News: Lebanese Devastated In All Sorts of Ways
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[Jul 25,2006 11:15am - HailTheLeaf ""]
from http://www.alternet.org/story/39439/
"As the humanitarian crisis worsens by the hour, many Lebanese are angry at Hezbollah -- but they're even angrier at Israel.
Last Thursday Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora told reporters that his country has been torn to shreds. "Can the international community stand by while such callous retribution by the state of Israel is inflicted on us?"
Siniora also accused Israel of massacring Lebanese civilians and attempting to destroy everything that allows the country to stay alive.
The facts on the ground add credence to his remarks. The humanitarian crisis continues to worsen by the hour, with close to a million Lebanese displaced. Officials say at least 64 bridges have been bombed. Many roads are cut by the bombing, and this is hindering transportation of food and aid supplies.
Other Israeli targets have included the country's largest milk factory, a food factory, two pharmaceutical plants, water treatment centres, power plants, grain silos, a Greek Orthodox Church, hospitals and an ambulance convoy."
[Jul 25,2006 11:19am - Josh_hates_you ""]
your point?
[Jul 25,2006 11:20am - CaptainCleanoff ""]
You'll believe anything on that website won't you?
[Jul 25,2006 11:21am - Messerschmitt ""]
debbie schluschul
[Jul 25,2006 11:33am - HailTheLeaf ""]
Josh_hates_you said:your point?
I'm wondering why we're hellbent on starting WWIII over there...I mean, if this is supposed to distract us from how badly things are going in Iraq, they're really going out of their way...The U.S. government has helped to overthrow 14 governments in the past 100 years, maybe it's time we tried leaving everyone the fuck alone and concentrating on our own problems, like our lack of sustainable energy?
[Jul 25,2006 11:34am - powerkok ""]
HailTheLeaf said:
Other Israeli targets have included the country's largest milk factory, a food factory, two pharmaceutical plants, water treatment centres, power plants, grain silos, a Greek Orthodox Church, hospitals and an ambulance convoy."
good, good, good, great, good, ok, great, good, and good.
[Jul 25,2006 11:35am - powerkok ""]
how is Israel 'we'?
[Jul 25,2006 11:35am - HailTheLeaf ""]
CaptainCleanoff said:You'll believe anything on that website won't you?
you're implying that this information is false...have you seen any credible source that says otherwise?
[Jul 25,2006 11:36am - the_reverend ""]
but now where with powerkok get his viagra?
[Jul 25,2006 11:36am - powerkok ""]
and before you give me the US/Israeli connection rhetoric....
Remember, we have no final say in what they do.
Thats what UN is for.
This also, has been a long time coming.
[Jul 25,2006 11:37am - powerkok ""]
the_reverend said:but now where with powerkok get his viagra?
All natural bonerz here, Revvy.
[Jul 25,2006 11:38am - powerkok ""]
Plus....Jew Viagra only hardens a dong up to 3 inches.....the caucasion Viagra works on bigger wangs.
No, I made that up.
[Jul 25,2006 11:39am - ShadowSD ""]
CaptainCleanoff said:You'll believe anything on that website won't you?
Actually, in this case, none of this news is disputed or even hard to find, you just have to turn on the TV to see it.
[Jul 25,2006 11:39am - powerkok ""]
Depends on what channel you watch, and that, is sad.
[Jul 25,2006 11:40am - HailTheLeaf ""]
powerkok said:how is Israel 'we'?
Let's see, Israel doesn't piss until they get permission from the U.S. to do so, therefore we're quite involved. Everytime you turn on the news and hear that an Israeli helicopter fired misiles, or that an Israeli tank blew something up, it's a U.S. helicopter or a U.S. tank.
[Jul 25,2006 11:42am - the_reverend ""]
WRONG, isreal does what ever the fuck it wants and the americans fall in line and still give them 8 billion in aid a year.
[Jul 25,2006 11:42am - powerkok ""]
how did I know, even though I stated no rhetoric, that you would type the typical jargin.
Iraq Iran saudi....etc the list goes on, all have US weapons or transportation of some sort....so I guess gun makers should be sued if a gangster shoots a kid????
[Jul 25,2006 11:44am - powerkok ""]
Rev is 100% correct, you think if we said no, they would listen?
Doubtful.
In fact.....look at the whole Palestine thing about a year ago....we told Israel that it would NOT be a good idea.....did they listen?
History says no, they did not.
[Jul 25,2006 11:45am - ShadowSD ""]
powerkok said:how is Israel 'we'?
Israel is 'we' just like Hezbollah is 'they' (Syria and Iran). We have our pitbull that we don't take responsibility for, they have theirs. We're both willing to let our pitbulls fight without any restraint, until one day, when they gnaw our faces off.
powerkok said:Remember, we have no final say in what they do.
