Daily "Race is Not a Social Construct" Reminder[views:2265][posts:26]__________________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 10:46am - Conservationist ""] This article shows us that multi-racial patients need bone marrow from multi-racial donors because different races have different antigens, and when you mix races, you create a unique group of antigens needed. So then you need another member of this new mixed race to donate, and only about a quarter of patients are able to find a match. Why is it that interpretations of science are clearly divided -- those who are biological determinists tend to be old-school conservative, or realists, while those who are either liberal or Christian fundamentalist demand we deny biology for symbolic convenience? Race -- a concept used without definition in media, politics and daily conversation -- is misunderstood to be skin color and national identity, not a branching of evolution's process, which is both parallel and linear. http://penetrate.blogspot.com/2008/10/bone-marrow-is-racist.html |
| ________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 11:04am - rbss ""] I do not understand why you are so obsessed with race. It's so boring. |
| ________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 11:33am - yummy ""] October 17, 2007 Who says Barack Obama doesn't have what it takes to be president? Turns out, he's a distant cousin of both Dick Cheney and George Bush. The vice president's wife, Lynne Cheney, announced her discovery yesterday while hawking her new book, "Blue Skies, No Fences," on MSNBC. When asked if she would support Hillary Rodham Clinton because she is a woman, Lynne Cheney said, "I have to admit to a certain bias here . . . Dick and Barack Obama are eighth cousins." Mrs. Cheney said that it was "an amazing American story that one ancestor . . . could be responsible down the family line for lives that have taken such different and varied paths." Then asked if she supported Obama she quickly said, "No." Obama's camp made light of the family ties. "Every family has a black sheep," said spokeswoman Jen Psaki, with tongue firmly planted in cheek. The Chicago Sun-Times revealed the genealogical link in early September, claiming that the shared ancestors were Mareen and Susannah Duvall, 17th century immigrants from France. The newspaper, however, claimed that the senator from Illinois and the vice president were 11th cousins. The Duvalls are Obama's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents, and Cheney's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents, the paper said. George W. Bush and Obama, meanwhile, are 10th cousins once removed - linked through a 17th century Massachusetts couple, Samuel Hinckley and Sarah Soole, according to the Sun-Times. Haha, that's just rediculous right there. |
| __________________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 11:42am - Conservationist ""] rbss said:I do not understand why you are so obsessed with race. Am I? Or is that your wishful, delusional thinking? |
| ________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 11:46am - aril ""] I'm just going to stick to my plan about possibly cloning Neanderthals someday. I've had enough of Homo Sapiens Sapiens. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 11:55am - darkwor ""] Race -- a concept used without definition in media, politics and daily conversation -- is misunderstood to be skin color and national identity, not a branching of evolution's process, which is both parallel and linear. this is a fact. a product of early human migration. i know this. thanks for the reminder. |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 12:41pm - ouchdrummer ""] Conservationist said: rbss said:I do not understand why you are so obsessed with race. Am I? Or is that your wishful, delusional thinking? While i agree, and SCIENTISTS agree, that there are obvious differences between races, they are minute, and do not legitimize your obsession with justifying your racial bigotry. sorry to say sir.. but you are. (obsessed, that is) Otherwise why would you start entire threads (on a regular basis i may add) about how differences between races really exist? Maybe where you are (texas i think?) there are more social problems that you chalk up to race (cue long list...). or whatever.... Whatever it is, you do in fact have an obsession with race. And you will not pull me further into this conversation with some pseudo intellectual copy/paste banter explaining why your not obsessed by asking theoretical questions that are intended to look thought provoking but really are just a silly guise for your racism. haha, suck it. |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 12:44pm - ouchdrummer ""] wasn't trying to be TO mean/hurtful there, just wanted to make it clear that i know where you stand. |
| ________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 12:49pm - rbss ""] Conservationist said: rbss said:I do not understand why you are so obsessed with race. Am I? Or is that your wishful, delusional thinking? Eh I dunno, I don't really care what you think or have any wishes for what you might think. It just seems that you think about it a LOT based on your posts on this board. |
