dual or triple rectifiers?[views:7554][posts:32]_________________________________________ [Jan 11,2004 11:29am - xdysenterytomx ""] wich one is the way to go, im in need of a new amp and i here that rectifiers are great...?? |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 11,2004 11:41am - erggghh ""] dual. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 11,2004 11:59am - A_Cold_Reality ""] if ur pickin up a rec, ur gonnA need A new cAb too, the crAtes cant handle thAT much power |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 11,2004 3:49pm - subjugate ""] i like those heads but everyone and their brother is using em now eventually everyone is gonna sorta have the same tone with a little degree of varience due to effets and settings and tuning thats just my opinion anyway |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 11,2004 3:49pm - TheGreatSpaldino ""] fuck gaysa boogie... get a 5150 besides... i have heard way too many stories of tubes blowing with the triple recs (one good example is buga from NA) |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 11,2004 3:50pm - subjugate ""] i have the 5150 |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 11,2004 3:51pm - DeOdiumMortis ""] I don't like either Dual/Trips of the 5150. They're both very tired sounds now, not much uniqueness to be found there anymore. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 11,2004 3:51pm - TheGreatSpaldino ""] 5150's sound bad ass |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 11,2004 3:59pm - subjugate ""] they are if they are run through the nonsence i have it going through haha but live under the right situation a power amp is all i need for ampage but for the studio i use the heads 5150 :nuke: marshall one on the left one on the right DeOdiumMortis said:I don't like either Dual/Trips of the 5150. They're both very tired sounds now, not much uniqueness to be found there anymore. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 11,2004 6:27pm - jay-ganihm ""] fuck guitar. play drums! |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 11,2004 6:31pm - A_Cold_Reality ""] 5150's are really good amps, but I don't think it'll work that well from death metal, unless you use a pre-amp. The clear channel on the 5150 is amazing though. Marshall's have my fav sound, I like the TSL series. As far as Mesa goes, they are awesome amps, esspecially for music with a lot of low end. There clean channel is also very nice. If you don't want the rectifier sound, try the mark IV, that is also a sick amp. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 11,2004 7:19pm - Terence ""] get a 70lb DIESEL. they only cost about $4500, and are made single-handedly by some guy in Germany. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 11,2004 7:38pm - dyingmuse ""] its all about the power amps man...and digitec...and jackson of course RACK MOUNT ALL THE WAY BABY!!!!!!! WOOO HOOOO |
| _________________________________ [Jan 12,2004 12:27am - George ""] i hate 5150. they sound terrible. peavy makes crappy amps. i used to play through one when my amp broke and it sounded like crap. i like marshalls, but i'd get a triple rectifier if i could afford it. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 12,2004 12:36am - Kalopsia ""] one guitarist of mine has a Triple Rectifier powering a Mesa 4x12, cabinet and it fucking destroys all. he's had it for roughly 4 years now, has never changed the tubes (he's obviously overdue for one) they all still work and it still sounds awesome. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 12,2004 12:52am - Kalopsia ""] you could always try a POD rackmount with a power amp. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 12,2004 9:35am - A_Cold_Reality ""] Kalopsia said:you could always try a POD rackmount with a power amp. FUCK THAT, POD SOUNDS LIKE ASS AT A HIGH VOLUME |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 12,2004 12:44pm - 5 Minutes Hate ""] 5150's are excellent amps, remember, you're only going to get a "good" sound if you've got "good" speakers though and "good" pickups in your guitar. Whoever said that they used a 5150 and it sounded like ass, I'm wondering what you were playing through for a speaker cab and what type of guitar you were using? The one difference is that they're 120 watt heads and most cabs are 100 watt cabs. That doesn't seem like much but honestly it's a world of difference. I've had my 5150 for 8 years and it's never let me down and never not given me the sound I've needed. It did however take a few different cabs to get me where I wanted to be! The other guitarist in 5 Minutes Hate uses a triple rectifier but only uses the solid state! Mixing the tube sound with the solid state makes for an awesome sound overall. That's my two cents, I'd recommend a 5150 to anyone who asks me what they should get but again, it's all opinion and preference so whatever works for ya! |
| ______________________________ [Jan 12,2004 2:12pm - blue ""] recs are overrated and overpriced. go on ebay and buy yourself a mark IV, the last great mesa head. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 12,2004 2:27pm - joey umbrella ""] im gonna have to school you people. first of all, the difference between a dual and triple rectifier is so insignificant that saying you can tell the difference is retarded. a rectifier is a means of how power is sent throught the amp. there is 2 ways, a tube rectifier (which is spongy and makes it so your power isnt always available, so for like blues and stuff) and then there is silicon diode (which is what marshall, and pretty much everything else has, which is a diode, making power always available, and for anyone playing metal on this site would probably use, unless your brain dead). so now that we know this, the difference between the dual or triple is $150 , for what? for 50 watts no human will ever need (besides discordance axis, because he played 900 watt power amps, which made him deaf and broke up his band) and an extra set of tube rectifiers. the 5150 is an ok amp at best. messy distortion, and built like shit. actually they are made by crate if you must know. and crate is shit(the other guitar player in my band has a blue voodoo, and that amp is subpar). so... marshall are good. thats it. they are made by korg now and have left quality control guidelines. mesa are still made by hand, but if you can find an old 2 channel dual rectifier, that was the shit. the difference here, is that the new 3 channels share the tone between the 3 channels instead of 2, which was the ballsiest sound. thats why when you see a mesa in preamps, such as the line 6 pods, it says like, 94-96. thats what you want. you see them on ebay alot. they are awesome. i know all this because i worked for guitar center fo a year or so, and i got all the real training on the shit. if you have any other questions, ask. thanks |
