Does anyone else have this problem when booking shows in your area? If so ~ how do you resolve it? I don't know what else to do.
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[Apr 23,2006 3:19pm - MonikaHBBSI ""]
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: mark
Date: Apr 13, 2006 9:42 AM
you guys booking green milk, genghis tron, etc on the same night as Acid Mothers Temple... i work with promoters to prevent overlapping and i make sure not to book a show to fuck someone else over..
i know you cant move the show but honestly my shows been booked for well over a month.
waay before that show was booked.
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My Reply:
Apr 23, 2006 12:16 PM
Subject:
RE: i dont appreciate...
Body:
Wow, Mark, I must admit that I am a bit surprised to read what you just sent us. What was THAT all about?
"i work with promoters to prevent overlapping and i make sure not to book a show to fuck someone else over.."
What? Who do you get in touch with? Please explain to me how you go about this because you have never worked with us or asked us about anything that we have planned or booked. I have absolutely no idea what you mean by the above statement.
What makes you think that we booked this show to fuck you over? The bands came to us looking for a show because they are touring and we wanted to help them like we always try to do because we know what it's like being in a band and trying to find shows to play. It didn't even enter my mind to see what you had going on because I had given up on working with you by then. We decided to help them out and put a show on for them. This is not any different from any other time that we have set up shows for touring bands.
Truthfully, I am really surprised that you are presenting what is bothering you in such a hostile way because I personally have tried to get in touch with you to get to know you, to work with you and to collaborate on shows. From our correspondence months back I thought you were into it too and then I came to the SUNNO))) show and I tried introducing myself but you were not interested in speaking to me so I got the hint and left you alone. I must admit that I was disappointed. I don't know what happened between the emails and the SUNNO))) show but I would love to find out. When you needed a PA, because the one you had lit on fire at that show, Robbiey and I were ready to go home and get ours for you to use. After the show, I came up to you guys and said thank you for the show because we really did have a great time.
In our correspondence months ago, what I didn't mention to you was my main reason for wanting to work with you and having an open line of communication and that was TO AVOID CONFLICT. Exactly what is happening now is what I was trying to avoid. I wanted you to see that we are not in it for anything other than to have a good time and to provide a safe venue where bands can play for an audience and get some gas money to get them to their next show. I wanted you to know that we think putting on shows should not be a territorial thing, nor an elitist thing, and it definitely should not be a competition. No one is getting rich off of it, we are nothing but passionate about what we do, and I believe collaborating and working together would make for better shows. Especially because we are in the same part of the state so we would not be competing for the same audience which I think makes no sense.
I THOUGHT that you wanted to work WITH us on booking. (I have included our past correspondence at the end of this email because it seems that you have forgotten all about them. And now it's obvious to me that you were just talking shit when I thought you were being sincere about doing things together.)
Maybe you can shed some light on what exactly your problem is with us, as I feel I have tried everything possible to work with you and have gotten nowhere. You are representing yourself very unprofessionally and your accusations are simply ridiculous. You need to get off your elitist and pretentious high horse, come down to earth, and realize that throwing temper tantrums is not ever going to get you anywhere with anyone with perhaps the exception of your parents.
Remember the Kill the Client show? Remember when you needed a venue last minute? We put that show on in our basement with 2 hours notice because you forgot to book the venue. And then word gets back to us that "Manic Productions hates HBBSI because they don't treat bands fairly" What is that all about? Who are you talking about? What bands complain? I'd love to know so I could resolve any issues with them personally, not through you. Mark, anytime you talk shit abut us it does get back to us and Robbiey and I think it's funny because it is never based on anything solid.
I don't believe in indirect ways of resolving conflicts but I wanted to address this matter ASAP. I hate drama, I have absolutely no time for it. I encourage you to call myself or Robbiey if there is anything else you feel the need to address. I will be more than happy to talk to you on the phone or to meet you in person.
Monika Majewska
Human Bone Bicycle Sciences Industries
860.XXX.XXXX
Past emails to refresh your memory:
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Human Bone Bicycle Sciences Industries
Date: Sep 14, 2005 10:51 AM
I have been in contact with Rick and thought I'd say Hi to everyone else and introduce myself. My name is Monika and I am one of the vocalists for Human Bone Bicycle Sciences Industries. Just like you we also book shows in CT. Most of our shows are at Cherry Street Station in Wallingford and are 21+ because Cherry Street is a bar.
