Understanding the Hatred of Dimebag on RTTP[views:13220][posts:74]___________________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 2:59pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] Looking for contructive answers to why the majority of the people on this board think Dimebag sucks. Hear's your chance to demonstrate that you have valid opinions with legitimate reasons to back them up. ...i'm probably gonna pay for this one. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:00pm - sacreligion ""] everyone who hates him's answer: "CAUSE HE WAS IN PANTERA AND THEY AREN'T METAL!" nobody takes into effect his instrumental prowess and the authority he played with |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:01pm - babyshaker nli ""] i can understand thinking he's way over rated but if you really think he wasn't good at guitar at all let me pick a song, play the entire song solo and all on video and i'll completely except your opinion |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:01pm - metal_church101 ""] RIP Dime |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:03pm - metal_church101 ""] Probably because Pantera doesn't fit into just one metal genre and one metal genre alone that they like. --- RIP Dime and Chuck Schuldiner |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:03pm - dreadkill ""] people hate him because pantera ripped off exhorder after beinga glam band and they influenced all kinds of bad nu-metal and metalcore bands. that's why people hate dimebag. NOTE: this isn't my opinion of dimebag. this is among the reasons why other people hate him. |
| _____________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:04pm - pam ""] I'm a fan of both Dime and Pantera. I don't really give a shit if other people think I'm un-tr00 for it. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:05pm - metal_church101 ""] dreadkill said:people hate him because pantera ripped off exhorder after beinga glam band and they influenced all kinds of bad nu-metal and metalcore bands. that's why people hate dimebag. I agree with being influenced/ripped off Exhorder part, but leads wise, Dime smokes Exhorder. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:05pm - atthehaunted ""] Pantera was metal for the time and they were great at it. The only reason your mad is because the song "Good friends and a bottle of pills" is about u and ur girlfriend. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:06pm - RichHorror ""] Because it makes faggots sad and mad. |
| _____________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:06pm - pam ""] dreadkill said:people hate him because pantera ripped off exhorder after beinga glam band and they influenced all kinds of bad nu-metal and metalcore bands. that's why people hate dimebag. Yeah well, everyone rips off everyone, shit happens. Faith No More influenced nu-metal too. You have no control over who you influence. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:06pm - babyshaker nli ""] p.s i also listen to the power metal cd lick my scrotum if you got a problem with that |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:10pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] I dont even see how Exhorder compares to Pantera. If anything Kyle Thomas ripped off Phil Anselmo and Down with pisspoor Floodgate. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:10pm - RichHorror ""] Yeah, because I live in Texas. I laughed when fagtards had RIP Dime parties. I love it when celebrities are killed. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:14pm - dreadkill ""] pam said:I'm a fan of both Dime and Pantera. I don't really give a shit if other people think I'm un-tr00 for it. i agree with you. i was a huge pantera fan and still listen to them. they were metal, but some people resent them for their influence on crappy music. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:14pm - dreadkill ""] metal_church101 said:dreadkill said:people hate him because pantera ripped off exhorder after beinga glam band and they influenced all kinds of bad nu-metal and metalcore bands. that's why people hate dimebag. I agree with being influenced/ripped off Exhorder part, but leads wise, Dime smokes Exhorder. i think dimebag was a very unique guitarist and one of the best i ever had the pleasure of seeing. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:15pm - Yeti ""] Pantera rules, always has, always will. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:16pm - dreadkill ""] also, who gives a shit why people hate a band/musician? if you like it, listen to it. fuck other people's opinions. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:19pm - Yeti ""] i've done my research on this whole "Pantera ripped of Exhorder" crap, and while maybe back in the day the style played by Pantera sounded like Exhorder, its a bit ridiculous to say they ripped them off. why isnt Exhorder more widely known if they are so revolutionary? there is a fine line between influence and plagiarism, i'd definitely classify that as influence. |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:19pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] dreadkill said:also, who gives a shit why people hate a band/musician? if you like it, listen to it. fuck other people's opinions. I just thought it would make for interesting conversation - and I'm really curious why such a great musician gets hated on so much. Smoke a blunt and chill Mr Hostility. I think its pretty obvious that most of the derogatory comments are just get a rise out of people. Luckily, I dont give a shit. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:19pm - Yeti ""] dreadkill said:also, who gives a shit why people hate a band/musician? if you like it, listen to it. fuck other people's opinions. thats how i live my life. fuck this genre/opinion crap. if you like it, listen to it. if you dont, dont. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:22pm - dreadkill ""] FuckIsMySignature said:dreadkill said:also, who gives a shit why people hate a band/musician? if you like it, listen to it. fuck other people's opinions. I just thought it would make for interesting conversation - and I'm really curious why such a great musician gets hated on so much. Smoke a blunt and chill Mr Hostility. I think its pretty obvious that most of the derogatory comments are just get a rise out of people. Luckily, I dont give a shit. ha, how am i mr. hostility? i'm trying to bring more peace to your life by telling you not to give a shit about other people's opinions. :spineyes: |
| _______________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:25pm - eddie ""] what's there to understand? |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:25pm - DreamingInExile ""] Dime was a great player. I still like Pantera, I don't care what anyone says. I'm surprised Dwyer hasn't hit this thread yet... |
| ______________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:27pm - Yeti ""] soon enough... |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:27pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] dreadkill said:FuckIsMySignature said:dreadkill said:also, who gives a shit why people hate a band/musician? if you like it, listen to it. fuck other people's opinions. I just thought it would make for interesting conversation - and I'm really curious why such a great musician gets hated on so much. Smoke a blunt and chill Mr Hostility. I think its pretty obvious that most of the derogatory comments are just get a rise out of people. Luckily, I dont give a shit. ha, how am i mr. hostility? i'm trying to bring more peace to your life by telling you not to give a shit about other people's opinions. :spineyes: Fair enough. I do, however have a very peaceful life. But its full of wonder and curiousity. Its not like I'm gonna lose sleep over the fact someone else doesnt like a band/musician that I like. Maybe I should go into psycology and do my Thesis on RTTP. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 3:43pm - metal_church101 ""] FuckIsMySignature said:dreadkill said:FuckIsMySignature said:dreadkill said:also, who gives a shit why people hate a band/musician? if you like it, listen to it. fuck other people's opinions. I just thought it would make for interesting conversation - and I'm really curious why such a great musician gets hated on so much. Smoke a blunt and chill Mr Hostility. I think its pretty obvious that most of the derogatory comments are just get a rise out of people. Luckily, I dont give a shit. ha, how am i mr. hostility? i'm trying to bring more peace to your life by telling you not to give a shit about other people's opinions. :spineyes: Fair enough. I do, however have a very peaceful life. But its full of wonder and curiousity. Its not like I'm gonna lose sleep over the fact someone else doesnt like a band/musician that I like. Maybe I should go into psycology and do my Thesis on RTTP. LOL. That'll be an assignment and a half. |
| ____________________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 4:20pm - ConquerTheBaphomet ""] I like Pantera with no shame. Dime was a great guitarist and his style was unique in his day. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 5:39pm - Anthony nli ""] FuckIsMySignature said:I dont even see how Exhorder compares to Pantera. If anything Kyle Thomas ripped off Phil Anselmo and Down with pisspoor Floodgate. Kyle didn't rip off shit. All those bands came from the same scene and that is the NOLA sound. Floodgate kicks ass. |
| _____________________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 6:43pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] He was a great guitar player and probably the only positive thing I could think of Pantera. Who cares who likes him or not. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 6:48pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] Yeti said:Pantera sucks, always has, always will. True. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 9:23pm - xanonymousx ""] http://www.myspace.com/dimebagdarrell |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 9:32pm - xanonymousx ""] i stand by that without Pantera, At the Gates and Iron Maiden there wouldn't be Metalcore or alot of bands like that style, but look at all the great bands that came out of those bands... i think that darrel was a great guitar player for what he did and how he did it.. but i believe he is over rated. |
