PANTERA BEHIND THE MUSIC
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[May 4,2006 11:06pm - SACAPAPADOO ""]
On May 11, VH1 is going to air a Behind The Music episode on Pantera.
[May 4,2006 11:26pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
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[May 4,2006 11:26pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
P A N T E R R I B L E
[May 4,2006 11:28pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
A quote from a friend: "I should also let it be known that I do NOT like PANTERA. I fucking hate them and they are not influential, listenable OR innovators. They are not the "heaviest fuckin' band, brah!" OR are they an essential "Metal" band. They are the prime example of false Metal and are fucking fakes, ripoffs and trend hoppers. Fuck this band."
[May 4,2006 11:28pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""]
dwyer, we all know you have a shrine in your basement with your pantera posters torn out of mid-90s hit parader magazines. it's time to seek help!
[May 4,2006 11:29pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
Totally.
[May 4,2006 11:29pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
I was an EXHORDER fan before I even knew who PANTERRIBLE were.
[May 4,2006 11:30pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""]
i hear ya. i like pantera, but i definitely love exhorder more, especially since pantera pretty much only exists as a non-glam band because of their influence from exhorder. to each his own.
[May 4,2006 11:40pm - Sacreligion ""]
Pantera fucking rules, always have and always will. they are untouchable masters of pure against the grain american fucking metal. everyone loves Pantera, even if you say you dont.
[May 4,2006 11:41pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
:pukeface:
[May 4,2006 11:42pm - Yeti ""]
oops i posted under the wrong name, i wont speak for mike, but i know he'd agree.
[May 4,2006 11:43pm - SeedBassist ""]
ehh to each his own. I love Pantera, but I'm not about to bash people who don't like them. I feel the same way about Nirvana that dwyer feels about Pantera.
[May 4,2006 11:44pm - CNV ""]
I look forward to it
[May 4,2006 11:52pm - mOe nli ""]
SeedBassist said: I feel the same way about Nirvana that dwyer feels about Pantera.
THAT'S different, Nirvana was an awful band that got their entire sound from other bands...nothing was original about that band at all. Christ, the main riff in Come as You Are was pulled note for note from a Killing Joke song.
I wouldnt say Pantera innovated Metal too much, but Dime was a hell of a guitar player and they made brutal Heavy Metal in the mainstream when a lot of bands really weren't
[May 4,2006 11:53pm - brian_dc ""]
I will always like Nirvana, whateva whateva.
[May 4,2006 11:55pm - SeedBassist ""]
mOe nli said:SeedBassist said: I feel the same way about Nirvana that dwyer feels about Pantera.
THAT'S different, Nirvana was an awful band that got their entire sound from other bands...nothing was original about that band at all. Christ, the main riff in Come as You Are was pulled note for note from a Killing Joke song.
I wouldnt say Pantera innovated Metal too much, but Dime was a hell of a guitar player and they made brutal Heavy Metal in the mainstream when a lot of bands really weren't
I agree with you about Nirvana, I was just stating that, much like Dwyer getting shit for hating Pantera...I'm constantly getting shit for my hatred of Nirvana
[May 5,2006 12:00am - Yeti ""]
yeah i dont give a flying hoot what anyone says. Far Beyond Driven will forever remain the greatest metal album in existence in my mind.
[May 5,2006 12:01am - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
I would listen to NIRVANA for a year straight before I would listen to PANTERRIBLE for 24 hours.
[May 5,2006 12:02am - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
Death To False Metal.
[May 5,2006 12:04am - SeedBassist ""]
AUTOPSY_666 said:I would listen to NIRVANA for a year straight before I would listen to PANTERRIBLE for 24 hours.
This shit runs deep huh?
[May 5,2006 12:25am - CNV ""]
They still had more fun than Dwyer will ever have
Ohhhhhhhh, snap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[May 5,2006 12:32am - Sacreligion ""]
i agree with yeti
[May 5,2006 12:33am - Sacreligion ""]
P A N T E R R I F I C
[May 5,2006 2:14am - josh fucking hates you ""]
Yeti said:yeah i dont give a flying hoot what anyone says. Far Beyond Driven will forever remain the greatest metal album in existence in my mind.
i know it's in your mind and all but how can it be the best metal album ever when it's not even the best pantera album? vulgar all day. i don't think i catually ever listened to a whole pantera cd besides vulgar, cfh, fbd.
[May 5,2006 2:51am - PatMeebles ""]
I wonder how much time they'll spend on the first four album...
[May 5,2006 3:04am - Sacreligion ""]
4 hours
[May 5,2006 9:02am - Jugulator ""]
I like some Pantera.Their far better than the Metalcore thats out today.
RIP Dimebag
[May 5,2006 10:19am - Morbid Mike BMR ""]
Regardless of whether you like Pantera or despise them the fact remains Pantera next to Metallica was and still is one of the BIGGEST metal acts to ever exist. Pantera was on a level that none of us will ever see again let alone expierence. Every 5 or 6 years you have to have a band like that try and bring the heavier stuff mainstream ie (the black dahlia murder) now BDM is in no way as big as Pantera but they are certainly on the forefront of making heavier music more mainstream whether this is good or bad is a whole new argument.-Morbid
[May 5,2006 10:21am - Morbid Mike BMR ""]
Also people are naive to think that Pantera ripped off any band cause the fact is no matter how shitty you may think they are all metal as we know it started with Sabbath!-Morbid
[May 5,2006 10:27am - Yeti ""]
josh fucking hates you said:Yeti said:yeah i dont give a flying hoot what anyone says. Far Beyond Driven will forever remain the greatest metal album in existence in my mind.
i know it's in your mind and all but how can it be the best metal album ever when it's not even the best pantera album? vulgar all day. i don't think i catually ever listened to a whole pantera cd besides vulgar, cfh, fbd.
to me its their shining moment. but dont get me wrong, i am not saying Vulgar or CFH or GSTK or RTS are sub-par, its just my favorite.
