Edge Fest Today Sucka's[views:18600][posts:108]_________________________________ [Jul 9,2006 4:57pm - XtoughX ""] Yes, you are absolutely correct. We never commit any acts of violence. That would be wrong and against the law. Straightedge for life. I am now 26 and have been straightedge for 10 years. |
| ________________________________ [Jul 9,2006 5:02pm - XtoughX ""] Oh, and why did you have to edit your post? Not sure what you stand for? |
| _____________________________________ [Jul 9,2006 5:22pm - nickyhelliot ""] Why is so much violence put towards not being straightedge? The whole "STRAIGHT EDGE OR DIE" bull shit is really old. I'm all for it because I fall under all the categories and I've been supporting it for quite a few years now but I'm real tired of the bull shit behind all the "tough guys". All this wicked broxcore shit is retarded. It's like you guys are trying to scare people into doing it which is totally contradicting everything else most hardcore is all about. Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% for what straightedge is, but I'm not going to assault people who make different choices than me. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 9,2006 5:28pm - RichHorror ""] hahaha, you're all stupid. I know toddlers that wouldn't be as easily fooled. |
| _______________________________ [Jul 9,2006 6:56pm - xmikex ""] one time I went to a REAL straightedge show. It was In My Eyes (last show) Ten Yard Fight (post-last show), Mouthpeice and a bunch of other straightedge bands. After the show ended and 300+ straightedge kids filed out of the show there was this guy standing in the doorway with 6 six pack of beer in one hand and an open bottle in his other hand. everyone walked past him and minded their own business... because straightedge is for yourself. |
| _______________________________ [Jul 9,2006 6:58pm - xmikex ""] XtoughX said:Straightedge for life. I am now 26 and have been straightedge for 10 years. :duffbeer: |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 9,2006 7:33pm - anonymous ""] XtoughX said:Yes, you are absolutely correct. We never commit any acts of violence. That would be wrong and against the law. Straightedge for life. I am now 26 and have been straightedge for 10 years. hmmm ok if your 26 and been straightedge for 10 years then that means your were one of these "drunken drug infested scum bags" you are talking about.... at 16 isn't illegal to drink anyways?? |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 9,2006 7:34pm - RichHorror ""] Or he's a regular board member fucking around. But then that would make you stupid. |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 9,2006 7:35pm - Scoracrasia ""] Ha, I have more respect for Nazi's than ignorant meathead straightedgers. |
| _____________________________ [Jul 9,2006 8:51pm - Lamp ""] XtoughX said:Beer swilling Germans killed the jews. Whiskey drinking rednecks lynched the blacks. You should knock back a six pack and tell me how many Jews you killed in the process. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jul 9,2006 9:16pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] XtoughX said:Yes, you are absolutely correct. We never commit any acts of violence. That would be wrong and against the law. Straightedge for life. I am now 26 and have been straightedge for 10 years. Good luck with that. I have no problem with someone being straightedge, but it's a fact that about 100% of the straightedge crowd will break it. I've known people who were sXe for 10 years plus and still broken it. As far as not committing acts of violence, good. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jul 9,2006 9:17pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] XtoughX said:Oh, and why did you have to edit your post? Not sure what you stand for? Nah, probably just grammar or spelling. I know damn well what I stand for. Being an individual, not a peon in a movement I did not create. |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 9,2006 10:00pm - nickyhelliot ""] xmikex said:one time I went to a REAL straightedge show. It was In My Eyes (last show) Ten Yard Fight (post-last show), Mouthpeice and a bunch of other straightedge bands. After the show ended and 300+ straightedge kids filed out of the show there was this guy standing in the doorway with 6 six pack of beer in one hand and an open bottle in his other hand. everyone walked past him and minded their own business... because straightedge is for yourself. That's how it should be. |
| __________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 12:05am - XtoughX ""] xmikex said:one time I went to a REAL straightedge show. It was In My Eyes (last show) Ten Yard Fight (post-last show), Mouthpeice and a bunch of other straightedge bands. After the show ended and 300+ straightedge kids filed out of the show there was this guy standing in the doorway with 6 six pack of beer in one hand and an open bottle in his other hand. everyone walked past him and minded their own business... because straightedge is for yourself. Another time I went to band camp and stuck a flute in my pussy. Damn, I missed that one. |
