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has anyone heard of any of these bands?

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[Aug 23,2007 2:31pm - cav ""]
besides the headliners....

http://www.locobazooka.com/?page_id=3
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[Aug 23,2007 2:34pm - cav ""]
these bands have to be paying to play? cmon, its like "well if you cant even land a gig at the local bar pay us a thousand bucks and you can open for black sabbath at noon" haha wtf.
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[Aug 23,2007 2:41pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
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[Aug 23,2007 2:43pm - tomx nli  ""]
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BAHAHAHAHAHA check out tattoo mongloid over here with his obnoxiously awkward, completely unnatural position trying to show off his ink that looks like he got them out of a gumball machine at Pricerite.

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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[Aug 23,2007 2:44pm - xanonymousx ""]
I've heard of Leaving Eden and Prospect Hill
I guess the tickets are $45...

Adema is playing? I thought they died a long time ago.
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[Aug 23,2007 2:45pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
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Not 1... but 2 vaginas in the band!
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[Aug 23,2007 2:46pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
I'm sure none of these bands sound like a mix of GODSMACK, DISTURBED or LINKIN PARK at all.
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[Aug 23,2007 2:46pm - tomx nli  ""]
AUTOPSY_666 said:[img]

Not 1... but 2 transvestites in the band!




fix'd

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[Aug 23,2007 2:48pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
tomx nli said:[img]

BAHAHAHAHAHA check out tattoo mongloid over here with his obnoxiously awkward, completely unnatural position trying to show off his ink that looks like he got them out of a gumball machine at Pricerite.



Don't fuck with the Route 1 mini golf dinosaur!
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[Aug 23,2007 2:50pm - xanonymousx ""]
hahahahahah yes
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[Aug 23,2007 2:58pm - the_reverend ""]
I know like 1/2 of them
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[Aug 23,2007 3:11pm - cav ""]
i didnt even notice how bad that guy is trying to show off his tattoo. haha.
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[Aug 23,2007 3:15pm - Yeti ""]
egad, Adema and Godhead.
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[Aug 23,2007 3:31pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
AUTOPSY_666 said:[img]



my guitar teacher just got the gig of touring guitarist for these chicks.
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[Aug 23,2007 3:37pm - BrianDBB ""]
How many tickets do bands have to sell? Or should I ask how much do bands have to PAY to play this?
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[Aug 23,2007 3:43pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
Swashbuckle should have a headling spot. I looks like most of these bands just recently formed to play this show.
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[Aug 23,2007 4:08pm - metal_church101 ""]
This is a fucking riot!!!!
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[Aug 23,2007 4:14pm - Dwellingsickness ""]
BrianDBB said:How many tickets do bands have to sell? Or should I ask how much do bands have to PAY to play this?


I think it is like $3-4 grand, I know TROLL had like 100 tix and were selling them at $30/ticket
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[Aug 23,2007 4:18pm - Ryan_NLI  ""]
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Funniest thing I have ever read.
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[Aug 23,2007 4:31pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""]
DestroyYouAlot said:tomx nli said:[img]

BAHAHAHAHAHA check out tattoo mongloid over here with his obnoxiously awkward, completely unnatural position trying to show off his ink that looks like he got them out of a gumball machine at Pricerite.



Don't fuck with the Route 1 mini golf dinosaur!



THE NOAHTH SHOOOOAAH IS WHEAH YA GUNNA SOOOOOAAAAHHHHH!

In other news, Adema is not dead, contrary to popular belief. They just put out a new album on Tuesday, hahaha. Fucking idiots.

I see that Scarecrow Hill is playing...ugh. Plymouth, MA's premier nu-metal ICP wannabes; the sad thing is, they'll probably be able to sell a million tickets to all of their idiot friends and "Hill Dolls." In case you're wondering what "Hill Dolls" are, they're Scarecrow Hill's dogpound of disgusting groupies that paint their faces to look like characters from The Nightmare Before Christmas that had sex with ICP.

Links:

http://www.myspace.com/scarecrowhill

http://www.myspace.com/hill_dolls

There are more fun links to check out and be disgusted by on those 2 pages.
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[Aug 23,2007 4:49pm - thegreatspaldino ""]
holy shit these guys suck so bad. skindred mixed with godsmack... i didnt think i would be able to see the day. holy shit... in the two songs i heard... they talk about "shit talkers". probably because they get so much hate mail for sucking so bad.
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[Aug 23,2007 4:54pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""]
If I ever go to the mall nearest my house to go to Best Buy, Newbury Comics and/or Taco Bell, I end up seeing like 30 of the Scarecrow Hill schmucks, and most of the time they harrass me. Ugh.
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[Aug 23,2007 4:54pm - largefreakatzero ""]
Haha -- jesus christ what a fucking gayfest.

