who has a decent guitar for sale?
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[Jul 11,2008 4:55pm - joey umbrella ""]
i broke my guitar yesterday and need a new one. i will not support guitar center, so local is the way to go...
if you got something cool with no floyd rose, let me know...
thanks dudes!
highesthorse@gmail.com
[Jul 11,2008 9:58pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
http://www.rondomusic.com/product1990.html
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$150. If I were a righty, I'd buy one. Godlessrob just bought one for a family member and said he's really impressed with it. Just throwing it out there.
[Jul 11,2008 10:55pm - joey umbrella ""]
wow, thats cool! thanks alot man. at that price i can almost afford to destroy
[Jul 11,2008 10:58pm - ........... ""]
how are those douglas guitars? i looked on ebay and they have some decent looking les paul knock offs...and best of all they're cheap as hell... do these things play good or what?
[Jul 11,2008 11:03pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
Douglas is the mid range. Sx are the cheapos, and the Agiles are the higher quality ones.
I have this one:
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It plays like a dream. I replaced the PUPS, and had to clear a little bit of wood out of the cavity that was blocking the trem a bit. Now, it plays as good as any of my other guitars. The only other changes I made were cosmetic.
I also just ordered one of these:
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Don't know if it's a great guitar yet, but for $99 I had to buy it.
[Jul 11,2008 11:12pm - ........... ""]
shit...i think i might have to get one of these!
that v looks pretty good for $99! do they have em with an all black paint job?
[Jul 12,2008 8:55am - Hoser ""]
I have an ESP LTD M-302 for sale if you're interested.
Natural finish. And mint.
[Jul 12,2008 8:59am - powerkok ""]
Hose, how much you want for that?
I want it.
[Jul 12,2008 9:04am - Hoser ""]
I'd want to get at least $300 for it.
If I ebay it I'm gonna ask $350-$400 with the case and the EMG 81.
[Jul 12,2008 9:06am - powerkok ""]
Ill give you 300 and whatever it costs to ship it with the case. Prolly like 40-50 I would think, but fig it out, and lemme know.
Pm me yer address and Ill send you a postal money order monday, pal.
[Jul 12,2008 9:07am - powerkok ""]
Ive ALWAYS wanted that fucking axe!!!!
[Jul 12,2008 9:14am - powerkok ""]
Ive ALWAYS wanted that fucking axe!!!!
[Jul 12,2008 9:15am - powerkok ""]
Arrow, how are the floyds on those Agiles?
I was intrigued by those as well, for a learning family member,
[Jul 12,2008 10:18am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
The floyd is good, but the routing was a little craptastic on mine. It wouldn't pull up or float right, so i had to trim a little wood away with my dremel. It wasn't a tough fix, and now it is the best feeling floyd I have. Only other issue is that the trem arm got a tiny bit loose in the slot, so I threw a piece of teflon tape on there and now it's fine.
For what they cost, these guitars are pretty awesome. For a learner, they're amazing.
[Jul 12,2008 10:22am - GodlessRob ""]
I have to say that I am impressed with that guitar. FOR THE MONEY nothing out there is going to touch it. I would say that it is on par with the 5-600$ schecters and the mid range LTDs (which I have both, so I am not talking out my ass!) I got the guitar yesterday, spent 20 min tuning and intonating it (not that my nephew had any idea what the fuck I was doing and yes I explained what I was doing.). I plugged it in and it fucking ripped, I was shocked. It's neck through, the neck is fatter than my Jackson, the frets don't buzz, and it's got a decent acoustic tone. The only thing I would change if it were mine would be to put an EMG 81 in it. I say that only because I have been using 81's since 1987. Other than that, for the money, it's truly one hell of a guitar.
Joey,
what kind of guitar are you looking for and how much do you want to spend? I have something for sale, but it's very much the type of guitar you'd have to BE INTO to want.
[Jul 12,2008 10:47am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
GodlessRob said:It's neck through
It's actually a set neck. I thought it was neck through too.
[Jul 12,2008 10:49am - blue ""]
rondomusic.net for the best bang for your buck deals on the internet.
[Jul 12,2008 10:57am - Nicc nli ""]
Rondo has some decent guitars. I got a couple of the interceptors.
Can't compete with LTD quality though.
[Jul 12,2008 10:59am - blue ""]
Nicc%20nli said:Rondo has some decent guitars. I got a couple of the interceptors.
Can't compete with LTD quality though.
for hundreds less you get near LTD quality though. not to mention more pickup choices than just EMGs all the time.
[Jul 12,2008 11:04am - Nicc nli ""]
blue said:
Nicc%20nli said:Rondo has some decent guitars. I got a couple of the interceptors.
Can't compete with LTD quality though.
for hundreds less you get near LTD quality though. not to mention more pickup choices than just EMGs all the time.
nah, not really.
the interceptors are priced almost exactly the same as the MH line, but don't offer quality bridges, pickups, or lifetime warranties.
What's with you and EMGs? With the interceptors you get EMGs on the best couple models (in the $600 range) or you get crappy no-name pickups.
[Jul 12,2008 11:14am - Hoser ""]
powerkok said:Ill give you 300 and whatever it costs to ship it with the case. Prolly like 40-50 I would think, but fig it out, and lemme know.
Pm me yer address and Ill send you a postal money order monday, pal.
Up to you man. If you want her, she's yours. Just protect me from Lady Di. She'll want to kill me for selling you a guitar. But, I guess this would make up for me selling my one of a kind Camo Warlock on you.
