Concerning Killswitch Engage's Dio cover.[views:15382][posts:105]_____________________________ [Aug 13,2007 5:00pm - pam ""] I honest sincerely really hope every member of this band is killed. That was the most horrible thing I have ever seen and they should all be ashamed of themselves. :middlefinger: Right here Killswitch. |
| ________________________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 5:06pm - hooker nibbling penis ""] i don't know what they did and i dont' want to |
| _____________________________ [Aug 13,2007 5:18pm - pam ""] It's bad. Real bad. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 5:21pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] i'll probably get slaughtered for asking this but... what did you think was so bad about it? was it the hokey video or the song arrangement itself? or are you pissed that they even covered it in the first place due to your distaste for the band? |
| _____________________________ [Aug 13,2007 5:30pm - pam ""] All three, actually. They CHUGGED the whole song which I liken to slapping Dio himself in the ballsack. The video was retarded and struck me as them trying to be ironic the same way swoopy haired emo kids throw the horns and wear studded belts and pretend to like whatever band is on the tightest 80's metal T-shirt they can find, all while listening to The Yellow Card or Color purple is like you or whatever. AND the band sucks in general. I can't wait for all the metal core kids to start snatching up Dio shirts and insisting they've "always loved Dio, man". Or better yet, when people who ACTUALLY like Dio get stopped by scene girls who point and cry, "Yeeeah Dio, do you like that Killswitch cover!?!" And I'm giving them credit to know it's a cover. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 5:33pm - BlackoutRick ""] Yeah, who cares? If Ronnie approves then it's all good. |
| _____________________________ [Aug 13,2007 5:35pm - pam ""] You have terrible taste in music. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 5:39pm - BlackoutRick ""] I do? I like Dio. I probably have the widest range of taste on this board. Fact. |
| _____________________________ [Aug 13,2007 5:41pm - pam ""] Wide range doesn't always mean good. This cover is a musical abortion and I would say that if it were Carcass playing it. You don't chug out fucking Dio, it's gay gay gay. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 5:45pm - BlackoutRick ""] I agree. I personally don't like it. It's all about the almighty dollar. It's for the kids. Maybe they'll actually buy a Dio CD. That is not a bad thing. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 5:46pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] firstly, i hate videos in general - they never make sense and never add anything positive to a song. but i understand your point about influence and respect towards an original artist when covering them. although it seemed to me that they just played the song stylisticly more similar to their music - so if you hate their style of music and the band itself, obviously you'll think its a shitty cover. however, i did just listen to both songs in a row and i must say that despite chugging and turning one part into a breakdown they were pretty accurate... right down to the arrangement and the tuning. howard has just about the same range has dio too ...only not nearly as awesome. also i guess Adam D's solo wasnt as epic but he did use a couple of the original licks i noticed. |
| _______________________________ [Aug 13,2007 5:46pm - TURD ""] Dio is an old washed up dragon singing homo. Fuck that old fuck. Stuck in the 80's |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 5:47pm - metal_church101 ""] I actually liked the cover tune. I didn't really care for the video at all, but then again like other people, I won't pay attention to any music video. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 5:47pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] TURD said:Dio is an old washed up dragon singing homo. Fuck that old fuck. Stuck in the 80's FAIL. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 5:50pm - BlackoutRick ""] FuckIsMySignature said:TURD said:Dio is an old washed up dragon singing homo. Fuck that old fuck. Stuck in the 80's FAIL. Right? Kid's a moron. |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 6:01pm - theaccursedvokillist ""] Man i have loved Dio since Black Sabbath. you don't have to have permission per say to record a cover song. We covered Metallica and I haven't had that little treasure troll, Lars on my doorstep yet. Its not a good cover. Polaris fucking ruled that song. If KSW didnt chug it or metalcore it out, it wouldn't have been that bad. KSE can eat a dick for chugging where it is not needed. |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 6:10pm - Dwellingsickness ""] I have yet to hear this, Not that I will actively seek it out though |
| __________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 6:11pm - powerkok ""] How is Kse even still around? On a related note, Bleeding through, were so close to forgotten, then they put out a new cd? FUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKK. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 6:12pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] theaccursedvokillist said:Polaris fucking ruled that song. backed x1000 |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 6:20pm - narkybark_ ""] I don't even know what song this thread is about, but since reading it I'll now have "rainbow in the dark" stuck in my head for the rest of the night. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 6:23pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] just a rAAAAAAINBOOW In the DAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHRK!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 7:05pm - the_reverend ""] anything to get kids listening to more dio. that's what I say. |