Back to dumb-dumb's tatoos -- I like the one that just says "POW" the best.
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[Aug 23,2007 4:58pm - Kinslayer  ""]
MarkFuckingRichards said:DestroyYouAlot said:tomx nli said:[img]




What's up with homeboy in the orange shirts nose?? Its like...half missing.


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[Aug 23,2007 4:58pm - Kinslayer  ""]
What's up with homeboy in the orange shirts nose?? Its like...half missing.
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[Aug 23,2007 4:58pm - dreadkill ""]
swahbuckle is on there
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[Aug 23,2007 5:04pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""]
Swashbuckle is the only good band on that bill. I feel bad for them.
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[Aug 23,2007 5:09pm - dreadkill ""]
heaven and hell and queensryche are good too
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[Aug 23,2007 5:12pm - largefreakatzero ""]
http://www.godhead.com/

Bahahahahahah!
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[Aug 23,2007 5:13pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli  ""]
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Why they hate us.
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[Aug 23,2007 5:14pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""]
dreadkill said:heaven and hell and queensryche are good too


Like I said...Swashbuckle are the only good band on the bill.

OOOOOHHH! Nailed you with a sick burn.
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[Aug 23,2007 5:17pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli  ""]
Can anyone tell me why Scarecrow Hill has about five separate profiles on myspace for street teams?

Fucking shit, this band is terrible.
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[Aug 23,2007 5:18pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli  ""]
I can see the singer holding the top of his head and tucking the mic into his chest when it comes to the "groovy breakdown" of their faggy songs.
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[Aug 23,2007 5:20pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli  ""]
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Apparently this beast is the hill girl of the month.

If my groupies looked this bad I wouldn't advertise it on fucking myspace.

THE BITCH MADE ME POP AN INNIE
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[Aug 23,2007 5:25pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""]
EDIT: One of the "Hill Dolls" showed me 1 of her boobs. I did not ask to see it.

Does that make me nu-metal famous?
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[Aug 23,2007 5:27pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli  ""]
MarkFuckingRichards said:I saw one of the Hill Doll's boobs one time. I did not ask to see it.

Does that make me nu-metal famous?



Did it make you pop an innie?
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[Aug 23,2007 5:30pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
i planned on tailgating the whole day up until maybe shadows fall (hopefully they play some older material) so it really doesnt matter who the fuck is planning before then.
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[Aug 23,2007 5:36pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""]
I think my dick fell off and I found it quivering in my boot, muttering something about "the war."
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[Aug 23,2007 6:13pm - Dankill  ""]
How exactly can these useless ICP wash out whores harass the Great Mark Fucking Richards?
He's not easily harassed.

With Robby Roadsteamer on, it's pretty much clear WAAF has nothing to do with this show anymore and that it's getting ready to die soon.
Someone should direct the headliners away from the venue and then just roll in barrels of Zyklon-B gas.
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[Aug 23,2007 6:26pm - intricateprocess ""]
thegreatspaldino said:holy shit these guys suck so bad. skindred mixed with godsmack... i didnt think i would be able to see the day. holy shit... in the two songs i heard... they talk about "shit talkers". probably because they get so much hate mail for sucking so bad.


seriously...............WHO THE FUCK LISTENS TO THAT. how do they have like a following of girls at all (albeit even if they are ugly).

im LOL'n listening to this.............
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[Aug 23,2007 6:54pm - Brandon..  ""]
Dude my favorite is "half passed my sin" shit is ill
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[Aug 23,2007 6:56pm - DomesticTerror ""]
MarkFuckingRichards said:

http://www.myspace.com/scarecrowhill

http://www.myspace.com/hill_dolls

There are more fun links to check out and be disgusted by on those 2 pages.



we should sick MSD on them.
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[Aug 23,2007 8:33pm - ArrowHead likes Pie  ""]
MarkFuckingRichards said:

Links:

http://www.myspace.com/scarecrowhill

http://www.myspace.com/hill_dolls

There are more fun links to check out and be disgusted by on those 2 pages.



I went to the scarecrow hill page, because I've seen them around, talked to them, and seen their scarecrow pedo-van around town a lot. Never really heard the music before.

I made it as far as "aww, yeah, this is you mutha fucking wake up call" or whatever and had to shut the window.

1997 called, they want their shitty band back.