| __________________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 12:53pm - Conservationist ""] rbss said:It just seems that you think about it a LOT based on your posts on this board. Mentioning it is "thinking about it a lot"? Why, it's one of the major issues of our time. You shouldn't let fear get in the way of exploring those. |
| __________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 1:01pm - darkwor ""] i think he's making it an issue where it isn't. i know that, while taking into account that all races and traits are subject to a bell curve, blacks dominate professional sports, and east asians have the highest IQs. facts. great. now what? the world is globalizing. our society is now multicultural, and you can argue all day about how a mixed society is bad for progress, identity, or whatever, and i'd agree with you and the evidence to support that, but this is the new way of the world. evolution has been and will be stagnant for a long time. if you choose to breed, do it with a black chick and get the best of both worlds. ADAPT. |
| _______________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 1:51pm - thuringwethil ""] gyad, FINALLY. |
| _________________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 1:52pm - Conservationist ""] darkwor said:ADAPT. This is the dumbest thing I've read here in some time. You adapt to inherent characteristics of your environment; you don't adapt to the stupid logic of other humans. You fight it. You're basically asking us to accept stupidity "because those other kids are doing it." Did someone snip off your testicles? |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 1:53pm - ouchdrummer ""] Conservationist said: darkwor said:ADAPT. This is the dumbest thing I've read here in some time. You adapt to inherent characteristics of your environment; you don't adapt to the stupid logic of other humans. You fight it. You're basically asking us to accept stupidity "because those other kids are doing it." Did someone snip off your testicles? i don't think you quite gripped what he was saying. |
| _________________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 1:55pm - Conservationist ""] Please explain. |
| __________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 2:30pm - darkwor ""] you just said it yourself. multiculture = stupid logic of other humans. ADAPT, because bigotry is obsolete. i'm making this political to prove my point: half this country is voting for Barack Hussein Obama, with support from around the world, including every single Nobel Laureate (http://sefora.org/2008/10/14/all-2008-us-nobel-laureates-in-science-endorse-obama/). i agree with much of your logic, and i understand and fully agree with everything scientific you say, including your definition of race, but you take science and mold it to your own agenda. who else has done this throughout history? you make race an issue, and then blame our welfare state on it. if it has anything to do with that, it's only because our society (read: this country) and fuck it, the whole world, has had a predisposed notion about race from the beginning. there are many problems with this world, including radical islam, and bigots like you. |
| __________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 2:32pm - darkwor ""] if half of your city all of the sudden speaks spanish, are you going to bitch, or learn spanish, while preserving your native language? that's one of the many things i meant when i said ADAPT. |
| _________________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 2:32pm - Conservationist ""] My point is that if others, even most others, are doing something stupid, that's no reason to go along with it. If multiculture doesn't work, we shouldn't adopt it, and should fight it as we fight other things. Race is an issue and always will be, as a subset of a greater issue -- inequality in individuals and castes and groups -- and we either let it define us through omission of action, or act for a better outcome. I don't know why people are opposed to that. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 2:43pm - ouchdrummer ""] see where we disagree is you deduct from the facts, that multiculture doesn't work. I think there is much more to blame for WHATEVER your construing as "doesn't work" and that race/race mixing is an easy place for you to lay all that blame. The inequality in castes and groups cannot be blamed on race. It just can't, studies may make it look that way to someone who wants to believe it, but there are much more things going on that make those castes and groups have those certain results in studies. Not the least of which is racism. Plain and simple. At least in this country, right from the get go, right from when their ancestors came to this country, fleeing from impoverished areas where education, and hygene at acceptable levels are rare, they had even more problems to deal with, and less options offered to them, then their european "arian" counterparts. Who I may add, mostly came from areas that may not have been educational meccas, did have it better than people coming from Somalia, Egypt, Africa, or Israel. |
