Student Tasered after asking a question at a Kerry forum[views:37059][posts:118]______________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 8:47am - the_reverend ""] bennyhillifier that is pretty crazy |
| ______________________________ [Sep 19,2007 8:50am - Mess ""] little loud mouth prick |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 8:55am - the_reverend ""] yeah, but this is america where little loud mouth pricks shouldn't be tased. Douchbags should be allowed to be douchbags. that's the american way. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered/index.html |
| ______________________________ [Sep 19,2007 8:57am - Mess ""] halp! halp! |
| __________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 9:09am - succubus ""] that guy is a trouble maker...and regularly pulls stunts |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 9:44am - DestroyYouAlot ""] And the laaaaaand, of the freeeeeeee*bzzzzzzAAAAAPPPPPPP* |
| ___________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 10:00am - largefreakatzero ""] Someone should taser Kerry for losing the election. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 10:00am - thuringwethil ""] god what a wuss, was he asking for it? debatable, but if it had been the secret service..... |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 10:01am - the_reverend ""] got it, if you regularly speak out about things, you should get tased. welcome to russia, commies. I wonder if tasers were around 200 years ago, just who would be kibbying out on the ground at the feet of the king. [img] |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 10:02am - the_reverend ""] I think kerry is a wuss for not leaving the stage and going down to the altercation. |
| _______________________________ [Sep 19,2007 10:03am - Mess ""] kerry's a faggot too |
| _______________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 10:08am - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] succubus said:that guy is a trouble maker...and regularly pulls stunts That's the media's spin. The reality is, he was asking Kerry questions and grandstanding a bit. If you watch the other videos, Kerry actually says "That's O.K., let me answer his questions" as they start pulling him away from the mic. The only thing this kid did wrong was to go over his alloted time on the mic, and to be a little loud. Neither is reason for the cops to use force. 6 cops can't just pick the kid up and carry him? You need a taser? These cops went overboard, and deserve to lose their jobs. What's next? They gonna use tasers on loud drunks on disturbing the peace calls? They going to taser outspoken teens "I know my rights!" on traffic stops? If you know me, you're well aware that I support a cops right to use force. However, using a weapon capable of shutting down a person's heart when you've already got a 6:1 advantage over a kid is excessive, even in my view. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 10:15am - the_reverend ""] carina was probably listening to 96.9 on the way to work. Michael Graham was fake-crying cause the students marched for the trouble maker and not for the cops. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 10:15am - DestroyYouAlot ""] ArrowHead likes Pie said:succubus said:that guy is a trouble maker...and regularly pulls stunts That's the media's spin. The reality is, he was asking Kerry questions and grandstanding a bit. If you watch the other videos, Kerry actually says "That's O.K., let me answer his questions" as they start pulling him away from the mic. The only thing this kid did wrong was to go over his alloted time on the mic, and to be a little loud. Neither is reason for the cops to use force. 6 cops can't just pick the kid up and carry him? You need a taser? These cops went overboard, and deserve to lose their jobs. What's next? They gonna use tasers on loud drunks on disturbing the peace calls? They going to taser outspoken teens "I know my rights!" on traffic stops? If you know me, you're well aware that I support a cops right to use force. However, using a weapon capable of shutting down a person's heart when you've already got a 6:1 advantage over a kid is excessive, even in my view. QF fucking T |
| _______________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 10:30am - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] Again, though, I must make the same damned point I've made so many other times on this board: If a cop tells you to do something, fucking DO IT. Doesn't matter if they're wrong, doesn't matter if you "know your rights", none of it matters. Once a cop decides to arrest you the decision is made. A cop will never say "oh, okay, I changed my mind... you are free to go" This kid would NOT have gotten tazered if he'd shut the fuck up and let them cuff him. It also would make it a lot easier to show how poorly these cops acted by arresting him in the first place, since they now are able to go into court and say the kid was belligerent and resisted arrest. Otherwise, these douchebags would probably already be out of a job. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 10:35am - Aura_At_Dusk ""] i think my favorite part is that when he was getting tasered he was saying ow! ow! ow! really funny. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 10:37am - thuringwethil ""] I think two of the officers are, now 'suspended' |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 10:52am - the_reverend ""] WOW.. it's almost like you read the article I linked.. almost.. |
| _______________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 11:03am - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] thuringwethil said:I think two of the officers are, now 'suspended' Suspended WITH pay. Unfortunately, as I said, by resisting the kid gave the cops a lot more justification in how they acted. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 11:04am - GoatCatalyst ""] thuringwethil said:I think two of the officers are, now 'suspended' ... with pay ACAB |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 11:23am - DestroyYouAlot ""] GoatCatalyst said:thuringwethil said:I think two of the officers are, now 'suspended' ... with pay ACAB Suspended with pay = unscheduled vacation. I should be so lucky. |
| _________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 12:02pm - xmikex ""] ACAB for real. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 12:07pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] EIASBK. |