| __________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 12:08am - XtoughX ""] anonymous said:hmmm ok if your 26 and been straightedge for 10 years then that means your were one of these "drunken drug infested scum bags" you are talking about.... at 16 isn't illegal to drink anyways?? I made the decision at age 16 to become part of the straightedge movement. I had been going to shows for a couple of years. Again the logic of the posts here is utterly amazing. Who pissed in the gene pool? State mandated eugenics programs are needed now. |
| _____________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 12:19am - RichHorror ""] Wow, that's the same thing Jeff from my band says all the time. |
| __________________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 1:44am - TheGreatSpaldino ""] XtoughX said:TheGreatSpaldino said:if what you say is true... what "revolution" did the rednecks acheive through their blatantly racist ignorance? amazing that the only "revolution" that you listed that actually "succeeded" was the holocaust... and even then it was short lived because they got their shit pushed in. so... if you're going to try to show how correct and purposeful something is... get your comparisons and analogies and whatever else you need to do so straight or else you will look like a huge tool... well... a bigger one than usual. First you don't achieve a revolution, you start a revolution or participate in one. You are having a problem with your logic. A revolution can only bring about true change through violence. Blood must be shed. If an individual commits an act of violence it does not mean they are taking part in a revolution. Rednecks were not part of a revolution. A revolution is happens when a group rallies to end injustice or harm being brought upon the human condition. Rednecks were not trying to change society. They were trying to "preserve" their way of life. Society already hated blacks and the lynchings were a byproduct of hate. Second, the holocaust was not a revolution. The revolution was the nazis trying to being about societal change and better the lives of their fellow Germans who lived in poverty following WWI. Unfortunately, during such revolutions often groups are scapegoated and the purpose of the revolution can be shielded. The holocaust was an unfortuante and unnecessary byproduct of the German nationalist movement during WWII. yes yes... but that isnt what i was saying. you listed rednecks lynching and germans hating, both as mass acts of violence, then you stated that a revolution can not be acheived unless violence is involved. this creates your point. your point is that your bullshit idealism can only satiated through violence and that this makes or will obtain a revolution. the problem with this, is that your comparisons are immensely flawed, seeing as that 1. they did not revolutionize anything. 2. they also failed miserably and 3. you said this yourself. if logic is not with me, then it is for damn sure not within a billion lightyears from you. quit this charade. it isnt even funny anymore. you have been owned by real straight edge people and by people that actually have an IQ above 20. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 2:43am - XtoughX ""] Let me dumb this down a bit. 1. Rednecks lynching is not a revolution. It is an act of violence by a dominant group over a subordinate group. Nat Turner's rebellion was a revolution. It was the subordinate group striking back against the oppressive dominant group. 2. Genocide of a race is not a revolution. It is mass murder. 3. Committing a violent act does not automatically mean you are part of a revolution. Shooting your neighbor because you do not like him is not the start of a revolution. 4. A revolution is a means to an end (i.e. American Revolution to free the colonies from British oppression). 5. No revolution has been successful without the use of violence. 6. A revolution can fail miserably, but still be considered a revolution (i.e. the French Revolution. What started out as a revolution against the tyranny of the king turned into tyranny itself. It was indeed successful at first then the revolutionaries began committing the same acts which they initially were fighting against). 7. You do not know what the word revolution means or what it entails. A revolution is a drastic change that usually occurs relatively quickly. This may be a change in the social or political institutions over a relatively short period of time, or a major change in its culture or economy. Some revolutions are led by the majority of the populace of a nation, others by a small band of revolutionaries. Compare rebellion. 8. How am I not really straightedge? How can you say that? My views are different than other straightedgers so that automatically makes me wrong? 9. My IQ is definitely above 20. If it were that low I would be living on the North Shore. 10. C is for cookie and now I am done with your sir. Good day! |