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[Aug 23,2007 9:31pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""]
Here's a little history on Scarecrow Hill and the growing nu-metal scene of Plymouth, MA, because I have nothing else better to do:

"Back in the day," there was a band called Shattered Souls (but with a backwards s at the end of Souls). They were self-proclaimed REAL metal (aka 50th rate Cradle Of Filth/insert crappy gothic nu-metal band here rip-off that said they sounded like Amon Amarth). They were all nicey nice with my old band, Upon Crimson Wings. Behind our backs they said that we weren't real metal. We sucked ass, but I don't think they were in any place to determine who was and wasn't "real" metal. After a while, the band broke up; the drummer became an overnight straightedge youth crew hardcore kid, the bassist started Scarecrow Hill but as the drummer/singer (cited as saying, "Those assholes kicked me out. I'll show them what a mistake that was, Scarecrow Hill is the REAL shit, blah blah blah.), and the singer and guitarist started Coldread, an equally bad, delusional nu-metal Marilyn Manson/Slipknot/other crap band that qualify themselves as "spiritual metal." I graduated high school with their keyboardist/sampler/whatever who wears gas masks and other stupid shit at shows, accompanied by punching himself and trying to do anything he can to make himself look "like, sooo crazy." This kid is 24 or 25 years old and he's still doing that shit? Dumb. Clearly, these guys are all "real" metal.

But I digress...

I say the cool people get out of this area for a day or two and we drop napalm on Plymouth county.
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[Aug 23,2007 9:41pm - My_Dying_Bride ""]
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this chick is probably good at rj's
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[Aug 23,2007 9:50pm - narkybark ""]
How has no one noticed Prospect Hill on that list yet?
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[Aug 23,2007 9:57pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""]
I think we've all noticed, but Scarecrow Hill have more ugly groupies to make fun of. Prospect Hill ain't got SHIT on Scarecrow Hill! UH.
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[Aug 23,2007 9:58pm - ArrowHead likes Pie  ""]
tomx nli said:[img]
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You've really never heard of Robby Roadsteamer? They used to be called the Sweatpants Boners. They've played a ton of these loco shows. Hilarious punk rockish stuff. The whole band is INTENTIONALLY a joke. You can't make fun of people who are already mocking themselves.

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[Aug 23,2007 10:02pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
this is true. they had a cool song called No. 2 about shitting if i remember correctly.
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[Aug 23,2007 10:05pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""]
Shit, I said Swashbuckle were the only good band on the bill; Roadsteamer is also awesome, so those are the only 2 good bands.

They started as Sweatpant Boners, then changed to Robby Roadsteamer and the Sweatpant Boners, then just Robby Roadsteamer, and now just Roadsteamer. They have classic hits such as:

I'm Sorry Your Cat Has Ass Cancer
I Put A Baby In You
Singing Death Metal With A Mouth Full Of Lucky Charms (or something to that effect)
The Hand I Beat Dogs With (a song about picking up girls that hang out at rauncy sports bars)
Shower Games

And the list goes on.
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[Aug 23,2007 10:07pm - urinal turd  ""]
i remeber the sweatpants boners. the only other bands i have heard of are the burning brides who are actually good and melilah rage (sp?)
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[Aug 23,2007 10:08pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
hahaha "I Put a Baby in You" is fucking hysterical
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[Aug 23,2007 10:09pm - pam ""]
I'd go just for Heaven and Hell, Queensryche, and Alice Cooper.
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[Aug 23,2007 10:11pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
pam said:I'd go just for Heaven and Hell, Queensryche, and Alice Cooper.


i think thats the general concensus.

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[Aug 23,2007 10:26pm - ArrowHead likes Pie  ""]
Don't forget:

The heart of a Rhino - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=69bgYY8hNSg
Finish her off with Sex Moves - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SVnrupD_0fE&mode=related&search=
Fight the Demon Horse -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGdG4XLsEwQ
Pee With Your Father - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKefFP585kA

And many, many other classics. Just none I could find on youtube.
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[Aug 23,2007 10:29pm - ArrowHead likes Pie  ""]
oh, and queensryche without DeGarmo sucks, Alice Cooper since like 1990 sucks, you should just go for the free blowjobs from prospect hill.
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[Aug 23,2007 10:31pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""]
Fuck, Pee With Your Father is awesome. All of his stuff is awesome. Finish Her Off With Sex Moves almost made me crash my car when I first heard it.
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[Aug 23,2007 10:50pm - tomx nli  ""]
no, when other kids raged about sweatpants boners (i recall hearing that name around alot) i was busy being uncool and listening to virulence. but its cool then if they're not wicked serious. i had no clue who they are, and took the picture for ultra serious nu-metal cockfagging.

that picture still brings the lulz, but for different reasons now at least.
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[Aug 23,2007 11:01pm - ArrowHead likes Pie  ""]
tomx nli said:no, when other kids raged about sweatpants boners (i recall hearing that name around alot) i was busy being uncool and listening to virulence.