[May 5,2006 10:37am - SACAPAPADOO ""]
pantera=god size and i agree with morbid mike on that, they were the smacks in the face of all the faggot pussy shit that was around back then ie metallica, duran duran, basically all the 80s and early 90s bands. they would put on shows were the first 3 bands were pussy lala shit that all basicaly sounded the same then out comes pantera pre-blown and tottally wasted and they tore shit up,regardless of the post CFH albums they were still heavier than any other band at the time and they still today this day stand out, whether you love em or hate em they are the biggest milestone in metal history. btw fuck black dahlia were the fuck do you come up with that bull shit statement?!
[May 5,2006 10:39am - Yeti ""]
AUTOPSY_666 said:Death To False Metal.
i would definitely label Black Dahlia Murder as false metal. this whole slew of At The Gates wannabes all fall under that category.
[May 5,2006 10:46am - soloman ""]
pantera was a good time.
[May 5,2006 11:04am - SACAPAPADOO ""]
i respect people for having their own beliefs, but holy shit you cannot consider any of these black dahlia bull shit bands as being true metal fuck that, fuck em all and there bull shit music. its poison and all these metal core pussys are fucking eating it. They are the vultures of music feeding on other peoples bull shit, riping each other off pausing the metal music evolution and i feel thats the reason why it all sounds the same, between emo lala music and nu metal core bull shit were stuck in a musical paradox, its not even music man its the fucking labels wanting to "take a chance" and promote somthing "heavier" and thats bull shit. you either do it right or dont do it at all, fucking pussys.......
[May 5,2006 2:33pm - rotivore ""]
EXPLAIN THE DEFINITION OF FALSE METAL............I don't get it....
[May 5,2006 2:53pm - GoatOfCatalyst ""]
Bullet For My Valentine = false metal
Trivium = false metal
[May 5,2006 3:32pm - pam ""]
Love Pantera, can't wait to see this.
[May 5,2006 3:32pm - rotivore ""]
GoatOfCatalyst said:Bullet For My Valentine = false metal
Trivium = false metal
oh, i don't even consider those bands metal at all. so again, what is false metal? i consider pantera to be a metal band, so what makes them "false"?
[May 5,2006 3:45pm - pam ""]
Pantera IS a metal band. Just because some cunt doesn't like a band, doesn't mean they are not a heavy metal band.
[May 5,2006 3:45pm - pam ""]
generally "false" is a term skinny virgins in corpse paint use for bands that sell more than 20 CDs.
[May 5,2006 3:59pm - Sacreligion ""]
pam either has the world's largest hammer or a nail with the world's largest head
[May 5,2006 4:31pm - dreadedsilence ""]
pam said:generally "false" is a term skinny virgins in corpse paint use for bands that sell more than 20 CDs.
hahaha :NEWHORNS:
[May 5,2006 4:44pm - Josh_Martin ""]
How could any but the biggest posuer in the world think Pantera was ever the heaviest band around???
Even if you had never heard of the underground, Slayer was around way before Pantera and Pantera never did anything as heavy as Hell Awaits or Reign in Blood.
This thread is like Poseur entrapment.
[May 5,2006 4:47pm - Christraper ""]
Dimebag played his guitar like a champ. Id be lying if I said I wasnt at least slightly influenced by him.
[May 5,2006 4:56pm - Y_Ddraig_Goch ""]
I never got into the whole redneck, southern, drink ya beahs and smoke ya weed metal.
All I can say is that Pantera is no where near as great as Iron Maiden
[May 5,2006 5:21pm - SACAPAPADOO ""]
Y_Ddraig_Goch said:I never got into the whole redneck, southern, drink ya beahs and smoke ya weed metal.
All I can say is that Pantera is no where near as great as Iron Maiden
i hate you
[May 5,2006 5:37pm - BestialOnslaught ""]
Kurt Cobain was a musical Einstein compared to anyone ever associated with that dumb redneck jock rock band.
[May 5,2006 7:07pm - Jugulator ""]
Kurt Cobain was just a loser dopfiend.How can u guys compare Queervana to Pantera?
[May 5,2006 8:43pm - dwellingsickness ""]
Pantera and Nirvana both suck ass in their own special way
[May 5,2006 8:45pm - pam nli ""]
Josh_Martin said:How could any but the biggest posuer in the world think Pantera was ever the heaviest band around???
Even if you had never heard of the underground, Slayer was around way before Pantera and Pantera never did anything as heavy as Hell Awaits or Reign in Blood.
This thread is like Poseur entrapment.
Did someone say that? I liked Pantera and all, but they are nowhere NEAR the heaviest band around.
[May 5,2006 8:49pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
PANTERA = Godfathers of Nu-Metal
[May 5,2006 11:16pm - Aegathis ""]
AUTOPSY_666 said:PANTERA = Godfathers of Nu-Metal
Ill have to agree with ya there, most nu metalers got all their riffs from them, but theyre still way better than any nu metal band.
[May 5,2006 11:42pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
It's still bottom of the barrel meathead jock bullshit crap.
[May 6,2006 4:04am - dwellingsickness ""]
They must not have let you set up a Merch table at one of their shows, huh?...You seem aweful mad
[May 6,2006 4:08am - RichHorror ""]
I hope this has footage of Diamond Darrel getting shot in the face that I can masturbate to.
[May 6,2006 4:41am - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
For you Rich, don't chafe!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a4dvXMbxY4
[May 6,2006 4:43am - RichHorror ""]
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
A fall-down laugh riot, everytime.
[May 6,2006 4:46am - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
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Nice pink shirt.
[May 6,2006 4:47am - RichHorror ""]
I am mortified no one has redone The Meatmen's "One Down, Three To Go" as a tribute to this band.
[May 6,2006 4:53am - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
I want to hire Nathan Gale impersonators to go to PANTERA tribute band shows.
[May 6,2006 1:11pm - BlackoutRick ""]
AUTOPSY_666 said:I was an EXHORDER fan before I even knew who PANTERRIBLE were.
Bullshit.
[May 6,2006 2:24pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
I don't really see what was so great about Exhorder either. Granted, they had some good energy and some good riffs, but they were nothing special compared to all the vastly superior late 80s thrash acts at the time.