Just like many jackass pitbull owners, we own them and feed them, yet we love to say, "WE don't have control over what they do..."
[Jul 25,2006 11:48am - Man_of_the_Century ""]
the_reverend said:WRONG, isreal does what ever the fuck it wants and the americans fall in line and still give them 8 billion in aid a year.
Exactly, if you watched the news this morning, The U.N. (under the request of the U.S. and other nations) will be sending troops in to enforce a cease fire.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/25/mideast.diplomacy/index.html
They are going there to stop Israel, not help them. We had no (direct) part in this conflict.
[Jul 25,2006 11:48am - ShadowSD ""]
powerkok said:Iraq Iran saudi....etc the list goes on, all have US weapons or transportation of some sort....
Not billions of dollars of military aid every year for the last half a century, including nuclear technology. How can you say that's the same?
That's like if you were fighting some dude, and I gave him a bazooka and you a nerf bat, and said well I'm arming both of you, so what are you complaining about?
[Jul 25,2006 11:50am - the_reverend ""]
kok, we actually stopped payment on 400K that was the ammount they were using of our money towards a wall. it was later paid back in full, but during that time, donation from the US to Isreal must have skyrocketed.
[Jul 25,2006 11:50am - ShadowSD ""]
Man_of_the_Century said:They are going there to stop Israel, not help them. We had no (direct) part in this conflict.
No one said it was direct. That's how we get away with it.
[Jul 25,2006 11:50am - powerkok ""]
Now, comparing military and government to a canine is just astoundingly silly.
Im not defending Israel, fuck them, fuck Hezbollah too...I just cant take all the bleeding heart bullshit.
Take care of your own backyard, motherfuckers....if youre so worried about the fanatics over there...then please, go there and contribute to their aid.
Maybe get beheaded or gunned down in the process, by either side.
[Jul 25,2006 11:53am - powerkok ""]
ShadowSD said:
That's like if you were fighting some dude, and I gave him a bazooka and you a nerf bat, and said well I'm arming both of you, so what are you complaining about?
I could totally take out a bazookaist with a nerf bat, no prob!
[Jul 25,2006 11:54am - the_reverend ""]
what? you couldn't even conquer pot smoking with kick boxing you liar.
[Jul 25,2006 12:00pm - hungtableed ""]
HailTheLeaf said:Josh_hates_you said:your point?
I'm wondering why we're hellbent on starting WWIII over there...
first off, Israel does what they damn well please , secondly, none of this would have happened if the fucking head cutters in the Hezbollah death cult never kidnapped Israeli soldiers. If you think that Hezbollah is a bunch of good guys that never did us any harm, try and google 'Hezbollah attacks on the U.S.' You'll learn that they killed 200+ marines in a bombing attack in 1983 and kidnapped and killed a military officer in the same decade as well as at least a dozen other attacks on us personally. Admit it, you fucking hate America soooo much that you're logic is so fucking twisted that you cannot help but BLAME AMERICA FIRST.
[Jul 25,2006 12:03pm - the_reverend ""]
much like htb's blind hatred makes his posts unamerican.
it's the american way to have a fat ass and bitch about the government. that's what we fucking do. if you don't like it GO BACK TO WHERE TO CAME FROM ASSHOLE.
[Jul 25,2006 12:03pm - hungtableed ""]
the_reverend said:WRONG, isreal does what ever the fuck it wants and the americans fall in line and still give them 8 billion in aid a year.
bingo.
however, it still doesn't give an ounce of validity to HTL's comment regarding America being hell bent on starting WWIII. The only cock smokers who have mentioned WWIII, other than the drive by media, was Hezbollah who quote "Welcomed war with America and the start of WWIII"
[Jul 25,2006 12:03pm - powerkok ""]
the_reverend said:what? you couldn't even conquer pot smoking with kick boxing you liar.
That is easily conquered by pot smoking WHILE kickboxing.
[Jul 25,2006 12:06pm - ShadowSD ""]
powerkok said:Now, comparing military and government to a canine is just astoundingly silly.
Im not defending Israel, fuck them, fuck Hezbollah too...I just cant take all the bleeding heart bullshit.
Take care of your own backyard, motherfuckers....
That's why this story is important, it has everything to do with our backyard. To moderate Muslims, at this point we seem unwilling to reign in Israel no matter what they do, and to most of their daily lives, that is a more extreme position and a bigger security threat to them than terrorists. This automatically means more sympathy, recruitment, and safe harboring of terrorists around the world. Not good news for our backyard.
We could have responded to Israel's overreaching by saying they had a right to retrieve their soldiers, but firing weapons at the entire countryside of a sovereign nation with a democratically elected goverment will not be tolerated by ANYONE; we could threaten to cut off aid and unconditional support. Or at least draw a line in the sand SOMEWHERE where we would consider Israel to be "going too far". Any of those actions would yield only positive foreign policy ramifications, and no negative ones. It would undermine the key recruitment drive of the terrorist cause at no cost to us.