| ___________________________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 10:20pm - the Ghost of Olneyville ""] It was a shame that Dimebag got iced the way he did...the guy who did it was a piece of shit. But regardless..i always thought Pantera were cheesy. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 14,2006 10:56pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] [img] |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 12:33am - deadlikemurf ""] sure i agree pantera was cheesy... but that's part of what them great... i mean shit why does everything have to be rigid and institutional... i mean they were from texas for christ sakes. 99% of texas is, by a northerner's classification, cheesy. people that say music is about integrity make me chuckle. ... i always thought of dimebag as a good guitarist but i never really understood how amazing he was as a player until i really listened to alot of the shit on the dimevision cd to watch him rip so many crazy ass solos effortlessly... people like to rip on people when they die especially when they are known, to cause a stir... and as far as how he went out... we all gotta die somehow and that shit was awful but how fucking metal is it that he died in a hail of bullets playing onstage with his band... better than dying in a bed. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 12:47am - powerkok ""] Dime was the man. Anyone into metal of any kind should just face this fact. Are there better players out there? Sure, but he had a signature style, and thats a rare quality to find, in any musical form. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 1:20am - Neverpurified ""] Dime never claimed to be the greatest guitar player in the world; he usually pointed out the guitarists he admired and looked up to in his interviews. He was up there on stage, or in the studio, he was having a good time, especially on stage. He was playing the music he loved to play and had a damn good time doing it. So maybe he didn't put on the "metal face" and tried to act super evil and kvlt and n3kr0 and br00tal and all that other bullshit that so many guys try to do. He didn't have to; he went out on stage with a smile and a positive attitude, and still played some of the heaviest riffs I've ever heard. Dime loved what he did, and it showed in his performance. That's why I have so much admiration and respect for Dimebag Darrel, and no amount of bashing on this forum is going to make me think otherwise. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 1:21am - RichHorror ""] Metal kids cry too much. I do it because I'm a fucking asshole. Deal, fagmos. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 1:28am - Dissector NLI ""] I agree 100% with Richard. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 1:43am - AUTOPSY_666 ""] Fuck Diamond "Bodybag" Darrel, biggest trend-hopper out there. Glam is big, he's into Glam. Aggressive Thrash and he's into it, even though PANTERA sucked. Nu-Metal, oh I will play that now. Thank you, Nathan Gale. |
| _______________________________ [Dec 15,2006 2:36am - boine ""] if they ripped off exhorder how come cowboys was out before slaughter at the vatican |
| __________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 3:04am - Cecchini ""] i like pantera, i don't really care if they rode trends or not, that stuff doesnt really bother me. either way, my opinion or anybody elses opinion on a band you like ultimately doesnt matter. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 3:21am - AUTOPSY_666 ""] boine said:if they ripped off exhorder how come cowboys was out before slaughter at the vatican Demo tapes. [img] |
| __________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 3:32am - powerkok ""] Ya too bad Exhorder dosent hold a candle to Dime, when it comes to shredding. Nice try tho. Why did Pantera get all the recognition, if Exhorder was so good, that Pantera needed to copy them? |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 3:33am - AUTOPSY_666 ""] Exhorder - Get Rude, Demo, 1986 This is the first of the two demos Exhorder released in the 80's that Phil Anselmo, apparently, spread like the plague throughout Texas and whilst Anselmo and co. were buffing up their codpieces and teasing their locks, Exhorder were making the first steps towards their breathtaking thrash intensity on Slaughter In The Vatican and The Law. All the tracks on here are well executed and show a good example of their infancy. The trademark scratchy production is pretty prevalent and the guitar tone is nowhere near the realms of trouser soiling brutality on Slaughter In The Vatican but from the demo its clear to see they were a promising unit. Bestial Noises lends the demo a dangerous , if somewhat of a cliche, air and Wake The Dead is a steady instrumental which plods and darts away with velocity as does the follow up "Ripping Flesh" which takes a huge leaf out of the Dark Angel book of a "Thousand neck snapping riffs a minute and lightning fast vocals". The remaining 3 tracks are all competently delivered however Exhorders famed asset of the suffocatingly heavy guitar tone isnt on show and so the tracks lack that extra kick. Without it they sound like another band from that period who tried to recreate their own "Darkness Descends" i.e Sacrifice (Can), Sadus, Devastation. Another factor which sets it apart from the Vatican album and The Law is Kyle Thomas's Vocals which are a style very similar to that guy from Sacrifice (Can) and dont really show traces of the unique style he later innovated with and Phil Anselmo if not ripped off, took ENORMOUS cues from. Overall a half decent first step and theyd improve on their next demo. Exhorder - Slaughter In The Vatican, Demo, 1988 This is what made Roadrunner Records resoundingly clear their bowels and bladders, stand up and take notice and throw some benjamins at the violent Thrash quartet from New Orleans to produce the Vatican album. The tracks on here are a big step from the scratchy beginnings of the "Get Rude" demo and the jaw-dropping riffwork is beginning to make it mark, although the guitar tone wouldn't be prevalent