Your Kill the Client show got moved to our basement a while back, I don't know if you remember.
CT is so funny. We've been booking at Cherry Street Station for a little while now and it's been really hard to get people to come out. The draw back to that venue is that it's 21+ but we don't have to pay to rent it out so all $ goes to the soundman and bands.
Would you be interested in working with us on shows?
We would like to do something where we put a 6 band show together and split the bill so that 3 bands you guys want to put on will play and 3 that we want to book a show for will also play. What do you think?
There is no pressure. It doesn't have to be for a while, I just wanted to put it out there. I'm new to booking and everything in this scene so I don't even know a lot of bands but I'm learning and working hard on this booking thing.
We are planning on going to your show on Thursday. It looks like a great lineup. I've never seen any of the bands so I'm excited. Hopefully we will get to meet in person then!
We have Psyopus coming through on Sept 23rd at Cherry Street. I hope you can come down!
Take Care and feel free to call either Robbiey or myself if you want to talk about it!
Monika 860.XXX.XXXX
Robbiey 860.XXX.XXXX
Take Care and Thanks for Your Time,
Monika
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Manic Productions
Date: Sep 14, 2005 1:20 PM
hey thanks for the message!!
so you want to maybe do shows together at the cherry street place? i would love to help! i just got rudy's bar in new haven Alabama Thunderpussy, should be cool!
im trying to break into new places and work with other promoters so this is awesome!!
what show are you going too? we have a show on friday! in wolcott if that is what you are talking about.. it should be AWESOME.
def introduce yourself at the show on friday, we can chat and become awesome friends
i wanna see Psyopus so i hope to make that show. sorry that i suck at writing emails.
def. keep in touch.
thanks again for messaging me
-mark
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Human Bone Bicycle Sciences Industries
Date: Sep 14, 2005 2:09 PM
Hi Mark!
Thanks for getting back to me right away! Everything sounds super cool! Yeah, Fridays show in Wolcott is the show I was talking about. How can I get the $10 tickets?
Monika
860.XXX.XXXX
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Manic Productions
Date: Sep 14, 2005 2:18 PM
you can get them online!
http://www.etix.com/ticket/online/performa..._id=298150&cobrand=manicproductions
unfortunetly service charges are $1.25 or something i think (with toad's its like $4.25 but i told them i need it cheap as possible)
so its basically the same price.. its more for like if the show is going to sell out (and so when you buy advanced tickets.. if the advance price is cheaper you dont end up paying more than the actualy price.. did that make since>?)
do you have any ideas for cherry street or should i just contact you about it when i get something i think would be cool there? or do you wanna do locals... let me know!
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Human Bone Bicycle Sciences Industries
Date: Sep 14, 2005 2:22 PM
ok, so we'll just get tickets when we get there. We're interested in doing everything. I'm more concerned about getting a steady thing going so that when people come through on tour we have a community for them to play for instead of stressing out about finding people to attend. I'll talk to you about it on Friday!
Thanks Again!
Monika
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Hello!
Body:
yeah i hear ya. but its hard though. i mean i have shows where i have 15 kids and that have 300. it pretty much depends on the bands playing, the weather, etccc.
do you have a mysapce for cherry street yet? you should! we have over 2,000 friends on the manic myspace and its a really good tool to get the info out there
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Human Bone Bicycle Sciences Industries
Date: Sep 28, 2005 9:42 AM
Hello!
I just wanted to get in touch with you and tell you how upset I am that I missed the Daughters show. We had that NYC show the following night and were working with new members to get the material right, and then it got really late, and then we decited that we would probably miss them.
THEN the next day we ended up cancelling the NYC show because the new guitar player had heart palpitations!
The whole thing was just so sad because we NEVER cancel shows! But I felt really bad, I mean what if something bad had happened to him in NYC, you know? Well, he had to wear a heart monitor for a few days but I guess he is OK and that's the important thing. I'm just very worried because he is very young!
I just keep thinking anout how if I knew we would have to cancel the show the following day, we would not have practiced as long and we would have been able to see the Daughters show!!! And meet YOU!!! So yeah, it was not a very good week.
I've calmed down now and I hope that you are still interested in working with us in the future. Let me know what you have going on and if we can help!
