post-black metal[views:2930][posts:53]___________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 1:05am - tomx nli ""] the fact that "post" is slapped onto anything remotely experimental nowadays makes my testicles curl. but besides the point, the stuff that this refers to is pretty excellent. im talkin bout shit like amesoeurs, krallice, wolves in the throne room, liturgy, saros, altar of plagues. anyone else into it or have suggestions? |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 1:51am - goatcatalyst ""] Krallice fucking kills and I dig Altar of Plagues but Liturgy just sucks. Even gave it a second chance but its suck papers have been stamped and notarized. That Sixx record that all the NWN sycophants are tugging their pricks over is pretty cool, too. Basically the dudes from Von playing Christian Death and Samhain influenced death rock. Probably the only legit / "troo" post-black metal. Maybe check out Urfaust, Lifelover, Joyless and Circle of Ourboros, too |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 1:55am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Lantlos |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 1:59am - goatcatalyst ""] I looked quick and thought that said "Latinos" and I was all "Satanic Hispanics are fuckin legit, dude" |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 2:12am - quintessence ""] A lot of these band are alright, but I cannot stand the vocals which usually just sound like a emo guy in flannel hipster clothing shouting. Krallice and Altar of Plagues comes to mind |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 5:07am - sli sli sli ""] i feel like black metal is (or should be)by nature an experimental genre, so yea total cringefest attaching prefixes to this shit, but whatever. check out benighted leams (ferly centsms and later), v.e.g.a., azrael, virus (ved buens ende was pretty avante garde too), DEFINITELY URFAUST, shit even mayhems ordo ad chao and dodheimsgard supervillian outcast could be considered akin to this style... |
| _______________________________ [Oct 28,2009 7:47am - aril ""] Avantgarde black metal of the 90s > all that hipster shit |
| ___________________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 8:11am - MikeOfDecrepitude ""] Yeah, none of the aforementioned "post black metal" can come close to Ved Buens Ende. I had heard good things about Altar of Plagues, so I downloaded the album, and ended up deleting it an hour later. Musically, Krallice has their moments but they're fleeting. I find it difficult to take that band seriously. I'd even listen to Solefald over those bands. |
| _______________________________ [Oct 28,2009 8:14am - aril ""] I had the honour of playing with krallice (thanks Ryan) but they just ain't my cup o tea. I just hope the majority of usbm doesn't swing in that direction |
| ___________________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 8:18am - MikeOfDecrepitude ""] And Lifelover is pretty cool, pretty weird. |
| _________________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:04am - Conservationist ""] It all sucks. It's an excuse to make black metal into indie. Krallice is fucking tedious although nice people. |
| ________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:17am - xmikex ""] Depending on what you want to call post BM, Gris, Blut Aus Nord, Weakling. When I listen to Krallice I feel like I'm playing Mouse Trap. Everybody else looks like they've having a great time with it, but when I open the box it's just a bunch of flimsy pieces that work a lot better getting caught in some infants esophagus then they do putting together something worthwhile. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:20am - arktouros ""] Conservationist said:It all sucks. It's an excuse to make black metal into indie. This would be legit except I'm sick of hearing clones in all types of metal. The aforementioned bands are a nice change of pace. Black metal is prone to experimentation (imagine if Enslaved kept making the same album), it would be hypocritical to rehash and reuse ideas and stick to a formula, it goes against the core values of the genre. I don't think the black metal and indie lines of descent will cross anytime soon, unless you think they already have, either way I don't give a shit. Of course bands like Beherit can stick to roots and fucking slay. Engram is not a clone album. sli%20sli%20sli said:even mayhems ordo ad chao and dodheimsgard supervillian outcast could be considered akin to this style... Ordo Ad Chao is eeevvviiilllllll...these albums rule. Urfaust and especially The Black Flux by Virus have been getting well-deserved spins from me lately. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:23am - arktouros ""] xmikex said:Everybody else looks like they've having a great time with it, but when I open the box it's just a bunch of flimsy pieces that work a lot better getting caught in some infants esophagus then they do putting together something worthwhile. hahahah nice |