Pantera. Well, they have had a few good guitar riffs (on the first two 'heavy' albums) that, had anyone else played them, I doubt we'd be seeing cries of Exodouchebag or Artilleraunchy, and a singer who has done his best work with another band, that is about all I can say. The novelty of Pantera (particularly Phil Anselmo's lame ass must-be-drug-addict-and-loud-mouthed-tough-guy-for-controversy's-sake attitude) wore thin after high school. When they opened for Suicidal Tendencies (and Exodus I think?) at the Channel in 1990 they played a good set. That's all I've got, there were so many better bands to concern myself with and the same holds true today.
[May 6,2006 2:54pm - Anthony nli ""]
DrinkHardThrashHard said:I don't really see what was so great about Exhorder either.
It hurts to read that. The Law has some of the coolest riffs and best vocals ever!
[May 6,2006 7:26pm - dwellingsickness ""]
BlackoutRick said:AUTOPSY_666 said:I was an EXHORDER fan before I even knew who PANTERRIBLE were.
Bullshit.
I too was an exhorder fan way before ever hearing of Pantera, I think I first heard them when Far Beyond Driven came out. There was so much killer stuff between Exhorder's Slaughter of the vatican in 1990, and Pantera in 1994 , that I guess i just missed out on pantera, oh well. wasn't too big of a loss. Maybe living in south florida at that time and the death metal scene down there had something to do with it also:NEWHORNS:
[May 6,2006 9:52pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
Anthony nli said:DrinkHardThrashHard said:I don't really see what was so great about Exhorder either.
It hurts to read that. The Law has some of the coolest riffs and best vocals ever!
Is there some other pressing of the album than the one I have? Because these vocals are not very good, and the lyrics are some of the most pedestrian I have ever read:
turn a deaf ear to all of
your
previous hearings so I can
tell you
the truth...
here we come to defy
all we have in mind is us
and all the rest is refuse
so you can stay or turn
away
what's mine is mine
and hers is mine
and his is mine
and yours is mine
that's the fact
I can recall a time when I
was young and was
taught to do
what is socially
acceptable
such a shit receptable
well, fool, I don't know
about you
but I'm gonna get some of
that pie
[May 7,2006 12:16am - Anthony nli ""]
The lyrics don't look great typed out but it's the way he delivers them that makes them awesome. I must have a very different taste in vocals than you because I think he's an ideal vocalist.
[May 7,2006 2:43am - craigforacurse ""]
pam said:generally "false" is a term skinny virgins in corpse paint use for bands that sell more than 20 CDs.
HAHA THAT IS AWESOME!
[May 7,2006 3:57am - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
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http://exhorder.tripod.com/main.html
[May 7,2006 10:28am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
I'm not surprised that he's wearing that shirt, they were from the same state and I remember Phil himself telling my friends and I to check them out (among other bands). That's actually how I got my first Exhorder cassette. As much as I loathe what that guy became, one thing I can't gripe about is that he's always been into underground music and still is.
Their vocals are indeed similar (I think moreso than the riffs, drums, etc). But here is my confusion, and this has always troubled me because there has always been that 'Pantera sucks they ripped off Exhorder' thing going on for the past 14-15 years:
If Kyle's vocals are great, then why are the Pantera vocals terrible? Surely they are similar, but by this same reasoning, aren't all death and black metal vocals post-1990 also ripoffs? I just can't wrap my mind around why this logic applies to Pantera but not to those 5,373,365 other bands. Is it because they sold out stadiums, made a lot of money and a lot of fans, but Exhorder couldn't even last for three albums?
I know I'm playing the devil's advocate here, anyway, the Pantera 'defense' is at an end, because I have so many other better reasons to dislike that band than because they were influenced by Exhorder.
[May 8,2006 9:03am - Anthony nli ""]
yeah I agree, if you're going to hate on Pantera it's better just to leave Exhorder out of it.
Imagine if you put all that time and energy into your band and released two killer albums and then 10 years later the only way people remember you, most having never even heard you, is to say that another band ripped you off? Exhorder (at least Kyle Thomas, from an interview I read) hate that shit and wish people would stop it. Plus, it's not like there's bad blood or resentment between the two bands.
The reason why Exhorder broke up and never made it big is because Roadrunner screwed them over, not because Pantera stole their success.
[May 8,2006 9:40am - ConquerTheBaphomet ""]
I have to admit, I've never heard Exhorder. I've heard OF them but never their music. Where would I find their music so I can make a valid and sophisticated answer to why Pantera did this or that?
[May 8,2006 10:00am - xmikex ""]
I hate Phil Anselmo
I hate his vocals
I hate every lyric he ever wrote
I hate every stupid haircut he ever had
I hate that stupid pose he does on the cover of Cowboys From Hell
I hate all the dumb shit he says in between songs
I hate that stupid sour puss bass player, "Rex" what the hell kind of name is that?
I hate Pantera's ENTIRE fanbase
I hate everyone who's ever yelled "PANTERA" at a show that Pantera didn't play
I hate their stupid clean vocals
I hate when meathead teenage couples think Cemetary Gates is "their song."
I hate any Joe Christianni looking motherfucker who ever thought Walk was the personal soundtrack to his life
I hate the end of Walk when Phil Anselmo goes "You talkin to me.....I'm not home boy"
I hate anyone that ever took Pantera lyrics seriously
but when you weed out all the bullshit, and disregard Reinventing The Steel they wrote some outstanding music, Dime was the absolute man, and Far Beyond Driven is still a mega sweet album.
but anyone who ever thought Pantera is now, or was ever the "kings of metal" (a title I always abhored) is in a Joe Christianni poser coma.
[May 8,2006 10:18am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
All great reasons to hate Pantera in my opinion
[May 8,2006 10:19am - ConquerTheBaphomet ""]
Actually at the end of "Walk", Phil says "You talkin' to me? Walk on home boy."
[May 8,2006 10:21am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
And that's exactly what he's thinking as he counts his bread while reading all our anti-Panti sentiments.
[May 8,2006 10:24am - ConquerTheBaphomet ""]
HaHa
[May 8,2006 10:30am - Yeti ""]
Pantera are in fact the Kings of Metal. Slayer assumes that role, but it definitely goes to Pantera. fuck what you have to say.
