to make a good living is lame. Yeah, everyone knows it's not a good way to make a living and that it's difficult, no shit. That doesn't make it right. You're almost saying people playing pop music actually deserve to be making millions of dollars. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 11:00am - Anthony nli ""] RustedAngel said:Anthony nli said:Instead of freaking out over this royalty check thing, have you guys ever thought that Roddy's annual take was so low because Erik Rutan has the songwriting credits? (I'm not 100% sure of this, but Rutan definitely seems to be the core of that band.) Just because someone plays on a record doesn't mean they get an equal cut of the royalties. And while I very much agree that Roddy is an amazing musician, I am with Josh about the fact that skill does not entitle someone to money. I mean it sucks that talentless metalcore hacks make a killing while Roddy gets a pittance, but any Death Metal musician should know from the start that actually making decent money off his music requires more than just skill, but also luck, business sense and the ability to write good songs. I agree with you Anthony, You're probably right about Rutan getting more money. Now if Josh had come into this thread saying what you did rather than basically saying that key musicians in death metal DON'T deserve to make a good living is lame. Yeah, everyone knows it's not a good way to make a living and that it's difficult, no shit. That doesn't make it right. You're almost saying people playing pop music actually deserve to be making millions of dollars. yeah I agree that it majorly sucks for Roddy and is unfair. I think it has always pretty much been this way: artistic talent is overlooked for mediocre schlock that can sell popularly. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 11:23am - RustedAngel ""] Anthony nli said: yeah I agree that it majorly sucks for Roddy and is unfair. I think it has always pretty much been this way: artistic talent is overlooked for mediocre schlock that can sell popularly. "yeah, but it's just boring death metal it's always been that way and ALWAYS SHOULD BE a money pit." - Josh Martin |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 11:27am - Josh_Martin ""] RustedAngel said:Anthony nli said:Instead of freaking out over this royalty check thing, have you guys ever thought that Roddy's annual take was so low because Erik Rutan has the songwriting credits? (I'm not 100% sure of this, but Rutan definitely seems to be the core of that band.) Just because someone plays on a record doesn't mean they get an equal cut of the royalties. And while I very much agree that Roddy is an amazing musician, I am with Josh about the fact that skill does not entitle someone to money. I mean it sucks that talentless metalcore hacks make a killing while Roddy gets a pittance, but any Death Metal musician should know from the start that actually making decent money off his music requires more than just skill, but also luck, business sense and the ability to write good songs. I agree with you Anthony, You're probably right about Rutan getting more money. Now if Josh had come into this thread saying what you did rather than basically saying that key musicians in death metal DON'T deserve to make a good living is lame. Yeah, everyone knows it's not a good way to make a living and that it's difficult, no shit. That doesn't make it right. You're almost saying people playing pop music actually deserve to be making millions of dollars. You completely misunderstood what I was saying. No need to get all defensive about your death metal hero. I wasn't saying anything bad about him at all. You hate me so much that you lose your reading comprehension. That rules. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 11:31am - Josh_Martin ""] RustedAngel said:Anthony nli said: yeah I agree that it majorly sucks for Roddy and is unfair. I think it has always pretty much been this way: artistic talent is overlooked for mediocre schlock that can sell popularly. "yeah, but it's just boring death metal it's always been that way and ALWAYS SHOULD BE a money pit." - Josh Martin Ok, Tom is so unbelievably stupid I guess I'm going to have to explain what I thought was obvious. If you can make a living off playing death metal, good for you. A handful of bands have pulled it off. The problem is that when you become dependant on it to survive, you automatically become corrupted. A guy in a band who also has a day job can do whatever the fuck he wants to because it doesn't matter if he makes any money. He has total artistic freedom. Once the music becomes your bread and butter, you are forced to change it in order to keep the money rolling in. That wasn't a complete explanation but I'm not writing a thesis here. If Tom Tom can't figure it out now, maybe Anthony can help him out. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 11:33am - Josh_Martin ""] I also love how Tom can talk shit about my old band but I can't say anything about his, because I've never heard it, I've never heard anyone talk about it at all, and I most likely never will. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 11:34am - Josh_Martin ""] Also, it was a good point about Rutan writing all the songs, I didn't think of that. I co-wrote about 95% of the songs we recorded when I was in AC. |