| ___________________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:26am - MikeOfDecrepitude ""] I thought the best Blut Aus Nord was Ultima Thulee, which was their (his) least experimental album. |
| _________________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:28am - Conservationist ""] arktouros said: Conservationist said:It all sucks. It's an excuse to make black metal into indie. This would be legit except I'm sick of hearing clones in all types of metal. The aforementioned bands are a nice change of pace. Except that they're clones of something outside black metal. Why the hell would I pay for an inferior version of My Bloody Valentine mated to an inferior version of Gorgoroth? I don't think style is everything. I think composition is, and you can do it in any style. Style is substitute for substance in many cases. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:30am - arktouros ""] I like Memoria Vestuvia I myself. But the drum machine is always hard to swallow for me. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:37am - arktouros ""] Conservationist said: Except that they're clones of something outside black metal. Why the hell would I pay for an inferior version of My Bloody Valentine mated to an inferior version of Gorgoroth? We're mixing races here! A mixed-race baby is inferior so this is not surprising! Conservationist said: I don't think style is everything. I think composition is, and you can do it in any style. Style is substitute for substance in many cases. This is 100% true. Composition always wins. If superior composition meets black metal style then you have a winner for me - that's why I enjoy the bands I mentioned, and why I stay away from 90% of metal. A statement from Blut Aus Nord's vocalist I can agree with: "We don’t need to belong to a specific category of people to exist. If black metal is just this subversive feeling and not a basic musical style, then Blut Aus Nord is a black metal act. But if we have to be compared to all these childish satanic clowns, please let us work outwards [from] this pathetic circus. This form of art deserves something else than these mediocre bands and their old music composed 10 years before by someone else." |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:44am - arilliusbm ""] I would much rather see more bands experimenting with 70s prog (pre-rush, but a little rush doesn't hurt) or electronic stuff rather than something that is more aligned with "hipster" stuff today. As stated above, composition is key. And in my honest opinion, any band past 1996 is "post" black metal ;) |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:45am - arktouros ""] 70's prog is too fucking hard. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:46am - arktouros ""] And it's tough not to sound like Spinal Tap. It really is. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:46am - arilliusbm ""] It's difficult, but attainable if more people strive for it. I haven't experimented enough in my bands with that style of music, but I'd love to. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:48am - arilliusbm ""] Nachtmystium is kind of attempting it, which is promising. But it's nothing that's akin to actual 70s prog IMO. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:50am - arktouros ""] (needs better drumming imo) |
| _________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:50am - Martins ""] What's some good 70's prog? If it does sound anything like Rush or anything remotely like Zappa, I will probably love it. |
| ___________________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:51am - MikeOfDecrepitude ""] arktouros said:I like Memoria Vestuvia I myself. But the drum machine is always hard to swallow for me. The drum machine sound was appropriate for The Work... and MoRT. Personally, I dug MoRt; it portrays to me this decaying sewer system used as a breeding ground for Lovecraftian beasts. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:52am - arilliusbm ""] Wouldn't want to hijack this thread Martins.. there's a bunch. We could bump a thread for that or start a new one sometime. Germany has some excellent avantgarde black metal bands right now. Of course, too many beers during the Celtics game last night makes me forget half of their names |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:53am - arktouros ""] http://returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=61094&highlight=70s+prog |
| _________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 9:56am - Martins ""] will read |
| _______________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 11:29am - goatcatalyst ""] I think it's too easy / inviting to turn a discussion of "post-black metal" into a hipster pogrom. Perhaps we stay on course by talking about bands that expand the paradigm in interesting and inventive ways. But please let the record show that I'm all for rounding up googly eyed hipsters and gassing them. |