| ____________________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 2:50am - horror_tang TLTLI ""] Blah, blah, blah. Shove your revolution up your ass. Easy Action is playing playing O'Brien's thursday. John Brannon motherfuckers! |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 2:50am - RichHorror ""] Negative Approach is gonna fuck you up. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 2:51am - horror_tang TLTLI ""] You going motherfucker? They could bust out a couple of NA songs. |
| ________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 8:01am - xmikex ""] If you're that bent on fighting a war... http://www.GoArmy.com |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 8:10am - nickyhelliot ""] Real straightedge kids don't sleep... ever. |
| ________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 8:26am - xmikex ""] if you sleep someone could put heroine in your mouth. not worth the risk. xXx |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 8:35am - nickyhelliot ""] Hahahaha truest story ever told. |
| ________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 9:05am - xmikex ""] the following things are now outlawed by Straightedge: - Pepto-Bismol - Off Skintastic - Sneezing and farting at the same time - Easy Mac - CoolER Ranch Doritos - Naps anyone caught scarfing Mac & Cheese is gonna catch the XBluexBoxBluesX son |
| _____________________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 9:17am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] XtoughX said: 6. A revolution can fail miserably, but still be considered a revolution (i.e. the French Revolution. What started out as a revolution against the tyranny of the king turned into tyranny itself. It was indeed successful at first then the revolutionaries began committing the same acts which they initially were fighting against). 7. You do not know what the word revolution means or what it entails. A revolution is a drastic change that usually occurs relatively quickly. This may be a change in the social or political institutions over a relatively short period of time, or a major change in its culture or economy. Some revolutions are led by the majority of the populace of a nation, others by a small band of revolutionaries. Compare rebellion. Bringing this back to a straightedge discussion... In what way is 'straightedge' a revolution? There have been people who abstained from drugs and alcohol for thousands of years. The difference between themselves and the 'straightedge' scene is that they don't need to put a label on their personal decisions and try to intimidate others. They are comfortable as individuals with their health choices. Also, how could such a revolution succeed when the rate of inevitable edge breaking is close to 100%? How many people are actually going to remain straightedge for life in our country? 50? Maybe 100? Walk into a single bar on a Friday night and there could be 3-5x that many people. There is no revolution. Just idealist shit-talking. To strive for acceptance into a sub-cultural clique is not rebellion. It is conformity. Not everyone who has a drink is an alcoholic, and not everyone who takes a toke is a pothead. The fact that moderates exist (and they outnumber addicts by a vast margin) disproves the necessity for a straightedge philosophy. |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 9:17am - nickyhelliot ""] I heard any sort of meds or caffine is now outlawed. I told this chick I was straightedge and she practically castrated me because I was drinking vault. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 9:19am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Hahahaha. |
| ________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 9:58am - xmikex ""] I don't know who has a more distorted idea of straightedge: mouthy straightedge kids, drug addicts, or girls. Girls are the worst. |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 9:59am - nickyhelliot ""] xmikex said:Girls are the worst. That goes for anything. |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 10:14am - the_reverend ""] and what is this whole putting on cloths thing all about? my gf keeps putting on cloths and I tell her that's not what God intended. I gave her a nice whole chapter out of the bible, but still, she keeps putting on clothing, WTF! |