[May 8,2006 11:05am - kessaris ""]
you know what I love...
is when all the people who don't really do too much with themselves come out of the woodwork to bash Pantera. Then I hear the music they make and it's fucking awful. It winds up being just ambiant noise that is neither coherent nor worthy of a second listen. Fact of the matter is that Pantera made more money touring and making albums and just having fun than everyone on this thread combined. Including myself.
So the next time someone wants to say hey, Pantera sucked, or Pantera was gay in the 80's 'cause they were a hair band...just throw on Far Beyond Driven and think of the STrip Club they bought 'cause they made that album.
Nirvana sucks...different story altogether
Fact is Dimebag had more talent than any of his bashers...so pissoff sister and get me some pretzels
[May 8,2006 11:27am - xmikex ""]
kessaris said:you know what I love...
is when all the people who don't really do too much with themselves come out of the woodwork to bash Pantera. Then I hear the music they make and it's fucking awful. It winds up being just ambiant noise that is neither coherent nor worthy of a second listen. Fact of the matter is that Pantera made more money touring and making albums and just having fun than everyone on this thread combined. Including myself.
what an absolutely dumb reason to defend a band. And I actually like Pantera.
Sadam Hussein had more money than me from doing what he did, and I don't like him.
Wayne Newton could fit my apartment in his bathroom, and I don't respect him.
Rupert Murdock could buy, and sell me a hundred times over, and he's still a son of a bitch.
50 Cent has more money per buck tooth then I make in a year. STILL.. the ASPCA puts 1,000 homeless cats to sleep every day that have more talent then him.
thats like kids who try to say Eastcide was a worthwhile band because they played on TV. Big shit.
[May 8,2006 11:29am - xmikex ""]
ConquerTheBaphomet said:Actually at the end of "Walk", Phil says "You talkin' to me? Walk on home boy."
That makes about as much sense. I guess he couldn't ennunciate too well with Richie Sambora's balls in his mouth.
[May 8,2006 11:38am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
No kidding, by the very same logic, Avril Lavigne has more talent than Pantera because she makes a lot of money touring and making albums, moreso than Pantera did, and she is having more fun than all of us. I don't think that argument always works.
[May 8,2006 11:41am - xmikex ""]
Celiene Dion, Jennifer Lopez, Barbara Striesand, Oprah Winfrey
ALL make more money than Pantera, and by that logic are better.
don't work.
[May 8,2006 11:42am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
I forgot Oprah....she is actually far heavier than Pantera too.
:Drum roll:
I'm sorry.
[May 8,2006 11:42am - pisscup ""]
I remember sometime back in the late eighties or early nineties when I was at some party watching headbanger's ball and a Pantera video came on. I was like "who the hell are these poseurs???" I never paid much attention to them after that. They didn't come from my scene and they never made it in to my scene. All they did was convince a bunch of kids who didn't know better that they were true.
[May 8,2006 1:02pm - Josh_Martin ""]
"Cowboys From Hell" is the gayest album title ever.
That's really all I have to add to this thread.
[May 8,2006 1:11pm - BlackoutRick ""]
kessaris said:you know what I love...
is when all the people who don't really do too much with themselves come out of the woodwork to bash Pantera. Then I hear the music they make and it's fucking awful. It winds up being just ambiant noise that is neither coherent nor worthy of a second listen. Fact of the matter is that Pantera made more money touring and making albums and just having fun than everyone on this thread combined. Including myself.
So the next time someone wants to say hey, Pantera sucked, or Pantera was gay in the 80's 'cause they were a hair band...just throw on Far Beyond Driven and think of the STrip Club they bought 'cause they made that album.
Nirvana sucks...different story altogether
Fact is Dimebag had more talent than any of his bashers...so pissoff sister and get me some pretzels
Brilliant!!
[May 8,2006 1:15pm - Yeti ""]
if Pantera was still around and touring, and say hypothetically they were at any one of any of your shows, and they really enjoyed your music and asked you to play with them, you would be all over their nuts in a heartbeat. the only reason anyone bashes Pantera is solely because of jealousy. they did what you cant.
[May 8,2006 1:18pm - Kinslayer ""]
xmikex said:"You talkin to me.....I'm not home boy"
He says "walk on home boy"...still a pretty dumb lyric, for sure; just thought I'd clarify that.
[May 8,2006 1:40pm - xmikex ""]
somebody beat you to it dude
[May 8,2006 1:46pm - xmikex ""]
Josh_Martin said:"Cowboys From Hell" is the gayest album title ever.
That's really all I have to add to this thread.
Is it as gay as writing a song of the same title and filling it with a bunch of old tyme wild west speak? I dunno.
WE'RE TAKIN OVA THIS TOWWWWN
[May 8,2006 1:47pm - xmikex ""]
Yeti said: the only reason anyone bashes Pantera is solely because of jealousy. they did what you cant.
that's right.
NONE of you could have ever started a band as bad as Viking Crown.
Get jelous.
[May 8,2006 1:49pm - dftg ""]
xmikex said:kessaris said:you know what I love...
is when all the people who don't really do too much with themselves come out of the woodwork to bash Pantera. Then I hear the music they make and it's fucking awful. It winds up being just ambiant noise that is neither coherent nor worthy of a second listen. Fact of the matter is that Pantera made more money touring and making albums and just having fun than everyone on this thread combined. Including myself.
what an absolutely dumb reason to defend a band. And I actually like Pantera.
Sadam Hussein had more money than me from doing what he did, and I don't like him.
Wayne Newton could fit my apartment in his bathroom, and I don't respect him.
Rupert Murdock could buy, and sell me a hundred times over, and he's still a son of a bitch.
50 Cent has more money per buck tooth then I make in a year. STILL.. the ASPCA puts 1,000 homeless cats to sleep every day that have more talent then him.
thats like kids who try to say Eastcide was a worthwhile band because they played on TV. Big shit.
this post was awesome.