| __________________________________ [Jan 12,2004 2:31pm - HiImPaul ""] any one who says a 5150 sounds like shit should really take a litsen to the head. It gives a more powerful sounding gain and you dont have to up the gain on the heads to get a heavy sound out of them. A dual rec also sounds pretty damn good. Ive been using a 5150 for a while now I run it through a mesa rectifier straight cab. I get really good low end and a really good clean sound out of it. Go with a 5150 or a dual rec for good tone if youre playing heavier music or even if your not playing heavier music. Oh and with the 5150 I thought the originals were hand made like the EVH models were hand made I thought as where the signiture series werent hand made. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 12,2004 2:36pm - DeOdiumMortis ""] I've never heard a 5150 that impressed me. They all sound flat and toneless to me. I like my Ampeg V7 but it's a bit noisy, I need new tubes and a foot controller to help with that. Blue, your amp sound is sick. Jim and I were really appreciating the tone at BoK, what do you use? |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 12,2004 2:43pm - A_Cold_Reality ""] mesas are not still hand made, they were, but have not been for over an year now. The demand for the product was so high that they started to mass produce. And all good amps were hand made at one point or anohter (i.e. vintage marshall, ol skool 5150s). I like 5150s, and putting one through a mesa cab will give u better low end, but they are not made for low end, they are made for a more high end sound. I mean if you really want to debate about the best amps, i would look no further than soldano and bogner, but those are super expensive. In fact, the design for the 5150 was pretty much a mix between a hotwired marshall head that Eddie Van Halen had and a Soldano. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 12,2004 3:00pm - Sinistas ""] here's a vote for a Mark IV |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 12,2004 3:48pm - joey umbrella ""] 5150's arent complete shit, i take that back. they just dont have any type of unique tone whatsoever. so chugga is ok with these. and as for cabs, marshall 1960a's are the best cabs in existence. i own both mesa, and marshall cabs. the mesa is cool cuz its so big. honestly though, the marshall have been the same for the past 25 years because they got it right. perfect bass, perfect highs. really there is no better cab out there for the $$$. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 12,2004 3:53pm - Sinistas ""] For the cash, it's all about Avatar cabinets. Hands-down. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 12,2004 4:40pm - A_Cold_Reality ""] joey umbrella said:5150's arent complete shit, i take that back. they just dont have any type of unique tone whatsoever. so chugga is ok with these. and as for cabs, marshall 1960a's are the best cabs in existence. i own both mesa, and marshall cabs. the mesa is cool cuz its so big. honestly though, the marshall have been the same for the past 25 years because they got it right. perfect bass, perfect highs. really there is no better cab out there for the $$$. 1960 cabs do rule! best mid level |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 12,2004 8:10pm - jay-ganihm ""] joey umbrella said:im gonna have to school you people. first of all, the difference between a dual and triple rectifier is so insignificant that saying you can tell the difference is retarded. a rectifier is a means of how power is sent throught the amp. there is 2 ways, a tube rectifier (which is spongy and makes it so your power isnt always available, so for like blues and stuff) and then there is silicon diode (which is what marshall, and pretty much everything else has, which is a diode, making power always available, and for anyone playing metal on this site would probably use, unless your brain dead). so now that we know this, the difference between the dual or triple is $150 , for what? for 50 watts no human will ever need (besides discordance axis, because he played 900 watt power amps, which made him deaf and broke up his band) and an extra set of tube rectifiers. the 5150 is an ok amp at best. messy distortion, and built like shit. actually they are made by crate if you must know. and crate is shit(the other guitar player in my band has a blue voodoo, and that amp is subpar). so... marshall are good. thats it. they are made by korg now and have left quality control guidelines. mesa are still made by hand, but if you can find an old 2 channel dual rectifier, that was the shit. the difference here, is that the new 3 channels share the tone between the 3 channels instead of 2, which was the ballsiest sound. thats why when you see a mesa in preamps, such as the line 6 pods, it says like, 94-96. thats what you want. you see them on ebay alot. they are awesome. i know all this because i worked for guitar center fo a year or so, and i got all the real training on the shit. if you have any other questions, ask. thanks you forgot a bunch if technical differences. rectification is a fancy word for "making a DC signal out of an AC signal." there are actually 3 ways of achieving this. half wave, full wave, and bridge rectification. all methods use silicon or geranium diodes as the devices of choice. full wave is usually the method used in