ATTN: drummers/recording/engineering people RE: natural drum tone[views:6697][posts:23]____________________________ [May 8,2007 9:47am - cav ""] what do you guys think is a good example of really good NATURAL/NOT TRIGGERED drum sound on a record?? preferably metal / hardcore / rock. |
| _____________________________________ [May 8,2007 11:37am - LongDeadGod ""] enslaveds drum sound on ruun is pretty good, the band mentioned in a few interviews that it wanted live drums for the recorded, not overproduced stuff. same with type o's new record, steele said those were live drums as well. |
| _______________________________ [May 8,2007 12:15pm - aeser ""] despise you led zeppelin dystopia excruciating terror discordance axis |
| _________________________________ [May 8,2007 12:29pm - ZenErik ""] Any metal band can use real drum tracks if they just throw on a ton of compression it'll sound a lot like the triggered sound anyway... |
| __________________________________ [May 8,2007 12:56pm - brian_dc ""] that sort of defeats the purpose. It's not like we don't have access to triggers. We want the drums to sound more natural. |
| ________________________________ [May 8,2007 1:37pm - ZenErik ""] You'll still get the natural drum tone and ghost notes. Everything will just actually be heard. They won't sound fake like triggers. Just makes the player seem more consistent with each hit. |
| _________________________________ [May 8,2007 3:41pm - Aegathis ""] Listen to the Diabolic album called Infinity through Purification, they supposedly didn't use and triggers on that cd. |
| ___________________________________ [May 8,2007 4:09pm - handinjury ""] The two most important things for getting a "natural" untriggered drum sounds are: A acoustically tuned room and a well tuned drumset. |
| _________________________________ [May 8,2007 4:51pm - brian_dc ""] this is all true. Handinjury, I know you're from RI, do you know of anywhere to get drums professionally tuned that is reliable (i.e. not guitar center). |
| ____________________________ [May 8,2007 5:05pm - mOe ""] Professionally tuned?? eeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww...somebody get dat nigga a clue |
| ________________________________ [May 8,2007 7:40pm - ZenErik ""] Hahaha. I suppose you could find a drum tech...Or learn to tune. Depending on your playing, you'll probably need to retune the toms every hour or so. I play rimshots on my toms quite a bit so they tend do detune where the sticks hit the rim. |
| _____________________________ [May 8,2007 7:45pm - blue ""] the new goatwhore is an excellent example of a great natural drum sound, IMO. |
| ___________________________________ [May 8,2007 7:46pm - handinjury ""] brian_dc said:this is all true. Handinjury, I know you're from RI, do you know of anywhere to get drums professionally tuned that is reliable (i.e. not guitar center). I am not aware of any places offering that service in RI. |
| ____________________________ [May 8,2007 8:20pm - mOe ""] i'll do it for beer but honestly when i tune i'm obviously tuning for the best sound I can get, but I also tune for playability. No one drummer has the same playability standards as another. Your boy needs to man up, no offense. |
| _________________________________ [May 8,2007 9:12pm - brian_dc ""] ZenErik said:Hahaha. I suppose you could find a drum tech...Or learn to tune. Depending on your playing, you'll probably need to retune the toms every hour or so. I play rimshots on my toms quite a bit so they tend do detune where the sticks hit the rim. yeah, our drummer is a gear n00b. Last time we recorded Cav and I (guitarists, mind you) did our best to tune them. |
| __________________________________ [May 8,2007 11:36pm - cav nli ""] moe come down and tune them shits! |
| _____________________________________ [May 9,2007 12:04am - MadOakDevin ""] My favorite natural drum sounds have been recorded by Steve Albini or Billy Anderson. As for getting your drums tuned correctly. Use your ear. |
| _______________________________ [May 9,2007 12:25am - Murph ""] The best technique I picked up, since using three toms now, is to tune my high and low toms to whatever the guitars are in, and then tune my mid (and most used tom) to the 4th. Ask MFR, Nic, or most fo the peeps ive jammed with, shit sounds tight. And EMAD bass drum heads with a handtowel for dampening is all one needz. couple things ive picked up. |
| _______________________________ [May 9,2007 12:27am - Murph ""] When tuning the drums, I alternate in tension between both heads until i have a striking surface im happy with. I'm more than sure Eric could do this. |
| ________________________________ [May 9,2007 6:18am - ZenErik ""] I only use 2 toms. I used to tune them in 5ths...I haven't used the tuner recently, but they're at least an octave apart now. I basically tune my 10" tom like a timbale. I also used Coated G1's (10 mil) over Resonant Glass (7 mil). So, resonance and projection is what I've got... |
| __________________________________ [May 9,2007 10:03am - cav nli ""] Murph said:When tuning the drums, I alternate in tension between both heads until i have a striking surface im happy with. I'm more than sure Eric could do this. yea eric tunes them pretty much based on the tension and how hi or lo he wants the tone. last time we went in brian and i went around and made sure all the notes were the same all the way around each drum but for some reason eric thinks bringing them to GC to do it is a good idea. i guess if billy does it i trust him but not the rest of those goons. |
| __________________________________ [May 9,2007 10:06am - cav nli ""] Murph said:The best technique I picked up, since using three toms now, is to tune my high and low toms to whatever the guitars are in, and then tune my mid (and most used tom) to the 4th. Ask MFR, Nic, or most fo the peeps ive jammed with, shit sounds tight. And EMAD bass drum heads with a handtowel for dampening is all one needz. couple things ive picked up. that sounds like a pretty good way of doing it. why the 4th rather than the 5th? |
| _________________________________ [May 9,2007 10:59am - ZenErik ""] Everyone should tune their toms in diminished chords and tritones. dim 5/aug 4 FTW! |
| _____________________________ [May 9,2007 11:28am - mOe ""] i dont know 4ths of 5ths...i just know rock |