[Jul 12,2008 11:16am - Nicc nli ""]
make sure you send him a cavity cover for it.
[Jul 12,2008 11:19am - Hoser ""]
Nicc%20nli said:make sure you send him a cavity cover for it.
Niccolai, I have that fucking cavity cover right here in the drawer. I finally found the fucking thing. If you still want it, send me your address, and with God as my witness, I will send it to you.
"I want my 2 dollars!!!!!"
hahahahahaha
[Jul 12,2008 11:20am - Nicc nli ""]
haha, nah, i sold that guitar like 2 weeks after I bought it from you. it's just funny to still give you some shit for the cavity cover.
[Jul 12,2008 12:06pm - powerkok ""]
hahaha I still have the extra trem arm too.
Tell ya what Hoser babe, someone offers you tree bills before monday, take it. if not Ill give ya tree bills.
Arrow/Rob/Blue.....thx for the lo-down. I was checking those out a few months ago, and spec wise was impressed for the price. Glad to know theyre decent.
How bout these
SX
OLP
Ive read on em, but dont know anyone whos actually played them.
[Jul 12,2008 12:08pm - powerkok ""]
hahaha I still have the extra trem arm too.
Tell ya what Hoser babe, someone offers you tree bills before monday, take it. if not Ill give ya tree bills.
Arrow/Rob/Blue.....thx for the lo-down. I was checking those out a few months ago, and spec wise was impressed for the price. Glad to know theyre decent.
How bout these
SX
OLP
Ive read on em, but dont know anyone whos actually played them.
[Jul 12,2008 12:19pm - blue ""]
SX is a line a part of the rondo family, basically their introductory models. I have an EX jazz bass, very solid for the 160 bucks i paid for it, although the neck isnt that hot. but then again, its a 4 string neck and i have a 5 string set on it tuned all assy. hah.
the OLPs are liscenced music man knockoffs. great guitars for the money as well. though be warned the quality control is all over the place, so definetly play before you buy. i played 3 different olps (same model) and 2 of them were worthless and one was an absolute gem.
[Jul 12,2008 12:25pm - powerkok ""]
cool, thanks. I went to a GC down here and asked the guitar guy how the OLP 4 string bass compared to the Ibanez, and got this as a response:
"Oh, it compares, mayan."
[Jul 12,2008 12:37pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
Agile is the rondo house brand. Sx is actually a whole independent line. They sell them in europe as well. The Douglass guitars are built by Saein guitars (pronounced "shine"). Agiles are 100% rondo's, so you can actually custom order anything you want from them.
SO far I have a brice bass, an agile guitar, have a douglass on the way, bought an SX for my nephew, and got an SX for an employee. They've all come fast, cheap, and they're nice guitars.
[Jul 12,2008 12:47pm - blue ""]
RONDO ALL UP IN YER INTERNETZ
[Jul 12,2008 2:00pm - Martins ""]
There must be other companies that sell wicked cheap guitars that aren't pieces of shit, though...right? I'm looking to drop maybe 200 at the end of the summer so I can have a guitar to keep in E standard for my rock ensemble at school while I try and build another one on the weekend.
[Jul 12,2008 11:21pm - Martins ""]
ArrowHeadNLI said:Agile is the rondo house brand. Sx is actually a whole independent line. They sell them in europe as well. The Douglass guitars are built by Saein guitars (pronounced "shine"). Agiles are 100% rondo's, so you can actually custom order anything you want from them.
SO far I have a brice bass, an agile guitar, have a douglass on the way, bought an SX for my nephew, and got an SX for an employee. They've all come fast, cheap, and they're nice guitars.
Are you the same ArrowHead that posts on the Agile forums? I've been lurking there a bit lately.
[Jul 13,2008 4:22pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
yeah, I've been posting on the Agile forums since Blue turned me on to Rondo.
sadly, that natural finish I posted is already sold out, but they have some black ones left.
[Jul 13,2008 4:43pm - Martins ""]
FUCK! I wanted to get that natural one so bad. Do you think he'll have some more up soon?
[Jul 13,2008 5:05pm - blue ""]
rondo does a lot of guitars in small runs. sometimes youll see returning models, sometimes you wont. that one i could see them doing another run of them.
[Jul 13,2008 6:48pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
since he sold out in a few DAYS, it's likely he'll order more. However, he only really gets around 4 shipments a year, so it may be a while before he gets more.
once he gets a shipmwnt, he seems to only put out a few at a time, so he might well have a few more he's waiting to put out.
[Jul 13,2008 9:32pm - brian_dc ""]
these guitars are so cheap I feel like I should just buy an Agile baritone just for the fuck of it
[Jul 13,2008 9:43pm - Nicc nli ""]
brian_dc said:these guitars are so cheap I feel like I should just buy an Agile baritone just for the fuck of it
I got the AB3500.
If you're into baritones rondo definately has the cheapest good quality ones.
[Jul 14,2008 3:14am - Martins ""]
I just need a guitar to keep in E standard that isn't total shit. Any recommendations? Doesn't need to be Rondo.
[Jul 14,2008 6:17am - blue ""]
the best suggestion however is still rondo.
[Jul 14,2008 9:39am - Martins ""]
balls in my anular cavity. Kay, I'll keep a look out. There was on a few pages later than the spad that was pretty cute!
[Jul 14,2008 10:15am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
With Rondo, make sure you hit that new items page often. He is known to post new shit a few guitars at a time throughout the week. That's how you catch the good guitars like that spad. Those got posted on Wed, and were sold out by the weekend.
