Death Metal Vocals[views:17223][posts:76]_____________________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 9:22am - MarkFuckingRichards ""] Huey Lewis |
| _______________________________ [Oct 21,2008 9:48am - timma ""] Everytime I hear of Huey Lewis, I think of that scene in American Psycho when Bale smashes Leto in the dome with an axe. Classic. So anyway, back to the topic at hand... I do not want to be in any way associated by technique or otherwise with Dani Filth, as Cradle of Crap is the worst horse shit ever. I guess I'm struggling with the balance between power and sound, meaning that when I try to push out more volume I lose the sound I'm looking for (generally goes higher, obviously). Does power/volume come more from the throat/voicebox or controlling the air going out from your gut? |
| _________________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 10:43am - This_Is_Heresy ""] timma said: I guess I'm struggling with the balance between power and sound, meaning that when I try to push out more volume I lose the sound I'm looking for (generally goes higher, obviously). Does power/volume come more from the throat/voicebox or controlling the air going out from your gut? The way I developed my vox to get the combo of power and sound was first working on the sound. Just turned the mics up at practice and did my thing. As I got comfortable/good at that then I started to work on more powerful and diverse bits of low end. And that comes from the gut. At least for me. As for the high end shit... kind of the same deal. But that seems to me to be something you can either do or not do... At least as far as HOW high you can go. You can do high-er vox with practice, but sometimes how high is indeed the question. |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 11:02am - ouchdrummer ""] archaeon said:His inhales are louder then most exhales. This statement is true. First time i met mark (and only time) he did some inhales outside of Obriens. GNARLY!!! It was great, good noises. Anyways, i don't do vocs. Never could, never will. But I feel that it doesn't matter how your doin it, inhale, exhale, all that matters is what it sounds like. I've heard plently of both styles, and enjoy plenty of both styles as well. It's mostly just gotta have variety, feel, and good rhythmic placement. If it had good tone, and did all these things, i wouldn't care if someone were doin it with armpit farts. Or real farts for that matter, i couldn't care less how they do it, AS LONG AS it's not a recording live, and someone is at least performing it. |
| _____________________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 11:08am - ConquerTheBaphomet ""] MarkFuckingRichards said:If you like TYAG and Composted, then you like/have heard my inhales. Yes, I have heard them then. Still not a fan of that technique. |
| ________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 11:10am - timma ""] Truth, I can dig that. I guess it's moreso a matter of personal gratification/satisfaction that knowing your vocal stylings aren't a lame joke. Thanks for all the input, gents. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 11:24am - immortal13 ""] timma said:I've just recently got the diaphragm "mechanic" down, but I can't sustain a constant vocal for very long...even though I'm taking in about as much oxygen as I possible can without imploding. Maybe I'll just stick to singing Journey in the shower and call it a day... Bad idea. If you inhale too much before a note (or gurgle in this case), you'll exhale a lot harder making it harder to hold a note (or gurgle). |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 11:29am - immortal13 ""] MarkFuckingRichards said:Inhales are definitely no cop-out if you DO THEM RIGHT. Exhales are a lot easier to perfect, or at least get comfortable with. There are too many lazy vocalists giving inhales a bad name. It's nearly impossible to describe how to do one correctly though. It hurts like fucking hell before you know what you're doing, and to get power, endurance, range and volume out of them takes a lot of time and practice. All the stupid YouTube videos of kids doing inhales are fucking retarded. All the vocalists that need to cup the mic when they do inhales are fucking retarded (same goes for people who need to cup the mic when they do exhales). The bottom line on that argument is that no matter what vocal styling you go for, you need to make sure you can get volume, power and endurance. I've been doing exhales and inhales for about 9 years, at about the same volume/power level, just consistently practicing any way that I can. Trying to sing along to your favorite death metal CDs in the car helps, or just making random noises while driving helps too. I've never really looked into proper vocal care, which I probably should do at some point, haha, but I've found that sugary drinks help me a lot. Hot chocolate gets my throat perfect for really wet, disgusting sounds. I've never gone wrong with water either though. Best thing to do is not use your vocal chords, but rather use the roof of your mouth to make that raspy sound. Try talking like Marge Simpson, and then use that exact sound to go a growl. Also try it like your growling like a dog, and then turn it into a death metal growl. That way, you won't kill your vocal chords and you'll be able to speak. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 11:31am - immortal13 ""] ConquerTheBaphomet said:Inhales are friggin' gay and anyone who does them is weak. I learned to do them after repeated practices. It's a matter of how much force you're allowing on your vocal chords. Why would you learn them if you think they're gay? |
| _____________________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 12:04pm - ConquerTheBaphomet ""] I was referring to Death Metal vocals not inhales. Sorry for the confusion. |
| __________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 12:13pm - C.DEaD ""] I like how some of you think this takes actual talent. Its death metal, there is very little talent required to go "Huarrrrrrrrrrrrrgooooaaaaaaaaaaagggggggaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrr" or "Bree bree bree and then you can shit on me" |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 12:34pm - immortal13 ""] Go join Limp Bizkit and land on a cock. |
| _________________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 1:04pm - archaeon@skewl ""] CTB, you must hear MFR vocals in person. you'll shit. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 1:06pm - RichHorror ""] When you hear it you'll shit bricks |
| _________________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 1:07pm - archaeon@skewl ""] DOUBLE NIGGER |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 1:08pm - inject-now ""] Josh_Martin said: aril said:Not a huge fan of inhales here. Only exhales are real. Inhales are gay and false. |
| ___________________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 2:07pm - MikeofDecrepitude ""] mortalis said:what if a mic cupping inhale vocalist sounds good? yeah, it's kind of "cheating," but the end product would be just as good. Cupping just makes it easier to hold the mic when doing inhaled gutturals, at least in my experience. I don't see how that equates to "cheating", since they're still produced naturally and not by a pitchshifter or something. |
| __________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 2:10pm - mortalis ""] MikeofDecrepitude said: mortalis said:what if a mic cupping inhale vocalist sounds good? yeah, it's kind of "cheating," but the end product would be just as good. Cupping just makes it easier to hold the mic when doing inhaled gutturals, at least in my experience. I don't see how that equates to "cheating", since they're still produced naturally and not by a pitchshifter or something. i mean cheating in terms of volume. we used to fuck around and cover infecting the crypts and i did vocals. it sounded good, but i needed to cup the mic in order to get good volume. |
| ___________________________________________ [Oct 21,2008 2:12pm - MikeofDecrepitude ""] mortalis said: i mean cheating in terms of volume. we used to fuck around and cover infecting the crypts and i did vocals. it sounded good, but i needed to cup the mic in order to get good volume. Hey, whatever works, right? |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 22,2008 6:17pm - some tool ""] You can do anything with a mic. |
| ____________________________________________ [Oct 22,2008 8:15pm - aterribleguitarist ""] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-yuhPcCI9Q |
| _______________________________ [Oct 24,2008 10:37am - Yeti ""] aril said:"the guy who sings on gorgoroth's pentagram" ?? BLASPHEMY!! haha isn't his name Hat or something? i don't know how the fuck anyone does inhaling vocals. i can't even begin to imagine how to align the muscles to get a sound through inhaling. |
| _______________________________ [Oct 24,2008 10:38am - Yeti ""] so is inhaling just breeing? seems that inhales are definitely gay and false. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 24,2008 11:39am - McGunk. ""] wow theres really a discussion about how to use your vocals, place mouth around cock and chock. I dare you to call me. I used to be in this band |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 24,2008 11:40am - immortal13 ""] and Chock? I believe the word you're looking for is choke. |
| ________________________________ [Oct 24,2008 11:46am - aril ""] COCK AND CHOCK YESS |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 24,2008 11:48am - McGunk. ""] no chock like chock express, you know, I used to be in this band |