| _________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 10:17am - xmikex ""] In my experiences though I've generally (but with plenty of exceptions) found 3 distinct reactions to straightedge from girls: The Mouthy Straightedge Girl: Hey look it's XPhyllisX. She's totally straightedge and will never let you forget it. The X key on her keyboard is worn down to nothing. She'll toss someone a frowny face for smoking in public. She'll get $1,000 worth of obnoxious tattoos. She'll try to convert her friends to straightedge. The icing on the cake is (you guessed it) she found out about Youth of Today last week, downloaded "Firestorm" on her Ipod, and will be passed out drunk on her 22nd birthday. The "I just don't get it" girl: She's barely 21 and just "doesn't get" why you don't want to drink. "I don't get it... I mean you don't ever even FEEL like drinking? Not ever?? What about vodka?.... peppermint shnops?... martinis?... cocktails?... skrewdrivers??.... not even a Coors Light?" She's totally astonished by it, and at the same time resents you for it because she thinks you're judging her. She'll get totally fall down shitfaced drunk in front of you and then get mad at you for being the only sober kid in the room. She won't say anything to your face but she's way too much of a bigmouth to keep anything to herself, and way too drunk to be slick about it. The "Oh...Good for you" Girl: This is the girl that doesn't really get it but thinks it sounds like something she SHOULD respect. She probably confuses it with some kind of a church thing and thinks she's obligated to tell you how super it is that you don't drink. She'll tell you that she "wishes she could do that" and that you should totally "be proud of yourself" for being such a good person. Both of which are absurd because A. neither one of you give a shit what she does with her life B. being straightedge alone will never in a billion years make you a good person. C. She can't wait to get drunk and railed by the lacrosse team and you both know it. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 10:48am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Heh. Brilliant post. And true. Here is my question for the straightedge kids though... If you dislike drugs and alcohol, why not simply abstain from drugs and alcohol? Why does this behavior require a sub-culture? I know plenty of people who abstain from one or the other, or both, and do not require an X symbol to justify their choices. What is there to prove? Is there such a thing as a Drunk Brigade? I just don't get it. |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 10:52am - nickyhelliot ""] one half of the girls I know are the first one and the other half are girls who get compleatly trashed, robo trip for days, and would smoke anything in their reach. |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 10:59am - nickyhelliot ""] Given, all the trashy girls I know are in really creepy grindcore bands, are not shorter than 5'10", and were born in england. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 11:08am - xmikex ""] DrinkHardThrashHard said:Heh. Brilliant post. And true. Here is my question for the straightedge kids though... If you dislike drugs and alcohol, why not simply abstain from drugs and alcohol? Why does this behavior require a sub-culture? I know plenty of people who abstain from one or the other, or both, and do not require an X symbol to justify their choices. What is there to prove? I think it's more of a social commentary then an in your face kind of thing (for sincere straightedge kids at least). I mean alcohol is everywhere: billboards, television commercials, parties, just about every concievable social event there is. Alcohol is kind of looked upon as part of this natural progression in life: you look up to your parents drinking alcohol when you're young, you crave it when you're a teenager, and then it becomes the centerpeice of your life when you're older. People pretty much assume you drink, assume you want to drink, assume you're down with getting high weather you actually do or not. Having a subculture with a name is a way of showing that something else exsists, there there's another way of life besides just the normal perceived progression towards drugs and alcohol. |
| __________________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 2:12pm - TheGreatSpaldino ""] XtoughX said:Let me dumb this down a bit. 1. Rednecks lynching is not a revolution. It is an act of violence by a dominant group over a subordinate group. Nat Turner's rebellion was a revolution. It was the subordinate group striking back against the oppressive dominant group. 2. Genocide of a race is not a revolution. It is mass murder. 3. Committing a violent act does not automatically mean you are part of a revolution. Shooting your neighbor because you do not like him is not the start of a revolution. 4. A revolution is a means to an end (i.e. American Revolution to free the colonies from British oppression). 5. No revolution has been successful without the use of violence. 6. A revolution can fail miserably, but still be considered a revolution (i.e. the French Revolution. What started out as a revolution against the tyranny of the king turned into tyranny itself. It was indeed successful at first then the revolutionaries began committing the same acts which they initially were fighting against). 