What is the alt to 4 years of student loans?[views:4082][posts:52]_________________________________________ [Jan 10,2010 8:56pm - TheRidersofDoom ""] Why are there no good jobs in the Boston area that don't have a useless degree as a prereq? I mean...is the only alternative to sinking yourself into 20,000 in debt by going to school to join the military? |
| _______________________________ [Jan 10,2010 9:03pm - sever ""] It seems like it. Unless you get a shitty entry level position in some medical related field, you've got 5 years of school and then grad school ahead of you if you want to survive. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 10,2010 11:36pm - metal_church101 ""] welcome to the real world. It blows, but schooling does make it easier to do both at the same time, get a college degree and really rack up some debt. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 10,2010 11:47pm - slartibartfast ""] good luck, i have a useless degree + assload of debt and i still cant find a fucking decent job |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 10,2010 11:47pm - metal_church101 ""] I have a degree, shit load of debt and am working 2 jobs. Life sux. Play metal. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 10,2010 11:49pm - slartibartfast ""] collect unemployment. fap. realize you are foul bachelor frog. laugh. fap. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 10,2010 11:49pm - metal_church101 ""] Always fap. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 12:01am - slartibartfast ""] prospective employer sez you need college degree blast it with piss |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 12:18am - arilliusbm ""] You really need masters degree to do anything these days. I originally planned to get a phd but that's not going to happen for a while or at all. Colleges are so expensive right now it's not even funny. Once you're working, it's hard as fuck to find time for school or music. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 12:32am - metal_church101 ""] Aril is right. THe job market is so flooded that people look at having a BS degree now the same as having only a HS diploma 10 years ago |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 12:42am - arilliusbm ""] Yea and more than half of those people don't "deserve" one if that makes sense. I know plenty of people that are intelligent enough to do well in college but aren't in it. It's astounding the number of idiots that graduate college. If I learned anything in college, it's that. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 1:32am - goatcatalyst ""] Never stop fapping. [img] |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 8:10am - TheRidersofDoom ""] Exactly, I could do an assload of stuff without a degree...I mean...what the fuck...you need a forestry degree...a job that requires you to work outside with your hands and you need a degree to learn it? I can understand classes. It's all a racket in my opinion, schools come up with ways to stick you for cash and keep lame ass professors working. and of course all technical jobs just require you to have friends in the field, I swear becoming a plumber or electrician is as esoteric as becoming a mason. hell they both even have ranks and titles of "Master" |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 8:42am - arktouros ""] Learn an indispensable craft, or start a successful business. Aril is right about school. Many people don't belong there. Higher education is a huge scam. I'm going back to school but I'm really weighing my options against never having school loans, ever...and there's not much I can do right now. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 8:43am - arktouros ""] Try having a pretty useless degree in a field you want nothing to do with, that's a lot of fun... |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 8:55am - arilliusbm ""] I don't use my degree at all.... With my job, at least. All I want to do is travel the world and be Indiana Jones. Is that too much to ask? |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:00am - arilliusbm ""] arktouros said:start a successful business. easier said than done my friend. usually one would have to take a small business loan or do something that costs money. It's a gamble to do anything these days and with the economy, everything is tough. Outside of being Indiana Jones, my goal is to at somepoint own a hybrid record store/bar/small venue. I've got this all planned out but don't have the funds to do so. It must be nice to have money to do stuff with. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:05am - arktouros ""] hah...yeah i said that with a hint of sarcasm and didn't use the meter. i'm with you on Dr. Jones. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:06am - arktouros ""] and getting a loan for a business like that wouldn't be too hard if you had a solid business plan and all that fun happy shit. edit: that is actually a solid joint venture. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:06am - metal_church101 ""] arilliusbm said: arktouros said:start a successful business. Outside of being Indiana Jones, my goal is to at somepoint own a hybrid record store/bar/small venue. I've got this all planned out but don't have the funds to do so. It must be nice to have money to do stuff with. Get some financial backers for RTTP. :duffbeer::duffbeer::duffbeer: |
