Israel kills 155 in Gaza[views:12034][posts:127]______________________________________ [Jan 5,2009 12:44pm - SkinSandwich ""] niccolai said: SkinSandwich said:Who cares!? This happens all the fucking time between these two. I love how people are acting like this is something new. GASP! I care for one because half of my tax money goes to the expansion of Isreal's corrupt zionist empire. Do what I do. Work under the table. Then the big noses won't get yer cash. FIXED! |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 5,2009 12:47pm - Conservationist ""] A fanatical religious party wins a string of elections in Mexico's northern states, then stages a civil war to drive out the federal government and take full control. The party's charter demands the return to Mexico of the occupied territories of California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Texas. Firing homemade rockets and more advanced projectiles smuggled in from Iran and China, the party's gunners can hit a total of one of every seven Americans, or 43,598,000 people, in a broad swath which includes Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, Albuquerque, Austin, San Antonio and Houston, and Las Vegas. In all of these areas, pre-schools, grade schools, and universities are all forced to shut down. Families sleep in bomb shelters, and return to them several times a day during air raids. Businesses are shuttered, and the economy shuts down. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052866.html |
| __________________________________ [Jan 5,2009 12:59pm - niccolai ""] SkinSandwich said: niccolai said: SkinSandwich said:Who cares!? This happens all the fucking time between these two. I love how people are acting like this is something new. GASP! I care for one because half of my tax money goes to the expansion of Isreal's corrupt zionist empire. Do what I do. Work under the table. Then the big noses won't get yer cash. FIXED! So let's say I work under the table, and my taxes don't finance war. My famillies still do, my neighbors still do, my friends still do, local buisinesses still do... Just avoiding your own personal taxes isn't big enough. The point isn't to stop paying taxes, it's to keep people paying taxes, but open there eyes to where it's going and why it's going there so they won't vote for military radicals like Mccain, Obama, Bush, etc. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 5,2009 1:01pm - Conservationist ""] Dude, I'm in Jail! I pay no taxes! I BEAT THE SYSTEM LOL |
| _________________________________ [Jan 5,2009 1:11pm - niccolai ""] Conservationist said:Dude, I'm in Jail! I pay no taxes! I BEAT THE SYSTEM LOL Exactly. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 6,2009 12:51am - ArilliusBM ""] [img] check that picture out. looks like the gaza strip is fucked. haha |
| ____________________________ [Jan 6,2009 3:02am - pam ""] GOATCATALYST said:Speaking of your pipe-hitting ways, Pam... Clutch put on an incredibly gorgeous hour and a half performance last night - the sensual refinements of which would have been lost to your uncouth cavewoman's palate. Carry on... hahaha. Damn shame I missed it. And by damn shame I mean thank fuck I didn't have to sit through that band again. xoxo |
| ____________________________ [Jan 6,2009 3:04am - pam ""] My friend is running into her bomb shelter a dozen times a day, I much preferred not having friends in war-zones. This sucks. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 6,2009 9:51am - arilliusbm ""] haha an israeli missile struck a palestinian elementary school. are they out of their mind? they're really pushing the boundaries of "war" here. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 6,2009 12:28pm - Conservationist ""] If they were not afraid of world liberalism, they'd herd all Palestinians into ships and send 'em to Syria. Multiculturalism ALWAYS fails. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 6,2009 12:30pm - arilliusbm ""] It just shows how dumb humans are in that it's 2009 and we're still fighting over territory/land which is ultimately tied to RELIGION. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 6,2009 12:33pm - Conservationist ""] arilliusbm said:It just shows how dumb humans are in that it's 2009 and we're still fighting over territory/land which is ultimately tied to RELIGION. Well... I disagree. We're fighting for the ability to face reality although it's unpopular. Judaism isn't just a religion. It's a culture, and two ethnicities which share more than they lack. There needs to be a Jewish state. Multiculturalism breeds us all into a lowest-common-denominator generic population. What Israel wants, and what other groups want, is the option to determine their own future. Problem: other people will be in the way, and will then start demanding what the more prosperous have created, just because they're human... Fuck that. Let the best rise, and the rest will continue to do what they've (90% of humanity) always done, which is live in disorganized, dysfunctional third world poverty. Before anyone bitches about "racism," by which I think they mean bigotry, let me say that this applies to white populations too... keep them trailers outside city limits. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 6,2009 12:59pm - arilliusbm ""] I can see what you're saying.. there needs to be a Jewish state, yes - but in the Midst of a number of (similar) cultures that hate them so much? Somewhat off topic, but related in the same sense: Do you REALLY think Iraq would function as one united state when there are cultural and religious differences that are much more profound than here in America? Their theocratic way of thinking is completely different than the way we think over here. It is IMPOSSIBLE. The only way the human race can unite as one and better our civilization is if we all realize how we're all a bunch of meaningless objects floating aloft in an incomprehensible vacuum in which we call space. We either destroy ourselves, or wait for us to being enlightened. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 6,2009 1:03pm - Conservationist ""] On Iraq: no, I think Iraq was a creation of the race of Sodomites (British) and is profoundly divided. The Kurds are just the start. The middle east has Semitic populations, Caucasian populations, and mostly Asian/Mongol populations, and they don't like each other much -- for good reason: they're radically different. On solution to the human species and its problems: I think what we need is reality and no more popular illusions. We also need culture instead of commerce. Nationalism is part of that. Let me put it this way: if the American Indians had their shit together, they would have been fierce nationalists and would still exist. If the Aztecs had not kept a slave population around, they would still exist -- ditto the Maya and Inca. This is why a lot of honest-to-god racists ("Negroes are inferior" types, a viewpoint I do not share) were opposed to slavery. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 6,2009 1:09pm - Yeti ""] i don't often see eye to eye with you Sir Conservationist, but i agree with your views on multi-culturalism. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 6,2009 1:18pm - aril ""] So it is safe to assume that any culture that is "placed" in an area where they will not be liked is (as reverend says)a "sticky situation" ? I really do not forsee a complete solution to this Gaza conflict. You really have to look past the mainstream media here in the states and understand the Palestinian point of view. They feel like they're being overwhelmed, owned, lied to, and abused by Israeli nationalists. They have the right to be angry in my eyes. Hypothetical situation: Boston is a small country in itself, as is New England. Boston is surrounded by New England and is under constant pressure day in and day out. Every now and then some of Boston's citizens throw rocks, fire missiles, etc into New England to send them a message to back off. New England counters by sending their far superior Air Force in and bombing the shit out of Boston, while surrounding the city with ground forces. This is their message to Boston to stop. I'd say FUCK YOU, I'M FROM BOSTON AND WILL DIE BY MY SWORD. Eh? amirite? Okay, my lunch break has been consumed. Thanks |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 6,2009 1:24pm - SkinSandwich ""] Genocide is always the answer. |
| ____________________________ [Jan 6,2009 2:00pm - pam ""] arilliusbm said:haha an israeli missile struck a palestinian elementary school. are they out of their mind? they're really pushing the boundaries of "war" here. Palestine/Hamas shot a missile into my friend's neighborhood public kindergarten. Last week. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 6,2009 2:39pm - arilliusbm ""] Intentionally? Israeli attacks are much more precise. If it was intentional, then they are cowards. If it wasn't then that's a shame and should also be mentioned. Hopefully no one was hurt? |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 6,2009 2:43pm - Conservationist ""] Yeti said:i don't often see eye to eye with you Sir Conservationist, but i agree with your views on multi-culturalism. Cheers to that! |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 6,2009 2:48pm - Conservationist ""] aril said:So it is safe to assume that any culture that is "placed" in an area where they will not be liked is (as reverend says)a "sticky situation" ? I really do not forsee a complete solution to this Gaza conflict. You really have to look past the mainstream media here in the states and understand the Palestinian point of view. They feel like they're being overwhelmed, owned, lied to, and abused by Israeli nationalists. They have the right to be angry in my eyes. Hypothetical situation: Boston is a small country in itself, as is New England. Boston is surrounded by New England and is under constant pressure day in and day out. Every now and then some of Boston's citizens throw rocks, fire missiles, etc into New England to send them a message to back off. New England counters by sending their far superior Air Force in and bombing the shit out of Boston, while surrounding the city with ground forces. This is their message to Boston to stop. I'd say FUCK YOU, I'M FROM BOSTON AND WILL DIE BY MY SWORD. Eh? amirite? Okay, my lunch break has been consumed. Thanks How does one nation with third-world technology fight a nation with first-world technology? Answer is in American or Vietnamese revolutions... with more expendable troops and more portable tactics. Most wars now are fought with the AK-47 and the RPG-7. They're cheap, portable, reliable and can do enough damage... just enough. The solution is to keep the two separate. Otherwise, abuse occurs. The third-world population is used for bulk labor, and they hate the first world population, who at the same time hates them for their lower intelligence, higher crime, and the eventual revolution that will use their greater numbers to eliminate the first world population. End result: a third world population. It's good for no one. I realize it seems terrible that Israel is bombing kids, schools, etc. But even with high accuracy weapons, errors occur -- what was marked "washing machine plant" has become a school, or was mismarked. Palestinians keep launching unguided weapons into Israel, which are completely terrifying because they hit at random. Israel has to respond if they want to stay together at all as a state. If they think critically about it, they will drive the Palestinians out and mow their own lawns (wash their own dishes, nurse their own kids) instead. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 6,2009 2:59pm - arilliusbm ""] There's no end in sight, though. IF Palestine ultimately stops their insurgency, it will only make Israel seem more of a war-monging terrorist state in the rest of the Middle East's eyes. The whole area is fucked. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 6,2009 3:02pm - Conservationist ""] People are going to whine no matter what Israel does. Instead of repeating the process, deport the Palestinians. Then it's one whine instead of one whine every nine months when tensions flare up again. Then Palestinians live with others like them, Jews live with others like them, and any conflict comes from someone stepping over national borders. A hidden truth about this conflict is that, since the USA took out Iraq, Iran is the only huge supporter of Palestinians. They use them to needle Israel in the hope that Israel will retaliate and make enemies by doing this. They would make more enemies in the short term by deporting Palestinians, but fewer in the long term, AND they'd eliminate the Iranian hold on them. It would also enable them to make Jerusalem's holy areas open to the many people who find them to be holy sites. I am cynical about religion, also, but I think religion is just a term for any philosophy that addresses metaphysics in regard to mortality and meaning. Such a thought system is needed, and if divorced from religion/culture it becomes commercial faggotry like Malcolm Gladwell. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 6,2009 3:07pm - arilliusbm ""] Syria + Iran are in support of HAMAS' strikes and feel their right to strike is needed. Cynical or not about religion, one must also take into consideration that the cultures over there are much more bonded with their religion(s) than we are here. Of course, that's not for 100% of the people here, but over there, it's a way of life. They literally live and die by their beliefs. I think the true conflict of this situation goes back to the original Crusades in the Medieval times, as well as the tribal wars and conflicts a thousand years before. It is a place such rich in history, culture, and religion, and that's why it will ultimately lead to the demise of mankind. One wrong move, and when the big brothers and big sisters get involved, a much bigger war will ensue. This is just the beginning. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 6,2009 3:52pm - Seth ""] :nuke: |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 6,2009 4:00pm - Conservationist ""] arilliusbm said:One wrong move, and when the big brothers and big sisters get involved, a much bigger war will ensue. This is just the beginning. Good thinking, I believe. The solution is in part to keep big brothers and sisters out of the region... which requires open markets for its oil. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 9:00am - arilliusbm ""] http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/07/israel.gaza/index.html haha, "let's bomb them, give them some bandaids, then bomb them again... repeat." |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 9:22am - SkinSandwich ""] I hope they are Spongebob Squarepants band-aids to cheer the muslims up. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 10:11am - niccolai ""] Conservationist said: Judaism isn't just a religion. It's a culture, and two ethnicities which share more than they lack. I strongly disagree. the jewish religion has nothing to do with ethnicity, although zionist jews seem to think they are an ethnic group. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 10:23am - arilliusbm ""] A number of Israeli nationals are originally of Russian/Eastern European origin. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 11:04am - Liberals suck ""] niccolai said: Conservationist said: Judaism isn't just a religion. It's a culture, and two ethnicities which share more than they lack. I strongly disagree. the jewish religion has nothing to do with ethnicity, although zionist jews seem to think they are an ethnic group. Jews are a bloodline and a race just like africans, hispanics, indians, etc. and Judaism is probably the most ethnocentric religion in the history of the world. Jews view themselves as "God's Chosen" ones, exalted above the Goys. Glad I could clear that up for ya dumb dumb... |
| __________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 11:09am - niccolai ""] Well you didn't. Jews are not a bloodline. It's a religious choice. and I don't care how many opinionated articles and sources you link on here that some zionist wrote. being jewish is a choice, not a racial background. The next person that tells me they are a quarter irish, a quarter mexican, and 'like 10% jewish' is going to get thrown up on. I will never acknowlage jews as being a race of people, so don't bother trying to enlighten me. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 11:14am - Liberals suck ""] Wow, a 21 year old douche bag just re wrote history... I'm so impressed!!! You need a good slap |