7. You do not know what the word revolution means or what it entails. A revolution is a drastic change that usually occurs relatively quickly. This may be a change in the social or political institutions over a relatively short period of time, or a major change in its culture or economy. Some revolutions are led by the majority of the populace of a nation, others by a small band of revolutionaries. Compare rebellion. 8. How am I not really straightedge? How can you say that? My views are different than other straightedgers so that automatically makes me wrong? 9. My IQ is definitely above 20. If it were that low I would be living on the North Shore. 10. C is for cookie and now I am done with your sir. Good day! again... you missed my point and just pissed all over the toilet seat of reading comprehension. go have an XtuffX tea party... or does caffeine get your panties in a bunch too? |
| _____________________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 4:18pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] xmikex said:DrinkHardThrashHard said:Heh. Brilliant post. And true. Here is my question for the straightedge kids though... If you dislike drugs and alcohol, why not simply abstain from drugs and alcohol? Why does this behavior require a sub-culture? I know plenty of people who abstain from one or the other, or both, and do not require an X symbol to justify their choices. What is there to prove? I think it's more of a social commentary then an in your face kind of thing (for sincere straightedge kids at least). I mean alcohol is everywhere: billboards, television commercials, parties, just about every concievable social event there is. Alcohol is kind of looked upon as part of this natural progression in life: you look up to your parents drinking alcohol when you're young, you crave it when you're a teenager, and then it becomes the centerpeice of your life when you're older. People pretty much assume you drink, assume you want to drink, assume you're down with getting high weather you actually do or not. Having a subculture with a name is a way of showing that something else exsists, there there's another way of life besides just the normal perceived progression towards drugs and alcohol. Fair enough, sir. Fair enough. |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 6:32pm - tbone_r nli ""] getting drunk is like kissing your sister, it rules. |
| ________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 6:42pm - crisis ""] here's the jist i get of being straight edge: it's retarded. i could be wrong though |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 7:01pm - the_reverend ""] sxex is so hot. ian makeye is such a hawty |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 7:53pm - Samantha ""] nickyhelliot said:Why the hell beat the shit out of people drinking if you don't believe in it. That's like every single very unpopular organized group in the past (I.E. Nazi's, KKK). I choose not to drink or do drugs or sleep around but it doesn't mean I'm going to Xbeat the shit out of everyoneX. Hey that sounds like a good band name. SXE MBERS ONLY PLZ. considering nickyhelliot sleeps around a lot i wouldnt consider him even close to being Straightedge. |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 7:53pm - RichHorror ""] Don't hate the playa, hate the game. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 8:06pm - Samantha ""] agreed. |
| _____________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 9:03pm - Hulk Hogan ""] Since when is Straightedge a revolution? Anyone who says that is a fucking idiot. No one is more edge than me, Hulk Hogan, check out my band, Hulk Hogan and the Wrestling Boot Band |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 9:07pm - Joshtruction ""] hahahaha hulkster in heaven!!!! |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 10:46pm - nickyhelliot ""] Since Samantha is a huge fucking wreckingball she doesn't have to worry about the pressures of these things. |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 10:48pm - Kory Breig ""] Hahaha she doesnt wear clothes she wears a tent. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jul 10,2006 10:57pm - Josh Martin NLI ""] A bunch of years ago, the guys who do the Syracuse Hardcore fest (which was held in Auburn, NY that year) booked AC to play for the sole intention of pissing everyone off. Long story short, it worked. Really really worked. That area is ridiculous with straightedge and PC people. At the house we stayed at, the morning of the show I walked down the street to get a hamburger. I got it to go and brought it back to the house. One of the kids who lived looked at me in horror and asked "Is that a REAL hamburger?" I answered "yes". At that point I didn't realize what kind of a scene I was in yet. Later I opened the freezer to throw in a bottle of vodka and it was chock full of veggie burgers and crap like that. If everyone has their own personal Hell when they die, I will end up in Syracuse. |