Post Opeth[views:18839][posts:84]The Palladium (Worcester, MA) - [devildriver][moonspell][opeth][randomshots] ______________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 1:56am - swamplorddvm ""] Moonspell was good, devildriver tossed salad and Opeth kicked ass. Good show. and Rev and succubus... 'twas a pleasure meeting you. |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 2:19am - i_am_not_me ""] It was funny how many people flipped off Devildriver. I haven't seen as bad of a crowd reaction to a band since King's X opened for Dio in 2002. |
| _______________________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 2:55am - professor gorgamoose ""] mmmmmmmmmmmmm. urine. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 2:56am - the_reverend ""] I'm just back. working on WAY TOO MANY pictures. BEST STORY EVER: on the way to the show, we stopped for gas... I come back into the car and carina's like "did you pee in a gatoraid bottle?" and I said "yes". seems she wanted to try the "new" colored gatoraid and took a sip of rev's golden nectar. I've been laughing about it all night long. at the show she got her nose broke. not a good night for her. |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 3:04am - BornSoVile ""] the_reverend said:I'm just back. working on WAY TOO MANY pictures. BEST STORY EVER: on the way to the show, we stopped for gas... I come back into the car and carina's like "did you pee in a gatoraid bottle?" and I said "yes". seems she wanted to try the "new" colored gatoraid and took a sip of rev's golden nectar. I've been laughing about it all night long. at the show she got her nose broke. not a good night for her. whoa! what happened with the nose? |
| __________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 3:05am - gorgish ""] im sorry. i love carina. smooches. opeth rules. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 3:06am - succubus ""] it's Gatorade you bastard! and if i ever see the fucktard that hit my little nose...he'lll get it back ten fold.. PRICK swamplord it was great meeting you and JellyFish & Abbath and my domino buddy Retzam! ps: drinking pee is gross |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 3:06am - swamplorddvm ""] Right, she said some ass hole punched her in the nose. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 3:10am - succubus ""] yeah 1 security guard threw him back in the crownd and then another one who saw it happen came to me to see if i wanted some ice my nose kills wow |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 3:11am - BornSoVile ""] good to see people turned on devil driver. they had a "warm reception" last time. I was sitting front and center last time when I flipped them off while Adam from Goratory slept like a baby at nap time next to me. thy legions have spoken the evoken. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 3:14am - swamplorddvm ""] god that dude was an ass. I was in hell during that set. THEY SUCK!!! |
| __________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 3:24am - succubus ""] yeah i noticed swamplord..heh...as was i but what didn't help is the prick that was crowdsurfing..landed and then must have been sooooooooooo carried away by devil driver as he was chanting the lyrics..that he felt the need to punch me |
| __________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 3:25am - Kalopsia ""] i need to start going to shows in new england so i can kill that kid that hit carina |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 3:31am - the_reverend ""] pictures are uploading. it'll take me a few minutes as there are tons of them. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 3:39am - swamplorddvm ""] can't wait to see them. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 4:25am - the_reverend ""] last date on the tour and the bands went all out. moonspell: ok, I've liked one song from moonspell, but this time they rocked. it wasn't all "see how much like type-o you can be". As a Matter of fact, they only played 2 tracks that I didn't really care for. during mephisto, the bass end of the drums sucked.. it was so annoying and vibrating. during the last song, the singer played drums. It would have made a cool picture, oh well. it was funny when singer said "thank them cause they work for few money" devil driver: well, a lot of young girls with low tops (who found their way backstage later on) seemed to really like them. I personally can't get into them. I like a lot of the drums and guitars, but then Dez breaks in with his annoying voice. oh well. at some point here, carina got punched in the nose. I think that same crowd surfer landed on me during opeth, but I wasn't sure. yeah for being tall. Dez: "will you come to see us if we come again?" retzam: ":middlefinger:" opeth: they were awesome. Mikael and Lopex (drummer) kept annoucing "paranoid" was the new song. it rocked cause then they would "wah-wah" a few bars of it. they played a track, the moor, specially for worcester.. (cause rochester called us pussies) or so they said.. if you look at the pre-listed set list: Master's Apprentices The Drapery Falls Windowpane In My Time Of Need The Moor April Ethereal (fucking) Deliverance Blackwater Park *encore* Demon Of The Fall the moor is on there. I'm pretty sure that's basically the set they played. someone correct me if I'm wrong. Opeth gets more and more "talkative" the more they come around. I remember 3 years ago and they barely said anything. now, it's like a quote-o-ramma up there. "he'll get me into DIO and then I'll be old, fat, and gay". as stated before, this was the last show of the tour. they informed us that they will be heading home and will start work on the next cd. they claim that they won't be back for 1-2 years. I guess that they will work out something amazing. "or we could have a shit album done in 2 weeks and be back out on tour". |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 4:49am - swamplorddvm ""] Hahaha! Look at the first pic of the randomshots. I look like such a goof ball. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 4:53am - Abbath ""] i just walked into the door and it's 4 40 i'm fucking exhusted! i met up with swamplord and jellyfish before the show and waited outside for 3 hours! Moonspell was excellent, and i was happy to see that they got a good reaction -devil driver was the worst shit in the world! haahahha the singer didn't even look in our direction because most of the time swamp and i were just looking at the floor, and what was the deal with him giving thumbs up to the crowd after every song?! ahahahha horrible :gun: -opeth, god-like as always, i shook mike's and peter's hands after the show, so i'm not gonna wash for a few days -swamp and jelly i love ya guys, and it was a true honor meeting succubus and the rev good night bitches!...or good morning... |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 5:00am - the_reverend ""] it was really nice meeting you, jellyfish, abath (who I think I met before), retzem, the 11 year old Opeth fan who rock. about 2/3 through opeth's set, the 11 year old and his brother got pulled out. the brother should have stayed, I would have gotten the 11 year old to stand in the photopit with me. I thought retzam was one of the kids from dissector for a second. the palladium staff rocks as usual. I'm definitely bringing them a token gift next show. the crowd surfing was minimal so they would catch kids just before they hit the ground. there was some retarded devil driver fan (chick) that tried to get the security to boost her into the crowd. I bet her mom or dad picked her up after the show. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 5:03am - the_reverend ""] [img] I'm not sure.. but I think someone is giving dez an arm to stand on. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 5:31am - the_reverend ""] I'm a douche and I forgot to make the opeth pictures to be rotated... give me 10. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 5:34am - swamplorddvm ""] the_reverend said:it was really nice meeting you, jellyfish, abath (who I think I met before), retzem, the 11 year old Opeth fan who rock. you forgot swamplord. Im hurt. :( |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 5:49am - the_reverend ""] the "you" was for you. sorry, I started typing that before abbath posted, I guess |
| ______________________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 10:12am - theundergroundscene ""] DO YOU EVER GO TO BED?!?!?!?!? I don't know why Aaron is knocking on Devildriver, by the looks of this picture he is loving it: [img] and one of you other dudes who I didn't really meet because I am a rude asshole (but at least I don't shake hands with my left hand like other people) but you look like you were having a great time too! : [img] Look at that smile!! All of my pictures will be up if the site ever works again. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 11:53am - retzam ""] the_reverend said: Master's Apprentices The Drapery Falls Windowpane In My Time Of Need The Moor April Ethereal (fucking) Deliverance Blackwater Park *encore* Demon Of The Fall No, it was actually: Master's Apprentices The Drapery Falls The Moor Windowpane In My Time Of Need April Ethereal Deliverance Blackwater Park Demon Of The Fall And, they didn't play the Moor especially for us. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 12:04pm - succubus ""] he went to bed after that last post Jay... we got back and ate and drank but i went to bed before he did and now i'm up before him lol working on my pics too |
| ________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 12:26pm - Hoser ""] Fuckin' great show......Opeth is God. Rusted and I sat up in the balcony so that we could watch all of the sweaty assholes bang around. By the way.....I went and took a shit during DevilDrivers set.....they suck nuts. Poop and Opeth...both rule. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 12:35pm - RustedAngel ""] i didn't feel like taking pictures last night, so i went up on the balcony thinking i wouldn't have to deal with any douchebags... some people at shows, I can't even explain how retarded they are. It was also rediculous to see the amount of assclowns holding up their hands for devildriver. THEY FUCKING SUCK!!!!!!! It pissed me off to see how many nu-metal posers there were at this show... that faggot coal chamber singer has the shittiest vocals ever. The only remotely cool thing about this band is that the drummer was wearing a sam black church shirt. He wore this shirt the last two times I had to sit through their gay shit... What is up with the bass player wearing a SUFFOCATION shirt? how can he play that garbage and wear it? I think someone was thinking the same thing because I saw a two bottles thrown at the guy. Also a bottle was thrown at the singer, homo. Mikael was right, devildriver are nothing but bitches. |
