A semantic riddle that I cannot seem to figure out.....[views:2101][posts:37]_________________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 10:09am - FleshFries nli ""] My Semantics teacher asked us to come up with a statement that: A) Has no opinion B) Makes sense C) Cannot be true D) Cannot be false Only two people were able to figure one out [apparently there are many statements]. He said I came EXTREMELY close with "This statement is not true and not false." Any ideas? |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 11:26am - the_reverend ""] theory teachers and semantic teachers are weirdos... |
| __________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 12:04pm - brian_dc ""] no, that has an opinion, rev |
| ________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 12:23pm - peter ""] i am lying |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 12:34pm - the_reverend ""] how very princess bride of peter. I believe he is correct. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 1:06pm - sxealex ""] FleshFries nli said:"This statement is not true and not false." Any ideas? This statement could be true or false. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 1:12pm - the_reverend ""] that statement can be true or false so it fails c/d |
| _______________________________ [Jan 3,2008 1:13pm - xmikex ""] Read the latest ESPN article about how the Patriots have no running game. It has no opinion in that it's the same rehashed story that's been pumped out by 100 other crappy sports writers even after being proved wrong. It makes sense in the fact that they mention the Pats are 13th in the league in rushing. It's not false because all the statistics are correct. And at the same time it's not true because every stat contradicts the point they're trying to make. Crappy sports writing for the win. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 1:17pm - sxealex ""] the_reverend said:that statement can be true or false so it fails c/d how? |
| ______________________________ [Jan 3,2008 1:20pm - Timma ""] the_reverend said:that statement can be true or false so it fails c/d That statement would also involve an opinion on whether it could be true or could be false. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 1:22pm - brian_dc ""] if the statement can be true or false it fails that it cannot be true and then it fails that it cannot be false because it can be true or it can be false |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 1:22pm - the_reverend ""] do I have to murder you? after a re-thought, maybe you are right. if "This statement is not true and not false." is close.. maybe it's just "This statement is true or false." I don;t have the time for proofs right now. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 1:22pm - brian_dc ""] it think peter is right |
| _________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 1:22pm - brian_dc ""] er...I |
| _______________________________ [Jan 3,2008 1:32pm - peter ""] so do i |
| __________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 5:50pm - PeteovDom ""] hows about "i succeeded at failing"? |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 7:26pm - fleshfries ""] Ok, a buddy of mine came to a conclusion...allow me to describe in detail the scenario: He said to imagine that we are all visiting an island on which the natives are hostile against foreigners. We end up going through the thick jungle and get lost, and then hear a rustling. A bunch of natives come out with spears and and immediately bring us back to their little settlement, and put us in cages far enough away from each other so that we could not speak to one another. The cheif of the tribe [who happens to speak English....] comes to the cage I [or you] am [are] occupying. He says the following.... "We are mean and to not take kindly to foreigners on our land. We will give you a chance to go free and leave our island...all you need to do is make a statement that has no opinion, makes sense, and is not true or false. If your statement is true, you will be fed to the crocodiles, and if your statement is false, you will be boiled in oil." Now the reason I gave the scenario this time is because the answer that my buddy came up with was this: "You will boil me in oil." I'm still trying to understand why that is correct, however.... |
| __________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 7:45pm - narkybark ""] You can simplify that by just saying "this statement is false". It's an old riddle. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 7:58pm - fleshfries ""] Yea I started to realize that after my buddy told me his answer...it seems like it's pretty much a statement that contradicts itself...pretty interesting. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 11:26pm - trampletheweak ""] my class goes a lot differently than yours and it's right next door. i got stuck with the crappy first year teacher :p |