| _______________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 12:10pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] ABACABB [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 12:16pm - inject-now ""] "A cop will never say "oh, okay, I changed my mind... you are free to go" " I was once arrested outside the palladium for beating someone up. They put me in the paddy wagon, drove me down the street, let me out, and told me to get the fuck out of here. Coolest cops I ever met. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 12:19pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] UUDDLRLRBAStart |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 12:42pm - grizloch ""] ugh, the kid wasnt tased for asking a question, he was tased for being an idiot |
| _______________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 12:58pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] grizloch said:ugh, the kid wasnt tased for asking a question, he was tased for being an idiot He was tazered for resisting arrest. Something that should be considered unnecessary considering there were already 4-5 cops on him. It was a display of power, not a needed use of force to detain a suspect. If 4 cops can't kneel on one teenager and put him in cuffs with ease, then they shouldn't be working as cops. |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 12:58pm - metal_church101 ""] Tase John Kerry at all costs. |
| ______________________________ [Sep 19,2007 1:01pm - Yeti ""] ArrowHead likes Pie said:grizloch said:ugh, the kid wasnt tased for asking a question, he was tased for being an idiot He was tazered for resisting arrest. Something that should be considered unnecessary considering there were already 4-5 cops on him. It was a display of power, not a needed use of force to detain a suspect. If 4 cops can't kneel on one teenager and put him in cuffs with ease, then they shouldn't be working as cops. a vulgar display of power at that [img] |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 1:08pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] ArrowHead likes Pie said:grizloch said:ugh, the kid wasnt tased for asking a question, he was tased for being an idiot He was tazered for resisting arrest. Something that should be considered unnecessary considering there were already 4-5 cops on him. It was a display of power, not a needed use of force to detain a suspect. If 4 cops can't kneel on one teenager and put him in cuffs with ease, then they shouldn't be working as cops. What's ironic is that the (needlessly) escalated response was probably only because the whole thing was televised and high-profile, and they were super anxious to keep up appearances. That sure worked out. |
| _____________________________ [Sep 19,2007 1:13pm - mOe ""] I saw this and it kinda sickened me so what if he resisted and made a scene out of it. People who argue that was why he got tazed are ignorant. If I were ever being wrongfully apprehended by police officers i'd make a scene too. Hell man, so what if they taze me. I'm not goin out like a bitch. And its more leverage in the court room when I sue their white asses. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 1:19pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] mOe said:I saw this and it kinda sickened me so what if he resisted and made a scene out of it. People who argue that was why he got tazed are ignorant. If I were ever being wrongfully apprehended by police officers i'd make a scene too. Hell man, so what if they taze me. I'm not goin out like a bitch. And its more leverage in the court room when I sue their white asses. +1 Going quietly is for the weak. |
| ______________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 1:35pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] Yeti said: a vulgar display of power at that [img] I love that photo. They paid a homeless guy $50 a punch to get pummeled in the face at that photo shoot. Bands could learn a lot about cover-art from Pantera. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 2:49pm - grizloch ""] ArrowHead likes Pie said:grizloch said:ugh, the kid wasnt tased for asking a question, he was tased for being an idiot He was tazered for resisting arrest. Something that should be considered unnecessary considering there were already 4-5 cops on him. It was a display of power, not a needed use of force to detain a suspect. If 4 cops can't kneel on one teenager and put him in cuffs with ease, then they shouldn't be working as cops. there is a difference between restraining someone without hurting them and breaking their legs, I dunno if youve ever had to restrain someone who was fighting back, but doing it without hurting them or getting hurt is harder than you seem to think, particularly when you have a gun and the kid has absolutely no intention of going quietly, if the kid had gotten an arm broken and the cops got kicked in the balls and there was blood and hair everywhere this would have been a much bigger spectacle on a national scale, not to mention in that room, he was tazed to stop him from struggling and getting hurt or hurting someone else, regardless of how many cops there were, thats what tazers are for if thats not what tazers are for, feel free to clue me in |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 2:56pm - the_reverend ""] they are so jackass could make a second movie. FACT |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 2:57pm - the_reverend ""] and when I started watching this video, I figured it was a republican in the room. But if it were a republican, that kid wouldn't have been let in the room. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 3:03pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] grizloch said:there is a difference between restraining someone without hurting them and breaking their legs, I dunno if youve ever had to restrain someone who was fighting back, but doing it without hurting them or getting hurt is harder than you seem to think, particularly when you have a gun and the kid has absolutely no intention of going quietly[SNIP] I used to be a bouncer at the Cambridgeport; ejecting somebody from a room when that's what you've been trained to do (whether they've decided they want to be there or not) isn't rocket science. I could've tossed that kid without anybody getting hurt (let alone tased) all by my lonesome; there's no way five cops should've had any trouble. |
| ______________________________ [Sep 19,2007 3:07pm - Lamp ""] ArrowHead likes Pie said:If a cop tells you to do something, fucking DO IT. Doesn't matter if they're wrong, doesn't matter if you "know your rights", none of it matters. Once a cop decides to arrest you the decision is made. A cop will never say "oh, okay, I changed my mind... you are free to go" You are a fucking pussy. If the cops did that shit to me I would have resisted in the same way, and if they tasered me, I'd hope it would piss other people off too. Don't let the system win when you know it's wrong. If you excuse force like this once, then a society where it's okay to beat the living fuck out of people for exercising their rights in a way certain individuals don't like becomes the norm. |