| _______________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 12:50pm - swamplorddvm ""] Yeah, i saw that Sam black shirt. what the hell!?! |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 1:11pm - JellyFish ""] That show was a treat. It was an honor to meet Abbath, Josiah the Black, Reverand and succubus. As for the bands, Moonspell was enjoyable, Devil Driver was worse than hatebreed, and I think Opeth spoke for themselves. And if that kid who hit succubus is whho Im thinking of, I pulled hs fucking shoe off his foot at one point because the cock smack almost broke my fucking neck. Ass. |
| __________________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 1:17pm - TheGreatSpaldino ""] devildriver's bassist sucks and Opeth's bass tone was really flat and at times you could hear it popping really loud. a little low end would have evened everything out and made the bass that uch better. but whatever... Opeth ruled. Moonspell and Devildriver sucked really bad. Moonspell sucked less because they had the evil scepter of unholy grimness which was carved straight from the colon of Satan himself. there were too many gay kids at the show. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 1:20pm - retzam ""] I didn't see Abbath, Jellyfish, or Swamplord, but to the Rev and Carina, it was nice meeting you guys (in a way it was kind of like meeting legends) and I'm sorry about your nose Carina. |
| __________________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 1:22pm - TheGreatSpaldino ""] i hauled ass at rev and carina in the parking garage... my wagon rules so so much B-) |
| ________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 1:22pm - retzam ""] TheGreatSpaldino said:devildriver's bassist sucks and Opeth's bass tone was really flat and at times you could hear it popping really loud. a little low end would have evened everything out and made the bass that uch better. but whatever... Opeth ruled. Moonspell and Devildriver sucked really bad. Moonspell sucked less because they had the evil scepter of unholy grimness which was carved straight from the colon of Satan himself. there were too many gay kids at the show. I loved Moonspell! I have been listening to them a lot lately, and my state of mind is pretty much like "Ok, they're pretty good", but live I thought the were awesome! When Fernando first walked out on stage he looked so creepy, it was great! I'm definately going to see them again if they come around here again (hopefully as headliners next time). |
| __________________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 1:24pm - TheGreatSpaldino ""] i like "doomy" stuff and i dont know... i wasnt feeling Moonspell at all. but they sucked less than Devildriver, i know that much. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 1:25pm - retzam ""] Oh, and Opeth kicks ass still. It was great! During Master's Apprentices, when everyone was doing the metal salute in Mikaels direction, I was right in front of Peter, so I just started looking right at him, moving horns to the rhythm, and he looked up and saw me and smiled. That was cool. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 1:46pm - Abbath ""] the_reverend said:[img] I'm not sure.. but I think someone is giving dez an arm to stand on. THE BITCH WAS STANDING ON MY ARM!! i didn't know what to do! i was thinking about grabing him and pushing him off stage, but i would have missed opeth! i was laughing through that whole set, that singer was so salad tossing before the show, my friend was telling me the whole time to spit on him... |
| ________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 1:48pm - retzam ""] I don't know. I didn't like Devil Driver at all, but I thought that the singer's high growl sounded really good. It almost reminded me of some of Garm's earlier stuff. Maybe it was just the effects he was putting it through though. |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 1:51pm - i_am_not_me ""] [img] (That's me with my back turned. :ralphie: ) |
| ________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 2:30pm - retzam ""] Haha, I just remembered, I got decked in the pit. I was jumping around like a lunatic during Blackwater Park and while I was in the air someone slammed me. I flew a good 7 feet or so to the edge of the pit and fell over, so the guy ran over and pulled me up and I patted him on the shoulder. Fun times. I don't usually mosh, but Mikael said he wanted to see a big famous Worcester mosh pit, so I wanted to get involved (it was great during April Ethereal). |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 2:43pm - JellyFish ""] retzam said:Haha, I just remembered, I got decked in the pit. I was jumping around like a lunatic during Blackwater Park and while I was in the air someone slammed me. I flew a good 7 feet or so to the edge of the pit and fell over, so the guy ran over and pulled me up and I patted him on the shoulder. Fun times. I don't usually mosh, but Mikael said he wanted to see a big famous Worcester mosh pit, so I wanted to get involved (it was great during April Ethereal). I was up front until In My time of Need. As I love a good mosh pit, I had to do as Mikael wanted, and show him a great pit. I was struck directly in the throat and I lost a shoe that i later recovered. I watched balckwater park, though, so it wasnt me who hit you. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 2:50pm - dreadkill ""] that show ruled. best birthday present ever. opeth was amazing as usual, and i enjoyed watching them from the middle of the palladium. i never have fun when i'm way up close and every douchbag in the place is grinding my ass and the asses of others up front. it's cool that a lot of people who post here got to get up front and rock out. that set was amazing. moonspell and devildriver sucked ass, but devildriver made moonspell look like the friggin beatles, or elvis, or someone else highly regarded. i'm sure people were getting annoyed with me and my goony friends. we were pretty obnoxious. i was screaming shit at dez frafrafrafra the whole time, shouting out things like "kataklysm", "kill yourself", "get the fuck off the stage", and the very creative "fuck you" and "you suck". even though devildriver sucked, it was fun yelling shit at them. that was a good night. sorry to hear about carina's nose. that sucks. i hate when people act like jackasses at shows and end up hurting someone. |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 3:13pm - jay-ganihm ""] moonspell - i was waiting for the set to end the whole time, and then when i thought it was over, the singer busted out satan's pimp-stick and they played more awful music. i guess they used to be called morbid goat way back when...it all makes sense now. devil driver - as far as i'm concerned, they aren't musicians, and they made the sound system suck by playing through it. way to use a snare trigger, jackass. opeth - my first time seeing them, and i was impressed. couldn't understand much of what they were saying on stage, but they rocked nonetheless. highlights- labyrinth in the car ride back c/o spalding. seeing rev and carina, and hearing about how she drank pee. my metal head "friend" who tried to pick a fight with me outside of the show. spalding's parking job at the convenient store. the kid in line at the convenient store. spalding hauling ass past the old people in the garage, as well as rev and carina. [img] |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 3:46pm - the_reverend ""] jay-ganihm said:seeing rev and carina, and hearing about how she drank pee. probably the funniest thing ever. It's going right up there with the time when I was 9 or 10 and my brother was beating me with his cabage patch kid and the head flew off. he cried so much. |
| __________________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 4:13pm - TheGreatSpaldino ""] The drummer from Blistered Earth likes Damage Plan but hates TYAG. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 4:24pm - dreadkill ""] TheGreatSpaldino said:The drummer from Blistered Earth likes Damage Plan but hates TYAG. ha, that's ridiculous. damage plan sounds like disturbed. |
| __________________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 6:13pm - TheGreatSpaldino ""] yeah... i cant say i have heard Damage Plan though. although i have heard that it sucks really bad. we were at honey farms and jayganihm and george were talkin to him and he mentioned that he was in Blistered Earth so a couple minutes later i was like "ever heard of Terminally Your Aborted Ghost?" and he was like "Yeah, they're terrible"... "um yeah, thats my band... hahahaha". thats ok though, I like BE. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 6:17pm - retzam ""] TheGreatSpaldino said:yeah... i cant say i have heard Damage Plan though. although i have heard that it sucks really bad. we were at honey farms and jayganihm and george were talkin to him and he mentioned that he was in Blistered Earth so a couple minutes later i was like "ever heard of Terminally Your Aborted Ghost?" and he was like "Yeah, they're terrible"... "um yeah, thats my band... hahahaha". thats ok though, I like BE. That's awkward. Did any of you guys see a kid in red shoes at honey farms? |
| __________________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 6:26pm - TheGreatSpaldino ""] not that i know i remember... i was the really tall and huge kid with the little armenian chick being really stupid and lame. i had a black bandana on... plain black. i had a lifeless records shirt on. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 7:50pm - retzam ""] TheGreatSpaldino said:not that i know i remember... i was the really tall and huge kid with the little armenian chick being really stupid and lame. i had a black bandana on... plain black. i had a lifeless records shirt on. I know what you look like Spaldino, I didn't see you there. I wasn't the kid in the red shoes, that was my brother. Before the show he was joking around about how someone was probably going to make fun of his shoes, and when he was sitting outside at honey farms, someone said "nice shoes" then her boyfriend said "yeah, they're just super" with a lisp. Funny shit. I like his shoes. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 8:09pm - Sinistas ""] I saw y'all in there...I had the denim vest over the flannel w/the nasty blue cammy cargos. hahaha |
| __________________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 8:44pm - Josiah_the_Black ""] to the rev, succubus, swamplord, and jellyfish it was cool meeting you guys although i dont think i formally introduced myself to carina i talked with her a few times, she wanted some of my friends and i to find that fuck that hit her in the nose, but unfortunately nobody really saw what he looked like to remember him, lucky for him we didnt find him but anyways it was really cool hanging out with swamp and jellyfish and your other friend margot and your tall friend who's name i forget, great fucking show except for devilpenetrator- fuck them |