As far as working together, besides keeping us in mind for booking touring bands, let us know if you have any shows coming up that you have spots open for that we might be able to fill for you.
The Psyopus show we hosted last Friday went well, I love that band! We're playing with them again in RI on Oct. 16th if you would like to go. It's far, I know, but I figured I'd let you know!
I hope you have been well!
Take Care,
Monika
HBBSI
860.XXX.XXXX
RE: Hi Mark!
Body:
hey! im sorry to hear about your new guitarist, i hope he is okay!
i wish i could go see you guys and Psyopus play on the 16th but we have a show :( but have fun im sure that show is going to be awesome! and im glad your show went well too.
i gotta jet but keep in touch! we shall meet soon im sure!
thanks! talk to you soooooon
-mark
[Apr 23,2006 3:24pm - Joe/NotCommon ""]
I use to coordinate dates with Anne to prevent double booking nights, but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
Since it's a tour, it's strange for him to get mad at you because it's not like you picked the date. When people book shows with all local bands opposite a night with touring bands then I could see complaining.
[Apr 23,2006 3:26pm - weymouthrock ""]
only a chick would waste that much time arguing. a simple "get fucked" would have been much more effective
[Apr 23,2006 3:29pm - MonikaHBBSI ""]
Yeah, I don't get it.
Hopefully he'll realize he's being stupid.
I am personally not happy because I would like to go see our show and his show because I like Acid Mothers Temple. It would be awesome if we could merge the two and make it one show but it's on a Wednesday night so that would be hard and I don't think he'd go for it.
[Apr 23,2006 3:31pm - MonikaHBBSI ""]
weymouthrock said:only a chick would waste that much time arguing. a simple "get fucked" would have been much more effective
Well, this "chick" would like to see this resolved. It would save me time in the future. But thank you for your opinion.
[Apr 23,2006 3:39pm - Joe/NotCommon ""]
Just do your thing Monika
[Apr 23,2006 3:42pm - MonikaHBBSI ""]
Thanks, Joe. I can't help it anyway so I guess I'll just go with the flow.
[Apr 23,2006 4:22pm - sinistas ""]
Wow, some people need to calm the fuck down. So there's multiple shows on the same night. Big deal.
[Apr 23,2006 4:29pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""]
sinistas said:Wow, some people need to calm the fuck down. So there's multiple shows on the same night. Big deal.
pretty much, and even with it being a weekday these bands would go good together. some people are just tooo highstrung
[Apr 23,2006 4:30pm - sinistas ""]
totally
[Apr 23,2006 4:33pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""]
i mean besides our difference we worked with HBBSI a number of times last year and theyre usually every open to booking ideas so i dont know where this dood is coming from
[Apr 23,2006 4:35pm - Joe/NotCommon ""]
HBBSI is currently looking for summer shows, let me know if anyone wants to have them play one of your gigs. They are guaranteed to destroy all your fans.
[Apr 23,2006 4:38pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""]
Joe/NotCommon said:HBBSI is currently looking for summer shows, let me know if anyone wants to have them play one of your gigs. They are guaranteed to destroy all your fans.
id say yes but i believe they have an anti-me clause
[Apr 23,2006 4:41pm - Joe/NotCommon ""]
Thats okay, you can still book KA, SOA and BandR
[Apr 23,2006 4:44pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""]
i was planning on it, but i still havent seen bugs and rats and would like to. not having a car at the moment limits my show going ability though. im actually trying to find a venue for a couple of july shows ill def have Kevorkians on if theyre available for it.
perhaps one day HBBSI and TS will do a show together
[Apr 23,2006 5:17pm - MonikaHBBSI ""]
This is what he wrote back:
Apr 23, 2006
Subject:
RE: RE: i dont appreciate...
Body:
Your blowing everything out of proportion.
"Manic Productions hates HBBSI because they don't treat bands fairly".... ive never said that... and i HAVE been meaning to work with you guys or at least do a show with human bone... and when I say work with you I mean maybe we can co-promote something one time at cherry street and then at the legion maybe... throwing around ideas is never a bad thing.
i am in contact with james arbys, subversive productions, rick omonte and other people who put on shows... i try not to overlap on stuff you guys do as well.. but we lost touch i dont know why..
also, the kill the client show was a show Rick did and Manic promoted.. this was before he was even in Manic.