| _____________________________ [Aug 13,2007 7:10pm - pam ""] It's Holy Diver. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 7:20pm - DrewBlood ""] Look out! |
| ________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 9:03pm - tylerl ""] the metalcore-ing of it was kinda cheesy, but i was surprised/impressed with howard's falsetto vocals at the end plus i thought the video was real funny |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 10:50pm - sacreligion ""] i still say let em do what they want. they had a fun time covering a classic song in their own vein. i think it's a good song overall, but if you're expecting a recreation of the original you're going to be disappointed, especially if you hate radio-friendly metalcore. polaris' cover IS way better though. simply because it's the original arrangement and olivia's voice is retardedly powerful |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 13,2007 11:00pm - sacreligion ""] just watched the video for the first time that ongoing king-eating-mutton joke is pretty funny |
| _____________________________ [Aug 14,2007 2:22am - pam ""] You all make me sad in the brain. |
| __________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 7:47am - SteveOTB ""] I'll be the first to say it. 1. I enjoy the cover and think they did a pretty good job keeping it the same feel but yet adding their own flair to the song. 2. The video is awesome, there I've said it. How can you people take the actual "Holy Diver" video by Dio seriously? The KSE version was just as ridiculous yet they get bashed for it. Both videos were cheesy as hell I mean c'mon guys. Have a little sense of humor and stop taking everything so seriously. It's a music video not an oscar winning movie. |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 8:57am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Dio will destroy all these false metal warriors with his CREEPY ELF POWERS. Fall before him and weep. |
| ________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 9:17am - rilly ""] the killswitch solo in the cover is way better than the dio as well as the addition of the harmonizing. Way to go KsE |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 9:23am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Shit, are you back? Didn't your mom buy you some taste in music, yet? |
| ________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 9:26am - rilly ""] I love how everyone on this board pretty much hates kse. You're all a bunch of losers. The day howard stops screaming all together in place of screaming I'll buy into this pop band bs. They really don't get any air play. Everyone in that band with the exception of maybe the bass player are great musicians and songwriters |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 9:28am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Wow, that would be amazing if he stopped screaming altogether in place of screaming. Or if you stopped having tortured sentence structure in place of having tortured sentence structure. And KSE : metal :: Justin Timberlake : gansta rap. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 9:29am - FuckIsMySignature ""] JT is fo rizzle. |
| ________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 9:36am - rilly ""] you know what i mean. Long live the success of kse, Cheers all you loser bands that will go no further than this board. CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 9:42am - xanonymousx ""] theaccursedvokillist said:Man i have loved Dio since Black Sabbath. you don't have to have permission per say to record a cover song. We covered Metallica and I haven't had that little treasure troll, Lars on my doorstep yet. Its not a good cover. Polaris fucking ruled that song. If KSW didnt chug it or metalcore it out, it wouldn't have been that bad. KSE can eat a dick for chugging where it is not needed. you do have to have permission to sell it though. i'm sure dio is happy with his increased income of the royalties of this song. |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 9:43am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Look, maybe this is something you can grasp - I'll even help you. This is an extreme metal board. The people who post here have, generally speaking, been listening to metal for a few years. If you're looking for someone to validate your KSE fan status, I'm sure the Bay State Rock board, or wherever Slipknot fans post nowadays can help you out. But you're listening to starter kit metal. In a few years, if you haven't moved on to salsa, or electropop, or whatever the next big thing is, come look us up - if you're still listening to metal, you'll be bored with cookie-cutter Gothenchusetts stuff and ready to graduate to something that'll challenge your ears a bit. Lurk for a while, see what's out there, and then we'll talk. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 9:46am - xanonymousx ""] rilly said:you know what i mean. Long live the success of kse, Cheers all you loser bands that will go no further than this board. CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love how almost every thread about a metalcore band that has made it and people are arguing back and forth about their own opinions someone says "well your band is going no where" or "they made it" yeah they did but hey maybe most of the people on this board don't like the music that these bands made to make it. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 9:46am - FuckIsMySignature ""] rilly said:Cheers all you loser bands that will go no further than this board. CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what the fuck does that mean anyways. whats the name of your band? |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 9:49am - brandon.. ""] hahah this kid is awsome. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 9:50am - xanonymousx ""] with that said i'm listening to dio right now "Stand Up and Shot!" |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 9:53am - DestroyYouAlot ""] "Showt" |