| ______________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 3:09pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] grizloch said: there is a difference between restraining someone without hurting them and breaking their legs, I dunno if youve ever had to restrain someone who was fighting back, but doing it without hurting them or getting hurt is harder than you seem to think, particularly when you have a gun and the kid has absolutely no intention of going quietly, if the kid had gotten an arm broken and the cops got kicked in the balls and there was blood and hair everywhere this would have been a much bigger spectacle on a national scale, not to mention in that room, he was tazed to stop him from struggling and getting hurt or hurting someone else, regardless of how many cops there were, thats what tazers are for if thats not what tazers are for, feel free to clue me in Interesting, but pretty false. A single cop might be justified if restraining a resisting kid, but 4-5 cops? It's not as hard as you make it out to be, especially since they are trained. Again, it's not fucking hard. Kneel on him, roll him, each cop secures an arm and leg. As for you're whining about breaking his arms, waaah. A front cuff and leg shackle would avoid that, and would be a much more intelligent second choice than a 15000 volt taser that could potentially kill someone with a heart problem. You may not know shit about restraint techniques, and that's understandable. But I WOULD expect that cops, prison guards, and Security officers should be trained and know what they're doing. |
| ______________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 3:17pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] Lamp said: You are a fucking pussy. If the cops did that shit to me I would have resisted in the same way, and if they tasered me, I'd hope it would piss other people off too. Don't let the system win when you know it's wrong. If you excuse force like this once, then a society where it's okay to beat the living fuck out of people for exercising their rights in a way certain individuals don't like becomes the norm. Not sure how doing the smart thing makes me a pussy, retard. Suck my dick. Taking on 4 cops trying to do what they're told? Yeah, that makes you the man retard. The cops fucked up. The kid was in the right. Without resistance, he would easily have been taken in and released, and most likely been cleared of all charges. Meanwhile, you would be the macho dipshit that gets his fucking nose busted, takes a taser, and goes through court for a couple years trying to get your charges cleared. Good way to fight the system. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 3:17pm - the_reverend ""] those people were university cops. second only in their horridness to rent-a-cops. |
| ______________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 3:21pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] the_reverend said:those people were university cops. second only in their horridness to rent-a-cops. I don't know about Florida, but in Mass university police are trained state police officers. |
| ______________________________ [Sep 19,2007 3:24pm - Yeti ""] i don't know about that, the WPI cops are a bunch of fat nobodies. they like to drive around acting tough, trying to police the private residencies near the property, but they are dumbasses. |
| ______________________________ [Sep 19,2007 3:24pm - Yeti ""] maybe some of them are. |
| ______________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 3:27pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] Yeti said:i don't know about that, the WPI cops are a bunch of fat nobodies. So are a lot of our troopers. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 3:28pm - the_reverend ""] UNH cops aren't. I think it's funny when a town has both University cops AND a town police. there is a law stating that you can only have one autonomous police department per-town. [img] |
| ______________________________ [Sep 19,2007 3:29pm - Lamp ""] ArrowHead likes Pie said:Taking on 4 cops trying to do what they're told? Yeah, that makes you the man retard. The cops fucked up. The kid was in the right. Without resistance, he would easily have been taken in and released, and most likely been cleared of all charges. Meanwhile, you would be the macho dipshit that gets his fucking nose busted, takes a taser, and goes through court for a couple years trying to get your charges cleared. Good way to fight the system. It's part of the law system in this country that you're supposed to be read your rights and told why you're being arrested. None of that happened in the video. The guys just dragged the kid away from the podium and tasered him for no reason at all. The fact that he got charged with anything is bullshit. He wasn't armed, he didn't pose a threat to anybody, he got cuffed because someone decided they didn't like what he was saying. That's bullshit. |
| ______________________________ [Sep 19,2007 3:29pm - Yeti ""] ArrowHead likes Pie said:Yeti said:i don't know about that, the WPI cops are a bunch of fat nobodies. So are a lot of our troopers. fair enough |
| ______________________________________________ [Sep 19,2007 3:39pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] Lamp said: It's part of the law system in this country that you're supposed to be read your rights and told why you're being arrested. None of that happened in the video. The guys just dragged the kid away from the podium and tasered him for no reason at all. The fact that he got charged with anything is bullshit. He wasn't armed, he didn't pose a threat to anybody, he got cuffed because someone decided they didn't like what he was saying. That's bullshit. It is bullshit. Something I myself have said several times in this big long thread you obviously didn't read. Meanwhile, he would not have gotten tasered in the first place if he just did what he was told and stopped resisting. Then, you argue laws and rights where you're supposed to: in court. The kid's gonna win, either way, but now he resisted and gave cops justification, as well as getting a nice electrical shock in the process. If you read the whole thread instead of jumping in halfway through to call me a pussy, you'd see I've already said the cops had no right to arrest the kid, or tazer him. |