"I wanted you to know that we think putting on shows should not be a territorial thing, nor an elitist thing, and it definitely should not be a competition.".... what are you talking about? i think its AWESOME that you guys are putting on shows in Wallingford as well. It's great that other people are doing things in CT.
"It didn't even enter my mind to see what you had going on because I had given up on working with you by then.".... I don't think that is really a way to think about it. Why create a situation where shows draw away from other shows when it can usually be avoided? I personally always try and see what other promoters have going on before I confirm a show.
I have never personally talked shit about ANY of you guys... EVER.
I've been told that Rob has talked shit about Manic though and i'd like to know why.
This is a big confusion and I really don't know why you are making all these assumptions.
I'm not territorial... it just doesnt make sense to really book a band like green milk in the same town as Acid Mothers Temple that was booked before it... thats all.
Also, I was wasted out of my mind at SUNN 0))) and the whole thing was stressful as hell so i dont even really remember the conversation.. but it wasnt that i was interested.
talk to you soon.
-mark
[Apr 23,2006 5:53pm - MonikaHBBSI ""]
My response ~ hopefully it's all resolved!:
Mark,
I wish there was a way that we could merge the shows at perhaps a larger venue? It sucks because it's during the week so starting a big show like that earlier would not work. I'll look into it if you are interested. I really want to resolve this and make both of us happy. But if it doesn't work out then in the future it would be great to collaborate. There is no annimocity on our side, I was just taken aback by how angry you were and how harsh your email was. I see now that you are not really that unreasonable. Robbiey has no problems with you, he feels the same way I do. If he had anything to say about you he is the kind of person that would bring it to you.
Monika
[Apr 23,2006 6:01pm - BestialOnslaught ""]
Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
[Apr 23,2006 6:01pm - BestialOnslaught ""]
weymouthrock said:only a chick would waste that much time arguing. a simple "get fucked" would have been much more effective
Oh yeah, this too!
[Apr 23,2006 6:17pm - Joe/NotCommon ""]
It is June 24th Alex, if it happens. Thats the date they wanted
[Apr 23,2006 6:20pm - BestialOnslaught ""]
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
[Apr 23,2006 6:21pm - BestialOnslaught ""]
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
BestialOnslaught said:Joe/NotCommon said:but nobody else really cares around here so I just do what I want.
If you book that show on June 24th, I will drive to Quincy and cut you into small, bite-sized pieces, and feed them to Marsi!
[Apr 23,2006 6:23pm - BestialOnslaught ""]
This is not a joke!
[Apr 23,2006 6:26pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
But who are you talking about?
[Apr 23,2006 10:16pm - no one gives a shit ""]
SCENE DRAMA
I'm not even gonna bother reading that CT BS
[Apr 23,2006 10:19pm - davefromthegrave ""]
no one gives a shit said:SCENE DRAMA
I'm not even gonna bother reading that CT BS
but it's important! the internet is serious business!
[Apr 24,2006 11:29pm - CTborderpatrol ""]
this thread is giving me AIDS :tightiewhities:
[Apr 25,2006 4:49pm - The whole thing seems a bit fucked if you ask me... ""]
Who gives a fuck, it's not like more than five people will show up at the Human Bone show anyway. No one gives a shit about watching someone slap together 5 second songs made up on the spot. Combine that with five minutes of rambling between songs about how they respect women, that shit is just for PC scene cred. I'd rather do something productive like wash my socks or step off the shit ledge...
Get Fucked!
[Apr 25,2006 5:01pm - The truth will destroy you ""]
MonikaHBBSI said:My response ~ hopefully it's all resolved!:
Robbiey has no problems with you, he feels the same way I do. If he had anything to say about you he is the kind of person that would bring it to you.
Monika
Haha, like when I asked Robbie if he was going to the Goatwhore show Manic was putting on and his response was that he wanted the Manic kids dead.
Robbie isn't the kind of guy who will tell you to your face. He's the kind of guy who acts like he's your best friend and talks massive amounts of shit behind your back. And when he does say something to your face, he talks circles untill you will do anything to make him stop, like agreeing with him.
I know all of us can remember the time he threw a park bench at Shaun from Throwing Shrapnel, because that's what he told everyone that wasn't there.