But we'll never do that the way things are going, even to save our own backyard. And that is what pisses me off.
[Jul 25,2006 12:06pm - hungtableed ""]
the_reverend said:much like htb's blind hatred makes his posts unamerican.
it's the american way to have a fat ass and bitch about the government. that's what we fucking do. if you don't like it GO BACK TO WHERE TO CAME FROM ASSHOLE.
what are you talking about? it is sooooooooo American to hate. You must have forgotten that we are much better than everyone else.
[Jul 25,2006 12:09pm - powerkok ""]
I mean our BACKYARD.
Here.
In the continental US.
not a 'controlled' region halfway around the globe.
Also...a sovereign nation?
Please!!!!!
Make me laugh some more!!!!
That place is full of bomb weilding terrorists.
[Jul 25,2006 12:11pm - ShadowSD ""]
hungtableed said:the_reverend said:WRONG, isreal does what ever the fuck it wants and the americans fall in line and still give them 8 billion in aid a year.
bingo.
however, it still doesn't give an ounce of validity to HTL's comment regarding America being hell bent on starting WWIII. The only cock smokers who have mentioned WWIII, other than the drive by media, was Hezbollah who quote "Welcomed war with America and the start of WWIII"
Fox News mentioned World War III over and over when the story began, and were the only ones on the news to do it (Colbert showed a montage of this at least twice). The first person I saw bring up WWIII anywhere else was you on this board a week or two ago. I can find the thread if there is any doubt about this...
[Jul 25,2006 12:12pm - the_reverend ""]
hungtableed said:what are you talking about? it is sooooooooo American to hate. You must have forgotten that we are much better than everyone else.
I am ignorant of this statement so I obviously have a rather large opinion that I'm going to force you to listen to. Now if you interrupt me with dudes kissing while I'm talking about the bible, you are going to be excommunicated.
[Jul 25,2006 12:14pm - powerkok ""]
awww whats wrong with doods kissing....gay rights blah blah, equal gay rights blah blah, I am a bleeding heart, blah blah.....FART!
[Jul 25,2006 12:14pm - ShadowSD ""]
powerkok said:I mean our BACKYARD.
Here.
So do I. This stuff can affect us here. See 9/11.
powerkok said:Also...a sovereign nation?
Please!!!!!
Make me laugh some more!!!!
That place is full of bomb weilding terrorists.
Lebanon actually did have a democratic election last year, and the Bush administation couldn't stop bragging about it and taking credit. They've used those words more than anyone else, so I can hold them to it.
[Jul 25,2006 12:15pm - powerkok ""]
Bush also calls this the internets...whats your point?
[Jul 25,2006 12:16pm - hungtableed ""]
ShadowSD said:hungtableed said:the_reverend said:WRONG, isreal does what ever the fuck it wants and the americans fall in line and still give them 8 billion in aid a year.
bingo.
however, it still doesn't give an ounce of validity to HTL's comment regarding America being hell bent on starting WWIII. The only cock smokers who have mentioned WWIII, other than the drive by media, was Hezbollah who quote "Welcomed war with America and the start of WWIII"
Fox News mentioned World War III over and over when the story began, and were the only ones on the news to do it (Colbert showed a montage of this at least twice). The first person I saw bring up WWIII anywhere else was you on this board a week or two ago. I can find the thread if there is any doubt about this...
look it up if you want, but If I remember correctly I was referencing Hezbollah and their comments that I just repeated here. And what makes you think that Fox News isn't part of the drive-by media? CNN had a program on last night titled (something along the lines of) The Crisis in the Middle East - a sign of Armageddon?
[Jul 25,2006 12:17pm - HailTheLeaf ""]
the_reverend said:WRONG, isreal does what ever the fuck it wants and the americans fall in line and still give them 8 billion in aid a year.
Somehow I doubt that, but even if they did act without a word from the U.S government, they're funded by us, we pay taxes so they can blow the fuck out of whoever they want? Using our weapons to do so? We're responsible in either case.
[Jul 25,2006 12:17pm - hungtableed ""]
the_reverend said:hungtableed said:what are you talking about? it is sooooooooo American to hate. You must have forgotten that we are much better than everyone else.
I obviously have a rather large opinion that I'm going to force you to listen to.
shit man, me too, as well as about 85% of this forum....it's surprizing that we don't get along better than we do here.
[Jul 25,2006 12:18pm - powerkok ""]
No...not really.
By saying that, youre saying were responsible for basically any and all conflicts in the world.
