Why are we afraid to ask why school shootings happen?
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[Sep 25,2008 2:25pm - Conservationist ""]
While some school shooters are delusional, and usually seek the attention, others like Jeff Weisse, Pekka-Eric Auvinen and now Matti Saari are of the ideological type, attempting to communicate through mass death what could not be said in words, because words can be ignored if inconvenient to the listener.
In essence, our society has decayed so far that we have created an alternate reality in which we operate as if it were reality, composed of our institutions and public opinions. Reality itself remains far away, doubly so because it is often complex and does not make a good sound bite, election slogan, advertising jingle or hip new saying to impress our friends.
Scientists Would Analayze School Shootings, Not Judge Them; Why Don't We? by Brett Stevens
It's too hard for us to say "school is conformity camp, and since most people are morons, nothing ever gets fixed."
[Sep 25,2008 2:29pm - aril ""]
welcome back
[Sep 25,2008 2:55pm - Paul CNV ""]
School shootings make for good entertainment!!! Get your popcorn and soda pop, pull up a seat and watch it go!!! God bless em'
[Sep 25,2008 3:01pm - Paul CNV ""]
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God bless em'
[Sep 25,2008 3:43pm - ouchdrummer ""]
Conservationist-
well, school is conformity camp.. but thats besides the point.
Why do you believe he did it (finland)? Seriously though, you know i have an open mind, so let me know what your personally thinkin. I'm interested to know, i usaully enjoy, sometimes agree with your opinions, i honestly don't really know what your saying here though.
[Sep 25,2008 4:11pm - thuringwethil ""]
copy and paste, repeat
[Sep 25,2008 4:38pm - ouchdrummer ""]
thuringwethil said:copy and paste, repeat
well, i may not agree with everything he says, but i don't think he just copies and pastes. at least i hope not. That would be disappointing.
[Sep 25,2008 8:14pm - Conservationist ""]
ouchdrummer said:Why do you believe he did it (finland)?
Good question. I think the article which was quoted tells the story well -- in a syllogism:
1. Society is headed toward third world status because it has no epic goals, therefore it is just feed yourself and buy shit, an empty life that rewards empty people. They breed more drones.
2. Most people are too apathetic/stupid to do anything, aaaaand our political systems require that they do for change. Additionally, our Controllers encourage them not to.
3. -- The individual chooses not to live in this world, and figures, let's make the suicide worth it, and take out some drones.
That's what I think he was thinking.
Thuringwethil: I wrote the original article. I have no problem alerting others to its presence. Posting "copy and paste" into a thread is a generic threadkiller, and I'd think you can do better than that. Read the article and post a reply, or I'm going to assume that you copy and pasted the phrase "copy and paste" and pasted it into this thread.
[Sep 25,2008 8:43pm - ThirdKnuckle ""]
copy and pasted the phrase "copy and paste" and pasted it into this thread copy and pasted the phrase "copy and paste" and pasted it into this thread.
[Sep 25,2008 9:06pm - thuringwethil ""]
haha
thanks for the reinforcement
nyuck-nyuck
[Sep 26,2008 8:16am - ouchdrummer ""]
Conservationist said:
ouchdrummer said:Why do you believe he did it (finland)?
Good question. I think the article which was quoted tells the story well -- in a syllogism:
1. Society is headed toward third world status because it has no epic goals, therefore it is just feed yourself and buy shit, an empty life that rewards empty people. They breed more drones.
2. Most people are too apathetic/stupid to do anything, aaaaand our political systems require that they do for change. Additionally, our Controllers encourage them not to.
3. -- The individual chooses not to live in this world, and figures, let's make the suicide worth it, and take out some drones.
That's what I think he was thinking.
Thuringwethil: I wrote the original article. I have no problem alerting others to its presence. Posting "copy and paste" into a thread is a generic threadkiller, and I'd think you can do better than that. Read the article and post a reply, or I'm going to assume that you copy and pasted the phrase "copy and paste" and pasted it into this thread.
-how would you propose, on a large scale, the world does anything to make this change. Or do you believe it has gone too far and cannot be repaired?
[Sep 26,2008 9:14am - sxealex balblablflbaldbfd ""]
while i dont disagree with this article the 2nd paragraph contradicts the conclusion
[Sep 26,2008 9:17am - sxealex balblablflbaldbfd ""]
paragraph 2 says they are not all craving attention... but they are... we just need to find out why and not dismiss it as insane or childish straight off the bat. society is programmed to be hasty to avoid uncertainty.