| _________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 11:26am - rilly ""] DestroyYouAlot said:Look, maybe this is something you can grasp - I'll even help you. This is an extremely gay and annoying metal board. The people who post here have, generally speaking, been listening to metal for a few years. If you're looking for someone to validate your KSE fan status, I'm sure the Bay State Rock board, or wherever Slipknot fans post nowadays can help you out. But you're listening to starter kit metal. In a few years, if you haven't moved on to salsa, or electropop, or whatever the next big thing is, come look us up - if you're still listening to metal, you'll be bored with cookie-cutter Gothenchusetts stuff and ready to graduate to something that'll challenge your ears a bit. Lurk for a while, see what's out there, and then we'll talk. Ha!!!! with all that said tell the rev to stop posting pics of punk bands and kse on here. If I want to come here praising kse I will and you'll all learn to love it. In fact I might recruit my friends to come on here funding my campaign and making you all miserable. Long live KsE and metaLcore! Metalcore dominates all metal genres!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow: |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 11:33am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Oooh, lookout guys, false metal invasion coming up! |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 11:36am - Y_Ddraig_Goch ""] rilly said:DestroyYouAlot said:Look, maybe this is something you can grasp - I'll even help you. This is an extremely gay and annoying metal board. The people who post here have, generally speaking, been listening to metal for a few years. If you're looking for someone to validate your KSE fan status, I'm sure the Bay State Rock board, or wherever Slipknot fans post nowadays can help you out. But you're listening to starter kit metal. In a few years, if you haven't moved on to salsa, or electropop, or whatever the next big thing is, come look us up - if you're still listening to metal, you'll be bored with cookie-cutter Gothenchusetts stuff and ready to graduate to something that'll challenge your ears a bit. Lurk for a while, see what's out there, and then we'll talk. Ha!!!! with all that said tell the rev to stop posting pics of punk bands and kse on here. If I want to come here praising kse I will and you'll all learn to love it. In fact I might recruit my friends to come on here funding my campaign and making you all miserable. Long live KsE and metaLcore! Metalcore dominates all metal genres!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow: Are you f'nn cereal? Everyone who does that is just a troll and we get more entertainment then anger out of it just look at what happened to black metal lady. |
| ____________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 11:39am - FuckIsMySignature ""] Y_Ddraig_Goch said: just look at what happened to black metal lady. hisssssssss. |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 11:41am - Y_Ddraig_Goch ""] redirect all traffic from making fun of killswitch for covering this song to the thread praising otyg's cover. violin solos and moutharps and vintersorg. |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 11:42am - Y_Ddraig_Goch ""] although bashing metalcore is very fun |
| _________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 11:43am - rilly ""] Your music blows and this is fun. What happened to the black metal lady? |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 11:45am - DestroyYouAlot ""] [img] "Hello, James Lipton! I'm King Lort! There's a troll in Central Park! I'm King Lorrrt!" |
| _________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 11:45am - rilly ""] actually i just changed my opinion. Killswitch sucks and everyone else is right. metalcore also sucks. i also like to have sex with small boys. |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 11:49am - Y_Ddraig_Goch ""] sex with small boys is metalcore. |
| _________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 11:52am - rilly ""] funny but there can be only 1 rilly and he loves kse |
| _________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 11:55am - rilly ""] and hot semen. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 12:03pm - sacreligion ""] pam said:You all make me sad in the brain. if by brain you mean pants, then yes |
