Post if Yer a Member of the Anti-Kiss Army[views:20372][posts:71]____________________________________________ [May 26,2006 5:51pm - ConquerTheBaphomet ""] I happen to love power metal and I don't care what anyone says about it. Do you agree Brothers of metal? |
| ____________________________________________ [May 26,2006 5:53pm - Brothers of metal ""] The Brothers of Metal Say hail Conquerthebaphomet. Power Metal rules!! |
| ____________________________________ [May 27,2006 11:23am - ShadowSD ""] Some KISS songs are metal (Detroit Rock City, Psycho Circus), some are clearly rock (Rock and Roll All Night). I enjoy their metal songs, but could care less about their rock songs (in particular I think Beth is a pussy overrated ballad with no redeeming value). And I totally agree about being against revisionist history in music; metal is metal, rock is rock. There's a quality to the music that makes it very different, and it's a constant that doesn't change over time. Just like no matter how many years we wait, The Beatles will not be considered jazz. (However, I could give a fuck less about what Rolling Stone says, metal is seperate from rock for inherant musical reasons that exist even when the terminology lags behind.) And yes, Paul Stanley is the gayest man on the planet, the way he talks and looks just reeks of gayness. That guy should sing less lead vocals, NEVER talk between songs, NEVER do interviews... in fact, he should just shut up all together. Despite the Kiss songs I do like, his excessive gayness has always irritated me. |
| ___________________________________ [May 27,2006 11:59am - pam nli ""] No Shadow, they're all metal because ROLLING STONE said so. Everything ROLLING STONE writes is fact. |
| ______________________________________________ [May 27,2006 12:18pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Josh_Martin said:Nothing I said was opinion. Since you're a broad I'll make this easy for you. Fact-Kiss from their earliest days, was always considered a metal band and marketed themselves as such. Fact-Rolling Stone began the use of the term "heavy metal" to describe a sub-genre of rock. Fact-Whoever coins a term gets to define it. Fact-Kiss was always played on radio and MTV shows like Heavy Metal From Hell, Metalshop, Metal Mania, Headbangers Ball etc etc etc. Now go ahead and reply yet again about how you don't care. I have a video tape which has Manowar playing live in 1983 (Gloves of Metal era) followed by Kiss playing live in 1982 (The Elder era, their gayest era up to that point) and Kiss sounds a billion times heavier than Manowar does. Kiss could give Black Sabbath a run for their money when it comes to heavy sounding guitar tones. If Kiss isn't metal than neither is Manowar. Amen, brother. Let me add to this: Fact - KISS is as heavy/heavier than 50% of the NWOBHM bands. If those are 'heavy metal', as they are historically accurately labeled by the metal historians, then so is KISS. Take a listen to some of the early 80s albums. The song structures are VERY similar (i.e. the SAME DAMN THING) to what you'd hear on Ozzy's early records, Quiet Riot, WASP, Saxon, Judas Priest, etc. I suppose none of these are metal now either? Otherwise, the logic and argument that KISS is not/has never been metal is entirely inconsistent. The actual term 'heavy metal' was originally applied to rock music. Steppenwolf used it in a song lyric, and Blue Oyster Cult's manager used it to describe their music. So now Blue Oyster Cult is not metal either! |
| _________________________________ [May 27,2006 12:35pm - retzam ""] I read about half of this thread, so I hope I'm not just repeating the same stuff. I'm not the biggest KISS fan, but I don't think they're that bad. I think their schtick is pretty cool, and didn't lots of earlier black metal bands kind of pull from them with corpsepaint? I don't know anything about the history of corpsepaint in black metal, so if I'm way off, I'm not surprised. Anyway, yeah, they have way too much merchandise, and it's downright shitty how money-hungry they are. But I do have their Alive album, it's actually the only album by them I have, and it's pretty awesome; I used to listen to it a lot. Also, I saw them in I think 2003 with Aerosmith, a double-headliner with Aerosmith playing last. I went for Aerosmith but KISS stole the show for me, with their classic larger-than life stage show. Paul Stanley's voice and personality still holds up to the glam-rocker style of his youth (not saying I think he has an incredible voice or anything, but he still has the same one he used to after all these years). Aerosmith didn't have a particularly awesome set, and they didn't even give us an encore (probably more a curfew issue though). Nothing against Aerosmith, I saw them in 2001 and it was great, I like a lot of their stuff. Well, that's my story. |
| ______________________________________________ [May 27,2006 12:38pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Certainly black and theatrical metal took an obvious influence from KISS and Alice Cooper. I agree 100% with the money hungry thing today. But I still loved the first two decades of KISS. |
| _________________________________ [May 27,2006 12:40pm - retzam ""] Yeah, it's true, to my understanding heavy metal used to just be used as an offhand sort of way by kids and musicians alike just to describe the heavier rock of the times. Sabbath, Deep Purple, KISS, even acts like Hendrix and Zeppelin were sometimes referred to as heavy metal. Not that I was around during the heyday of any of these groups. |