[Jul 25,2006 12:19pm - powerkok ""]
that was to htl
[Jul 25,2006 12:20pm - ShadowSD ""]
hungtableed said:first off, Israel does what they damn well please
We're their only military ally. They've been completely dependent on our military aid and protection as long as they've been a country.
hungtableed said: , secondly, none of this would have happened if the fucking head cutters in the Hezbollah death cult never kidnapped Israeli soldiers.
Yup, you're right. And there would be no Hezbollah if the US hadn't decided to give away land that it didn't own or have any claim to to create Israel in 1948.
[Jul 25,2006 12:20pm - powerkok ""]
Hers some news for you, HTL...
Did you know, that Israel actually trains US!?!?!
Countless US soldiers, civilians are trained in 'Israeli tactics', ranging from Handgun training to bomb defusal.
Look it up.
[Jul 25,2006 12:24pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
Fuck Israel.
Fuck Hezbollah.
Both of your religions are nonsense. You are kidnapping, assassinating, and fighting over absolutely nothing. Please finish each other off and take your prehistoric conflicts and ideals with you.
[Jul 25,2006 12:24pm - ShadowSD ""]
hungtableed said:CNN had a program on last night titled (something along the lines of) The Crisis in the Middle East - a sign of Armageddon?
Ha, well I guess they're catching up then. Around the same time last week that Colbert was busting on Fox using the WWIII term, Jon Stewart was making fun of the fact that CNN was so cautious that they were calling the story "Brink of War?" (like there needs to be a question mark).
[Jul 25,2006 12:25pm - ShadowSD ""]
DrinkHardThrashHard said:Fuck Israel.
Fuck Hezbollah.
Both of your religions are nonsense. You are kidnapping, assassinating, and fighting over absolutely nothing. Please finish each other off and take your prehistoric conflicts and ideals with you.
[Jul 25,2006 12:25pm - hungtableed ""]
yea, do you want to know why too?
Because their tactics are better than ours. That's why in week 1 of basic combat training, recruits learn the Israeli form of jujitsu. The martial arts employed by the Israeli's is one of the most deadliest in the world.
[Jul 25,2006 12:27pm - hungtableed ""]
ShadowSD said:DrinkHardThrashHard said:Fuck Israel.
Fuck Hezbollah.
Both of your religions are nonsense. You are kidnapping, assassinating, and fighting over absolutely nothing. Please finish each other off and take your prehistoric conflicts and ideals with you.
:NEWHORNS::NEWHORNS:
however, I fucking hate the smell of curry, so I could probably never really like them fucking muslims.
[Jul 25,2006 12:27pm - the_reverend ""]
HailTheLeaf said:the_reverend said:WRONG, isreal does what ever the fuck it wants and the americans fall in line and still give them 8 billion in aid a year.
Somehow I doubt that, but even if they did act without a word from the U.S government, they're funded by us, we pay taxes so they can blow the fuck out of whoever they want? Using our weapons to do so? We're responsible in either case.
watch our leader's faces whenever isreal does anything. they are completely "why the fuck" and "oh shit, I'm getting the squirts.. what the fuck do I do now"
[Jul 25,2006 12:29pm - HailTheLeaf ""]
DrinkHardThrashHard said:Fuck Israel.
Fuck Hezbollah.
Both of your religions are nonsense. You are kidnapping, assassinating, and fighting over absolutely nothing. Please finish each other off and take your prehistoric conflicts and ideals with you.
Pretty much, it's 2006 and we've evolved so far that we're killing each other over which imaginary man in the sky is better to follow.
[Jul 25,2006 12:32pm - HailTheLeaf ""]
the_reverend said:HailTheLeaf said:the_reverend said:WRONG, isreal does what ever the fuck it wants and the americans fall in line and still give them 8 billion in aid a year.
Somehow I doubt that, but even if they did act without a word from the U.S government, they're funded by us, we pay taxes so they can blow the fuck out of whoever they want? Using our weapons to do so? We're responsible in either case.
watch our leader's faces whenever isreal does anything. they are completely "why the fuck" and "oh shit, I'm getting the squirts.. what the fuck do I do now"
our leaders? come on now, they look like that when anything happens...
[Jul 25,2006 12:34pm - ShadowSD ""]
HailTheLeaf said:Pretty much, it's 2006 and we've evolved so far that we're killing each other over which imaginary man in the sky is better to follow.
And they're not even different imaginary men, just Imaginary Man v. 1.0 and Imaginary Man v. 3.0
[Jul 25,2006 12:35pm - pam ""]
the_reverend said:WRONG, isreal does what ever the fuck it wants and the americans fall in line and still give them 8 billion in aid a year.
You are correct sir! Fuck the middle east, already.