[May 8,2006 2:22pm - Josh_Martin ""]
Yeti said:if Pantera was still around and touring, and say hypothetically they were at any one of any of your shows, and they really enjoyed your music and asked you to play with them, you would be all over their nuts in a heartbeat. the only reason anyone bashes Pantera is solely because of jealousy. they did what you cant.
Wrong.
They were all wicked cool people to hang out with, but musically they knew how I felt. And they were cool enough not to care.
[May 8,2006 3:07pm - Sacreligion ""]
pantera is far greater than anything you could ever achieve or hope to even dream of
[May 8,2006 3:13pm - Yeti ""]
Josh_Martin said:Yeti said:if Pantera was still around and touring, and say hypothetically they were at any one of any of your shows, and they really enjoyed your music and asked you to play with them, you would be all over their nuts in a heartbeat. the only reason anyone bashes Pantera is solely because of jealousy. they did what you cant.
Wrong.
They were all wicked cool people to hang out with, but musically they knew how I felt. And they were cool enough not to care.
well i guess that just solidifies the fact that they suck. i guess i'll just throw out my Pantera cds.
[May 8,2006 3:14pm - Yeti ""]
xmikex said:Yeti said: the only reason anyone bashes Pantera is solely because of jealousy. they did what you cant.
that's right.
NONE of you could have ever started a band as bad as Viking Crown.
Get jelous.
ok i will give you that. Viking Crown does in fact suck.
[May 8,2006 3:28pm - Josh_Martin ""]
Yeti said:Josh_Martin said:Yeti said:if Pantera was still around and touring, and say hypothetically they were at any one of any of your shows, and they really enjoyed your music and asked you to play with them, you would be all over their nuts in a heartbeat. the only reason anyone bashes Pantera is solely because of jealousy. they did what you cant.
Wrong.
They were all wicked cool people to hang out with, but musically they knew how I felt. And they were cool enough not to care.
well i guess that just solidifies the fact that they suck. i guess i'll just throw out my Pantera cds.
Huh? All I was saying was that just because you would kiss a popular bands ass doesn't mean everyone else would too.
[May 8,2006 3:33pm - Yeti ""]
meh. i dont care either way, its just fun to get everyones panties in a bunch. and dont lie, AC was all up on Panteras nuts.
[May 8,2006 3:48pm - Josh_Martin ""]
I don't speak for AC. All I'm saying is I made it very clear that I don't like Pantera and never did. (until I got all their 80's albums, I like those)
[May 8,2006 4:21pm - BornSoVile ""]
let's do this thing in style....
[May 8,2006 4:28pm - Sacreligion ""]
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[May 8,2006 5:49pm - Killer Kaduggan ""]
this whole thread's got zackleys
[May 8,2006 6:09pm - dreadkill ""]
i was just talking with a friend about how awful viking crown was.
[May 8,2006 6:14pm - dreadkill ""]
pam said:generally "false" is a term skinny virgins in corpse paint use for bands that sell more than 20 CDs.
ha, that ruled.
[May 8,2006 6:47pm - kessaris ""]
xmikex said:kessaris said:you know what I love...
is when all the people who don't really do too much with themselves come out of the woodwork to bash Pantera. Then I hear the music they make and it's fucking awful. It winds up being just ambiant noise that is neither coherent nor worthy of a second listen. Fact of the matter is that Pantera made more money touring and making albums and just having fun than everyone on this thread combined. Including myself.
what an absolutely dumb reason to defend a band. And I actually like Pantera.
Sadam Hussein had more money than me from doing what he did, and I don't like him.
Wayne Newton could fit my apartment in his bathroom, and I don't respect him.
Rupert Murdock could buy, and sell me a hundred times over, and he's still a son of a bitch.
50 Cent has more money per buck tooth then I make in a year. STILL.. the ASPCA puts 1,000 homeless cats to sleep every day that have more talent then him.
thats like kids who try to say Eastcide was a worthwhile band because they played on TV. Big shit.
go drink a beer and shut up 'cause I could really careless about your vagina
[May 8,2006 6:52pm - kessaris ""]
I hate it when people don't quote the whole post. Had I been in Anthrax this would have been on blabbermouth.net already
[May 8,2006 6:55pm - brian_dc ""]
I don't mind the partial quote...makes it clear what is being responded to.
[May 8,2006 6:56pm - brian_dc ""]
"Message:
you are ab-using blah blah blah to reply to artfuckpushingpins.
Please remove excess text as not to re-post tons"
also, it's what Sir Rev enjoys.
[May 9,2006 8:09am - xmikex ""]
kessaris said:go drink a beer and shut up 'cause I could really careless about your vagina
first of all "care less" is two words. and the phrase is "couldn't care less"
second, everyone is joking with eachother about pantera. you're the only one getting mad... about Pantera. take a Midol and chill out, you look foolish.
[May 9,2006 8:34am - poopsmcgee ""]
DrinkHardThrashHard said:I forgot Oprah....she is actually far heavier than Pantera too.
:Drum roll:
I'm sorry.
hahaha
[May 9,2006 9:29am - mcmahon ""]
Decades of Rock LIVE 2006 - Philip Anselmo performing Would?
let the bashing begin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Niia9PaFsxA
[May 9,2006 2:28pm - ConquerTheBaphomet ""]
Has anyone ever noticed in Pantera's videos and such that Phil always has that look on his face..the look that hardcore kids give when they're getting tough and are gonna kick some ass.. You know what I'm talking about?
Phil is a douche bag
[May 9,2006 2:42pm - danny p nli ""]
all i know is that those zubaz pants make me want to go watch sandman wrestling videos on repeat
[May 9,2006 2:44pm - ConquerTheBaphomet ""]
HaHAHAhAhaha
[May 9,2006 3:09pm - metalguy ""]
Dimebag Darrell came up with cooler guitar riffs than you.
Rex shut his mouth most of the time.
Vinnie Paul has solid and tastful playing.
and Phil had some of the best heavy metal singing around at the time. Fact of the matter is. You cannot start to sing like him without at least 3 or 4 people noticing who you are influenced by... Right away. Same goes for Dimebag.
