Metalcore.......[views:14170][posts:80]______________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 8:26pm - BlackoutRick ""] I think the bands that are being called metalcore these days all sound like they worship Slaughter of the Soul. I like that album but these bands today totally piss me off. When I was younger, bands like Integrity (my fav), All Out War, Merauder, etc. were being called metalcore. They were basically hardcore bands that were fuckin heavy. But I stress the word hardcore for those bands cuz that's what they are. Todays "metalcore" bands have no hardcore whatsoever in them in my opinion. At the Gates was being called melodic death so that is what these bands essentially are. But they all sound very much alike and it must stop. Teach the kids not to buy/download this fuckin rubbish. That is all. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 8:32pm - BlackoutRick ""] Anyone? WTF!! |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 8:37pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] This entire thing started with Slayer breakdowns and Slaughter of the Soul. At the Gates, however, did not splice their melodic death metal with radio-friendly pop punk choruses, soul singing, and fashioncore. They also didn't suck. |
| ______________________________ [Jun 20,2006 8:47pm - blue ""] welcome to 8 years ago, bro. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 8:49pm - brian_dc ""] yeah, this is now. where anything that you don't like you can just refer to as metalcore ignorantly. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 8:50pm - Hooker nli ""] blah blarblah what? |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 8:52pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] We were actually discussing this at ExAgenda cookout today, how there was actually once metalcore that we all liked (Botch, Converge, Drowningman, etc), and how now it's become a dirty word to refer to the Ozzfest/Sounds of the Underground-sect. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 9:06pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] It's hilarious to watch Headbangers Ball and see the commercials for all the screamy metalcore with the Hitler hairdo's and every band is playing the same breakdown, the Victory and Trustkill bands. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 9:38pm - anonymous ""] Mosh |
| ________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 9:42pm - kevord ""] Headbangers ball comercials are the worst for shitty bands. But this trend will be over with soon enough. Then it's on to the next one. Maybe it will be a grunge type thing and heavy music won't be cool anymore. I only wish. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 9:47pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] I only go to concerts to mosh and be ironic. Metalcore suits me just fine. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 9:49pm - kevord ""] I like to fold my arms at shows and look like I'm bored to be there. I'm more of an Emo fan. |
| ____________________________ [Jun 20,2006 10:04pm - renotsnon<<< ""] kevord said:Headbangers ball comercials are the worst for shitty bands. But this trend will be over with soon enough. Then it's on to the next one. Maybe it will be a grunge type thing and heavy music won't be cool anymore. I only wish. Some are predicting a slide to more commercial stoner/doom bands. I honestly dont think America (and the world) has the "patience" to listen to mid paced and slower bands. Good thing, though. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 10:06pm - kevord ""] I never thought metalcore would be as mainstrean as it is. These things happen. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 10:07pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] Emo Phillips is pretty funny. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 10:07pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] The stoner/rock invasion is definitely on the rise, which is how a band like Wolfmother can become famous essentially overnight. |
| ____________________________ [Jun 20,2006 10:11pm - renotsnon<<< ""] I honestly think Wolfmother is an isolated case. They really dont represent the darker/depressed side of stoner/doom. Plus, "Woman" is really more upbeat. I'm talking about gruely tempos. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 10:13pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] I doubt the heavier stuff is ever going to be mainstream. To most people (as in, outside the metal community), Queens of the Stone Age and Wolfmother are what they know as stoner rock. Which is why we need to beat them over the head with Electric Wizard as often as possible. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 10:17pm - kevord ""] Well That's it. If stoner/doom is the next mainstream it will just be a watered down version. I can see that happening. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 20,2006 10:26pm - blue ""] metalcore's got AT LEAST another 5 years in the pop metal spotlight. to 90% of the mainstream metal audience, its the most insanely fresh and exciting thing theyve ever seen. heavy doom/stoner wont get too popular. its too depressed. anger sells, not depression. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 10:34pm - kevord ""] Depression sells. Look at gay bands like staind. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 10:36pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Thou shalt never speak that name again. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 10:37pm - kevord ""] Sorry. It hurt me to say it. |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 10:50pm - Anthony nli ""] stoner/doom is alot more tolerable than most metalcore. gets boring to me after a while though. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 10:58pm - crisis ""] at least it's not numetal! |
| _________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 11:50pm - Ryan_M ""] One thing I notice about metalcore CD's I see in stores, is that they ALL have a sticker on the front that compares the group to similar bands, and they all say the same thing: "For fans of LAMB OF GOD, KILLSWITCH ENGAGE, SLAYER, HATEBREED, and SHADOWS FALL". When I see that list, I know I'm looking at an album containing music played by emotionally fragile, sexually confused, cross dressing weenies, that only a 13 year old whose parents just grounded for a week after catching him using their digital camera to take half nude pictures of himself in the bathroom for his myspace, could truly relate to. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 12:34am - anonymous ""] another groundbreaking thread courtesy of RTTP |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 12:34am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] We get it. You're far superior to all of us. Why not go listen to your metalcore records and forget we exist? |