[Apr 25,2006 5:10pm - CTborderpatrol ""]
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[Apr 25,2006 5:24pm - Josh_Martin ""]
davefromthegrave said:but it's important! the internet is serious business!
AIDS.
There, I mentioned AIDS on the internet. Therefore, AIDS is no longer serious business.
RISING GAS PRICES
Hey look, rising gas prices are on the internet. Thank God I don't have to worry about that anymore
It must be awesome living in Dave's universe where all you have to do is mention something on the internet and it no longer becomes important.
[Apr 25,2006 6:03pm - Anthony nli ""]
its ok to book mutiple shows in one night, especially a weekend night. it doesnt even really matter at all if the genres don't overlap too much.
[Apr 25,2006 7:08pm - the_reverend ""]
Im not going to read all that.
but you do know that mark posts here?
[Apr 25,2006 7:23pm - KeithMutiny ""]
I dont remember sean having a bench thrown at him.
[Apr 25,2006 7:58pm - Blame it on ninjas ""]
Whoops, it looks like a link to this thread is on the Manic Productions board as well. If Mark doesn't read it here he can find it quickly on that board.
[Apr 26,2006 9:33am - CTborderpatrol ""]
oops
[Apr 26,2006 9:39am - the_reverend ""]
I read part of this and got that alex and joe have a date and that's about it.
[Apr 26,2006 2:52pm - fuckface ""]
does mark even book small regional bands? when does a massachusettes band or new york band or new jersey band who doesnt have a hip indie buzz about them ever get to play a manic productions show?
also, when is this kid going to stop pocketing the money he makes and actually give it to the bands who played his show and got people to go?
i know he has guarantees and all but that doesnt mean he has the right to give a band $20 when 200 people show up and pay $10 for a show.
he seems like a scared little kid middle man who really wants people to like him but he loves money more than he does the music he promotes.......
mark posts here????? OH NO!!!!!!!!!!! HE WILL FIND OUT WE HATE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Apr 26,2006 3:19pm - manicmark ""]
i dont pocket money from shows. thats a real joke.
i price my shows as CHEAP AS POSSIBLE... and it is not my fault the bands im getting have guarantees. But I always try and pay all the bands at least gas money.
and i book bands from mass, NJ and NY all the time actually. But is it my fault I try and help CT bands opening for bigger acts? i dont think so, seeing as im booking in CT.
What show did I give a band $20 when 200 people showed up? I'd really like to know...
I'd really like to know what I am doing to piss people off, obviously not my intentions... just putting together shows. Everyone needs to chill out.
I'm sure anything I say is going to be argued so posting this is probably pointless.
[Apr 26,2006 3:23pm - SteveOTB ""]
Well in reality bands & the promoter are supposed to get money. Obviously the promoter of the show should get something for their hard work with getting a venue, contacting all the bands, advertising, and what not so I feel they should get something but the bands should probably get more because no bands no show no money.
[Apr 26,2006 3:32pm - manicmark ""]
If a band wants to play a show for us, they can contact me DIRECTLY about it.
If a band impresses me and I like them, of course I'll consider them for a show. If I have a slot that would work for them, then I'll make it work.
Keep in mind I don't just book metal shows. I'm into a lot of genres of music and I only do a few shows a month... so it's hard to help everyone.
I have no grudge against anyone and I really don't understand why something like this would be posted on a board... really not a way to handle things.
[Apr 26,2006 3:33pm - SteveOTB ""]
From my personal experiences if 200 kids showed up at $10.00 each the show should pull in a minium of $2,000.00 unless there's a ton of people on a guest list. Also if it was at a hall show you need to factor in how much the halls cost to rent. For the bigger size ones they're close to $400.00 where I live so that's $1,600.00 left, also most of the time people pay for cops for security and they can charge up to $60.00 an hour so for 4 hours that's $240.00 so now we're down to $1,360.00. Basically if there's 5 bands and 1 promoter spit it up 6 ways and each band will receive $226.00 each. It's hard to promise band over $300.00 in my opinion because it's hard to determin how many people will attend the show. IMO I think promoters need to really do their homework to see where the band's fan base is and the potential amount of draw. But of course even with some of the bigger bands if no advertising is done then nobody will show if they don't know.