[Jul 25,2006 12:35pm - the_reverend ""]
honestly, isreal is the bomb millitarily. look at the stuff they've done in the past
1) Masada http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masada
2) a rocket maker goes to the other side, found dead
3) phone bombs
http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cfm?id=5232&CFID=18811606&CFTOKEN=12697953
4) the air martials for El-Al
5) smallest country to make it's own fighter jets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Kfir
6) got all the pharohs in egypt to suck their dicks
[Jul 25,2006 12:37pm - ShadowSD ""]
hungtableed said:however, I fucking hate the smell of curry, so I could probably never really like them fucking muslims.
I think you mean Hindus. Hindus eat curry, Muslims eat saffron.
[Jul 25,2006 12:38pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
Earth to humanity:
Yeah...so, I know you like to ignore this fact, but...yeah...you're on a TIMER.
So get it together, stop scraping each others' knees at the playground, and pack your things, because the eviction notice is past due. Grow up and get out.
[Jul 25,2006 12:38pm - the_reverend ""]
they've also flown into a ton of people from nazi to hamas to bomb makers all over the world. they do what the fuck they want for they are the chosen people. there was a great post on here about christianity being a scam to make christians protect the jews. guess what, IT WORKED.
there was a flash animation about what happened in the middle east if we invaded iraq. it was posted like 02 or 03, I need to find it.
[Jul 25,2006 12:39pm - HailTheLeaf ""]
I think you mean Hindus. Hindus eat curry, Muslims eat saffron.
I love indian food...I've got a badass recipe for kheer
[Jul 25,2006 12:41pm - the_reverend ""]
kheer!?! that's terrorist talk!
[Jul 25,2006 12:42pm - the_reverend ""]
I just bumped that thread.
[Jul 25,2006 12:43pm - ShadowSD ""]
Any kh sound is terrorist talk. If you clear your throat, you not with us, you're against us.
[Jul 25,2006 12:49pm - the_reverend ""]
http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=720#bottom
I just watched it.
brilliant
[Jul 25,2006 1:12pm - CaptainCleanoff ""]
HailTheLeaf said:I think you mean Hindus. Hindus eat curry, Muslims eat saffron.
I love indian food...I've got a badass recipe for kheer You must have the runs big time.
>:]
[Jul 25,2006 1:12pm - pam ""]
Curry smells like dirty brown people.
[Jul 25,2006 1:21pm - Man_of_the_Century ""]
HailTheLeaf said:Somehow I doubt that, but even if they did act without a word from the U.S government, they're funded by us, we pay taxes so they can blow the fuck out of whoever they want? Using our weapons to do so? We're responsible in either case.
Thats like saying its Ford's fault there are car accidents cause they supply people with cars. Its Acme Ropes and Razors Company fault for suicides cause they sell us ropes and razors. We gave them weapons to defend themselves, they used them to attack.
We should have never gave the Jews a country in the first place. This is the only fault you can put on us. We gave them land in an area that wasn't too fond of them to begin with. And now there will be fighting till one of them dies. All we can do is hope that no one outside of that area gets hurt in the process.
[Jul 25,2006 1:24pm - pam ""]
Man_of_the_Century said:HailTheLeaf said:Somehow I doubt that, but even if they did act without a word from the U.S government, they're funded by us, we pay taxes so they can blow the fuck out of whoever they want? Using our weapons to do so? We're responsible in either case.
Thats like saying its Ford's fault there are car accidents cause they supply people with cars. Its Acme Ropes and Razors Company fault for suicides cause they sell us ropes and razors. We gave them weapons to defend themselves, they used them to attack.
We should have never gave the Jews a country in the first place. This is the only fault you can put on us. We gave them land in an area that wasn't too fond of them to begin with. And now there will be fighting till one of them dies. All we can do is hope that no one outside of that area gets hurt in the process.
/most intelligent post on this thread
[Jul 25,2006 1:28pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
Man_of_the_Century said:
We should have never gave the Jews a country in the first place. This is the only fault you can put on us. We gave them land in an area that wasn't too fond of them to begin with. And now there will be fighting till one of them dies. All we can do is hope that no one outside of that area gets hurt in the process.
I agree with your statement, however, I don't believe the fault ends there, because I can't believe we just put them there with no political or economic motivation of our own. Israel is an important foothold in the Middle East for the United States.
[Jul 25,2006 1:44pm - Man_of_the_Century ""]
DrinkHardThrashHard said:I agree with your statement, however, I don't believe the fault ends there, because I can't believe we just put them there with no political or economic motivation of our own. Israel is an important foothold in the Middle East for the United States.
If the rest of the middle east doesn't like them, they wouldn't be much of a foothold. That could have been one of the thoughts behind it when it happened, but it didn't last long. Now its more of "How can we keep them alive now?"