You think listening to Virulence is uncool, try being in a band with most of them.
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[Aug 24,2007 9:24am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Fight the Demon Horse gives me a reason to live.

Although fuck Roadsteamer since he started taking pictures without his sunglasses and mustache. That shit's lame.
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[Aug 24,2007 9:31am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
DestroyYouAlot said:Fight the Demon Horse gives me a reason to live.

Although fuck Roadsteamer since he started taking pictures without his sunglasses and mustache. That shit's lame.




agreed. that was the bees knees.

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[Aug 24,2007 12:09pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""]
Yeah, and I don't think he "lifts weights to live" anymore. Tsk tsk.
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[Aug 24,2007 12:32pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli  ""]
ColdREAD said:Massachusetts-based COLDREAD is unlike any other group in the post-hardcore/metal genre. Every bit as aggressive as their peers, they set themselves apart by sophisticatedly injecting subtle musical, and often ambient moments into their meticulously crafted songs. The result is a bombastic style that also boasts mature, melodic elements, and their use of “tension and release” is noteworthy, resulting in a magnetic musical presence that simply won’t let go of your ear-drums.

Having already built a large local following in Massachusetts, COLDREAD (pronounced cold-reed) is now setting their sights on a national and, ultimately, a global audience. Combined with their impressively kinetic live show, such dedication promises to turn casual onlookers and listeners into instant fans.

COLDREAD has proven that they're not just another band, setting themselves apart from their peers not only musically, but also through their work ethic and their keen sense of the music industry. The group has had tremendous success acquiring national sponsorships from prestigious companies such as Dean Markley Strings, Halo Guitars, Coffin Cases, Sikworld Clothing, TonePros Bridges, Blacklight.com, Vandal Klothing and Hamer Guitars.



Scarecrow Hill said: SCARECROW HILL is from Plymouth mass. They arrived on the scene in the January of 2003, and have not stopped since. With the release of their first album "RESURRECTION" (january '07), ScH proved once again that they are hear to BEAT THE ODDS!! A devoted following of "scarecrows" and "hill dolls" all over the country helps scarecrow hill to promote like no other band around. Non Stop shows, constant advertising and a relentless "strike now" attitude have helped scarecrow hill to climb up, becoming one of the south shore's premiere bands. This past may(2007), they released their second album "THE AWAKENING" Having played with such national acts as Dope, Saliva, Damage Plan, Crossfade, Kittie, Skindred, Adema, Shinedown, Nonpoint and many others...ScH Hopes to soon make their mark on the nation! Once Called "The hardest working band on the south shore" (Ryan Wood MPG;News)...The band plans on releasing TWO more full studio albums this year, and following up the trilogy with a tour....so when you stop and look at this band, you just need to ask your self one question.....are YOUon the hill??


Wretched Asylum said:Insanity has always been a dark secret of society; its victims were confined behind padded walls and numbed by Thorazine - shunned by the populous at large as the undesirables. These unfortunates, who were deemed mad by the so-called rational psychologists of the modern age, lingered in a twilight world where all time is lost, the mind is subdued, and the spirit destroyed. The mentally ill have been subjected to the worst crimes humanity has ever imagined and their screams were either ignored or fell upon deaf ears until now.

Out of the dust of the abandoned asylums a force has been unleashed upon the world; the tortured souls of a forgotten past will no longer be content to linger in the shadows. Their combined voices have been made manifest the time for the reckoning has come! Its shape is pure anger. Its sound is absolute violence. Its enmity toward mankind is all consuming. The entity has become a combined power to take vengeance upon the world that had abandoned them. They have become known collectively as Wretched Asylum. Led by the anguished vocals of Phil Smolinsky, and supported by the brutal guitars of Michael Todd, the throbbing bass of Ryan Mix, the haunting keyboards of Matt Jennison and the pounding drums & electrics of Brandon Lee Wretched Asylum is an industrial metal assault never before experienced. Nothing can prepare you for the madness unleashed onstage nothing can stop the onslaught you can either participate in the mayhem or be consumed by it. What society has sown, the mentally disturbed shall reap! The entire earth will soon know the price of its inhumanity the world will soon know the retribution of Wretched Asylum!

Our time has come...