| _________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 11:39pm - sxealex ""] the_reverend said:do I have to murder you? after a re-thought, maybe you are right. if "This statement is not true and not false." is close.. maybe it's just "This statement is true or false." I don;t have the time for proofs right now. thats what i said but i replaced "is" with "could". i figured that was it was stating a possibility rather than an opinion that it IS true or false. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 11:42pm - sxealex ""] i am lying has an opinion. i could be lying does not. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 3,2008 11:59pm - PeteovDom ""] thats not expressing an opinion, thats a fact. to me, "could" leaves more room for opinion...but thats just my opinion. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 12:17am - sxealex ""] if its a fact then its a true statement. you gotta pick a side of the fence on that one. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 12:24am - trampletheweak ""] i still have 2 hours of semantics homework ahead of me... |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 1:17am - fleshfries ""] PeteovDom said:thats not expressing an opinion, thats a fact. Let's not forget, however....Fact = widely accepted opinion |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 1:54am - PatMeebles ""] "God is" ... ? |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 1:58am - PatMeebles ""] fleshfries said:"You will boil me in oil." I'm still trying to understand why that is correct, however.... If the guys was boiled in oil, the statement would be true, and he'd have to be fed to the crocodile like the guy promised. Therefore it's false, except it isn't because if the guys was boiled in oil, the statement would be true, and he'd have to be fed to the crocodile like the guy promised. Therefore it's false, except it isn't because if the guys was boiled in oil, the statement would be true, and he'd have to be fed to the crocodile like the guy promised. Therefore it's false, except it isn't because if the guys was boiled in oil, the statement would be true, and he'd have to be fed to the crocodile like the guy promised. Therefore it's false, except it isn't because if the guys was boiled in oil, the statement would be true, and he'd have to be fed to the crocodile like the guy promised. Therefore it's false, except it isn't because if the guys was boiled in oil, the statement would be true, and he'd have to be fed to the crocodile like the guy promised. Therefore it's false, except it isn't because if the guys was boiled in oil, the statement would be true, and he'd have to be fed to the crocodile like the guy promised. Therefore it's false, except it isn't because if the guys was boiled in oil, the statement would be true, and he'd have to be fed to the crocodile like the guy promised. Therefore it's false, except it isn't because if the guys was boiled in oil, the statement would be true, and he'd have to be fed to the crocodile like the guy promised. Therefore it's false, except it isn't because if the guys was boiled in oil, the statement would be true, and he'd have to be fed to the crocodile like the guy promised. Therefore it's false, except it isn't because if the guys was boiled in oil, the statement would be true, and he'd have to be fed to the crocodile like the guy promised. Therefore it's false, except it isn't because if the guys was boiled in oil, the statement would be true, and he'd have to be fed to the crocodile like the guy promised. Therefore it's false, except it isn't because if the guys was boiled in oil, the statement would be true, and he'd have to be fed to the crocodile like the guy promised. Therefore it's false, except it isn't because... |
| ________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 2:22am - sxealex ""] does an order count as a statement? if you tell someone to do something it has no opinion or inherent right or wrongness and it makes sense. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 2:25am - sxealex ""] statement noun 1. a message that is stated or declared; a communication (oral or written) setting forth particulars or facts etc; "according to his statement he was in London on that day" 2. a fact or assertion offered as evidence that something is true; "it was a strong argument that his hypothesis was true" [syn: argument] 3. (music) the presentation of a musical theme; "the initial statement of the sonata" 4. a nonverbal message; "a Cadillac makes a statement about who you are"; "his tantrums are a statement of his need for attention" 5. the act of affirming or asserting or stating something [syn: affirmation] |
| ________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 2:26am - sxealex ""] ill show this guy a semantic... your assignment is impossible according to the dictionary |
| ________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 2:29am - sxealex ""] this is gonna be some stupid bullshit resolution like half the fucking ethics shit i took. they tell you something is circular logic... like supposedly egoism has circular logic? not in my book i tell you. you wonder about the answer thinking its gonna be something clever then its just something lame that makes you wanna punch the teacher. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 2:33am - sxealex ""] order1 [ˈoːdə] noun a statement (by a person in authority) of what someone must do; a command Example: He gave me my orders. so according to the dictionary your answer could be "Eat shit." its not an opinion its just something im telling you to do it makes sense its not true its not false |
| ___________________________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 3:56am - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] I haven't read this whole thread, yet I'd like to chime in with this: Fuck, fuck, fuck a duck. Screw a kangaroo. Finger an orangutan. Orgy at the zoo. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 3:58am - PatMeebles ""] it's fingerBANG, you nitwit!! |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 8:33am - My_dying_bride ""] this stuff always intrigues me... conclusion: eat shit [img] |
| ______________________________ [Jan 4,2008 10:46am - Yeti ""] when you mash squash in Ohio, you'll get an ill thrill from whiffle ball drills. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 4,2008 10:48am - Timma ""] Yeti said:when you mash squash in Ohio, you'll get an ill thrill from whiffle ball drills. Genius. |