[books] Hideous Gnosis: Black Metal Theory Symposium[views:9152][posts:54]_______________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 12:19pm - thuringwethil ""] http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1450572162/ for realz? CONTENTS: Steven Shakespeare, "The Light that Illuminates Itself, the Dark that Soils Itself: Blackened Notes from Schelling's Underground." Erik Butler, "The Counter-Reformation in Stone and Metal: Spiritual Substances." Scott Wilson, "BAsileus philosoPHOrum METaloricum." Hunter Hunt-Hendrix, "Transcendental Black Metal." Nicola Masciandaro, "Anti-Cosmosis: Black Mahapralaya." Joseph Russo, "Perpetue Putesco - Perpetually I Putrefy." Benjamin Noys, "'Remain True to the Earth!': Remarks on the Politics of Black Metal." Evan Calder Williams, "The Headless Horsemen of the Apocalypse." Brandon Stosuy, "Meaningful Leaning Mess." Aspasia Stephanou, "Playing Wolves and Red Riding Hoods in Black Metal." Anthony Sciscione, "'Goatsteps Behind My Steps . . .': Black Metal and Ritual Renewal." Eugene Thacker, "Three Questions on Demonology." Niall Scott, "Black Confessions and Absu-lution." DOCUMENTS: Lionel Maunz, Pineal Eye; Oyku Tekten, Symposium Photographs; Scott Wilson, "Pop Journalism and the Passion for Ignorance"; Karlynn Holland, Sin Eater I-V; Nicola Masciandaro and Reza Negarestani, Black Metal Commentary; Black Metal Theory Blog Comments; Letter from Andrew White; E.S.S.E, Murder Devour I. HTTP://BLACKMETALTHEORY.BLOGSPOT.COM |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 12:20pm - thuringwethil ""] the Wolves in the Throne Room essay I can do without, but the rest looks interesting |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 12:21pm - goatcatalyst ""] Thumbs down. Overscrutinized high-minded horseshit. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 12:24pm - thuringwethil ""] I think it would be a funny conference. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 12:25pm - cinnamon ring ""] Does black metal really need theory symposiums? Like seriously though what the fuck? |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 12:26pm - RichHorror ""] Burn this faggot book and do lines off of Gaahl's flaccid dick. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 12:29pm - cinnamon ring ""] I'm still curious what people could "theorize" about with black metal. This is making me lol. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 12:29pm - thuringwethil ""] you can click on the preview hehe |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 12:30pm - Paul CNV ""] Being that bm is borrowing heavily from the philosophy of Heretical sects and more obscure religions I suppose it would only be a matter of time... Not sure how I feel about this but I would and will definately read it |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 12:32pm - Paul CNV ""] cinnamon%20ring said:I'm still curious what people could "theorize" about with black metal. This is making me lol. It's pretty funny you would make such a retarded statement... Noob |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 12:41pm - cinnamon ring ""] Well it depends if its theorizing the music or not. Who wants to read theories on what it takes to be or think black metal. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 12:47pm - Paul CNV ""] the music and the philosophy are intertwined... It's what seperates BM from other genres... It makes sense that a bunch of "intellectuals" might find this interesting |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 12:56pm - goatcatalyst ""] Storming through red clouds and holocaust douchechillz. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 2,2010 1:03pm - Yeti ""] ugh, shit like this gives me gas. it's like reading anything written by Shamaatae from Arckanum. overscrutinized high-minded horseshit. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 1:17pm - goatcatalyst ""] Bunch of precious fruits who do not worship the Devil trying to redefine/re-conceptualize a genre/movement rooted in Devilworship by waxing intellectual on matters they themselves likely do not comprehend and/or practice in order to justify/legitimize their role in a genre they have no place in to begin with. [img] / / / faggotry |
| _____________________________ [Mar 2,2010 1:21pm - Yeti ""] ie. Liturgy, Krallice, Wolves in the Throne Room |
| ________________________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 1:36pm - thetruthaboutmuffdivers ""] Paul%20CNV said: cinnamon%20ring said:I'm still curious what people could "theorize" about with black metal. This is making me lol. It's pretty funny you would make such a retarded statement... Noob Don't you make about a half dozen of those on here a week? Just sayin! |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 1:50pm - arktouros ""] goatcatalyst said:Bunch of precious fruits Paul%20CNV said:the music and the philosophy are intertwined... It's what seperates BM from other genres... It makes sense that a bunch of "intellectuals" might find this interesting that and that |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 1:53pm - arktouros ""] thuringwethil said:Hunter Hunt-Hendrix, "Transcendental Black Metal." This is the guy from Liturgy right? He can die in a fire. What a masturbatory thesis. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 1:55pm - PHILIP ANSELMO ""] Brothuh, ain't no book in tha world,,,,,,THA MOTHAFUCKIN WORRRRRRLD, that is goanuh teach a mothafucker 'bout black metal.Look in mah eyes, theah's a dahwkness theah that you.can.not.learn.in.no.GAWDDAMN.book. Ah don't wish mah road on mah worst enemy, brothuh. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 2:30pm - Conservationist ""] Eh, black metal is Romanticism which is inherently transcendentalist, as opposed to dualist or atheist. That doesn't mean the thesis is not masturbatory, just that the topic has great potential. IMHO ;) |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 2:39pm - arktouros ""] I can see that, but not the value in exploring it. Unless I'm baked. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 2,2010 2:43pm - xmikex ""] Prediction: the pages of this book will be stuck together from the authors splooging all over themselves. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 2:57pm - Paul CNV ""] It's just funny how people can jump to these be all end all conclusions without even having read the book. It reminds me of something Pat Robinson from the 700 club might do. I think it would be pretty interesting if they approached the book from a sort of psychological Jungian perspective with theories on the origins and motives behind the philosophical aspects of black metal... It would be far more interesting than the prattling dolts that say black metal is about "devil worship" and that's all you need to know... However, I have not read this book and I do not know the authors... I do know one thing for sure... Carl Gustav Jung is pretty damn black metal and ten times the occultist than any sap screeching about Satan and beating that same tired horse with spikes and corpsepaint... Ta ta |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 3:12pm - arktouros ""] Jung was a scientist and a genius, the guy from Liturgy wrote an article about how to look at blastbeats from a transcendental perspective (from what I remember his discussion was posted a while back) which to me is useless. Not to say the other articles in the book don't have something to offer beyond relating Emerson and metal. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 3:20pm - Paul CNV ""] and Science and Occultism are inextricably linked... For example these Hindu references to things like Anti Cosmic black metal... Well Hindu mythology in a sense is one big metaphysical analogy. The concepts of Maya and matter... Science and Eastern mysticism go hand in hand. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 3:23pm - Paul CNV ""] and blastbeats could definately cause alternate states of consciousness... Pete Sandoval is proof of that |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 3:25pm - MikeofdecrepitudE ""] Yeti said:ugh, shit like this gives me gas. it's like reading anything written by Shamaatae from Arckanum. overscrutinized high-minded horseshit. Totally disagree. I found Panparadox to be an engaging read. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 3:25pm - arktouros ""] later reading - http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Psych...ology_of_So-Called_Occult_Phenomena |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 3:26pm - arilliusbm ""] Jung was indeed a brilliant man. I was lucky to have taken a class on Jung and his writings. But I try not to focus on stupid shit like whatever this may be. It seems blackmetal is now in the spotlight of attention, and people try to make sense out of it by any stretch of the imagination. I listen to black metal for myself, not anyone else. I could care less what some snot nosed cunt has to say about black metal. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 3:28pm - arilliusbm ""] Esotericism or gtfo. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 3:29pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] I'm squarely in both camps, here. LOL I think the topic bears discussion but this particular work is like 90% sure to be a bunch of foofy douches trying to redefine shit on terms that sterilize BM of its "undesirable" elements. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 3:30pm - goatcatalyst ""] Do drugs and listen to Inquisition "Invoking the Majestic Throne of Satan." You'll get more out of that than this morbid game of ooky-cookie of a book. I see what Uncle Pauly is saying and I can dig it, but I find the motives/sincerity/comprehension of the authors to be dubious. But that's just me judging a book by its cover - which I find I'm rather good at. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 2,2010 3:31pm - Yeti ""] i know exactly why this is going to be overscrutinized high-minded horseshit. look at the cover of the book. it's a goddamn building. FORESTS OR GTFO. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 2,2010 3:32pm - Yeti ""] haha weird timing. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 3:38pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] ITT: Krallissa Explains It All |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 3:42pm - Paul CNV ""] All of my researches have led me to conclude that the Unconscious as it was revealed through psychoanalysis has occult and even paranormal dimensions...Carl Gustav Jung |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 3:50pm - Paul CNV ""] [img] [img] |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 3:54pm - arktouros ""] Paul%20CNV said:and Science and Occultism are inextricably linked... Absolutely, mathematics, logic, philosophy, occultism, all linked foundations of modern science since the roots of civilization. I'm just down to discredit people who want an intellectual piece of the action, warping a tenet of the black art to their own means. I'm not interested in valuizing any other individual's perspective on linking artwork to their political or egotistical gain. There is a fine line between that and philosophical exploration. An altered state of conciousness is necessary to play a blastbeat especially for an extended period. It's uniquely human, but to equate it to Romanticism? It sounds ever-reaching to a forgone conclusion to me. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 3:55pm - Slag NLI ""] I heard something about drugs in this thread? Is it true? |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 3:58pm - arktouros ""] however - Nicola Masciandaro, "Anti-Cosmosis: Black Mahapralaya." - interesting to relate modern arts and specifically occultism and black metal and realize similarities to ancient cultures and beliefs. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 4:01pm - Paul CNV ""] Fair enough... I can agree with that but I will also read the book first before I say what's what. I am sure it is probably tainted by some opportunist looking to make a name for himself but why would you write a book in the first place? Would it be because you want a career in such a field or that you have genuine interest in such matters or.....Both at the same time (; |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 4:02pm - Conservationist ""] arktouros said:I can see that, but not the value in exploring it. Unless I'm baked. Academia can murder any worthy topic. Look at what they did to Nietzsche ! (weep) |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 4:04pm - Paul CNV ""] or more importantly look at what the Nazis did to Nietzsche |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 4:05pm - Paul CNV ""] and Hindu symbols |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 4:12pm - barbeloh ""] goatcatalyst said:Bunch of precious fruits who do not worship the Devil trying to redefine/re-conceptualize a genre/movement rooted in Devilworship by waxing intellectual on matters they themselves likely do not comprehend and/or practice in order to justify/legitimize their role in a genre they have no place in to begin with. [img] / / / faggotry Apparently Ipsissimus wants people to stop reading and writing! Now that's what I call ORTHODOXY! The book looks like lame connect-the-dots po-mo undergrad sociology to me (give me an actual scholar like Titus Hjelm or K. Khan Harris any day) and I haven't read it so I can't go to bat for it, BUT real "Jahwist" FAGGOTRY is acting like the only people who have a right to even TALK about black metal are people who make it. It's like telling people to stop reading books and start going to church if they want to say anything about Christianity. Or to India if they're inspired by LHP Hindu texts. Etc. etc. And wtf posting the same tired old Auschwitz II chamber photo every other week? You know they preserved two chambers there. I should email you some pics I took there so you'll have a wider pick. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 4:13pm - goatcatalyst ""] Eager to see the learned Barbeloh weigh in on this matter. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 4:24pm - Paul CNV ""] arktouros said:however - Nicola Masciandaro, "Anti-Cosmosis: Black Mahapralaya." - interesting to relate modern arts and specifically occultism and black metal and realize similarities to ancient cultures and beliefs. Well this anti cosmic Satanism is pretty much Hindu concepts and gnosticism and metaphysics with a few idiosyncratic twists... Not saying anything bad about it... Definately of paramount interest |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 4:58pm - cinnamon ring ""] I still think people think too much into this genre of music. But maybe thats a good thing. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 5:05pm - PHILIP ANSELMO ""] Brothuh, you awah a novice at best-AT BEST. Have you evah isolated foah days upon end lyin' upright in yoah bed with three steel rods fused to yoah spine? the only comfoaht provided bein' the fervent hope that the dope man was on his way and endless,endless CONTINUOUS plays of TRANSYLVANIAN HUNGER? I heah you barkin' but we both know imitation is a childs game. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 5:09pm - goatcatalyst ""] GODDAMN |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 5:11pm - PHILIP ANSELMO ""] Amen to that brothuh |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 2,2010 5:15pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] 'Bout ta play some doogin'. DOOGIN'. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 21,2011 11:56am - ark ""] bump, repost, etc |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 21,2011 12:02pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] haha THE MORE SHIT CHANGES, ETC. [img] |