[Jul 14,2008 10:17am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
DUDE, HAUL ASS!
http://www.rondomusic.com/product1990.html
He posted more natty spads!
[Jul 14,2008 10:20am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
Also note, Rondo has terrible photos. All his guitars tend to look 100 times better in person.
[Jul 14,2008 10:35am - GodlessRob ""]
I think this one is next for me
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[Jul 14,2008 10:54am - Martins ""]
Where's the new items page?
[Jul 14,2008 10:55am - Martins ""]
lul found it. I'm gonna buy the shit out of that Spad.
[Jul 14,2008 11:15am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
My next is likely going to be a custom order.
I want one of these, but lefty, and with different inlays. I might make some slight hardware changes too, but I think it looks great the way it is.
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[Jul 14,2008 11:21am - Martins ""]
That looks pretty fucking nice. I even like the headstock. I think I might stick with watching Rondo for a while now. At least, while I'm saving up for my eventual Parker.
[Jul 14,2008 11:45am - Martins ""]
Just ordered the natural Spad!
[Jul 14,2008 11:55am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
Congratulations! The best part is, his shipping takes 2 days, so you'll have it tomorrow or wednesday at the latest.
Now you'll just need some awesome cheap pickups to go with your awesome cheap guitar:
http://store.guitarfetish.com/humbuckers.html
I personally like the fat pats. They're indistinguishable from the Duncan JB in my jackson, but less than half the price. The crunchy rails are also pretty awesome. I've got a fat pat in the bridge and a crunchy rail in the neck on that les-paul copy. I ordered the opposite for my V that's coming, Rail in the bridge and Fat Pat in the neck.
[Jul 14,2008 12:31pm - Martins ""]
I was thinking of going a bit more expensive in pickups. Especially on the bridge. I realize that I'm not very happy with the X2N in my Schecter so I want something better than that thing. I'll check out that link anyway!
[Jul 14,2008 12:37pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
Unless by "more expensive" you mean active, the GFS are pretty awesome at any price. I was skeptical at first, but the Lil killers in my jackson sounded so amazing I replaced two other guitars with them. As I said, I paid $80 for my Duncan JB, and the $30 Fat Pat is the same pickup. Even the wiring is the same color, which made me a bit happy.
Just avoid the GFS pots and stuff. The pickups are really great. The pots, tuners, and tremolos are not so great.
[Jul 14,2008 12:41pm - Martins ""]
Well, by "more expensive" I mean high end/trustable quality. I suppose I could do my research on this Guitar Fetish stuff but I might be looking at something like a Super Distortion or something generally like that. This guitar probably won't be for metal so I don't need ridiculous output. I want something on the warm end but sensitive enough that I can still pinch and do harmonics with ease. I don't know much about pickups, it seems.
[Jul 14,2008 1:05pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
With the GFS PuPs, the Fat Pat is a Duncan JB. The Crunchy Pat is your dimarzio super distortion. I really endorse these PuPs. I was so mad when I bought that Duncan, and a week later bought a $30 pickup that was exactly the same sound.
[Jul 14,2008 1:09pm - xanonymousx ""]
where is this new items page you speak of, some of these guitars look nice.
[Jul 14,2008 1:10pm - Martins ""]
I'll take your word for it, then. I'll keep looking. I hope one day to own a guitar with Bareknuckle or APC pickups but I don't think I'd waste that money on this guitar just yet. Especially since I just ordered it about an hour and a half ago!
[Jul 14,2008 1:11pm - Martins ""]
http://www.rondomusic.com/newitems.html
I don't think it's newly updated however.
[Jul 14,2008 1:17pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
The new items page gets updated several times a day. Most people just don't notice.
It appears that he moved the spads off the new items page, not sure why. They're in the electric guitars list, but they're not in new items anymore.
Also, make it a point to go to the main site www.rondomusic.com and type "B Stock" in the search bar. When he DOES post them, they go fucking FAST. He'll knock like $100 off a guitar because of "light scratches on the pickguard".
I always check for B Stocks twice a day. That's how I just got that V for $99.
[Jul 14,2008 1:19pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
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Man, I'm so jealous. I wish there were a lefty of this. I'm actually almost as excited about YOUR new guitar as I am about MINE. LOL
[Jul 14,2008 1:19pm - xanonymousx ""]
thanks, i might have to check out either that V shape guitar or the one that looks like an SG
just because they are inexpensive. haha.
that one you ordered though seems to be one of the best there.
[Jul 14,2008 1:22pm - xanonymousx ""]
also those tele style guitars seem nice...
[Jul 14,2008 1:23pm - Martins ""]
Lol that natural Spad just looks so beautiful. Even if it ends up not being a great guitar, I will still own a looker. I'll still use it for Rock Ensemble at school, though. The other douchebag guitarist in the ensemble is a Les Paul fag. He sucks the Les Paul guitar dick and the Fender amp clit. He always talks about how his Les Paul hollowbody is the best guitar in the world and his Fender halfstack is priceless. Fuck that guy. I just spent 150 dollars for a fucking beautiful guitar. Haha.
Anyway, I can't wait to get this just to play a different guitar. I've been playing my Schecter for almost 8 years now. I haven't had another guitar besides acoustics since I first started playing guitar. My Schecter is a 25.5'' scale so I'm curious to play this smaller scale Spad.
[Jul 14,2008 1:24pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
xanonymousx said:
just because they are inexpensive. haha.