| _______________________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 11:34am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] We're talking about this guy, right? [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 11:44am - anonymous ""] Josh_Martin said: All I was saying is that death metal is not a good way to earn a living, nor should it be. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 11:48am - ra nli ""] Josh_Martin said:I also love how Tom can talk shit about my old band but I can't say anything about his, because I've never heard it, I've never heard anyone talk about it at all, and I most likely never will. I love how you say I talk shit about your old band when you're the one who brings that band into any argument trying to make yourself look better. I would think you'd be able to figure out by now that it doesn't impress me. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 12:41pm - eddie(nli) ""] ra nli said:Josh_Martin said:I also love how Tom can talk shit about my old band but I can't say anything about his, because I've never heard it, I've never heard anyone talk about it at all, and I most likely never will. I love how you say I talk shit about your old band when you're the one who brings that band into any argument trying to make yourself look better. I would think you'd be able to figure out by now that it doesn't impress me. He's not trying to impress anyone; he's just playing with you. Why do you start with Josh every chance you get? Stop being a bitch whenever he enters a thread, you're the one that tried to piss him off when he told posted his opinion. It's not even like his opinion was bullshit. You were just trying to be a dick, and now you're making your self look stupid. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 12:47pm - DEATH2ALL ""] BornSoVile said:YO ERIK RUTAN, GET TIM YEUNG IN THERE, GET DOUG CERRITO IN THERE, AND MAKE US ANOTHER CONQUERING THE THRONE!!! That would be the best thing to ever happen to that band |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 12:49pm - RustedAngel ""] eddie said: He's not trying to impress anyone; he's just playing with you. So why can't I play back? :spineyes: The rest of your post isn't worth a response. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 1:00pm - eddie(nli) ""] the rest of my post was Rhetorical. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 1:04pm - DEATH2ALL ""] Anthony nli said:Instead of freaking out over this royalty check thing, have you guys ever thought that Roddy's annual take was so low because Erik Rutan has the songwriting credits? (I'm not 100% sure of this, but Rutan definitely seems to be the core of that band.) Just because someone plays on a record doesn't mean they get an equal cut of the royalties. And while I very much agree that Roddy is an amazing musician, I am with Josh about the fact that skill does not entitle someone to money. I mean it sucks that talentless metalcore hacks make a killing while Roddy gets a pittance, but any Death Metal musician should know from the start that actually making decent money off his music requires more than just skill, but also luck, business sense and the ability to write good songs. Who cares about the royalties? Him & Rutan own a recording studio together, they're biz partners. I'm sure they sunk alot of $$ into it & it's probably the biggest reason for his debt. Yes he's an amazing drummer, and has many endorsements, but he still pays for his equipment. It costs a lot of money to put new heads on those drums & he probably shreds 2 or 3 pairs of sticks a day. It's expensive for him to go on the road. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 29,2006 1:45pm - RustedAngel ""] Other statements from Derek: "Well the first thing I need to be active with is....... paying off the $20,000 debt that I put myself in by touring...............AGAIN. I will be focusing on the clinics and website for quite a while!!! I've got the Blotted Science project with Ron and Alex, that's coming along really good, so You will hear alot more music from me this way." "Well, I wouldn't say that HE made any financial burden that I didn't bring on myself for doing this so long. I have high monthly bills personally. We DID have the opportunity to "make money" but, call it "bad luck" or "karma" or whatever! I still haven't made enough to cover my monthly bills. THAT'S how I got in debt. It had nothing to do with HE and the idea behing it....I just can't afford to do it anymore. I don't want to hold Eric and Randy back from doing HE if they want, So I felt it was best if I left. I had a medical "scare" this last month and it really put things into perspective. I realized I didn't have any health insurance!!!!I can't afford it!!!! It forced me to make a life change. What can I say? I can't afford to make bad decisions about my life anymore." |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 30,2006 10:50am - anonymous ""] I think TIM YEUNG SHOULD BE THE BEST DRUMMER FOR HATE ETERNAL. Tim recorded the best stuff for them. Derek is very good but i think Yeung is better. Hate Eternal needs to have Tim Yeung. |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 19,2006 2:19pm - THE_INEXORABLE ""] Guys, it does not matter who is who. I am Julian, for example, but none of you will remember it ever. I play in two bands, both from Bulgaria - black and Death MEtal. I love death metal! I love Derek\ |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 19,2006 2:20pm - THE_INEXORABLE ""] Derek's style I meant ... this is fokin short answer ;) |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 19,2006 3:04pm - the_reverend ""] I don't follow that... link your bands please. |