| __________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 3:03pm - darkwor ""] multiculture might work. sure, maybe it didn't work in athens, but this isn't ancient rome. america is still an experiment. the entire city of miami was brought to life by colombian drug money. peoples throughout history that stayed stagnant and isolated made great advances but wouldn't have advanced very far without input from other peoples. products of their environment in every sense of the word. the issue of inequality in individuals and castes and groups? communism tried to fix that. and what ouchdrummer said. race is only made an issue by the people that have made it an issue throughout history. i'm not talking about the politically correct affirmitive-action racism that exists today, i'm talking about the racism that put the lines on the world map. now that the lines are on the world map, it's a dead fucking issue. |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 3:22pm - orgymf@work ""] darkwor said:if half of your city all of the sudden speaks spanish, are you going to bitch, or learn spanish, while preserving your native language? neither i'd move... or go on a killing spree. it's common sense and common decency to learn the language of the country you live in. if i moved to any other country, i would learn their language, doing otherwise would be arrogant, obnoxious and ignorant! and if you think telling immigrants to speak english is rude, take a gander at mexicos immigration laws sometime |
| __________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 3:31pm - bradmann ""] race is only an issue if you let it. by continuing the conversation, you're just fueling the fire. FAHKIN QUIT IT |
| __________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 3:42pm - darkwor ""] orgymf@work said: darkwor said:if half of your city all of the sudden speaks spanish, are you going to bitch, or learn spanish, while preserving your native language? neither i'd move... or go on a killing spree. it's common sense and common decency to learn the language of the country you live in. if i moved to any other country, i would learn their language, doing otherwise would be arrogant, obnoxious and ignorant! and if you think telling immigrants to speak english is rude, take a gander at mexicos immigration laws sometime i absolutely do not think that telling immigrants to speak english is rude. they know that very well. they will have to learn it to get anywhere here, no matter where they live, and it's a fact. everybody around the world knows that you need to know english. i used to sell instruments, and if a latin immigrant came in and spoke very little english, and wanted a guitar, well i'll sell him a better guitar if i spoke spanish, and i did. i'm not going to move or go on a killing spree, i'm gonna sell him a guitar, a japanese guitar, because i needed a paycheck, because commerce is the world language. sure i adapted to identify with him, but mostly because i wanted to get paid. i'm talking about adapting for your own good. spanish immigrants aren't going to make me leave my city. i went to finland this summer and even though i knew that most of them speak fluent english, i crammed as much finnish as i could before i went, out of respect for a culture that is ages older than my american suburb. trust me, i am a big fan of mexico's immigration laws, but come on, it's mexico... |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 3:43pm - orgymf@work ""] HARSH YOU SAY?? 1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, and all government business will be conducted in our language. 2. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote, no matter how long they are here. 3. Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office. 4. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, nor any other government assistance programs. 5. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage. 6. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed to own waterfront property. That property is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country. 7. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no "bad-mouthing" our president or his policies. If you do you will be sent home. 8. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail. Harsh, you say ?... The above laws happen to be the immigration laws of MEXICO |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 3:43pm - orgymf@work ""] ahh, your response was posted as i was copy/pasting |
| __________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 3:45pm - darkwor ""] bradmann said:race is only an issue if you let it. by continuing the conversation, you're just fueling the fire. FAHKIN QUIT IT i know, i'm just holding my ground that a racist person is an obsolete person, and because i like using the internet for discussions like this, and because this day at work is fucking draaagging and i want to participate in an argument, even if it's mostly with myself. :ralphie: |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 15,2008 4:09pm - orgymf@work ""] darkwor said: i used to sell instruments, and if a latin immigrant came in and spoke very little english, and wanted a guitar, well i'll sell him a better guitar if i spoke spanish, and i did. i'm not going to move or go on a killing spree, i'm gonna sell him a guitar, a japanese guitar, because i needed a paycheck, because commerce is the world language. sure i adapted to identify with him, but mostly because i wanted to get paid. i'm talking about adapting for your own good. to each their own...i would rather not deal with some dickhole who refuses to learn the primary language of the country they live in....unless there are millions of dollars involved....worthless individuals imo |