That's exactly how it starts. Then you get it and see that it's not really a "cheap" guitar. Then... addiction. I've bought 5 guitars from Rondo since february.
[Jul 14,2008 1:25pm - Martins ""]
xanonymousx said:also those tele style guitars seem nice...
I wouldn't mind dropping the $$ for those SX strats. They're probably shitty quality but they look so fucking pretty. I don't even like strats. Rondo Music has probably been the best find ever.
[Jul 14,2008 2:23pm - sever ""]
whoever discovered rondo music... thank you. no really, thank you. this is great.
[Jul 14,2008 2:25pm - brian_dc ""]
this is an incredibly dangerous site for me and my bank account
[Jul 14,2008 2:28pm - Martins ""]
Hahaha. You're telling me. I think I might buy a Septor 6 or a seven string from there in the next few months.
[Jul 14,2008 2:28pm - Martins ""]
And I just ordered that natural Spad today!
[Jul 14,2008 2:37pm - xanonymousx ""]
sever said:whoever discovered rondo music... thank you. no really, thank you. this is great.
yes but my bankaccount will soon be nothing... since i will be buying an amp, cab, effect pedals, recording equipment and now discounted guitars i'm gonna be broke... time to ask for that 60 hours a week at the abusement park...
i love being a broke college kid.
[Jul 14,2008 6:51pm - Hoser ""]
powerkok said:hahaha I still have the extra trem arm too.
Tell ya what Hoser babe, someone offers you tree bills before monday, take it. if not Ill give ya tree bills.
Arrow/Rob/Blue.....thx for the lo-down. I was checking those out a few months ago, and spec wise was impressed for the price. Glad to know theyre decent.
How bout these
SX
OLP
Ive read on em, but dont know anyone whos actually played them.
Well, she's yours if you want her. Tree bills plus shipping and I'll send her right out to ya.
[Jul 16,2008 1:16am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
Woo-HA! I've got my new guitar, and it's pointy as shit!
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The fretboard is a bit squeaky, but I've been oiling it up nicely and it's getting better. This thing needed A LOT of WORK. I'm not trying to scare you, martins, but the douglas is in NO WAY comparable to my Agile guitar. I had to swap PuPs, Polish all the frets, replace the input jack, and it could still use better tuners, pots, and bridge.
The good news is that it PLAYS now, it sounds killer, and it was cheap as fuck.
Sound Clip
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songI...fo.cfm?bandID=726882&songID=6722845
All on the bridge pickup. I've got a GFS Crunchy Rail in the bridge, and a GFS Fat PAT in the neck. I [heart] GFS pickups.
[Jul 16,2008 1:25am - Martins ""]
Well fuck. Now I'm scared.
Nah, I basically got it as a project guitar and if it takes some work...it takes some work. It will be at my doorstep tomorrow so I'll take some pictures of it then. I'm really excited. I'm sure the Douglas would be quality enough..........I hope.
I think that in the next few months I might throw down for a Septor 6 or 7. I've been wanting a 7 string but I'm not sure if I'm ready...know what I mean?
[Jul 16,2008 1:28am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
I expect pictures, soundclips, and a 1000 word essay. I want one of those spads, if they're quality. Otherwise I'm going to wait to see what's in the fall shipment.
[Jul 16,2008 1:30am - Martins ""]
From what GodlessRob says, it played readily after a small set up so I'm not too worried if my spad was in the same batch as his. I'm going to take another look at the GFS's but I was wondering if you could give me a small but more thorough review on them in general. I hate spending money on something I know not-enough about.
[Jul 16,2008 1:51am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
There's a sound clip right above^
Also, you can always email them at guitarfetish, they're really cool about helping people pick out pickups. Tell them what you want, and they'll suggest what models.
Also, here's a clip of a guitar using the opposite setup, a Fat PAT in the bridge and Cruncy Rail in the neck. Fat PAT is the same idea as a duncan JB.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songI...fo.cfm?bandID=726882&songID=6674111
[Jul 16,2008 1:59am - Martins ""]
Ya, I saw/heard the soundclip but I can't listen right now because my whole family is asleep. I'll check it in the morning and I think I'll email the guitarfetish guys. Thanks for all the help.
[Jul 16,2008 9:33am - joey umbrella ""]
well, i found the guitar i am getting, and it is a pretty sweet deal.
i decided to go with a fernandes monterey elite.. it has a sustainer system in the neck PU, so i think that will be fun, and allow me to broaden my sounds a bit.
i will attempt to post a pic of this shit...
thanks for all the ideas and help...
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[Jul 16,2008 12:20pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
Nice guitar. I like the color/finish.
[Jul 16,2008 1:15pm - Martins ""]
For that second sound clip with the Fat PAT in the bridge, how high do you have the gain set on your amp? I like the sound of Fat PAT a lot but I wonder what it would sound like in higher gain applications.
[Jul 16,2008 1:32pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
The gain is set high, but the volume on the guitar is cranked down for a lot of it. I can whip up a new clip for you later on some metal stuff.
[Jul 16,2008 1:47pm - xanonymousx ""]
the fernandes is a sweet guitar but if you got that for $100 whomever sold that to you has a few screws loose.
[Jul 16,2008 1:53pm - Joshtruction ""]
I've been thinking of selling my jap soloist, but I always smarten up before I do.
[Jul 16,2008 2:48pm - Martins ""]
I got the Douglas about an hour ago. It's beautiful. I took some pictures and I'm gonna set it up later and play a bunch... but it looks like the construction is pretty sturdy.