| __________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 11:16am - niccolai ""] mhm. Slap me because zionist jews are delusional. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 11:18am - arilliusbm ""] the original "jewish" bloodline is of middle-eastern origin. most (and I use that term loosely) today are not middle-eastern. they are, like I said above, eastern european/russian origin. but I'm not Jewish so i really can't speak for what they believe. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 11:24am - niccolai ""] You're right. And I'm aware of what the books say. But these days Madona picks up the torah and all of a sudden her kids are half jewish. and I don't understand why non-israeli jews get pissed off about this, since Israel doesn't care for jews outside of plaestine. Chaim Weizman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weizman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe". |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 11:30am - arilliusbm ""] Regardless of whether or not Israelis are jewish (which they are for the most part), if one is to look at this war for what it is, to me, it's obvious that Israel is an extreme aggressor and instigator in the middle east. They are surrounded by nations that hate them though, so it's really a tough situation. Israel was a risky concept, and now it just seems to be an American outpost in the MiddleEast. that's all it is, from a military/strategic perspective.. on a side note, israel has some decent black metal bands. haha |
| __________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 11:39am - niccolai ""] arilliusbm said:Regardless of whether or not Israelis are jewish (which they are for the most part), if one is to look at this war for what it is, to me, it's obvious that Israel is an extreme aggressor and instigator in the middle east. They are surrounded by nations that hate them though, so it's really a tough situation. Israel was a risky concept, and now it just seems to be an American outpost in the MiddleEast. that's all it is, from a military/strategic perspective.. on a side note, israel has some decent black metal bands. haha They are surrounded by nations that hate them, but I would suggest if Israel didn't do things like setup false-flags to instigate war, steal land, kill civillian women and children, and build racial colonies, that they wouldn't be having so much of a tough time. It's not like surrounding nations pose a real threat to Israel, which has the 4th largest airforce, nuclear weapons, and financial and military support from the US. and I don't see israel as a US outpost either since the US is being manipulated by israel, occasionally spied on, and victimised by israel's constant false-flag opperations. I would suggest that Israel gets American support because our defense dept makes an absolute killing off of the arms deals. Which of course is paid for by US tax money. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 11:40am - niccolai ""] Maybe if I were into black metal, I would see israel in a different light though. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 3:50pm - Conservationist ""] Liberals%20suck said:Jews are a bloodline and a race just like africans, hispanics, indians, etc. and Judaism is probably the most ethnocentric religion in the history of the world. We can all learn from Judaism. It also has successively produced smarter people, where Christianity and liberalism produce dumber people. German neo-Nazis: We're pro-Israel, condemn anti-Semitism |
| ____________________________ [Jan 7,2009 5:15pm - pam ""] arilliusbm said:Intentionally? Israeli attacks are much more precise. If it was intentional, then they are cowards. If it wasn't then that's a shame and should also be mentioned. Hopefully no one was hurt? Dude. Hamas is a fucked up, terrorist organization. They are hollering about women and children when they strap fucking bombs to them and send them into buildings without batting an eyelash. They may lack the military equipment to be precise but if they're so fucking in the right, why is it raining missiles on my friend in Be'er Sheva, a residential area, daily. Her housing community is sleeping in shifts so parents can try to sleep without worrying they won't get their kids into the bomb shelter fast enough. There is innocent life being taken on BOTH sides of this. On purpose. It's called war. Palestine isn't to blame, Hamas is. They're firing rockets at a huge fucking army...what does everyone expect Israel to do? Of course they're going to fight back and clobber Palestine. You can't demonize one side and not the other, we take thousands of innocent lives in our "war on terror". Terrorists hit a few places in our country, we leveled 2 countries. The kindergarten was fortunately empty and the sirens caught the missile so no one was hurt. The sirens in Be'er Sheva went down for a whole night last week and hit some unsuspecting neighborhood. People died. There's no military targets, Hamas doesn't give a shit anymore than Israel. The whole situation fucking sucks, but it's not going to stop. War for ethnic and religious reasons never do. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 5:38pm - arilliusbm ""] I'm not justifying their actions. The whole war is in fact not justifiable by any means. There is no END in sight. What I believe though, is that the Israeli air force and Israeli army BELIEVE their actions are justified, as does the other side. And you're right, that's what happens in war. However, as history shows, the Palestinian people have been constantly pushed back further and further, by an "elitist" and superior military. I can understand their anger towards the Israeli military. Simple as that. I do not support either side in this situation, nor will I ever. I just think it's downright idiotic to escalate this situation more than it already is; and I am telling you right now, as I stated above, once the big brothers and big sisters (US, IRAN, SYRIA, RUSSIA, EU and so on) get "too" involved, it will have a devastating effect on the world. Whether or not you support misanthropy like some people here, well, that's up to you. The fact remains: Israel does not HELP WORLD RELATIONS ONE BIT. Pro-Semitic, Anti-Semitic, what-have-you, I think it’s blatantly obvious that too much tension is caused because of the current state of affairs in the Middle East, especially this portion. That is my neutral opinion on this situation. |