| __________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 7:16am - pam nli ""] I'm thinking this is Rick's stand against everyone calling his band metalcore. |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 7:24am - Messerschmitt ""] pam nli said:I'm thinking this is Rick's stand against everyone calling his band metalcore. |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 7:32am - watchmaker666 ""] groundwork, acme, unbroken, threadbare, undertow, all bands that were combining metal and hardcore in the early 90's all awsome metalcore bands before it was a dirty word |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 7:34am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Groundwork was pretty sick, I remember seeing those guys, Undertow, and Threadbare. |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:19am - watchmaker666 ""] If you haven't heard Acme yet you should really check them out, unbelievable heavy for the time, Starkweather was another early 90's band that was really blurring the lines at the time. I'm not sure if some of the younger guys realise but before these bands existed Metal and Hardcore were like oil and water they just didn't mix so this stuff was revolutionary at the time |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:29am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] I've heard Acme. Starkweather was great, I think I like them better live than on disc. I was even in some of these early metalcore bands (Alert/Swivel, etc). |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:31am - DreamingInExile ""] I loved Starkweather!!! I remember when Hardcore bands started mixing in Metal influence. Those were the good 'ol days. I think it's time for a retro-revival band... anyone? |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:39am - Josh_Martin ""] watchmaker666 said:If you haven't heard Acme yet you should really check them out, unbelievable heavy for the time, Starkweather was another early 90's band that was really blurring the lines at the time. I'm not sure if some of the younger guys realise but before these bands existed Metal and Hardcore were like oil and water they just didn't mix so this stuff was revolutionary at the time Huh? Now I KNOW you are old enough to have been around for the crossover. That was years before the early 90's. DRI, COC, SOD, Suicidal Tendencies, any of that ring a bell? I always thought bands like Starkweather were gay when everyone else was raving about them. I guess I was the first person to hate metalcore. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:40am - Josh_Martin ""] DrinkHardThrashHard said:I've heard Acme. Starkweather was great, I think I like them better live than on disc. I was even in some of these early metalcore bands (Alert/Swivel, etc). Do you know Rick Brosco by any chance? |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:41am - DreamingInExile ""] I do, I went to high school with him. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:41am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Crossover was definitely before metalcore, I think he was just referring to that specific set of bands: Encounter, Groundwork, Lincoln, Starkweather, Threadbare, Bloodlet, Chillmark, etc. I think Starkweather is honestly better live, the CDs are pretty boring. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:42am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Rick Brosco sounds familiar, but I don't think I ever knew him very well. He was probably, 3-5 years behind me in school Mark? Can't remember. |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:44am - DreamingInExile ""] he was always hanging out with Nick Campeola at shows. was good friends will all the kids in bands at MHS and ALWAYS at the Red Barn |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:46am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] The Red Barn. Oh man. Cave In, Converge, Dive, Swivel, Alert, Piebald, Trees Without Leaves, .357 Noise, so many... I remember that broad tried to hump band members. We'd better not reminisce too much, some Johnny-come-lately emocore kids might criticize us for talking about the past. |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:48am - DreamingInExile ""] pffft, fuck 'em. I smell a reminiscent thread brewing... and maybe a throwback band shortly there after... hmmm |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:49am - watchmaker666 nli ""] Youre right Josh but the crossover thing was just such a different sound, But I did love all those bands as well. All Im trying to say is that late 80's early 90's was a great time for heavy music becuase people were experimenting with alot of shit and breaking down alot of walls but people just built them right back up |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:49am - Josh_Martin ""] Haha, I heard some fucked up shit about Piebald. It wasn't only their music that was gay. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:50am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Yeah, the walls are firmly in place. I remember I was in a fake sXe/vegan band called Force of Nature with people from Cave In. Hilarious. We should have played a gig. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:50am - watchmaker666 nli ""] Force of Nature. LOL |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:51am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Josh_Martin said:Haha, I heard some fucked up shit about Piebald. It wasn't only their music that was gay. Andy (bass) is a great guy. |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:52am - DreamingInExile ""] DrinkHardThrashHard said:I remember that broad tried to hump band members. who, Maralyn from Catch the Wave? the chick that owned the skateshop and put on most of those shows? |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:52am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] watchmaker666 nli said:Force of Nature. LOL It was absolutely hilarious. It was basically an Earth Crisis parody. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:53am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] DreamingInExile said:DrinkHardThrashHard said:I remember that broad tried to hump band members. who, Maralyn from Catch the Wave? the chick that owned the skateshop and put on most of those shows? Yep. |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:54am - DreamingInExile ""] hahaha, it wasn't only band members... she hit on everyone, and her daughter was far cuter then she was (and the same age as most of us haha) |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:57am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] I wouldn't even know if someone hit on me back then, because I was a totally pathetic dweeb. So, basically, nothing has changed except for college turning me into a whore. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:59am - Josh_Martin ""] watchmaker666 nli said:Youre right Josh but the crossover thing was just such a different sound, But I did love all those bands as well. All Im trying to say is that late 80's early 90's was a great time for heavy music becuase people were experimenting with alot of shit and breaking down alot of walls but people just built them right back up I loved all those crossover bands at the time too. But looking back and seeing where everything went, I kinda wish it never happened. It went too far. The day "crossover" became "metalcore" was a bad day. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 10:00am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] And the bad days have never stopped since. I just can't get over that a lot of the metalcore bands back then were referred to as emo. Look at emo now. Insane. This thread needs more talk about FUCT |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 10:14am - watchmaker666 nli ""] What blows me away is the current "metalcore" bands are fucking huge! Like rockstar selling out arenas huge! it makes no fucking sense to me |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 10:16am - brian_dc ""] watchmaker666 nli said:What blows me away is the current "metalcore" bands are fucking huge! Like rockstar selling out arenas huge! it makes no fucking sense to me And honestly, I think it confuses the people in bands that are doing it, too. These are bands that were mid-level local bands like 2 years ago and now after touring for a year and a half or so are the big shit....crazy. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 10:20am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Trends man, overnight success. Right place, right time, right scene. It has always been like this. You'll have your hard working bands who get a break and then your instant stars who just happen to fit the demand at the moment. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 10:22am - brian_dc ""] yeah, it doesn't make it any less ridiculous to the people in bands in some cases. I mean, I know for a fact that there are people in Bury Your Dead who had HOPED that they would never get as big as they did...the band started as a joke to see how many mosh parts they could put into songs. Ugh...so horrible. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 10:24am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] I'm basically looking at it as boy bands, but with guitars, who grew up on Slayer, hardcore and In Flames/Slaughter of the Soul, and threw in some radio friendly elements because they weren't getting very far without them. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 10:25am - brian_dc ""] yeah, it's all just pop. Sucks that they've adopted the name of a once legitimate genre. Give it a few more years and it'll be gone...people are too fickle for something based on metal to stay big. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 10:29am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] People can do whatever they want. I can't stand some of these bands but how can I begrudge them? Unearth worked their asses off for years to get in their position. The big problem I've always had is that when the general public thinks of 'metal', they are only thinking of the Ozzfest-bred Icons they see on TV. Ask any random person about metal, they might know Maiden, Metallica, or Slayer, but they are most likely to say "You mean like that band Killswitch Engage?" or "Avenged Sevenfold?" I guess it has always been this way to some degree, but for once I'd like someone to answer "Kreator" or "Vader". Never gonna happen. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 10:32am - brian_dc ""] all good points |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 10:53am - dreadkill ""] blue said:welcome to 8 years ago, bro. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 10:59am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Still relevant today though. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 11:23am - Josh_Martin ""] DrinkHardThrashHard said:People can do whatever they want. I can't stand some of these bands but how can I begrudge them? Unearth worked their asses off for years to get in their position. The big problem I've always had is that when the general public thinks of 'metal', they are only thinking of the Ozzfest-bred Icons they see on TV. Ask any random person about metal, they might know Maiden, Metallica, or Slayer, but they are most likely to say "You mean like that band Killswitch Engage?" or "Avenged Sevenfold?" I guess it has always been this way to some degree, but for once I'd like someone to answer "Kreator" or "Vader". Never gonna happen. Its the same shit as 20 years ago when the general public thought of Ratt and Poison when you said "metal" Todays metalcore is just yesterdays glam metal. Fuck the mainstream. Who cares what they think. When the masses get turned on to something, its days are numbered. Once something becomes a viable way to earn a living, it turns to shit. Keep metal underground! |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 11:25am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] This is all true. People definitely called the glam stuff metal too. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 11:47am - Morbid_Mike ""] BlackoutRick said:I think the bands that are being called metalcore these days all sound like they worship Slaughter of the Soul. I like that album but these bands today totally piss me off. When I was younger, bands like Integrity (my fav), All Out War, Merauder, etc. were being called metalcore. They were basically hardcore bands that were fuckin heavy. But I stress the word hardcore for those bands cuz that's what they are. Todays "metalcore" bands have no hardcore whatsoever in them in my opinion. At the Gates was being called melodic death so that is what these bands essentially are. But they all sound very much alike and it must stop. Teach the kids not to buy/download this fuckin rubbish. That is all. Now Rick your first mistake was calling At The Gates "Melodic Death Metal" They my friend are swedish Death Metal and along with others started the form of music we Americans must call Melodic Death Metal because we are not from Sweden or you have a band that gives proper credit where it is due like Fragments who call thier music Swedish Styled Death Metal.Also At The Gates stopped before they ended up like In Flames and Soilwork (thank satan!) But none of this matters cause In Thy Dreams is fucking the sickest swedish death metal ever (not really but they are damn good) |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 11:48am - watchmaker666 ""] true but the glam bands looked and sounded so different, this new shit is like a wolf is sheep's clothing |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 11:58am - brian_dc ""] or a sheep in wolf's clothing |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 12:01pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Morbid_Mike said:BlackoutRick said:I think the bands that are being called metalcore these days all sound like they worship Slaughter of the Soul. I like that album but these bands today totally piss me off. When I was younger, bands like Integrity (my fav), All Out War, Merauder, etc. were being called metalcore. They were basically hardcore bands that were fuckin heavy. But I stress the word hardcore for those bands cuz that's what they are. Todays "metalcore" bands have no hardcore whatsoever in them in my opinion. At the Gates was being called melodic death so that is what these bands essentially are. But they all sound very much alike and it must stop. Teach the kids not to buy/download this fuckin rubbish. That is all. Now Rick your first mistake was calling At The Gates "Melodic Death Metal" They my friend are swedish Death Metal and along with others started the form of music we Americans must call Melodic Death Metal because we are not from Sweden or you have a band that gives proper credit where it is due like Fragments who call thier music Swedish Styled Death Metal.Also At The Gates stopped before they ended up like In Flames and Soilwork (thank satan!) But none of this matters cause In Thy Dreams is fucking the sickest swedish death metal ever (not really but they are damn good) That's not a mistake, At the Gates was also referred to as melodic death metal as early as their second album, certainly by Terminal Spirit Disease and Slaughter of the Soul. |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 12:01pm - DreamingInExile ""] brian_dc said:or a sheep in wolf's clothing how about a boy in girls clothing? the whole 'fashoncore' thing just doesn't make sense to me |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 12:03pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] watchmaker666 said:true but the glam bands looked and sounded so different, this new shit is like a wolf is sheep's clothing Well, they didn't sound too different from a lot of the NWOBHM bands of that era (some of them WERE NWOBHM bands). I mean, today, yes, definitely different. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 1:05pm - BlackoutRick ""] pam nli said:I'm thinking this is Rick's stand against everyone calling his band metalcore. Wow. I can't win with this woman!! We are influenced by Machine Head(burn my eyes and the more things change obviously), Fear Factory, Integrity, and Acid Bath. My lead guitarist likes Slayer and Death so he leans towards thrash in his playing. Don't go by the myspace music cuz we recorded that in 04 and it came out kinda nu-metal sounding. Sorry about that. The only way to judge us is live so step the fuck up and do some shows with us. |
| ________________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 1:08pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] chug chug chug chug single chord chugging rules. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 1:13pm - the_reverend ""] [img] |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 1:24pm - LtdEc-1000 ""] was that really necessary? |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 1:26pm - anonymous ""] DrinkHardThrashHard said:This entire thing started with Slayer breakdowns and Slaughter of the Soul. At the Gates, however, did not splice their melodic death metal with radio-friendly pop punk choruses, soul singing, and fashioncore. They also didn't suck. The first "Slayer breakdowns" I can remember being incorporated into hardcore was by Brotherhood, from WA state back in the day. My old band (Hearing Impaired) played with them when they were on tour with the Accused (at the Rat in Kenmore sq.)...HOLY SHIT!!! It was fucking innovative back then, and frowned upon by the H.C. purists, but motherfucker the place went totally hoopy, and it was cool then....now it's a cliche, like everything else becomes over time. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 2:30pm - pam nli ""] BlackoutRick said:pam nli said:I'm thinking this is Rick's stand against everyone calling his band metalcore. Wow. I can't win with this woman!! We are influenced by Machine Head(burn my eyes and the more things change obviously), Fear Factory, Integrity, and Acid Bath. My lead guitarist likes Slayer and Death so he leans towards thrash in his playing. Don't go by the myspace music cuz we recorded that in 04 and it came out kinda nu-metal sounding. Sorry about that. The only way to judge us is live so step the fuck up and do some shows with us. Your English comprehension skills are unbearable. I have seen you live, you played with The Accursed before, so we can retire that now. Most importantly I never said your band was metalcore, I said it seems this is your reaction to everyone calling it so. Way to read. |
| ________________________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 2:31pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] NUMETAL IN THE HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZ OUSE !!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 12:16pm - immortal13 ""] The only real hardcore elements in metalcore these days are breakdowns (for most bands) and the vocals. I personally just consider it American Melodic Death Metal myself. I know a lot of the sound the same, but there really are some good sounding solid ones that are completely original, my favorites being Bleeding Through (old stuff), All That Remains, and newer As I Lay Dying. |