I just found out that my Schecter is set-neck construction as well when I emailed Schecter. All these years I thought I was playing a neck-through. Oh well. I'm really excited for this Douglas and I have a feeling it's going to sound better than my Schecter.
[Jul 16,2008 2:49pm - Martins ""]
It's also extremely light.
[Jul 16,2008 2:53pm - joey umbrella ""]
i got the fernandes for $400 w/case. i felt like it was well worth it, but now i need to sell a kidney
[Jul 16,2008 2:54pm - powerkok ""]
Hoser, I wont be able to buy that from you yet.
I have to get a handgun, as looters may breach my moat, and fjord the montana home.
What I can do, is either
a) wait till next month
or
b) trade you my Mossy 3 1/2 inch Mag 12 guage in HD Mossy Oak, with thumbhole stock, and wide foregrip.
You were there with me when I bought it, you know what it goes for, and the overall jist.
Up to you.
[Jul 16,2008 3:01pm - powerkok ""]
That Agile AL2000 in Tiger eye, really intrigued me.
The FSB also is real nice lookin.
What Im wondering is this:
They say the al2000 are REAL maple tops.
Im aware of the diff between caps, and veneers, and photo tops.
But then on the al3000 they say REAL maple cap, not a photo top.
So which is it on the 2000? a photo top or a veneer?
[Jul 16,2008 3:05pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
no photo tops, all are real caps, just different thicknesses.
[Jul 16,2008 3:06pm - powerkok ""]
Roger that, thanks man.
[Jul 16,2008 3:35pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
theres a chart comparing the different AL models, I can post it when i'm home
[Jul 16,2008 4:07pm - powerkok ""]
thatd be greatly appreciated, dude.
Im talking my wife into getting one of these for my daughters b-day in a couple weeks, so maybe I can sneak my own order in there.
[Jul 16,2008 4:52pm - powerkok ""]
Arrowhead, nevermind, I found the chart, thanks anyway tho.
[Jul 16,2008 7:57pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
Martins, here's that clip of the Fat Pats. The first time through each riff is a Seymour Duncan JB pickup. The second time through each riff is the GFS Fat PAT.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songI...fo.cfm?bandID=726882&songID=6724962
[Jul 16,2008 7:59pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
And heres that chart comparing model specs for the AL series.
http://www.rondomusic.com/alspec.html
[Jul 16,2008 9:18pm - powerkok ""]
Wow, the second part of each riff sounds super inexpensive!!
LULZ
Actually I do hear a difference, but not a 600 dollar difference,
Id say the Jackson sounds a bit fatter, maybe like 35 dollars fatter tho.
[Jul 16,2008 9:53pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
The jackson has a little more low end, and the gfs have a more aggressive midrange. At a difference of $50 each, it's not really much difference though, eh?
[Jul 16,2008 10:09pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
Oh, for the record I should mention: Besides the different guitars/wood/etc... the Jackson is wired without a tone circuit. The Agile is wired normally.
[Jul 16,2008 10:27pm - powerkok ""]
Not much diff at all.
No tone circuit=tone at 10, correct? So that shouldnt make much diff. Splittin hairs, only one hair is 1200 and one is 200. Crazy.
Im sold.
I been reading the shit outta that site. Pretty fuckin impressive. If I didnt own some 'nice' guitars already, I might feel a little weird about buying one of these, but I do own 3 'nice' guitars already, so fuck it.
That tiger eye is eyeing me.
Im having a more difficult time choosing my daughters tho.
I like the no-nonsense of the lp jr copy, but want a humbucker instead of the p90.
Dont want her to have a trem, as I feel it distracts a LEARNING guitarist, and am concerned that the weight of the lp may be too much for her.(shes turning 13) so, any suggestions? I am a firm believer in dues, and paying them early, to give a strong foundation for later, in anything, but especially music, so nothing too fancy.
[Jul 16,2008 10:30pm - powerkok ""]
oops post x2
[Jul 16,2008 10:47pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
I bought my nephew the SX short scale strat off the first page. I just held onto the trem bar, so it's essentially a fixed bridge til I decide he can handle a whammy without snapping off all his strings playing "guitar hero". If you want her to have a bucker, that natty spad that martins just bought is pretty awesome. It's essentially a schecter blackjack for $150.
[Jul 16,2008 10:48pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
no tone circuit = tone at 10+. Just having the circuit there, even dialed to 10, tapers off a little top end.
[Jul 16,2008 11:14pm - powerkok ""]
Ya that Spad is real nice.
Maybe even too nice for a first guitar, but I will strongly consider it.
Thanks a lot for all yer help Arrow....and I just noticed that youre sign in name is NLI.
LULLIGANS!!
[Jul 16,2008 11:24pm - xanonymousx ""]
when you guys set up what does that mean... i forget
haha i know i had my guitars set up by someone else.
[Jul 16,2008 11:39pm - powerkok ""]
intonation, action, relief, pickup height, tighten screws, etc.
[Jul 16,2008 11:46pm - brian_dc ""]
I really want this guitar but do not have sufficient funds
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[Jul 16,2008 11:47pm - brian_dc ""]
holy shit huge pic
um....I'm leaving it
[Jul 17,2008 2:04am - Martins ""]
ArrowHeadNLI said:Martins, here's that clip of the Fat Pats. The first time through each riff is a Seymour Duncan JB pickup. The second time through each riff is the GFS Fat PAT.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songI...fo.cfm?bandID=726882&songID=6724962
Holy shit. There's like no difference. I think I might go with the Fat PAT in the bridge...but what should I go for if I want a warmer sounding neck?