I love how most of you guys won't even recognize talent in spite of the consensus. It doesn't matter really what you think about the band itself. If a band is selling that much music. And touching that many people at once. THEY HAD TO HAVE BEEN DOING SOMETHING RIGHT!!!
In ten years I will still remember Pantera..... In ten years I won't remember any of this local shit music! Neither will any of you. Grow up and stop trying to make up reasons to hate them. Stop trying to cover up the jealousy. Just admit and know that they are a group of people that should not be ignored and written off as fakes.
[May 9,2006 3:25pm - Sacreligion ""]
i'll still remember all of this local music
but i see your point
[May 9,2006 4:35pm - SeedBassist ""]
metalguy said:In ten years I will still remember Pantera..... In ten years I won't remember any of this local shit music! Neither will any of you.
Woah buddy, don't put down an entire music scene just because a handful of people don't enjoy Pantera...that's just not cool
[May 9,2006 5:42pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
I'd like to thank Phil for spawning every goddamn awful metalcore vocalist ever.
[May 9,2006 5:52pm - anonymous ""]
xmikex said:kessaris said:go drink a beer and shut up 'cause I could really careless about your vagina
first of all "care less" is two words. and the phrase is "couldn't care less"
second, everyone is joking with eachother about pantera. you're the only one getting mad... about Pantera. take a Midol and chill out, you look foolish.
you're trying to make me look foolish #1
#2 you're one of those guys who knitpicks incorrect spellings.
#3...why am I wasting my time? There is a perfectly good groin that needs ascratchin'
#4 ...there is no #4
#5 stop quoting me
#6 don't respond to anything I say
hasta
[May 9,2006 5:53pm - kessaris nli ""]
that was me, forgot to login
luckily I had the word right in front of me, ptherwyse I would have prob bably misspelltit
[May 9,2006 6:02pm - kessaris nli ""]
I forgot, #7
I'm not mad at all about Pantera, I was just trying to make the detractors feel bad about themselves
you on the otherhand seem to have some sort of vendetta against me for some reason. I don't know what it is, but I don't really care either. You're the one who said something. So, what am I to do, take it on the chin or respond? I'll respond? So umm, I've said what I wanted, now I guess it's your turn. Just say it, don't quote me and then pick me apart, thats what e-fedders do...
[May 9,2006 6:08pm - Asshole Police ""]
metalguy said:
In ten years I will still remember Pantera..... In ten years I won't remember any of this local shit music! Neither will any of you. Grow up and stop trying to make up reasons to hate them.
This actually works out well, since no one here will ever remember you either.
Some people don't like Pantera, for reasons they feel are valid. YOU grow up and stop masturbing to your Phil posters, go leaf through Metal Edge and discover your next favorite band, you goddamned pop metal gusher.
[May 9,2006 7:13pm - metalguy ""]
I like how you resorted to trying to offend me by refurring to subpar magazines, and band worship. Instead of getting defensive.. And trying to insult my musical tastes. Just try and take something from what I said previously.
[May 9,2006 7:29pm - metalguy ""]
If you want to make fun of me further let me provide you with some actual ammo this time. Since that last comment seemed like you were really struggling.
I like to listen to Charlie Parker, Jaco Pastorius, Cannibal Corpse, Killswitch Engage, Shadow's Fall, Carcass, Morbid Angel, and Victor Wooten. I think Joe Satriani is over rated, as well as Steve Via. I think Pophyria is alright and I would rather listen to Cryptopsy. I read bass player magazine. I play the Tenor Sax. I am a music geek.. All I do is read music and play bass. I don't have a girlfriend and I don't care either. I know I am not going anywhere with my musical career. But I am going for it anyways. Because music is what I love.
If you cannot muster anything of quality(which I am almost positive you won't be able to) after reading that then you are sad.
[May 9,2006 7:46pm - anonymous ""]
Metalguy kicks ass!!
[May 10,2006 10:22am - xmikex ""]
kessaris nli said:you on the otherhand seem to have some sort of vendetta against me for some reason.
I'LL SEE YOU IN HELL, GUY I DON'T KNOW... IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!
[May 10,2006 10:27am - xmikex ""]
metalguy said:And touching that many people at once.
And for that same reason, everyone will always remember Michael Jackson
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[May 11,2006 9:24pm - mcmahon ""]
10pm tonight
[May 11,2006 10:14pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
Hahahahahahahaha!
[May 11,2006 11:01pm - Sacreligion ""]
phil anselmo = the perfect model as to why you shouldn't do heroin
[May 11,2006 11:24pm - SeedBassist ""]
Sacreligion said:phil anselmo = the perfect model as to why you shouldn't do heroin
Amen to that. I enjoyed the episode. Sucks that everything ends on a sour note, and not just wth Dime's death....the fact that Phil and the Abbot family will pretty much never reconcile with each other. As much as an arrogant prick Phil can be, and as much as he fucked alot of things up in regards to Dime and Pantera...It does seem as if he feels horrible about what happenned. Everybody says shit out of anger sometimes, and everybody says things they wish they could take back. Unfortunately for Phil, he'll never have the opportunity to apoligize to Dime, and he just wants to make things right with Vince and Rita...and you can't fault a man for wanting that.
[May 11,2006 11:27pm - yummy ""]
I think just the amount of conversation about Pantera on this board says enough. Whether you like them or not you're all talking about them. They made some impact on you so HA!
[May 11,2006 11:29pm - SeedBassist ""]
yummy said:I think just the amount of conversation about Pantera on this board says enough. Whether you like them or not you're all talking about them. They made some impact on you so HA!
Good form.....good form indeed
[May 12,2006 12:05am - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
Nathan Gale made the most impact.
[May 12,2006 12:10am - SeedBassist ""]
AUTOPSY_666 said:Nathan Gale made the most impact.
Dude, honestly....that's just not cool. Having an opinion is one thing, and believe me, I have no problem with the fact that you don't enjoy Pantera's music. But poking fun at someone's death is just not cool. Regardless of how you felt about the music.....he's still a human being
[May 12,2006 12:11am - SAC VALASYRKA NLI ""]
it was beautiful than it became real when they went from phils addiction to footage of dimes death.
im seriously moved and ive found my call... as a musician im am going to put my balls to the test and revolutionize music like pantera did!
fuck you if you didnt learn anything from this and congrats to thoose who were moved.
lets do this shit brothers and sisters..metal music will reign again and we will be togeather!!
