What is the musical appeal of Dream Theater / Symphony X and the like?[views:13902][posts:89]___________________________________ [Jul 16,2009 4:04pm - spaldino ""] reimroc said:castlevania: bloodlines soundtrack metal cover band anyone? bloodlines music? really? i mean most of it is staple castlevania music... but castlevania 4 i think has the best soundtrack out of the original Castlevanias. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 16,2009 4:08pm - reimroc ""] oh it has a great soundtrack but bloodlines is my personal fav |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 16,2009 4:12pm - spaldino ""] the genesis sound chip was kind of terrible actually... but i have no problems with the music in bloodlines at all. |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 16,2009 4:14pm - arilliusbm ""] sigh. everyone always disses the genesis sound. I always liked it. the SNES chip was a little more realistic sounding, but genesis had some of the best "techno"-based music for games. a fine example of this would be vectorman's music. |
| ________________________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 10:08pm - IllinoisEnemaBradness ""] arilliusbm said:sigh. everyone always disses the genesis sound. I always liked it. the SNES chip was a little more realistic sounding, but genesis had some of the best "techno"-based music for games. a fine example of this would be vectorman's music. i always loved the Sonic music |
| _____________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 10:10pm - arilliusbm ""] alright, i'll bump a thread where I uploaded the sonic soundtracks haha |
| ________________________________________________ [Jul 23,2009 10:13pm - IllinoisEnemaBradness ""] really? that would rule |
| __________________________________________ [Jul 24,2009 12:31am - Conservationist ""] I knew I played Descent II too much when I started to "like" the music. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 27,2011 5:11pm - arilliusbm ""] Also bumped for relevance. Fuck DT. |
| ________________________________ [Oct 27,2011 5:12pm - Mark_R ""] What is this relevant to? Anyways, Descent II was awesome. I kept losing the CD ROM though so I never made it to the end :( I did read those novels that came out earlier this decade. Heh. |
| ______________________________ [Oct 27,2011 5:16pm - Lamp ""] http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=78144 |
| ________________________________ [Oct 27,2011 5:17pm - Mark_R ""] My answer to the OP. I am a big fan of Dream Theater because of their songwriting, especially in their early years (through 1997). They've actually gotten worse as they've tried to be more metal and it just sounds like they're trying too hard. Train of Thought, for example, SOUNDS great but lacks depth and thus does not reward replays. Just gets old. Symphony X is the same way, but their heyday was just a little later (1997-2002). When they started trying to be Pantera with synths, my interest dropped like a rock. I also think Russell Allen is abandoning what made his voice so good (see: every album through V, then the ones after it & Adrenaline Mob). Psychotic Waltz was and are a brilliant band. Easily better than both Symphony X and DT. But I think their first-generation fanbase largely moved on from metal. Their best chance to rejuvenate interest, besides touring the U.S. again, is to re-issue those older albums in normal CD versions at normal prices. The fancy-pants vinyl box set that came out earlier this year is good for old time fans but I don't see a new curious person shelling out for it. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 27,2011 5:19pm - arilliusbm ""] Josh's statements about DT and Cynic. I can't stand most DT fans. They're to metal as what Rush fans are to... Well, fuck Rush fans. yea, you heard it right. FUCK YOU RUSH FANS. The fanboy fans, not the casual fans. The ones that hold their chin up high because they listen to smart music. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 27,2011 5:21pm - arilliusbm ""] Good answer. This board needs more Mark Rs. Perhaps some Mark Ns or Mark Ds? |
| ________________________________ [Oct 27,2011 5:28pm - Mark_R ""] Thanks man. I wrote kind of a lot because I was trying to rush out my thoughts all at once. |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 27,2011 5:30pm - goatcatalyst ""] arilliusbm said: FUCK YOU RUSH FANS. Go tell it on the mountain! Only thing worse than Rush are Rush fans. Insufferable buttdarts. |
| ________________________________ [Oct 27,2011 5:37pm - Mark_R ""] You must like SOME Rush at least |
| _________________________________________ [Oct 27,2011 5:46pm - bobnomaamrooney ""] goatcatalyst said: arilliusbm said: FUCK YOU RUSH FANS. Go tell it on the mountain! Only thing worse than Rush are Rush fans. Insufferable buttdarts. |
| ______________________________ [Oct 27,2011 5:55pm - ark ""] DT, SX, Rush were gateway bands for me. I say pishaw to them today, all of it is just too candy-coated. Geddy hasn't sounded good since before I was born. I still think The Odyssey rules, though. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 27,2011 5:56pm - arilliusbm ""] I do enjoy some Rush, but in small doses. The hardcore Rush fans are the worst. They think every band is inferior to Rush, and therefore everyone else is inferior. |