| ______________________________________________ [May 27,2006 12:41pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Exactly. Even in the 80s, bands like Poison, Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, etc were referred to as 'glam metal' or 'metal'. |
| _______________________________________________ [May 27,2006 12:47pm - Thrash Police Chief ""] Gorgoroth releases a record called "Destroyer" heavy for the late 90s, they wear corpse paint and employ Satanic imagery. It's 'metal'. KISS releases a record called "Destroyer" heavy for the 70s, they wear corpse paint and employ Satanic imagery. It's not 'metal'. Evidence of why we should revise all metal history and take the advice of these kids whose first metal band was In Flames. |
| ________________________________ [May 27,2006 1:17pm - retzam ""] hahahaha |
| ______________________________________________ [May 27,2006 1:20pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Josh, could you repost that anecdote about Ace pretending he was an SS officer and showing up at Paul's hotel room at like 4am and telling him he was taking him to a concentration camp? It will silence all the anti-KISS sentiment. |
| ________________________________ [May 27,2006 1:22pm - xmikex ""] the TRUE origins of corpse paint [img] |
| ________________________________ [May 27,2006 5:39pm - retzam ""] Sooo, as it turns out, I don't have Alive. I was thinking of Greatest KISS. I guess I got confused cause there are one or two live songs on there. |
| ___________________________________ [May 27,2006 7:45pm - ShadowSD ""] retzam said:even acts like Hendrix and Zeppelin were sometimes referred to as heavy metal. True, but that was only in the case of people who didn't understand the difference between metal and rock. This confusion was aggrevated by the fact that there were bands in the 70's like Aerosmith and Kiss that played a good amount of both rock songs and metal sibgs, followed by bands like Tesla and Bon Jovi in the 80's that did the same. Although some such cases are ambigious, when it comes to classifying a band, it usually works to call them what they play the majority of the time. Like Zepplin, for instance: the majority of their stuff was rock, although they dabbled in many other genres, including metal; therefore they are a rock band, and calling them a metal band is misleading. Poison played mostly rock and only a little metal, therefore they were a rock band with a couple metal tunes, NOT a metal band. Bands like Ratt and Motley Crue were the opposite, metal bands that played a rock song here and there. Anyone who really listens to the music can tell the difference between rock song and a metal song, it's not rocket science, but the fact that there are bands that have played both still confuses the language, unfortunately. |
| ___________________________________ [May 27,2006 7:49pm - ShadowSD ""] I say unfortunately because that kind of confusion primarily hurts metal, which clearly deserves to be respected as its own genre. |
| ________________________________ [May 28,2006 1:02pm - retzam ""] ShadowSD said:retzam said:even acts like Hendrix and Zeppelin were sometimes referred to as heavy metal. True, but that was only in the case of people who didn't understand the difference between metal and rock. This confusion was aggrevated by the fact that there were bands in the 70's like Aerosmith and Kiss that played a good amount of both rock songs and metal sibgs, followed by bands like Tesla and Bon Jovi in the 80's that did the same. Although some such cases are ambigious, when it comes to classifying a band, it usually works to call them what they play the majority of the time. Like Zepplin, for instance: the majority of their stuff was rock, although they dabbled in many other genres, including metal; therefore they are a rock band, and calling them a metal band is misleading. Poison played mostly rock and only a little metal, therefore they were a rock band with a couple metal tunes, NOT a metal band. Bands like Ratt and Motley Crue were the opposite, metal bands that played a rock song here and there. Anyone who really listens to the music can tell the difference between rock song and a metal song, it's not rocket science, but the fact that there are bands that have played both still confuses the language, unfortunately. Well, you missed the whole point of my post. Back then it was all relative. In 1973 Zeppelin was one of the heaviest bands around, so they were some times called metal. Whether they are or are not metal by today's standards is irrelavent. |
| _____________________________________ [May 31,2006 1:58pm - Josh_Martin ""] [img] |
| _____________________________________ [May 31,2006 2:02pm - Josh_Martin ""] The picture on the bottom rules. L -R Ian Hill, KK Downing, Scott Travis, Glen Tipton, Franken Ace, Ace, Paul, Franken Peter, Rob Halford, Gene |
| ______________________________ [May 31,2006 3:16pm - Yeti ""] worst band ever |
| _____________________________________ [May 31,2006 3:29pm - Hooker nli ""] Kiss is the shit. |
| ___________________________________ [May 31,2006 3:44pm - RichHappy ""] seriously, nice fucking spandex dudes. |