[May 12,2006 12:14am - SAC VALASYRKA NLI ""]
AUTOPSY_666 said:Nathan Gale made the most impact.
by the fucking way that makes me sick and ive never heard of some person who is and forever will be hated as much as that peice of shit motherfucking psycho nathan " i am a fucking pussy who wants to ruin the world of metal music" gale. fuck you.
[May 12,2006 12:32am - anonymous ""]
if he had never died...no one would care about him....
damageplan would have faded away and the only way they would make a comeback would be to re-form pantera.
and still....no one would think dime was a "genius" unless he was dead.
i'm not downing his playing ability...it's far greater than mine....but....
why does everyone care about someone they didn't even know?
sure, what happened to him was tragic...but I don't give a fuck cause I didn't know him.
pantera has a big fan base...but they are NOTHING special within the realm of metal.
there's far better and more influential bands out there.
this is just as ridiculious as people crying over kurt cobain, 2 pac, etc, etc.
[May 12,2006 1:19am - Sacreligion ""]
people considered him a guitar god while he was still alive so there's one reason you look like an ass
and if you look at metal in general, not just "underground metal," they are one of the most influential bands of the genre...they came out with pure balls to the wall metal when it was nowhere to be found as far as media coverage is concerned...they were a massive worldwide phenomena that metal hasn't seen since their passing
[May 12,2006 2:26am - Cecchini ""]
anonymous said:if he had never died...no one would care about him....
damageplan would have faded away and the only way they would make a comeback would be to re-form pantera.
and still....no one would think dime was a "genius" unless he was dead.
i'm not downing his playing ability...it's far greater than mine....but....
why does everyone care about someone they didn't even know?
sure, what happened to him was tragic...but I don't give a fuck cause I didn't know him.
pantera has a big fan base...but they are NOTHING special within the realm of metal.
there's far better and more influential bands out there.
this is just as ridiculious as people crying over kurt cobain, 2 pac, etc, etc.
people were all about Dime/Pantera when he was alive, so I disagree with your first statement. I will say that all these lame-o bands that do Pantera tributes during their shows and stop the song when it gets up to the solo part *cough throwdown cough* don't give a shit about dime. I mean, in the years before his death he was still winning all these awards in fan voted mags across the world.
people care about someone they don't know because they looked up to him or felt some sorta inspiration from music he made. you probably have people you don't know in your life that if they died tomorrow would be a downer on your day.
how you judge influence is all a matter of opinion. Pantera broke mainstream and thus had a wider and broader range of people to influence. So while there are better bands with better players out there, some 13 year old kid who hasn't figured how to get access to these bands had a better chance of hearing a Pantera song and being influenced by that, and eventually he will come across these 'better' bands. As much as I can't stand any era of Metallica new or old, I won't deny that they were one of the bands that got me into metal when I was younger because it was so easy to get access to it, and through that I found tons of bands I consider better and bands that have influenced me truly.
As far as how special they are in metal, that's all opinion to. Some might see them as really great song writers and others might not, thats up to the listener because song writing is all personal opinion.
As far as comparing his death to 2pac/Cobain... Well, Cobain took the cowards way out and shot himself when he was supposed to be raising a child, he was a pussy and thats all there is to it. As much as people here hate rap and what not, 2pac was murdered and his death should be mourned like Dimes. I know alot of people here say "oh he was just another rapper who rapped about this this and that", but keep in mind rappers have a different background and culture and is the message in rap songs really so much worse than what is said in black/death metal songs? I'm getting side tracked, but I will say that I can't recall any rappers killing and eating each other, and how much different was the 2pac/Biggie situation from what the Dime/Phil situation was becoming?
Anyway.
So regardless of what your personal opinion is on someone like Dime, or 2pac I guess, you can't deny that because of their mainstream success they were able to influence a large amount of people that they normally wouldn't have had access to in the underground scene. And because they were killed in circumstances beyond their control and because they placed so much inspiration in people, you have to expect that people are going to mourn them and remember them like they knew them even if they never did.
fin.
[May 12,2006 2:30am - SeedBassist ""]
Ohh Cecchini, you have a way with words.
you brought some good points. Dime WAS an inspiration to many people. Even if you don't like him, you should still show respect and realize that he was killed doing something that many people on this board do, which was performing the music he wrote and he loved...i'm sorry, but that is not an act deserving of murder
[May 12,2006 2:56am - davefromthegrave ""]
I like Pantera, and so, just as i do with any other band that I like, I don't give a fuck how anyone else feels about them.
[May 12,2006 3:23am - powerkok ""]
Dimebag bashers are either closet homosexual kitten beaters, or have tiny penises that cannot please a woman or many small anused men.
[May 12,2006 8:10am - xmikex ""]
SAC VALASYRKA NLI said:ive found my call... as a musician im am going to put my balls to the test and revolutionize music like pantera did!
can't wait.
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picture that guy playing Type O Negative 'black #1', that's all i can think of.
[May 12,2006 8:11am - xmikex ""]
davefromthegrave said:I like Pantera, and so, just as i do with any other band that I like, I don't give a fuck how anyone else feels about them.
bingo! :duffbeer:
[May 12,2006 8:11am - Morbid_Mike ""]
powerkok said:Dimebag bashers are either closet homosexual kitten beaters, or have tiny penises that cannot please a woman or many small anused men.
Have to agree w Jess on this one Dime was a martyr for Metal!
[May 12,2006 10:32am - Yeti ""]
who gives a flying fuck what some piece of shit has to say. that Behind the Music was jaw dropping. it was the most intimate look at THE GREATEST METAL BAND OF ALL TIME. seeing that footage of Dimes death was one of the most difficult things i've ever seen. i have to say the thing that irks me the most is the fact that Phil wasnt allowed at his funeral. you know, what was said wasnt cool, but it was said out of anger and despair. for a few measly years they were angry at each other, but for 20 fucking years they were like brothers. i thought that was wrong of them. this further solidified my love for Pantera, and all you fucks that talk shit about Dime being killed, you know, i can understand not liking Panteras music, but mocking cold blooded murder is wrong. what if your brother was shot to death and someone started making fun of it? you'd fucking flip. Pantera was, and always will be more than 99% of us can ever dream to be. their legacy will live on when you are rotting on a couch after a failed life.