| ______________________________ [Oct 27,2011 5:59pm - Lamp ""] Hell, even an asshole like me on a quest for musical self-destruction thinks Rush has some good songs. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 27,2011 6:04pm - narkybark ""] I think I liked 2112, but I can't really remember. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 27,2011 6:26pm - Spaldino ""] arilliusbm said:Good answer. This board needs more Mark Rs. Perhaps some Mark Ns or Mark Ds? Moar liek mark d's NUTZ, amirite?! |
| _________________________________ [Oct 27,2011 9:39pm - Doomkid ""] bennyhillifier |
| ________________________________ [Oct 27,2011 9:43pm - KEVORD ""] I love Rush. 2112, Hemispheres, and A Farewell to Kings are three of the greatest albums ever made. |
| ________________________________ [Oct 27,2011 9:59pm - burnsy ""] ark said:I still think The Odyssey rules, though.backed hard. |
| ________________________________ [Oct 27,2011 10:06pm - Seth ""] Doomkid said: bennyhillifier Those vocals and flute shit is annoying and makes it sound like every other kind of crap out there. To light for my taste and to happy sounding. All others enjoy his. |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 28,2011 7:08am - frankovhell ""] This thread is full of the music i find absolutely abhorrent. Id honestly rather listen to old outlaw country music or something, ive found even things in that genre that i can get into but this is just mind boggling to me how anyone would like it. |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 28,2011 7:18am - goatcatalyst ""] Mark_R said:You must like SOME Rush at least You got me... YYZ |
| ______________________________ [Jun 8,2012 3:29pm - anon ""] Interestingly enough, early last year this was a Europe tour: Symphony X Nevermore Voivod Psychotic Waltz Toxik If only North America got that tour, instead we got Symphony X and Powerglove with that shitfest Blackguard and some shit local bands. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 8,2012 3:32pm - arktouros ""] arilliusbm said: Perhaps one of the best jazz albums of all time is Kind of Blue by Miles Davis. Nothing overly technical for jazz, but very laid back and full of feeling. GREAT album |
| _______________________________ [Jun 8,2012 3:35pm - Mark_R ""] Wait, Toxik did something? |
| ______________________________ [Jun 8,2012 3:39pm - anon ""] Toxik have done two Europe tours and that's been it thusfar. They need to fucking play a show or two in the states. If Morbid Saint, Blind Illusion and Sanctuary can all get back together and play select US dates, there's no reason why Toxik can't. Grumblegrumble. |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 8,2012 4:10pm - SteveyBicks22 ""] I haven't heard Symphony X but Dream Theatre has one of the best guitar players in hard rock. |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 8,2012 4:16pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] "Geddy Lee, best bass player ever!" [img] |
| __________________________________ [Jun 8,2012 5:06pm - arktouros ""] SteveyBicks22 said:I haven't heard Symphony X but Dream Theatre has one of the best guitar players in hard rock. yeah, yeah, whatever that means. IMHO, Symphony X guitar work is far more interesting. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 8,2012 5:20pm - dreadkill ""] DestroyYouAlot said:"Geddy Lee, best bass player ever!" [img] this is pretty much true. rush is the greatest. fuck all y'all haytiz! |
| _______________________________ [Jun 8,2012 5:21pm - Mark_R ""] I think he's trolling, but ... having listened extensively to DT and SyX for a little over a decade, I have to admit that IMO DT comes out on top in the guitar work and songwriting areas. Romeo is probably a technically better rock/metal guitarist than Petrucci. But his choice to work within the neoclassical framework - followed by the faux-aggro-metal framework - has limited Symphony X's ability to be genuinely interesting across a longer period of time. DT are obviously no strangers to derivation and shoplifting from their influences. But their more flexible hard-rock style allows them more variety in what they can write and it gives Petrucci more room to actually write something emotionally engaging. The past two DT albums, against my better instincts, have contained songs that are genuinely interesting and have a lot more repeat-listening value. Maybe the difference is just that DT's style has wider appeal. Maybe the difference is that Petrucci is better at working in his frame than Romeo is in his frame. Whatever the case, DT comes out ahead. In before "both bands are fucking boring" etc. etc. I know nobody likes them. |
| ______________________________ [Jun 8,2012 5:24pm - anon ""] Anyone who hates on Symphony X WHO HASN'T listened to The Divine Wings of Tragedy album in entirety needs to shut the fuck up before judging SX. Post-V Symphony X doesn't compete to their third, fourth and fifth albums. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 8,2012 5:30pm - arilliusbm ""] I have Divine Wings. Snooze doodle fest. Fuck the haters. |