[Apr 26,2006 3:48pm - rickreaction ""]
I can help clear this up real fast: Mark is a jew. Everyone who said anything negative about Mark is a white supremacist. And then I say other sweeping unfounded generalizations and allegations. Oh yea, and I read this board occassionally too (a lot less since not booking any metal shows since that sunn one since since since since).
[Apr 26,2006 3:53pm - manicmark ""]
http://www.manicproductions.org/bb/ ???
our sunn0))) show ruled
[Apr 26,2006 4:34pm - anonymous ""]
Guess what everyone. "Robbiey" is a pathological liar. 99% of the stuff that comes out of his mouth is some of the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard. I thought HBBSI was getting signed to 1000 different labels according to that guy. If you dont see it now, you sure will in the future.
[Apr 26,2006 4:41pm - Joe/NotCommon ""]
HBBSI is on notcommon records, I destroyed all the other labels who were interested in them
[Apr 26,2006 6:05pm - anonymous ""]
Joe/NotCommon said:HBBSI is on notcommon records, I destroyed all the other labels who were interested in them
You should change the name of your label to "Not going anywhere records" because that is what your label and bands are all doing. Or how about, "Notverygood records", Maybe "Notactualmusic records" give it a chance I think those may suit you a little better. HBBSI sucks.
[Apr 26,2006 6:23pm - mosh ""]
don't be gay, change your show!
[Apr 26,2006 8:26pm - thewrench ""]
Mark doesnt make any money off his shows, trust me I've been there dozens and dozens of times when he hasnt broken even. Mark does alot of bigger tour packages and some of them are more pricey then people realize (we're talking $500-2000+).
Take into account he has to pay for: the hall rental, sound guy, promotion fees, food and water for bands, etc...
[Apr 26,2006 10:38pm - Black fucking stool ""]
Mark is one of the few kids in CT who books nowadays, and his shows are LEGIT.
[Apr 27,2006 12:14pm - anonymous ""]
this is arbys mark as well as myself in ct make hardly any money on shows. we do bigger national tours which cost anywhere from 1000-4000$. we do it to bring these acts in halls not fucking bitch as venues. i have lost 1000's of dollars. thats why we put local ct bands on them instead of out of state because that would just add more money we dont have. just be happy you got people like me and mark and stop taking shit for granted
[Apr 27,2006 12:29pm - RichHorror ""]
Wow, now fast food chains are posting on RTTP? Aaron's blowing up.
I wish there was an Arby's near me.
[Apr 27,2006 12:41pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""]
hahahaha...leave it to rich horror to make any thread hilarious.
[Apr 27,2006 12:54pm - deadgirlsdiary ""]
i love HBBSI
[Apr 27,2006 12:56pm - RichHorror ""]
I love Arby's. Also, In & Out Burger. Get to work on that shit, Massachusetts.
[Apr 27,2006 1:19pm - GoatOfCatalyst ""]
James Arbys = awesome CT show-doer. While you're all talking shit, taking shit for granted... perhaps contributing, fuck if i know (well, most of you probably AREN'T), James and Mark are busting their asses bringing both quality and quantity to the CT area, which as we all know, has been a fucking musical DESERT for quite some years now. And quite often, these dudes are paying out of their pocket to do so. Give some respect, ignorant worms.
[Apr 27,2006 1:20pm - the_reverend ""]
4:12.5 from the book for ryan.
[Apr 27,2006 1:22pm - GoatOfCatalyst ""]
say what brother?
[Apr 27,2006 1:24pm - RichHorror ""]
For what it's worth, this thread is the first bad word I've heard about that Mark dude, EVER.
[Apr 27,2006 1:27pm - GoatOfCatalyst ""]
Mark is a top-shelf quality dude. And I'm not just saying that because I'm biased that most of his shows are like, five blocks from my house and I can walk down the street and see great bands that I used to have to leave the fucking state to see. And now he's got fucking Boris coming to that same spot - how fucking awesome is that... seriously?
[Apr 27,2006 1:47pm - zach lewin ""]
james is my roomate. he barely ever makes money, he did misery signals and lost money. suicide silence lost money. shit happens all im trying to say is i like human bone. i like manic mark i like james arbys and i like wae...
[May 12,2006 12:06pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""]
excuse me.
i think i lost your number robbie, could you give me a call