[Jul 25,2006 1:52pm - the_reverend ""]
more of a single toe hold.
here is the reason that the US backs Israel with $$
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism
The modern Ingathering of the Jewish People to Eretz Israel and the rebirth of the nation of Israel are in fulfilment of biblical prophecies, as written in both Old and New Testaments.
[Jul 25,2006 2:37pm - Y_Ddraig_Goch ""]
I like that godzilla movie I think godzilla vs king kong "Maybe we will get lucky and they will both die"
[Jul 25,2006 2:39pm - RichHorror ""]
I want to see some pictures of these devastated lesbians. Sounds hot.
[Jul 25,2006 2:56pm - pam ""]
RichHorror said:I want to see some pictures of these devastated lesbians. Sounds hot.
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[Jul 25,2006 2:58pm - ShadowSD ""]
There was a great op-ed piece about all this by journalist Richard Cohen in The Washington Post a week ago today:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...cle/2006/07/17/AR2006071701154.html
"The greatest mistake Israel could make at the moment is to forget that Israel itself is a mistake. It is an honest mistake, a well-intentioned mistake, a mistake for which no one is culpable, but the idea of creating a nation of European Jews in an area of Arab Muslims (and some Christians) has produced a century of warfare and terrorism of the sort we are seeing now. Israel fights Hezbollah in the north and Hamas in the south, but its most formidable enemy is history itself.
This is why the Israeli-Arab war, now transformed into the Israeli-Muslim war (Iran is not an Arab state), persists and widens. It is why the conflict mutates and festers. It is why Israel is now fighting an organization, Hezbollah, that did not exist 30 years ago and why Hezbollah is being supported by a nation, Iran, that was once a tacit ally of Israel's. The underlying, subterranean hatred of the Jewish state in the Islamic world just keeps bubbling to the surface. The leaders of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and some other Arab countries may condemn Hezbollah, but I doubt the proverbial man in their street shares that view.
There is no point in condemning Hezbollah. Zealots are not amenable to reason. There is, though, a point in cautioning Israel to exercise restraint -- not for the sake of its enemies but for itself.
Hard-line critics of Ariel Sharon always said this would happen: Gaza would become a terrorist haven. They said that the moderate Palestinian Authority would not be able to control the militants and that Gaza would be used to fire rockets into Israel and to launch terrorist raids. This is precisely what has happened.
All that the critics warned has come true. But worse than what is happening now would be a retaking of those territories. That would put Israel smack back to where it was, subjugating a restless, angry population and having the world look on as it committed the inevitable sins of an occupying power. The smart choice is to pull back to defensible -- but hardly impervious -- borders. That includes getting out of most of the West Bank -- and waiting (and hoping) that history will get distracted and move on to something else. It is best for Israel to hunker down."
[Jul 25,2006 5:02pm - ShadowSD ""]
I can't believe this thread got over three hundred views in three hours. I guess that's what happens when you deprive this place of a political thread for a week.
[Jul 25,2006 5:10pm - CaptainCleanoff ""]
HailTheLeaf said:from http://www.alternet.org/story/39439/
"As the humanitarian crisis worsens by the hour, many Lebanese are angry at Hezbollah -- but they're even angrier at Israel.
Last Thursday Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora told reporters that his country has been torn to shreds. "Can the international community stand by while such callous retribution by the state of Israel is inflicted on us?"
Siniora also accused Israel of massacring Lebanese civilians and attempting to destroy everything that allows the country to stay alive.
The facts on the ground add credence to his remarks. The humanitarian crisis continues to worsen by the hour, with close to a million Lebanese displaced. Officials say at least 64 bridges have been bombed. Many roads are cut by the bombing, and this is hindering transportation of food and aid supplies.
Other Israeli targets have included the country's largest milk factory, a food factory, two pharmaceutical plants, water treatment centres, power plants, grain silos, a Greek Orthodox Church, hospitals and an ambulance convoy."
BTW, I do not care for either side, but just so I know. I guess the little Jew girl that got killed by the hezbo's firing rockets with no intended target dying today means nothing to you, right? Just curious. You always seem to defend the arabs to the point of it being sick.
[Jul 25,2006 5:16pm - Hoser ""]
HailTheLeaf said:powerkok said:how is Israel 'we'?
Let's see, Israel doesn't piss until they get permission from the U.S. to do so, therefore we're quite involved. Everytime you turn on the news and hear that an Israeli helicopter fired misiles, or that an Israeli tank blew something up, it's a U.S. helicopter or a U.S. tank.
Hey skank, ever hear of the 6 day war? I'll bet not. Ever hear of the USS Liberty? Again, I bet not. Because Alternet wouldn't print that, now would they? Look it up. I hate Israel with a passion, believe me. But the Middle East has been a bomb that has been slowly exploding for over 1000 years. For you to blame the US is idiocy. And well, you're an idiot so, I guess that about sums it up.