until Scott Burns' godly intervention. This sounds more like ground-breaking Thrash rather than their run of the mill, 2nd rate Dark Angel beginnings. Homicide kicks it off with their trademark frenetic aggression alongside neck-snap-able riffs and Thomas' vocals which are pretty ordinary on this demo and the first. There's no real glimpses of his legendary style (as Phillip Anselmo can testify!) he later used on their 2 albums which was a brilliant and unique compliment to the thrashing. On here he sounds like your Average Joe Thrash vocalist. Desecrator and Death In Vain follow up Homicide with their renowned charms and competent riffs throughout although not as penetrating and devastating as they are on their albums due to... yes you've guessed it... THAT guitar tone. Their biggest asset and what makes the difference between them being a 2nd rate Dark Angel clones (ala Viking and Sadus) and them producing some of the best offerings to the table of Heavy Metal. The rest of the demo is competent and decent but lacks that extra kick that takes it over the hill of true genius and when Exhorder's material was touched by the hand of god a.k.a Scott Burns they were able to achieve that. Still a decent demo and well worth checking out for fans interested in the roots of one of the best and to this day, most underrated bands in the history of Metal. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 3:37am - AUTOPSY_666 ""] http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=1255 |
| ______________________________ [Dec 15,2006 3:45am - CNV ""] No matter how much ya hate him He got laid more than you ever did Had more fun than you ever did Made an impact more than you ever did That bout sums it up |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 3:47am - AUTOPSY_666 ""] CNV said:Made an impact more than you ever did Yeah, thanks for all the shitty, tough-guy Nu-Metal you spawned. Nathan Gale is a hero. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 15,2006 3:51am - CNV ""] I still dig some pantera aint ashamed of it one bit |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 5:32am - horror_tang ""] Pam, you are untrue. Go hang at the mall you poser. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 5:35am - horror_tang ""] Oh, Dimebag was a good guitar player in a shitty band. Why is he treated like a god and revered so much? You all have no lives. You act like you knew him personally. When Boy George dies you can all hold hands and sing a song in remembrance. |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 8:31am - FuckIsMySignature ""] Kyle Thomas Speaks Out On The Pantera/Exhorder 'Feud' Source: Blabbermouth.net Vocalist Kyle Thomas of the much-missed New Orleans metallers Exhorder, cited by many as the originators of the riff-heavy power-groove approach popularized by Pantera, has spoken out about his group's alleged influence on the latter band the belief by some that Pantera "ripped off" Exhorder in order to attain their early major label success. "Although it is flattering to know that there are still plenty listeners that still care about Exhorder so intensely, I have to say that there is something that kind of gets under my skin," Thomas wrote in an open letter to the Exhorder fans. "After all of these years of Exhorder's dormancy and Pantera's fruition, I can honestly say that I just don't care about 'the feud' or whatever you want to call it. To be frank, I'm so fucking tired of seeing our name handcuffed to theirs. I cannot, nor would I even dream of attempting to, change our devoted fans' opinions, because history is what it is, but I do believe Exhorder deserves a place in metal history outside of Pantera's financial shadow. I know those guys even though I never see or talk to them anymore for no particular reason, and what is true is they worked a lot harder than we did to earn their success. Maybe things would have been as good for us had we toured more and recorded more. We'll never know. "In the early days, Phil Anselmo loved Exhorder. Came to the shows, adored the demos and spread them like the plague throughout Texas, which is part of the reason Dallas/Ft. Worth is our home away from home. We were all pretty good acquaintances, but eventually they succeeded and we ended up with the wrong label and the wrong decisions. I guess the media helped 'the feud' grow more than anything. The bottom line is we palled around a lot way back, took a lot of influence off of each other, and today we're talking about this, but not to each other. That's fine, too, but I guess it would have been nice to do some dates with Pantera, especially when Floodgate needed a hand when the deal with Roadrunner went sour. Oh, well. "If you're gonna dislike or hate either Exhorder or Pantera, do it because you just don't like it. I don't sit around pissing and moaning over anything. I've got a great life with my wife and kids with a new lease on my musical life. My new band is called Jones's Lounge and I love it. Floodgate's playing again. Exhorder will always be the most incredible experience of my rock career, and not just because the music was so great. Exhorder had a mystique — we had THE shows to go to, and all of you were what made it so cool. Without you we are nothing. Thanks again... Kyle" |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 8:41am - babyshaker nli ""] like both bands......don't care at all about the rest of all this text |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 8:44am - Josh_Martin ""] Darrel was cool as fuck. Who cares if Pantera sucked? I like a lot of people who are in bands I don't like. Who gives a shit what band someone is in?! Being in a band is the stupidest thing you could possibly do with your life anyways (trust me, I know). Darrel wasa good guy and a whole lot of fun to party with. That's all that really matters. Oh, and for the record, even though Pantera looked glam in the 80's, they played way heavier than they looked. Even when they had their hair teased up to the sky, they were playing Metallica and Anthrax covers. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 8:47am - Josh_Martin ""] I would much much rather hang out drinking with Darrel than hang out talking guitar theory with (yawn) Chuck. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 8:50am - hungtableed ""] I have always hated pantera with an undying passion. fuck rebel flags, you lost- get over it. |
| _______________________________ [Dec 15,2006 10:31am - Yeti ""] Josh_Martin said:Oh, and for the record, even though Pantera looked glam in the 80's, they played way heavier than they looked. Even when they had their hair teased up to the sky, they were playing Metallica and Anthrax covers. i had never paid much attention to the earlier Pantera stuff, but fairly recently i have been listening to it more, and i agree, its way heavier than the other glam crap from that era. alot of "I Am the Night" sounds like Judas Priest. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 10:33am - Josh_Martin ""] I own all four 80's Pantera albums. I can actually get into those. I can't fucking stand their 90's crap. |
| _______________________________ [Dec 15,2006 10:34am - Yeti ""] Terry Glaze had a killer voice. he just went balls to the wall. |
| ____________________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 10:46am - FuckIsMySignature ""] Power Metal + Case of Beer = Party |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 10:48am - anonymous ""] plus according to himself mustaine claims its all just a rip off of what him and hetfield wrote |
| ____________________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 10:53am - FuckIsMySignature ""] anonymous said:plus according to himself mustaine claims its all just a rip off of what him and hetfield wrote According to me Dave Mustaine is an asshole. :bartmoon: |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 11:32am - Cecchini ""] doesnt everyone listen to a band they like or style they like and to some degree try to write like that? actually, i dont even care if pantera blatantly ripped off exhorder, pantera wrote the better songs in my opinion anyway. i always found the "legendary" slaughter in the vatican to be pretty flat overall. i think mustaine was looking for some attention when he said pantera stole his and James' guitar playing style because it... well.. sounds nothing like it and dime was a way more fluid player than either of them... espicially james. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 11:42am - GoatCatalyst ""] i like pornographies |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 11:45am - Anthony nli ""] Cecchini said: i always found the "legendary" slaughter in the vatican to be pretty flat overall. That's poseur talk right there. There's only a few albums where not liking them = automatic poserdom. Exodus 'Bonded by Blood' and Dark Angel 'Darkness Descends' are a couple of others. |
| ____________________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 11:49am - FuckIsMySignature ""] i'm a poseur |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 11:51am - Anthony nli ""] Admitting is the first step to recovery. |
| ____________________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 11:55am - FuckIsMySignature ""] recovery is another word for quittery... i'm know quitterer. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 15,2006 12:57pm - BlackoutRick ""] CNV said:No matter how much ya hate him He got laid more than you ever did Had more fun than you ever did Made an impact more than you ever did That bout sums it up You win. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 16,2006 4:10am - metal_church101 ""] Exhorder does not hold a candle to Dime with leads. No questions asked. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 16,2006 8:14am - anonymous ""] exhorder crushed craptera. in the underground..where metal was then. at least they never wrote about lame ass "cemetary gates" and other boring cliche' tunes. while i admit dime was a good player his band friggin hugs. |
| _____________________________________________ [Dec 16,2006 8:56am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Uh...let's not get into lyrical content and song titles, because Exhorder was just as terrible as Pantera in that department. Some of their lyrics are downright laughable. |
| ____________________________________________ [Dec 16,2006 9:49am - ConquerTheBaphomet ""] Phil Anselmo never really wrote anything meaningful. We could always take a look at some of the other projects he has been in and compare the lyrical content. Superjoint Ritual makes me laugh. Phil is playing this tough guy image too much with this band. Down is like a Black Sabbath tribute band as far as sound. At least this is a rock band. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 16,2006 11:20am - Pdidle ""] One thing you have to admit. Dimebag was a one of a kind person and musician. It's only fitting he had a one of a kind death and that death occured while doing what made him so unique. |