Question for you. You seem like you would know. I haven't looked at how to wire a pickup since I did my Schecter almost two years ago. If I wanted to wire the tone knob out, would I just solder the two wires that would have been for the tone knob together?
I think I want to do that and then move the volume pot down to where the tone knob is now and just leave the tone knob on connected to a pot that isn't in use.
[Jul 17,2008 2:08am - Martins ""]
brian_dc (nice name I myself am a Brian), that guitar looks pretty nice. I love the look of natty's but i FUCKING HATE THAT NECK. I had to say it. Maple fretboards are one of the ugliest things to happen to guitars. I just can't stand them. Maple neck okay...though I'd prefer a darker wood...but stay away from my fretboard!!
[Jul 17,2008 2:21am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
Yeah, I just wired up the scheme from the seymour duncan site for three humbuckers (1 HB and 2 stacked rails) with a push pull, and left out the tone circuit.
[Jul 17,2008 2:22am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
Wheres pics of that natty spad?
[Jul 17,2008 2:22am - Martins ""]
So I would just solder the two wires together instead of hook them to the tone pot?
Also which is supposed to give the brighter sound: higher resistance pots or lower resistance pots?
[Jul 17,2008 2:31am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
You just don't wire the tone pot. The wires on the tone pot is a hot from the volume pot and the output, I believe. It's late, don't hold me to it. I'm pretty much a dumbass unless I download a schematic.
[Jul 17,2008 2:34am - Martins ""]
Wait lol. You're probably right. I'll check out a wiring diagram and figure it out. It's late and I'm drunk on roxicet.
[Jul 17,2008 2:35am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
Tomorrow I'll find the actual schematic I used and scan it if I can.
[Jul 17,2008 2:37am - Martins ""]
I'm looking at a wiring diagram for my Schecter and the tone pot is wired to each pickup by a red wire for each.
[Jul 17,2008 7:25am - brian_dc ""]
Martins said:brian_dc (nice name I myself am a Brian), that guitar looks pretty nice. I love the look of natty's but i FUCKING HATE THAT NECK. I had to say it. Maple fretboards are one of the ugliest things to happen to guitars. I just can't stand them. Maple neck okay...though I'd prefer a darker wood...but stay away from my fretboard!!
Different strokes, I suppose. I love the maple neck. And a maple neck on a Les Paul style guitar is such a different look, it's one of the things that attached me to this guitar.
I played one awhile back and loved it but forgot what the hell model it was called....probably on purpose since I was hell bent on a new amp Then recently I noticed Sacha from Intronaut playing one. He posts on Lambgoat so I was able to ask him what model it was...and now my obsession has rekindled...the end
[Jul 17,2008 10:17pm - powerkok ""]
I ordered a Douglas Shadow (csb) for the kiddo. Its alder so its a bit lighter, and for the price, is a SWEET first electric.
I also could not resist getting the Agile AL-2000 tiger eye.
Now It needs to get here so I can get off that damn website for a few days!! hahaha.
I cant link pics on ps3 (gay) but Two sweet looking and hopefully playing, Les Pauls, shipped, for $349!!!
WHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT????????
[Jul 17,2008 10:31pm - Martins ""]
Haha. I hate the look of those Les Paul styles. I don't know what it is but the fat body and pick guard really turn me off. My next guitar from them will be the Septor 6 or an Interceptor 7 string. I'm really surprised by the decent quality of this Douglas so I'd definitely be interested in seeing the quality of an Agile.
Here are some pics of my Douglas.
http://s342.photobucket.com/albums/o432/gtrbmart/Douglas%20Natural%20Spad/
[Jul 17,2008 10:36pm - powerkok ""]
Nice, I will check them out.
hahaha 10 years ago I wouldve agreed 100%, but I have owned almost every shape of guitar there is, and never a LP, so this is a good choice for myself.
How many days did it take to get to you, and where do they ship from?
[Jul 17,2008 10:37pm - archaeon ""]
haha i was wondering why my guitar stand was there!
[Jul 17,2008 10:38pm - powerkok ""]
OH BTW...theres a septor 7 string in bstock for 499 I think.
But its purple.
says it has a 1/4 inch chip on the upper back.
[Jul 17,2008 11:06pm - Martins ""]
Yeah I saw that but I can't throw down that money right now. I need to do all the mods to this one first. If I buy a seven string it will be after my family forgets that I bought a guitar. (They take my money very seriously.)
Anyway, they ship from New Jersey I think. It took 2 and a half days for them to ship. Once you get the UPS tracking number it's about a day away. Well maybe two days for you.
[Jul 18,2008 1:55am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
They ship from NH. They used to be in NJ, but they moved a while back.
I'm glad your guitar is nice, I can definitely understand wanting to mod it out and swap hardware. That's the beauty of this price range, a lot of alterations we'd normally avoid become affordable. I can NEVER stand to leave a guitar 100% original.
[Jul 18,2008 2:06am - Martins ""]
Ya, I'm pretty happy. I'm putting new strings on it tomorrow and I think I'm going to order the pickups as well. What would you say to a fat PAT in both the bridge and the neck?
[Jul 18,2008 6:24am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
That would sound pretty good. I've got a Fat PAT in the neck of my V, it sounds good.