[Jul 25,2006 5:18pm - Hoser ""]
If you want to crucify your country for anything, crucify them for their blatant disregard for the men of the USS Liberty.
[Jul 25,2006 5:27pm - powerkok ""]
Israel claims they mistook our ship for the out-of-service Egyptian horse carrier El Quseir and that we brought the attack upon ourselves by operating in a war zone without displaying a flag. Not so. We were in international waters, far from any fighting, and flew a bright, clean, new American flag.
[Jul 25,2006 5:29pm - powerkok ""]
Fuck Israel and Hezbollah, like has been stated before.
Whilst fighting the united arab emerates, (the 6 day war) Israel got cocky...that is the bottom line.
[Jul 25,2006 7:42pm - CaptainCleanoff ""]
Hoser said:HailTheLeaf said:powerkok said:how is Israel 'we'?
Let's see, Israel doesn't piss until they get permission from the U.S. to do so, therefore we're quite involved. Everytime you turn on the news and hear that an Israeli helicopter fired misiles, or that an Israeli tank blew something up, it's a U.S. helicopter or a U.S. tank.
Hey skank, ever hear of the 6 day war? I'll bet not. Ever hear of the USS Liberty? Again, I bet not. Because Alternet wouldn't print that, now would they? Look it up. I hate Israel with a passion, believe me. But the Middle East has been a bomb that has been slowly exploding for over 1000 years. For you to blame the US is idiocy. And well, you're an idiot so, I guess that about sums it up.
I would like to see this hippy whore terrorist lover answer this and what I said as well. Good call on this bro. I guess she climbed under the slimy rock from where she came from. What a fucking douche.
[Jul 25,2006 9:02pm - infoterror ""]
JIHAD NOW!!11!
[Jul 25,2006 11:01pm - Abbath ""]
israel is the US's pitbull, and we've let it off it's lease. i would not want to fuck with israel
[Jul 25,2006 11:21pm - ArrowHead nli ""]
Shut up, you stupid hippie. These fuckbags have been killing each other for literally thousands of years over a story in a fucking book.
Why should we do anything? The "international community" has made MANY attempts to step in there and create balance. Just let em sort themselves out. Fuck em.
[Jul 25,2006 11:22pm - Murph ""]
anti-semetic sentiment has run too deep throughout history for any "civilized" and sympathtic nation to really question any decidedly Jewish state. I too hold such people in high regard and with deep sympathies, even though their history has had its share of turmoil, deceit, conspiracy, and murder. I am wholeheartedly on the side of those that say fuck both sides, because frankly I am sick and tired of people wasting their lives along with the lives of others doing absolutely nothing constructive; in fact the opposite, completely destructive. People, life and death are our reality, and their dogmatic arrogance for the supercedes it.
Muslim factions will never be fully understood by the US just as we were so taken aback by Kamikaze pilots in WWII because we see struggle with structure and goals, not the terrorist view which has a single goal of fear. Also, for our religious leading lights, the absence of direct Islamic studies in school raises children ignorant to such a devout faith (especially because of a Christian dominated nation and the Koran states the Jesus was a mortal prophet who didn't die on the cross and was smuggled to finish his days elsewhere.)
I mean, the sheer history of outside influence is was fuels a conflict we might never understand. And for those of you that discount biblical history, let it be known Ariel Sharon referenced the biblical Battle of Jericho during conflicts in the 50's. A secular state in the Middle East would be beautiful, but for now, lets bring our boys home and let the wolves heckle over the tiny pieces of meat left in the desert. We could pour our money into alternative energy research and maybe save some lives and our struggling economy. I love this fucking country, and I want it to be a great place for my kids to grow up in; not cause them any reason to doubt or defame it.
sorry to be so long winded, but I've been catching up on so much history lately and the lessons that should have been learned have not. Also, REV brought up a link to Masada, its very interesting, as 970 ascetics took their own lives rather than deal with Roman-influenced Jewish rule. Its inbred history boys and girls, learned pride over thosands of years.
[Jul 25,2006 11:29pm - ArrowHead nli ""]
You put a lot of insight into that.
Actually though, It's not a lack of understanding that leads people against muslim conflicts in the middle east. It's the fact that they're vulgar and barbaric. These people literally walk into each others communities tossing about bombs over biblical bullshit that I don't give two craps about.
These people don't deserve help. They need to be given the freedom to wipe each other out, and finally prove who god really likes better.
[Jul 26,2006 12:01am - Murph ""]
Well, the thing is, the Koran is looked literally like a revision of the history from the Old and New Testaments. So therefore, to them, their beliefs are more current, the "real" way things have happened. In no way am I justifying their claim or practices, but growing with such a feeling of spiritual entitlement is just asking for trouble.