[May 12,2006 11:07am - dreadedsilence ""]
Yeti said:who gives a flying fuck what some piece of shit has to say. that Behind the Music was jaw dropping. it was the most intimate look at THE GREATEST METAL BAND OF ALL TIME. seeing that footage of Dimes death was one of the most difficult things i've ever seen. i have to say the thing that irks me the most is the fact that Phil wasnt allowed at his funeral. you know, what was said wasnt cool, but it was said out of anger and despair. for a few measly years they were angry at each other, but for 20 fucking years they were like brothers. i thought that was wrong of them. this further solidified my love for Pantera, and all you fucks that talk shit about Dime being killed, you know, i can understand not liking Panteras music, but mocking cold blooded murder is wrong. what if your brother was shot to death and someone started making fun of it? you'd fucking flip. Pantera was, and always will be more than 99% of us can ever dream to be. their legacy will live on when you are rotting on a couch after a failed life.
pretty much the same thing i was thinking. what really bothered me was when Dime's wife said she told Phil that she'd "blow his fucking head off" herself if he showed up to the funeral. it's a sad thing when a tragedy like this should be bringing the abbotts and phil closer to resolving their issues, but instead it's fueling their feud.
[May 12,2006 11:43am - danny p nli ""]
yeah dimes wife seemed like a royal bitch. total texas trash
[May 12,2006 12:39pm - HailTheLeaf ""]
They spent too much time dwelling on Dime's death..and damn they made Phil look bad...it's all the way it was put together, we'll never really know how shit went down.
[May 12,2006 2:56pm - rotivore ""]
phil made himself look bad. and he talks like he's mentally retarded
[May 12,2006 2:57pm - Sacreligion ""]
heroin will do that
[May 12,2006 3:01pm - rotivore ""]
SAC VALASYRKA NLI said:it was beautiful than it became real when they went from phils addiction to footage of dimes death.
im seriously moved and ive found my call... as a musician im am going to put my balls to the test and revolutionize music like pantera did!
fuck you if you didnt learn anything from this and congrats to thoose who were moved.
lets do this shit brothers and sisters..metal music will reign again and we will be togeather!! best of luck
[May 12,2006 3:08pm - rotivore ""]
phil statement about someone beating dimebag is what set off that schizophrenic Gale to kill him. the guy claimed to be phil, showing up at a band practice and passing off pantera lyrics as his own. im sure that kid read that issue of metal hammer, and being not right in the head, thought it was a call to action to hurt or kill dimebag. and thats what why dimebags family hate phil, as they should. put yerself in vinnie pauls shoes. reading that statement one day, dead brother the next.
[May 12,2006 3:20pm - hungtableed ""]
I fucking hate pantera, talk about total CHEEZE metal!
"punk! are you talking to me"
"Get back.....Go away..."......oh wait thats godsmack.
[May 12,2006 3:22pm - dreadedsilence ""]
rotivore said:phil statement about someone beating dimebag is what set off that schizophrenic Gale to kill him. the guy claimed to be phil, showing up at a band practice and passing off pantera lyrics as his own. im sure that kid read that issue of metal hammer, and being not right in the head, thought it was a call to action to hurt or kill dimebag. and thats what why dimebags family hate phil, as they should. put yerself in vinnie pauls shoes. reading that statement one day, dead brother the next.
you can't blame phil for the actions of some nutjob with a gun. whether or not his remarks in Metal Hammer were taken out of context or not, people say stupid shit when their feuding with one another, and i wouldn't put it passed phil to be the one saying stupider shit (and i like Phil btw). there's obviously the theory that Gale went in shooting because of phil's statements, but he's dead so we'll never be clear on his motive. but dime's family still being pissed at phil (whether they blame him or not) is a sad thing. i realize that people don't think clearly when they're grieving especially with something this tragic, but like i said before, dime's death should've brought them together instead of pushing them apart even further.
[May 12,2006 3:35pm - rotivore ""]
you can't blame phil directly, but i still think he's a piece of shit. trying to be the tough guy (only image) all the time. posing with knifes on covers of magazines.
[May 12,2006 3:40pm - robdeadskin ""]
did you get a look at that cops face after he shot that kid witht the shot gun...he was mortified!
[May 12,2006 4:50pm - rotivore ""]
maybe he was a fan
[May 12,2006 5:25pm - RichHorror ""]
Sacreligion said:phil anselmo = the perfect model as to why you shouldn't do heroin
Don't let him sway you, Phil Anslemo is a gigantic pussy.
[May 12,2006 6:22pm - Josh_Martin ""]
Sacreligion said:and if you look at metal in general, not just "underground metal," they are one of the most influential bands of the genre...they came out with pure balls to the wall metal when it was nowhere to be found as far as media coverage is concerned...they were a massive worldwide phenomena that metal hasn't seen since their passing
I hope you are just too young to remember the early 90's, making a statement like that. 1990-1992 was the PEAK commercial period for thrash metal. Megadeth, Slayer, and Anthrax were all playing arenas. Metallica was beyond huge. Thrash videos were all over MTV. Even Rolling Stone magazine was covering the Clash of the Titans tour.
Pantera saw the writing on the wall for the glam look and jumped on the thrash bandwagon.
"pure balls to the wall metal" was all over the media when Pantera changed styles.
I'm not taking sides here, but let's get our history correct please.
[May 12,2006 6:29pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
Josh is 100% correct.
[May 12,2006 6:33pm - robdeadskin ""]
yup early 90's metal was everywhere
[May 12,2006 11:37pm - poopsmcgee ""]
I think this thread will continue for weeks on end..but what really bothers me is no one is talking about the RATT behind the music that aired after..i mean pantera was influential,but RATT created RATT and Roll...