| _________________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 8:45pm - Dripy-Mc-Kunkle ""] Hey, The show was great, I Didn't mind Moonspell, Nothing to great but they were good at what there going for. Devildriver, Well they were just amazing!!!......................... I hope they drove into a wall on there bus ride home......... Opeth was amazing, I'm happy I got to see them since they won't be touring for awhile, First time I've seen them live too. the Moor was probably my favorite song of the night, Windowpane sounded damn near perfect. I was there with my friends Jelly (Doug), And Swamplord (D) Also was cool meeting Abbath and his friends. |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 29,2004 10:14pm - dreadkill ""] i was at honey farms afterwards too. i was the obnoxious dude in the atlanta falcons hat trying to find the elisha cuthbert pictures in the new maxim. i love cuthbert. that's the best name ever. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 1,2004 12:46am - Kalopsia ""] what the fuck is with this pee story? carina did u really drink piss? |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 1,2004 12:56am - whoregay ""] yeah, aaron pissed in a gatorade bottle and she wanted to try the new flavor. aaaaaahahahhahahahaha. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 1,2004 12:59am - succubus ""] ummm what is up with the "whoregay" screen name? |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 1,2004 1:01am - lip piercings ""] thats what kids called me in middle school. whorhey. whore gay. gay whore. it was so clever. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 1,2004 1:04am - succubus ""] oh i thought you were calling me that...and i wasn't sure why because i ain't no ho yo! despite being offered a backstage pass once again lol |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 1,2004 1:36am - swamplorddvm ""] Question... What does piss taste like? |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 1,2004 1:40am - TheGreatSpaldino ""] swamplorddvm said:Question... What does piss taste like? it tastes like happy |
| _______________________________ [Mar 1,2004 1:44am - dirnk ""] haw |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 1,2004 1:49am - the_reverend ""] [img] not that it means anything, but that's the kid coming down just before hitting succubus. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 1,2004 1:52am - swamplorddvm ""] Get a good look at him boys! |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 1,2004 2:45pm - Josiah_the_Black ""] tonight we ride for vengeance |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 1,2004 2:51pm - swamplorddvm ""] For cosmic justice. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 1,2004 3:11pm - Abbath ""] i still can't get over the shittiness of them, the only good thing that came out of devil driver was that the girl next to me loved them, and her boobs kept popping out |
| _______________________________ [Mar 1,2004 3:16pm - retzam ""] Abbath said:i still can't get over the shittiness of them, the only good thing that came out of devil driver was that the girl next to me loved them, and her boobs kept popping out Nice. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 1,2004 3:20pm - succubus ""] yup i gave her the devil driver set list and she told me how much she loved them and then they brought her backstage heh |
| _________________________________ [Mar 1,2004 3:21pm - succubus ""] oh and Josiah the black.... it was great meeting you too =)) |
| _______________________________ [Mar 1,2004 3:24pm - retzam ""] succubus said:yup i gave her the devil driver set list and she told me how much she loved them and then they brought her backstage heh Hahaha, groupies... |
| _________________________________ [Mar 1,2004 3:37pm - succubus ""] oh and retzam...i wasn't at my laptop when you msged me i have trillian and it always looks like i'm there, even if i'm not. ~~~ |
| _______________________________ [Mar 1,2004 3:40pm - retzam ""] succubus said:oh and retzam...i wasn't at my laptop when you msged me i have trillian and it always looks like i'm there, even if i'm not. ~~~ Yeah, I figured you weren't at your computer. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2004 1:23am - easyed_69 ""] Heh, don't worry succubus, I fractured my nose at a sworn enemy show a couple weeks ago, so I totally feel your pain. It fuckin sucks and it hurts like hell.... |
| _________________________________ [Mar 2,2004 3:37am - Kalopsia ""] too bad u can barely see the kid. maybe if the rev took some decent quality photos for once we'd know what the little bastard looks like. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 2,2004 6:40am - retzam ""] Kalopsia said:too bad u can barely see the kid. maybe if the rev took some decent quality photos for once we'd know what the little bastard looks like. HAHA |
| __________________________________ [Mar 3,2004 10:15pm - vulture ""] hahaha in Pheonix AZ Opeth said that they played the Moor especially for US... and yes, Devil Driver sucked all across the country. That band badly needs a new singer. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 3,2004 10:36pm - swamplorddvm ""] new sound |
| ________________________________ [Mar 3,2004 10:42pm - retzam ""] swamplorddvm said:new sound New members. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 3,2004 10:49pm - swamplorddvm ""] Planet to live on |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 11,2009 8:32am - boblovesmusic ""] this was one of my first metal shows |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 11,2009 9:33am - Conservationist ""] Opeth is HIV+ |
| _____________________________________________ [Jul 11,2009 11:17am - MikeOvDecrepitvde ""] Opeth killed it at this show. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 11,2009 11:22am - sinistas ""] 5 ears. Crazy. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 11,2009 7:24pm - dreadkill ""] Why would anyone boo kings x. They rule and are some of the nicest guys you could ever meet. |