| ____________________________ [Jan 7,2009 5:42pm - pam ""] We're in total agreement on the mess that's coming... |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 5:48pm - arilliusbm ""] I think it's beyond the point where world governments (NWO soon =/) can just "give up" on Israel and let them fend for yourself. That's not going to happen anytime soon. Therein lies the problem: we are forever tied to Israel and give them mass amounts of weapons, etc. It's not good in the long run. There really is no solution, honestly. I'd hate to say it, but I don't think any politician of any government has the ability to help the situation out and make all countries in the middle-east hold hands and dance around in a field of daisies. It's never going to happen.. that's the problem. We are doomed. Doooooomed I tell ya. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 5:54pm - badroad ""] wow.lots of smart people with good opinions on here. lots of racist douchebags too. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 5:56pm - Conservationist ""] pam said:Hamas is a fucked up, terrorist organization. Pam, you're sounding like George Bush. Hamas is also democratically-elected. However, I agree with Pam: Hamas is not the solution here. They're lobbying dumb rockets into Israel and scaring the crap out of people and paralyzing the economy. The problem is that the situation creates opportunities for dissent. The multicultural state always fails. Palestinians, ethnically, belong in Syria. There they have self-rule and are not surrounded by people that, if we're honest, we admit their religion detests. Separation seems so harsh... yet it's not. It's the way to a lasting stability, because if national borders exist, acts of war are clear violations of those borders. As it is now, with everyone mixed up, Hamas gets to wage guerrilla warfare against Israel and then squeal about abuse when Israel retaliates. Country within a country. A tale of two cities. The situation is permanently screwed, so why not just change it? And deport all non-Europeans back to Africa, because multiculturalism isn't working here. http://www.colorofcrime.com/ 1. Minorities are waging guerrilla warfare against the demographic majority. 2. Minorities are destroying themselves as well. If multiculturalism doesn't work for any groups, regardless of what ethnicities are involved, blame multiculturalism and separate everyone, then enjoy the lasting peace -- you've found a better design. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 5:57pm - SkinSandwich ""] Shutup nigger. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 6:00pm - Conservationist ""] [img] |
| _________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 7:45pm - niccolai ""] pam said: arilliusbm said:Intentionally? Israeli attacks are much more precise. If it was intentional, then they are cowards. If it wasn't then that's a shame and should also be mentioned. Hopefully no one was hurt? Dude. Hamas is a fucked up, terrorist organization. They are hollering about women and children when they strap fucking bombs to them and send them into buildings without batting an eyelash. They may lack the military equipment to be precise but if they're so fucking in the right, why is it raining missiles on my friend in Be'er Sheva, a residential area, daily. Her housing community is sleeping in shifts so parents can try to sleep without worrying they won't get their kids into the bomb shelter fast enough. There is innocent life being taken on BOTH sides of this. On purpose. It's called war. Palestine isn't to blame, Hamas is. They're firing rockets at a huge fucking army...what does everyone expect Israel to do? Of course they're going to fight back and clobber Palestine. You can't demonize one side and not the other, we take thousands of innocent lives in our "war on terror". Terrorists hit a few places in our country, we leveled 2 countries. The kindergarten was fortunately empty and the sirens caught the missile so no one was hurt. The sirens in Be'er Sheva went down for a whole night last week and hit some unsuspecting neighborhood. People died. There's no military targets, Hamas doesn't give a shit anymore than Israel. The whole situation fucking sucks, but it's not going to stop. War for ethnic and religious reasons never do. Hamas is not a terrorist organization. And it's funny you should say that, since hamas was actually created by israel. But either way, Hamas doesn't speak on behalf of the people of palestine, so why would a country as technologically advanced in intelligence as Israel need to target civilian casualties? Hamas (if they actually were to make an offensive on israel) is doing to Isreal what the Colonies did to England during the quartering act. I agree that Hamas suicide bombing people is retarded, as it just gives Israel more of a deceptive excuse to do what they're doing... which is why I'm not convinved that Hamas is even doing this. Sounds like more Israel False Flag ops to me. Hamas aren't morons. They are capable of organizing proper offensives. I would suggest palestine is reacting to Israels offensives (illegal occupation, civilian targeting, aparthied walls, etc) in a despirate, but acceptable way. Not actually organizing offensives like Israel has done to them, labanon, and will likely do to iran and Syria. If Palestine were doing to israel as israel has done to palestine, you're friend wouldn't haveto be hiding in a bomb shelter for safety because her home would already have been demolished to make room for arab-only colonies and she would be living in a 'refugee/concentration camp' |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 7,2009 8:17pm - SkinSandwich ""] Where is Hitler when you need him. He would clean this mess right up. And swiftly too! Big whoop! You wanna fight about it!? [img] |