| _______________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 12:08pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] Y_Ddraig_Goch said:sex with small boys is metalcore. Don't tell MSD that, he'll quit Bane of Existence. |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 12:49pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] BTW, I definitely hadn't bothered to listen to this turd before, but I just gave it a whirl. The singer does a good job with the clean vocals - that's it. The scream is inappropriate, and the instrumentation is terrible. Not terrible like they can't play the notes, terrible like they have no taste whatsoever, and the changes they made detract from the song. F- I'll watch the video next, which will probably make me hate it more. I'll let ya know. |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 12:59pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Ok, is there an actual official video version of this for me to view and subsequently rip on? I don't know which shitty video one YouTube is the real one. And the live video I just watched of this band gave me indigestion. (I'm allergic to vocal processors.) |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 1:26pm - thegreatspaldino ""] BlackoutRick said:I do? I like Dio. I probably have the widest range of taste on this board. Fact. yeah, right. i have a HUUUUUGE broad taste in music but i dont think i would go so far as to say something like that... and i always hear how i have an incredibly broad taste in music from most people i know. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 1:47pm - brandon.. ""] Its funny cause this kid was probly 8 when kse put out their self titled cd. That was when they were good. Hey rilly whats your opinion of howard. If you say hes better than jesse, eat my ass please. Then choke on my shit |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 1:48pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] He's the half-caf mocha latte of metal. |
| ________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 1:52pm - rilly ""] Of course howard is better. He has a better voice and he's much better on stage. Jesse was a wigger and my boy howard is the nigga!!!! Killswitch!!!!!! |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 1:55pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] Do you masturbate to pictures of Howard Jones? |
| ________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 1:56pm - rilly ""] no but your band sucks!!!!! |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 1:56pm - brandon.. ""] wow dude are you serious?? Just by that comment i know your a bitch. Plus, im sure your judgment is bias seeing that howard is the only face you know. Jesse had way more passion, Better lyrics and singing. Howard has a strong voice but it doesnt make it better. Plus hes a fucking asshole to the fans where jesse is madd positive. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 1:57pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] rilly said:no but your band rules!!!!! thanks alot man. i really appreciate that. |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 8:06pm - SacreligionNLI ""] DestroyYouAlot said:Ok, is there an actual official video version of this for me to view and subsequently rip on? I don't know which shitty video one YouTube is the real one. And the live video I just watched of this band gave me indigestion. (I'm allergic to vocal processors.) you gotta look it up on myspace videos myspace has that metalcore on lockdown |
| _____________________________ [Aug 14,2007 9:31pm - pam ""] Hahaha, this thread is outta hand. |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 9:52pm - Dwellingsickness ""] There should be a "Extreme Gay Content" warning on this thread |
| ______________________________ [Aug 14,2007 10:02pm - pam ""] I love how butthurt people get over Killswitch. |
| __________________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 11:32pm - Morgan Freeman says... ""] [img] ...get busy livin or get busy dyin. |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 14,2007 11:42pm - brad weymouth ""] gothenchusetts classic! |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 9:37am - DestroyYouAlot ""] bennyhillifier |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 9:42am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] THIS IS THE NEWS! |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 10:48am - DestroyYouAlot ""] "Honey, I was being metal!" Ironically, the dude from Shadows Fall did the solo on that song. I wonder if he gets the joke. I fucking love the viking on the horse. |
| _________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 11:24am - rilly ""] I saw both kse guitarists ripped that solo a new asshole. kse breathes life into old boring metal classic and they do it with style. Those harmonies and pick squeels sound great |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 11:35am - Radical Dirt Biker ""] rilly said:I saw both kse guitarists ripped that solo a new asshole. kse breathes life into old boring metal classic and they do it with style. Those harmonies and pick squeels sound great Please, your such a fag going around talking about KSE all the time. If you want to hear really sic metal you should listen to some of the harder stuff like Linkin Park and Slipknot. I listen to that shit all the time to get amped to do sick airs down at the razer you could ask your mom to give you a ride so I could show you how to do some crazy supermans but her boyfriend this week is probably too busy doing sic airs on her. |
| ____________________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 11:39am - FuckIsMySignature ""] RDB is back with the fury. |