[Sep 26,2008 9:27am - darkwor ""]
Crimes like school shootings have happened since we could walk on two feet, and every type of society breeds a killer. It's not that surprising that this happened. In a conformity camp like high school, under the umbrella of a "developed" society, I wonder why it doesn't happen more. Who remembers high school? It's a popularity contest and nothing more, you could play the game or not. You were rewarded for your apathy. Perfect preparation for the Real World.
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(Finnish kid who shot up a school last Nov.)
This kid snapped because he's an idiot. I'm not going to blame parents, the media, or entertainment. He saw that..well..humanity was overrated because he had no friends and no girls liked him, because he was an idiot, so he had this epiphany that humans in modern societies are no more than drones. Those who didn't follow the masses made their own groups and conformed to those. So he didn't have the balls to face life anymore, make the best of it, rise above the drones, formulate long-term goals, so he wanted to break the cycle and take out a few drones with him. He didn't fight for anything, no cause, nothing. He could have killed someone that would have went on to invent a light-speed engine or something. Asshole.
[Sep 26,2008 9:42am - Mikeofdecrepitude ""]
The students who shoot up schools are the mind controlled victims of a shadowy government conspiracy. When people fall victim to gun violence on a mass scale, it provides the Federal government with more ammunition to push for stricter gun control laws. Inevitably this is leading to the abolishment of the 2nd amendment in order to disarm all citizens. Only state and federal law enforcement, plus the military will have the right to bear arms. Wake up people!
[Sep 26,2008 9:57am - darkwor ""]
hahah...if the government tries to abolish any part of the bill of rights, i'll be one of the millions to storm washington, maybe that's the wake up call we need..
but there is something in the tap water in finland. i couldn't stop drinking it. it's the best damn water in the world. there HAS to be something in it.
[Sep 26,2008 9:58am - ouchdrummer ""]
darkwor said:Crimes like school shootings have happened since we could walk on two feet, and every type of society breeds a killer. It's not that surprising that this happened. In a conformity camp like high school, under the umbrella of a "developed" society, I wonder why it doesn't happen more. Who remembers high school? It's a popularity contest and nothing more, you could play the game or not. You were rewarded for your apathy. Perfect preparation for the Real World.
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(Finnish kid who shot up a school last Nov.)
This kid snapped because he's an idiot. I'm not going to blame parents, the media, or entertainment. He saw that..well..humanity was overrated because he had no friends and no girls liked him, because he was an idiot, so he had this epiphany that humans in modern societies are no more than drones. Those who didn't follow the masses made their own groups and conformed to those. So he didn't have the balls to face life anymore, make the best of it, rise above the drones, formulate long-term goals, so he wanted to break the cycle and take out a few drones with him. He didn't fight for anything, no cause, nothing. He could have killed someone that would have went on to invent a light-speed engine or something. Asshole.
Well said John. You articulate fucker. (irony) Whats your email, you snazzy mofo. (i will be on conference calls all day)
[Sep 26,2008 10:04am - darkwor ""]
jgaucher@gmail.com
bring it on spam, you can't make it past google spam detection
[Sep 26,2008 10:38am - Yeti ""]
Mikeofdecrepitude said:plus the military will have the right to bear arms. Wake up people!
just miles from your doorstep hundreds of men are given weapons and trained to kill. the government calls it the "Army", but a more alarmist name would be....THE KILLBOT FACTORY!
[Sep 26,2008 11:23am - Conservationist ""]
ouchdrummer said:-how would you propose, on a large scale, the world does anything to make this change. Or do you believe it has gone too far and cannot be repaired?
I believe in two fundamental changes:
1. Changes in attitude from negative (reductive) to positive (deductive-inductive) reasoning.
2. Return of an aristocracy, or "rule of the best" as the term means in Greek, and an end to picking leaders morally or by popularity.
That's about it
[Sep 26,2008 11:24am - Conservationist ""]
darkwor said:In a conformity camp like high school, under the umbrella of a "developed" society, I wonder why it doesn't happen more. Who remembers high school? It's a popularity contest and nothing more, you could play the game or not. You were rewarded for your apathy. Perfect preparation for the Real World.
He saw that..well..humanity was overrated because he had no friends and no girls liked him, because he was an idiot, so he had this epiphany that humans in modern societies are no more than drones. Those who didn't follow the masses made their own groups and conformed to those. So he didn't have the balls to face life anymore, make the best of it, rise above the drones, formulate long-term goals, so he wanted to break the cycle and take out a few drones with him.
I think that's a pretty good summary right there.
[Sep 26,2008 12:08pm - ouchdrummer ""]
yeah, jons a smart fuckin khed guy.
[Sep 26,2008 12:46pm - Yeti ""]
i'm pretty sure that every unpopular person thought about slaughtering everyone they didn't like in school. people need to stop being pussies just because they don't have enough people to fill their "Top 8" on the gayspace.