| ____________________________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:07am - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] CLIMATE CHANGE IS A LIE |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:11am - arilliusbm ""] I don't know if you guys remember the thread a yer or so ago but GodlessRob was down in helping out. Haven't talked to him in ages though. I'm sure there's a kids from rich families on this site. Help, please? Archaeon, you're rich, right? All evidence points to it. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:22am - TheRidersofDoom ""] I'm down so far for air national guard, do photography in that...free photography training...then going to 4 year school for some sort of science, either soil management or wildlife conservation...and hoping being in the military pays for it with GI junk. but damn, of course the fact of having a girlfriend almost always rules out joining the armed forces. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:35am - largefreakatzero ""] I feel bad for anyone coming out of school (degree or not) looking for a job. The market continues to suck and we have a population problem, hence the sucking will only continue. I would go for a trade - the military route is a real gamble in this day and age. Fuck having your leg blown off in a desert somewhere. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:37am - t2daeek ""] its not even easy to get a job if you end up getting a masters. if you wanna teach, you have to get started on the graduate degree by your 5th year in MA. but, if you try to head it off at the pass and do the masters consecutively after the bachelors, you will usually find that it's harder to get a job at this point because people don't want to pay a first year the extra bit because they already have the degree. especially with someone like me, who would be approaching a music ed job, where no one, even wants to pay you the first dollar. let alone 40k+ |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:39am - the_reverend ""] 1) girls are the worst 2) $20K is nothing one you get out of college with a good degree. when I graduated, I dumped 100% of my cash into my college loans. It was over $20K and I paid it off in 1 year 7 months. Here is one secret, you can't just go to school and get a BS and expect a job (like aril said) because any an idiot can do that. You have to get a BS in a field that you are a wunderkinder and in a field that is in demand and you will do well. If you go into college for photography and you are a shitty photographer, have fun working at sears. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:42am - arilliusbm ""] Fuck your BS, I got an BA. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:45am - largefreakatzero ""] And regardless of your degree, be prepared to get paid shit for several years, or take a job that you don't like right out of school. Unless you get lucky (or are a wunderkinder in a field, like rev said), then you are going to have to pay your dues. The current 20-something generation right now has been told by it's parents that it's going to be so disgustingly successful, that many kids I see trying to enter corporate america right now are only met with bitter disappointment. Everyone pays their dues, it's normal. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:47am - largefreakatzero ""] arilliusbm said:Fuck your BS, I got an BA. Me too, and I've been selling commercial printing for the last 13+ years. Go figure. But hey, I can write a mean letter. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:51am - arilliusbm ""] I'm in my 20s working a corporate job I hate, like you said. Granted, I'm grateful to have a job right now but I don't use a single ounce of my brian. It's all just busy work right now. Hence, that's why I post way too much during the work week. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:52am - the_reverend ""] I've been coding for 10.5 years on my BS. I would have gotten a masters, but my company moved and getting to UNH manchvagas was too hard with work and rttp. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:52am - arilliusbm ""] haha, that should have been an "a". |
| _________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:52am - martins ""] Go to Northeastern. I made enough money last coop semester to pay almost half of my loan once I'm out. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:56am - arilliusbm ""] I know a few people that went there.. I'm making more money than em right now. They didn't like it too much. The cafe is pretty good though. Tis a good school; but a tad expensive. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 9:58am - largefreakatzero ""] arilliusbm said:I'm in my 20s working a corporate job I hate, like you said. Granted, I'm grateful to have a job right now but I don't use a single ounce of my brian. It's all just busy work right now. Hence, that's why I post way too much during the work week. Haha, my job isn't mentally challenging either, but I've finally built my account portfolio enough that the money makes up for it. Hang in there and keep your eyes peeled for something better, or attempt to advance internally if there is room for that within the organization. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:01am - arilliusbm ""] any school that has a tuition of over 10k a year means you're gettng fucked. How much is BU now? 52k a year? |