all guitar amps. when the signal is rectified twice on the motherboard, as it is in a mesa dual rectifier, the signal isn't as clean (free of noise) when it reaches the tube transistors (either FET, or BJT - both containing silicon diodes) for signal amplification, producing inferior tonal qualities, and higher tolerance differences in the quiescent point, in turn sacraficing distortion of the signal (that actually sounds nice.) now, with a triple rectifier the signal is actually cleaner because it is rectified three times before it is outputed from the motherboard to the transistor tubes, giving you a better shot at achieving a quiescent point and driving the tubes into saturation for a better distorted sound, along with richer tonal qualities on each channel. also, i've seen mesa boogies with switchable mosFET/silicon diode tubes. the difference usually isn't audible enough for one to notice, but if you hook up an oscilloscope to the output of the head, you'll notice less noise on the sine wave on a triple rectifier. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 12,2004 8:32pm - DeOdiumMortis ""] jay-ganihm said:joey umbrella said:im gonna have to school you people. first of all, the difference between a dual and triple rectifier is so insignificant that saying you can tell the difference is retarded. a rectifier is a means of how power is sent throught the amp. there is 2 ways, a tube rectifier (which is spongy and makes it so your power isnt always available, so for like blues and stuff) and then there is silicon diode (which is what marshall, and pretty much everything else has, which is a diode, making power always available, and for anyone playing metal on this site would probably use, unless your brain dead). so now that we know this, the difference between the dual or triple is $150 , for what? for 50 watts no human will ever need (besides discordance axis, because he played 900 watt power amps, which made him deaf and broke up his band) and an extra set of tube rectifiers. the 5150 is an ok amp at best. messy distortion, and built like shit. actually they are made by crate if you must know. and crate is shit(the other guitar player in my band has a blue voodoo, and that amp is subpar). so... marshall are good. thats it. they are made by korg now and have left quality control guidelines. mesa are still made by hand, but if you can find an old 2 channel dual rectifier, that was the shit. the difference here, is that the new 3 channels share the tone between the 3 channels instead of 2, which was the ballsiest sound. thats why when you see a mesa in preamps, such as the line 6 pods, it says like, 94-96. thats what you want. you see them on ebay alot. they are awesome. i know all this because i worked for guitar center fo a year or so, and i got all the real training on the shit. if you have any other questions, ask. thanks you forgot a bunch if technical differences. rectification is a fancy word for "making a DC signal out of an AC signal." there are actually 3 ways of achieving this. half wave, full wave, and bridge rectification. all methods use silicon or geranium diodes as the devices of choice. full wave is usually the method used in all guitar amps. when the signal is rectified twice on the motherboard, as it is in a mesa dual rectifier, the signal isn't as clean (free of noise) when it reaches the tube transistors (either FET, or BJT - both containing silicon diodes) for signal amplification, producing inferior tonal qualities, and higher tolerance differences in the quiescent point, in turn sacraficing distortion of the signal (that actually sounds nice.) now, with a triple rectifier the signal is actually cleaner because it is rectified three times before it is outputed from the motherboard to the transistor tubes, giving you a better shot at achieving a quiescent point and driving the tubes into saturation for a better distorted sound, along with richer tonal qualities on each channel. also, i've seen mesa boogies with switchable mosFET/silicon diode tubes. the difference usually isn't audible enough for one to notice, but if you hook up an oscilloscope to the output of the head, you'll notice less noise on the sine wave on a triple rectifier. I fucking love science. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 13,2004 1:59am - joey umbrella ""] awesome. well i didnt want to go that in depth, nor did it really pertain to what i needed to get across, but i think there are some people that now know a little more after todays writings. *e- hi-five* |
| __________________________________ [Jan 13,2004 1:22pm - HiImPaul ""] lol alright then , im just going to play out of what I think sounds good. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 13,2004 1:40pm - noosebomb666 ""] Just get a Marshall. Preferably an older one. They have reissued the JCM800 and the 70's-era superlead 100W, the 2 best sounding guitar heads ever made. Why bother looking at anything else. Sure you need a distortion pedal for the super crunch, but with the right pedal you just cant get a better sound than an old Marshall. That being said, my guitarist has a Mesa/Boogie F100 head and I must say the thing sounds fucking awesome. heres the musicians friend ads for the 2 marshall heads http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=04...home/search/detail/base_pid/482714/ http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=04...home/search/detail/base_pid/482713/ |
| ______________________________ [Jan 13,2004 1:45pm - blue ""] DeOdiumMortis said:I've never heard a 5150 that impressed me. They all sound flat and toneless to me. I like my Ampeg V7 but it's a bit noisy, I need new tubes and a foot controller to help with that. Blue, your amp sound is sick. Jim and I were really appreciating the tone at BoK, what do you use? i just use a pod pro through an older early 90s model mosvalve power amp. i use the insane amp model on the pod, its super bass heavy and thick which i enjoy a lot. but id have to say that my cabs (loaded with celestion vintage 30s and sheffields) and my pickups (seymour duncan jbs) do almost as much work as the pod pro. |