[Jul 18,2008 3:25pm - Martins ""]
Well I ordered two Fat Pats with the chrome cover plate and all the hardware except for mounting rings. Now I just need to find reasonably priced chrome tuning machines and mounting rings!
Oh I went 1-meg ohms with the volume pot. I can't wait to hear how bright it's going to be because this guitar is pretty damn warm sounding. Almost too warm.
[Jul 18,2008 4:19pm - Frank Shamrock ""]
These Rondo guitars have me intrigued. Curious guys, how would you compare these DFS pickups to say an EMG81... I'm thinking of building some crunchy shred machines out of an Agile or Douglas. These guitars almost seem too good to be true.
[Jul 18,2008 4:25pm - Martins ""]
My experience around EMG pickups (I've never owned any or really spent time messing around on them) isn't the best. I just never liked them. OMG CHECK OUT MY WICKED OUTPUT AND SHIT. Oh, okay.
[Jul 18,2008 5:08pm - blue ""]
exactly, ive never had a use for ultra high output. i use high gain amps as it is, why the flying fuck would i want all of that compression? oh yeah cus i play sikkkkkkkk metal and for some reason i think that its the only thing that i could possibly use.
[Jul 18,2008 6:20pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
Martins said:Well I ordered two Fat Pats with the chrome cover plate and all the hardware except for mounting rings. Now I just need to find reasonably priced chrome tuning machines and mounting rings!
DOH! They sell really cheap tuners and chrome rings at guitarfetish, dude. I just ordered black tuners, bridge and tail for my paul, as well as chrome rings.
[Jul 18,2008 6:21pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
EMG's are gay, they don't even make zebras. ;)
[Jul 18,2008 11:21pm - Martins ""]
Lul. After you told me that some of the other stuff they sell there was fishy, I just didn't look at any of the other sections. Lol sweet <3 I can't wait to start modding this guitar when all the stuff comes next week!
[Jul 18,2008 11:22pm - powerkok ""]
EMG 81 has great attack.
Its for metal. thats all, their 'tone' is pretty horrible for anything else.
But they rule for chugga riffs.
You guys are just JB sluts!!
Keene NH UPS destination scan 25 hours after I ordered. Thats fuckin fast.
[Jul 18,2008 11:46pm - Martins ""]
I'm not even a Seymour Duncan kinda guy. I have DiMarzios in my Schecter. This will be my second experience with non-stock pickups and I can't wait because I'm a nerd and shit.
Oh and if EMG 81 is metal and all metal is gay then all EMG 81's are gay.
[Jul 19,2008 12:22am - Joshtruction ""]
I use dimarzio X2N's in the bridge. Mega high output and very very low noise. That means they did something right! Sounds killer too.
I am debating on selling one of my soloist to help pay for the shit I am doing with NEDF. Killing me and crunch time is here!
[Jul 19,2008 2:20am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
My main guitar for 15 years or so has an 81 and an 85 in it. I was never all that impressed with them, but since it was all I knew I never knew WHY.
After I popped a JB into my jackson, and started playing with all these other options I'll never use an active pickup again. It's like all these modern albums: You get a way WAY hotter signal, but at the expense of all the wonderful dynamic range.
Now, I really see NO difference between using EMGs and just sticking a compression pedal in front of your amp. I'm going to refrain from doing either.
[Jul 19,2008 2:35am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
Martins, here's the one I got all the hardware from GFS. The PG is from greasygroove, and the knobs are sweetwater. Everything else is from GFS.
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[Jul 19,2008 7:55am - blue ""]
ArrowHeadNLI said:My main guitar for 15 years or so has an 81 and an 85 in it. I was never all that impressed with them, but since it was all I knew I never knew WHY.
After I popped a JB into my jackson, and started playing with all these other options I'll never use an active pickup again. It's like all these modern albums: You get a way WAY hotter signal, but at the expense of all the wonderful dynamic range.
Now, I really see NO difference between using EMGs and just sticking a compression pedal in front of your amp. I'm going to refrain from doing either.
thank you. 9 times out of 10 people use EMGs just cus its what everyone uses for metal. different guitars = different pickups. why cheat yourself on tone and just cram the same thing in every guitar?
[Jul 19,2008 10:03am - Martins ""]
Joshtruction said:I use dimarzio X2N's in the bridge. Mega high output and very very low noise. That means they did something right! Sounds killer too.
I have an X2N in my Schecter's bridge and I definitely don't know what you're talking about low noise haha. That thing has a higher output than Mark Richard's mom and I always get feedback. Even through low gain Fenders amps. At least it's not microphonic. It's a pretty good pickup but it lacks a lot of dynamics. It picks up everything you do but it's not necessarily warm or necessarily bright...it's just there.
Which is why I'm excited to get the Fat PATs if they're anything like what ArrowHead is saying.
[Jul 19,2008 12:09pm - Joshtruction ""]
interesting. I never get any feedback. Thats what I mean by quiet. I really have to provoke my guitar to get feedback.
If you wanna be a pick up snob I suggest bare knuckle pick ups. amazing but real expensive.
[Jul 19,2008 12:24pm - NoodleFace ""]
If you want something better than BKPs you could try Lundgrens too, I think they're $300-400 per pickup.
Personally I've had a ton of different pickups. I mainly use Dimarzio's now but that's because of the woods in most of my guitars. I had EMGs once and they were alright, I just didn't like what they did to my tone. Can definitely see why people use them though.
[Jul 19,2008 12:27pm - Joshtruction ""]
I remember for like a week straight you loved EMG's, then you plugged back into your passive guitar and never went back haha. I am still not convinced Lungrens are better than BKP.