| _________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 11:41am - rilly ""] KsE>all bands here or any bands you listen to and thats a fact. |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 11:42am - Radical Dirt Biker ""] rilly said:KsE>all bands here or any bands you listen to and thats a fact. It's not my fault Slipknot is too metal for your pussy airs. I'm going to go do some sic ears down at the razer now, my mom is totally letting me listen to my new Saliva cd in the car today and it's going to get me PUMPED to do some sic airs all over the jumps there |
| ____________________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 11:43am - FuckIsMySignature ""] my dick > your mom's dick. |
| _________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 11:50am - rilly ""] The band Death=Shit and overrated compared to kse!!!! |
| ____________________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 11:55am - FuckIsMySignature ""] rilly said:The band Death=Shit and overrated compared to kse!!!! troll 100% |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 11:55am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Ok, who told this kid about Death? Next thing you know, he's going to have heard of Cannibal Corpse. |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 12:03pm - metal_church101 ""] Yeah, you're right. Chuck Schuldiner and the line ups Death had are just horrible. Gene Hoglin is such a horrible drummer. :bartmoon: |
| _________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 12:18pm - rilly ""] thank god cancer killed that baffoon |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 1:12pm - thegreatspaldino ""] YES... Posehn or however you spell it has two basset hounds! that guy is instantly more metal and bad ass |
| _______________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 1:13pm - Y_Ddraig_Goch ""] hahahah this is obviously a normal poster with a pseudonym having some fun |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 1:17pm - OlSchool ""] i really DESPISE Killswitch Is Gay (Metal Prenteders as people are calling them and I'll go with it!) and love how retro thrash is becoming more and more popular. I pray this kicks bands like KSE out of the industry so that they can retire and just stop putting out music. I will say that their first TWO albums were good. But other than that its not heavy metal to my ears. Its trendy money making garbage for the sheep. I feel they really need to call it quits and just let the real metal bands take over. That video is horrible. I heard the drummer use to be in a good band and now they have him playing like a monkey and eating a large turkey leg... what a joke. |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 2:22pm - metal_church101 ""] rilly said:thank god cancer killed that baffoon LOL. And which screen name do you normally log into and post under your alter-ego? |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 2:35pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] i'm sure its something... not common. if ya smell what i'm fartin. |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 2:47pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] FuckIsMySignature said:i'm sure its something... not common. if ya smell what i'm fartin. You must be joeking. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 5:36pm - Lord_Wilk ""] amen, that video/song is such a shame on a great classic. fuck that band. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 5:42pm - Lord_Wilk ""] haha, pam you're the best. these are the same thoughts i had once i saw the video. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 5:58pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:THIS IS THE NEWS! YOU'RE THE NEWS!!! |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 6:00pm - xanonymousx ""] this is probably adam from killswitch having a little fun on the board bashing his own band? |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 15,2007 6:09pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] makes sense. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 16,2007 7:50am - KSEisGay ""] xanonymousx said:this is probably adam from killswitch having a little fun on the board bashing his own band? somone from kse has done this before on other forums so i've heard. the IP got him caught i guess... so its known they do go on forums to read about themselves and post things |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 16,2007 10:13am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Attention whore, much? |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 16,2007 10:46am - dicksucker ""] im gay |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 16,2007 5:17pm - KSEisGay ""] didn't someone throw a cream pie at one of the guys in KSE a few years ago????? hahahaahaha |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 3,2007 12:42pm - Thrasher ""] I want to give you credit for what you said, fuck killswitch engage, fuck the people who listen to that metalcore bullshit. Dio is a fuckin metal god, how dare a shitty band as killswitch defile real metal. |
| _________________________________ [Nov 3,2007 4:13pm - niccolai ""] Kill switch is gay and all, but Dio fans calling KSE gay is just throwing stones in a glass house... |
| __________________________________ [Nov 4,2007 2:47am - narkybark ""] I have come to this thread to admit I do indeed have some supertight 80's metal shirts. Granted, they are FROM the 80's, and I've gotten fat. Why do I still have them? |
| _______________________________ [Jun 5,2018 8:28am - Rilly ""] Sorry to burst everyone's bubble but Killswitch is still going strong much to the chagrin of everyone on here. Rilly wins again 11 years after this thread got started. How's everyone else doing lol haha!!!! |