| __________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:03am - martins ""] arilliusbm said:I know a few people that went there.. I'm making more money than em right now. They didn't like it too much. The cafe is pretty good though. Tis a good school; but a tad expensive. I've heard it depends heavily on the major. I don't think NEU's liberal arts are supposed to be good. I'm here to get my BSEE and when I'm out I will have had 18 months of experience at real jobs. Just finished 6 months at 3M. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:04am - martins ""] arilliusbm said:any school that has a tuition of over 10k a year means you're gettng fucked. How much is BU now? 52k a year? I do agree with this. It almost doesn't add up as to where the money goes to. Looks like NEU is mostly using it to build unnecessary subpar freshman dorms. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:04am - arilliusbm ""] I've been promoted internally but not much changed. This place sucks. The cool thing is that we write insurance for a lot of bars in and around Boston. Reading the claims lupos had was hilirious too. Avenged Sevenfold concert had many broken teeth claims. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:04am - xmikex ""] The bad news is, you're going to take a shitty entry level job that you'll hate, and it will pay you in dirt and misery. The good news is that 20 something's fresh out of college are always in demand because companies love paying people dirt, and making them feel like shit. I went to a terrible school, and while I feel I made the best out of my education I was horrrrrrrrrrrrribly unprepared for the realities of the real world. I had a professor literally telling us on a daily basis that you could make "$100 an hour" as an editor straight out of college. Obvious exaggeration, but it still perpetuated the idea that a bachelor's degree is the secret key to unlocking your new life as a billionaire. I can remember sitting down at my computer on Monster.com, no idea how to write a resume, or a cover, and shooting off resumes to jobs I didn't even understand that were offering $70,000 a year. NEVAR FORGET: college is a commodity. The sales pitch doesn't end just with the brochure and the campus tour. Your advisers are salesmen. Your professors are salesmen. They pump you up with these grand ideas like Ron Popeil pitching you a rotisserie. Learning is important. And don't kid yourself, so is the piece of paper. But it's all a big infomercial. Nobody in the real world gets something for nothing. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:05am - arilliusbm ""] Yea martins, you should be raking in the money when you're done. I bet your first job will be 80k+ |
| __________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:08am - martins ""] Probably not. Especially because I'm not really sure where I want to go yet. I was thinking of moving out to San Francisco area to work in Petaluma where companies like Dolby and Mesa Boogie are but I've lately become interested in non-music-related hardware/software stuff. Either way, I eventually want to design amps, pedals, preamps or whatever. Sell the designs to companies or start my own. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:09am - arilliusbm ""] Martins, a lot of it goes to athletics believe it or not. There's a good reason NEU had to abandon their football program. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:09am - sxealex ""] if u go to college unmotivated u will get nowhere... its not a magical career giving institution |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:12am - arilliusbm ""] I hope DYA makes it big designing video games. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:16am - SW ""] get outside and do some real work pussies:skull: |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:20am - arktouros ""] yeah, joining a labor union is a great bet, no kidding. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:22am - Slymo ""] become a salesmen, good money if you put the time in. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:22am - arilliusbm ""] SW said:get outside and do some real work pussies:skull: no shit. I miss doing construction. Roofing was a blast. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:23am - the_reverend ""] if you like spending 17% of your income to union dues. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:23am - SW ""] or you could become a cop and stand on the side of the road wearing bright colors with your thumb up your ass and you will be able to wipe your ass with tax dollars |
| ________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:25am - Slymo ""] SW said:or you could become a cop and stand on the side of the road wearing bright colors with your thumb up your ass and you will be able to wipe your ass with tax dollars id rather soot my self than tell people what not to do all day. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 11,2010 10:43am - largefreakatzero ""] Slymo said:become a salesmen, good money if you put the time in. On the other hand, it can be a depressing, miserable existence, where you have to answer for everyone else's mistakes and constantly stress about the next order. It can pay the bills though. |