So I agree, let them wipe each other off the face of the Earth. If youre not there to stake your claim for any backwards belief system, get the fuck out and save yourself
[Jul 26,2006 2:12am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
If religious figures and institutions lie today, in the information age where it's easiest for them to get caught, who in their right mind would trust religious figures and institutions from thousands of years ago?
[Jul 26,2006 2:36am - INFECT ""]
stupid people
[Jul 26,2006 3:54pm - HailTheLeaf ""]
CaptainCleanoff said:HailTheLeaf said:from http://www.alternet.org/story/39439/
"As the humanitarian crisis worsens by the hour, many Lebanese are angry at Hezbollah -- but they're even angrier at Israel.
Last Thursday Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora told reporters that his country has been torn to shreds. "Can the international community stand by while such callous retribution by the state of Israel is inflicted on us?"
Siniora also accused Israel of massacring Lebanese civilians and attempting to destroy everything that allows the country to stay alive.
The facts on the ground add credence to his remarks. The humanitarian crisis continues to worsen by the hour, with close to a million Lebanese displaced. Officials say at least 64 bridges have been bombed. Many roads are cut by the bombing, and this is hindering transportation of food and aid supplies.
Other Israeli targets have included the country's largest milk factory, a food factory, two pharmaceutical plants, water treatment centres, power plants, grain silos, a Greek Orthodox Church, hospitals and an ambulance convoy."
BTW, I do not care for either side, but just so I know. I guess the little Jew girl that got killed by the hezbo's firing rockets with no intended target dying today means nothing to you, right? Just curious. You always seem to defend the arabs to the point of it being sick.
I'd defend any people who happen to be getting bombed for no reason right now, people who don't want to be involved, people who are dying because of what their government or other governments do. Whether they are Arab or Jewish isn't a concern for me since I don't believe in imaginary men in the sky. I've focused on the Lebanese in this particular post because the nation of Israel happens to be bombing the shit out of innocent people there with weapons that were provided by the country I reside in. It's a bit of an overreaction I think. Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel and killing innocent people makes them no better or worse. Both are engaging in terrorism, and killing civilains, only one is funded by my tax dollars. Your assumption that I wouldn't care about a little Jewish girl being blown up is both immature and retarded.
[Jul 26,2006 4:01pm - CaptainCleanoff ""]
Just face it and admit it HTL, you hate America and love the towelheads. You really need to get over yourself. I am not the only one here that sees that you are the most one sided transparent one on the board. I will admit, I am doing nothing about the problems of the world, but are you except for bitching about it? If you do not like "residing" here then get the fuck out. But I have to admit, you only put this shit on a metal board to get people fired up, it works but take it to republican board and spout your BS there. Grow up, you are doing nothing and you are not changing shit. You are nothing but a spouter with no direction.
[Jul 26,2006 4:34pm - ShadowSD ""]
Bitching about problems is a democratic duty. Not bitching about it, and only taking shots at people who do bitch, is a deriliction of democracy. The price of freedom is vigilance. To argue with this is to argue with the founding fathers.
It takes balls for an American to stick up for Arabs in the political climate of the last five years. It takes no balls at all to call them towelheads, it's the most tired cliche of an ignorant pack mentality, and the easiest cheap shot in the world to take.
Posting an article that says absolutely nothing controversial or disputed about Lebanon is not a sign of hating America. Hating America is suggesting that any citizen who sees an imperfection in the state automatically doesn't like living here and should leave the country. That's a fascist principle, and completely un-American.
[Jul 26,2006 4:42pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
I think HTL just has a different way of loving America than some of you guys. I don't think she hates her country.
[Jul 27,2006 12:08pm - ShadowSD ""]
Exactly. This is a great quote by the way:
DrinkHardThrashHard said:If religious figures and institutions lie today, in the information age where it's easiest for them to get caught, who in their right mind would trust religious figures and institutions from thousands of years ago?
[Jul 27,2006 12:21pm - HailTheLeaf ""]
When did hating the government and hating the country become the same thing? I hate malls, fat stupid people, urban sprawl, and american idol, I must be a terrorist.
[Jul 27,2006 12:23pm - powerkok ""]
since you lump them together all the time, with words like we, and us.
[Jul 27,2006 12:54pm - ShadowSD ""]
Just saw this on CNN International when I turned on the TV:
Four UN observers were killed by the Israeli army yesterday when their observation post was hit by a shell and two bombs. On the day that the post was hit, the peacekeepers logged about a dozen warnings to Israel's military that shellfire was coming too close. At first, it appeared the attack was deliberate, drawing immediate Israeli denials, but no explanation. The UN post had stood since observers came to Lebanon over fifty years ago.
[Jul 27,2006 1:38pm - HailTheLeaf ""]
Looks like they're closer than ever to resolving this eh? Nothing says "we want peace" like blowing up UN observers.