Numetal bands should not have access to keyboards.
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[Aug 24,2007 1:18pm - Yeti ""]
dude they opened for Kittie and Shinedown. not to be trifled with.
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[Aug 24,2007 1:43pm - Sacreligion ""]
AUTOPSY_666 said:[img]


who the fuck are these broads?
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[Aug 24,2007 1:51pm - Sacreligion ""]
it would be terrific if dethklok played and this happened:


bennyhillifier

'tis a shame they aren't real
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[Aug 24,2007 2:23pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Sacreligion said:it would be terrific if dethklok played and this happened:

'tis a shame they aren't real



SAYS YOU! MURDERFACE!!! WHOOOOO!!!!11!

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[Aug 25,2007 9:46am - DestroyYouAlot ""]

bennyhillifier
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[Aug 25,2007 5:30pm - goatcatalyst ""]
this thread = LOLfest
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[Aug 26,2007 12:37am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
DestroyYouAlot said:
bennyhillifier






BEST EVER VIDEO EVER
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[Aug 26,2007 9:42am - DaveFromTheGrave ""]
DestroyYouAlot said:tomx nli said:[img]

BAHAHAHAHAHA check out tattoo mongloid over here with his obnoxiously awkward, completely unnatural position trying to show off his ink that looks like he got them out of a gumball machine at Pricerite.



Don't fuck with the Route 1 mini golf dinosaur!



Or else Daniel-San the karate kid vocalist will crane-kick your ass!
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[Aug 26,2007 11:19am - atthehaunted ""]
Swashbuckle is awesome I added them on myspace. Freakin hilarious pirate metal
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[Aug 26,2007 11:32am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
DaveFromTheGrave said:DestroyYouAlot said:Don't fuck with the Route 1 mini golf dinosaur!


Or else Daniel-San the karate kid vocalist will crane-kick your ass!



What's funny is the guy with the dinosaur tattoo IS the vocalist. The karate kid guy is the guitarist. I have no idea why he's in front, other than that he's in Unearth.

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[Aug 26,2007 11:52am - i_am_lazy  ""]
Bumblefoot? How'd he ever find the time to do this? Isn't his schedule completely packed playing guitar for Guns 'n Roses?




...oh.
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[Aug 26,2007 3:20pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""]
DestroyYouAlot said:DaveFromTheGrave said:DestroyYouAlot said:Don't fuck with the Route 1 mini golf dinosaur!


Or else Daniel-San the karate kid vocalist will crane-kick your ass!



What's funny is the guy with the dinosaur tattoo IS the vocalist. The karate kid guy is the guitarist. I have no idea why he's in front, other than that he's in Unearth.




FALSE. He is not in Unearth, but does look somewhat like Unearth's guitarist Ken Susi, who was on the first Sweatpant Boners album, and possibly some of the next couple albums after that.
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[Aug 27,2007 2:10pm - immortal13 ""]
BrianDBB said:How many tickets do bands have to sell? Or should I ask how much do bands have to PAY to play this?


It's definitely a couple grand Bri. I asked Bernie last year when I wasn't on his bad side, and even he was telling me it ain't worth it, cuz when the locals are playing, there's maybe 1000 people there, split between four stages. Do the math...you're playing in front of maybe 250 people, and paying a couple grand for it? Just bust your ass to get on a big show with a good national, and you'll be all set with the same amount of people.
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[Aug 27,2007 2:16pm - immortal13 ""]
Late for the Sky? What kind of name is that? Crash Midnight? Enemy Remains? Stone Crusher? Don't forget BuRne with a capitol "R" and an "e" at the end. I'm hoping Bangladesh really came from Bangladesh for a shitfest like this. Martians From Uranus? Bullistic is interesting cuz we played with a band a few weeks ago called Ballistik. Almost reminds me of that band Vengince that we played with at The_Network show. Are people even trying to come up with band names these days? Or are they just throwing words together?
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[Aug 28,2007 6:00pm - deadlikedavenli  ""]
im kinda suprised so many people seem to like robby roadsteamer, hes fucking awful, i shutter when i hear his "hilarity" on the radio, his songs are completely unoriginal. Listen to them and try to tell me that at least 10 fucking people you know couldnt have written them probably better than they are.
maybe im alone, but i think its pretty fucking awful.
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[Aug 28,2007 7:15pm - i_am_lazy  ""]
ArrowHead likes Pie said:tomx nli said:[img]
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You've really never heard of Robby Roadsteamer? They used to be called the Sweatpants Boners. They've played a ton of these loco shows. Hilarious punk rockish stuff. The whole band is INTENTIONALLY a joke. You can't make fun of people who are already mocking themselves.




Whoa. I don't know why I never drew the Robby Roadsteamer/Sweatpant Boners connection.
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[Aug 28,2007 7:31pm - sinistas ""]
Robby loses so much without the getup.

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