[Jul 19,2008 6:03pm - Martins ""]
I've heard a lot about Bare Knuckle and one day I will own a guitar with a pair in them. I've been hearing even more about APC (Adder Plus C...ompany?) pickups and I'm curious to hear more about those.
[Jul 19,2008 6:24pm - blue ""]
id like to eventually try a BK holy diver and an adder plus persuader custom. but itll be a long time until i spend anything over $70 for a pickup.
[Jul 19,2008 6:29pm - Martins ""]
blue said:itll be a long time until i spend anything over $70 for a pickup.
[Jul 19,2008 6:30pm - Martins ""]
Just spent 70 on a pair of Fat PATs. Ain't no thang.
[Jul 19,2008 6:38pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
blue said:itll be a long time until i spend anything over $30 for a pickup.
Fixed
[Jul 19,2008 7:01pm - xanonymousx ""]
i can't believe gibson and fender and shit haven't stopped rondo from selling shit....
didn't gibson get rid of PRS's single cutback back in the day?
and the pickups are the same as these other companies probably cause its the 'market basket brand' so you get more for your dollar.
[Jul 19,2008 7:57pm - Martins ""]
Honestly the pickups that came with my $150 aren't that bad. Clearly they could be way better but they do the job and the guitar already doesn't sound bad.
And there are Gibson and Fender copies made everywhere. It's not like Rondo is anything special for that. It's not like they're slapping the Gibson or Fender name on there.
[Jul 19,2008 8:00pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
Rondo has had to alter many guitars already because of trademark issues. The curve on the valkyrie is a little different than the SG, the AL series horns and headstocks had to be altered (for looking too much like gibson), etc....
He currently is changing the headstock on the SX strats because they look too much like fenders.
[Jul 20,2008 10:49pm - powerkok ""]
My shits still in Keene!
Cmon muthafukkis!!
[Jul 20,2008 10:52pm - powerkok ""]
Im gettin the 'green' kluson deluxe tuner copies, and either an alnico 5 or 498t from gfs. Fuckin 55 bucks . HAHAHAHA.
[Jul 20,2008 11:11pm - Martins ""]
brutal.
[Jul 20,2008 11:15pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
powerkok said:My shits still in Keene!
Cmon muthafukkis!!
They don't ship on saturday/sunday. This isn't fedex, man. Goodies come tomorrow.
[Jul 20,2008 11:34pm - Martins ""]
ArrowHeadNLI said:Martins, here's the one I got all the hardware from GFS. The PG is from greasygroove, and the knobs are sweetwater. Everything else is from GFS.
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Woah, just saw this.
Actually I have a question. GFS sells the mounting rings but doesn't have staggered height ones in chrome. The Douglas has staggered height mounts on it now. This is more just out of curiosity because I'm just going to go to a local store and pickup the rings...but would it matter if I were to put just the flat level ones on a guitar that comes with staggered height ones from the factory? Would the pickup just be angled weird?
[Jul 20,2008 11:43pm - blue ""]
your bridge pickup might just ending up sitting lower than normal. nothing some adjustments shouldnt handle.
[Jul 20,2008 11:53pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
that's the flat chromes above. Exactly as blue said, you'll just have your bridge PUP sticking way up. You also may need to bend the rings a little to fit your body.
[Jul 21,2008 12:20am - Martins ""]
Ah, it just looks like the strings are right parallel to the pickup right now and I just figured flat would make it angle towards the bridge instead of straight up towards the strings.
Hmm, I'll take your word for it but I'm probably still going to go to my local place because I won't have to pay for shipping!
[Jul 21,2008 8:30am - powerkok ""]
Hahtfuhd ct, as of tree:45 am!
[Jul 21,2008 2:04pm - NoodleFace ""]
Looking to buy a new guitar myself. Trying to decide between another ESP M-II or an Ibanez RG550. Not sure what I want.
[Jul 21,2008 3:15pm - Joshtruction ""]
I am thinking about trading some guitars for PA gear.
[Jul 21,2008 6:13pm - powerkok ""]
Noodle, check out the RGT42 from Ibanez the fm or dxfm are both rock solid for a Ibanez.
Pretty sure theyre discontinued, so check ebay and the whatnots.
[Jul 21,2008 6:18pm - powerkok ""]
damn it.
3:45 pm and its only in EBF Pennsylvania? From Hartfuhd at 3:45 am?
Whos driving that van, Stephen Hawkings?
[Jul 21,2008 10:13pm - Martins ""]
Yes, Stephen Hawking.
[Jul 21,2008 11:26pm - NoodleFace ""]
Playd the RGT42's when they came out, wasn't really a fan. Big fan of the oldschool ibanez
[Jul 22,2008 5:13pm - powerkok ""]
These fuckers arent going to get here till thursday! Bullshit.
Shenanigans, bulldodgery, hoopla, etc.
Shipping is fast to the NE, but anywhere south of PA, forget it, its like getting a handjob from Bea Arthur, itll get there, but what the fuck is taking so long!?
[Jul 22,2008 6:41pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
Oh shit, I forgot you moved.
It's ground shipping, it's gonna take up to 6 days. Sorry. I thought you lived up here still, that's why I implied 2 days.
[Jul 22,2008 10:19pm - powerkok ""]
nah I figured itd be at least 5 days, but I just watch it sit, on the tracking site. Instead of them being in a van, bringing me stuff.
I also would have accepted horsefuckers.