| _________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 11:33am - xmikex ""] MikeOfDecrepitude said:I thought the best Blut Aus Nord was Ultima Thulee, which was their (his) least experimental album. I always found that album a little stale. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 11:37am - arilliusbm ""] It's too easy for hipsters to want to delve into the black metal realm. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 11:39am - arktouros ""] YEAH, THEY MUST START LIKE WE ALL DID....WITH METALLICA |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 11:42am - arilliusbm ""] Imma grab my flannel shirt and wear my Drudkh shirt under it, then get a bullcut before I go to shows. That'd be rad, dude. |
| _________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 11:47am - xmikex ""] arktouros said:YEAH, THEY MUST START LIKE WE ALL DID....WITH METALLICA "I listened to Master of Puppets. Can I pleeease start my post black metal project now?" No. Throw that out and buy a copy of Slowly We Rot. Then put in at least 20 hours in an AOL metal chat room. Then come see me when you're ready to get into your "what's the harm in buying a Hatebreed album" stage. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 11:51am - arilliusbm ""] I'm thinking of dressing up like a hipster BM fan at tomorrow's MetalThursday. Flannel Shirt? Check. Hair long enough to comb over one eye? Check. Chuck Taylors? Check. Random BM band shirt that got popular on myspace? Check. |
| __________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 11:51am - MikeOv ""] mike is on point! |
| _______________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 12:08pm - goatcatalyst ""] arilliusbm said:It's too easy for hipsters to want to delve into the black metal realm. That's why I'm gonna start listening to more Blasphemy, taking steroids and hanging out at the gym. Black metal shows should be more like mid 90s hardcore shows. Regular beatings and such. |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 1:47pm - quintessence ""] Another problem i have with these bands like Krallice is their music is really pointless. I don't get any sort of mood besides "oh this riff is somewhat catchy". Disposable, vapid and insulting music. I might as well listen to tech death metal. Black metal should evoke intense feelings and these bands do none of that. I don't care how experimental it is. |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 1:48pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] I liked Cobalt's Eater of Birds, Gin just sort of bored me. |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 2:00pm - goatcatalyst ""] Same here, Wren. Gin ist shisse. |
| ________________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 2:01pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Black metal ist raviolis |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 2:03pm - arilliusbm ""] goatcatalyst said:Same here, Wren. Gin ist shisse. BOBnoMAAMRooney = Wren too? |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 2:05pm - goatcatalyst ""] Hold the phone - is BobnoMAAMRooney not Wren??? |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 28,2009 11:52pm - IRON HORSE ""] [img] |
| _________________________________________ [Oct 29,2009 2:36am - Conservationist ""] quintessence said:Another problem i have with these bands like Krallice is their music is really pointless. I don't get any sort of mood besides "oh this riff is somewhat catchy". Disposable, vapid and insulting music. I might as well listen to tech death metal. Black metal should evoke intense feelings and these bands do none of that. I don't care how experimental it is. You mean it's like all other pop music? Yeah, I agree. Directionless. |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 29,2009 3:32am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Not Wren |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 29,2009 4:00am - goatcatalyst ""] Well I'll be double dipped in sour owl shit! |
| ________________________________ [Oct 29,2009 9:48am - xmikex ""] Black metal should make you want to howl at the moon and not care if you were trapped inside a well for a thousand years. Otherwise ur doIng it wR0nnG |
| _______________________________ [Oct 29,2009 12:50pm - Yeti ""] Wolves in the Throne Room is one of the only new "black metal" bands that i pay attention to now. i'll stick with 1987-1999. black metal should give you lockjaw and arthritis in your fingers, not swoopy hair and an ironic moustache. |
| _______________________________________ [Oct 29,2009 1:02pm - aril mobile ""] I don't really like wittr that much. Not sure why |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 29,2009 1:39pm - goatcatalyst ""] Black Metal is Devil Worship. Fuck any and every googly-eyed faggot who thinks otherwise. |
| _________________________________ [Oct 29,2009 1:45pm - MikeOv ""] Wolves are good songwriters I think. Definitely not "post" black metal and certainly not as liberal as people claim they are. |
| __________________________________ [Oct 29,2009 1:48pm - ark nli ""] ^agreed |