Band Advice[views:19071][posts:114]__________________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 1:24pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] So heres the sittuation... Capitol Records is interested in my blues rock band Hard No. 9 but they want us to record a 3 song demo (despite the fact that we just finished a full length recording) in Cleveland with a producer of their choice. This would be fine but they want us to cover the charge - 4500.00 plus travel expenses. At first I figured it would be a straight up bad idea to plunge us into debt (we'd have to take out a loan or put it on a credit card) over something that doesnt even have a guarantee of resulting in a deal but this could be an opportunity that doesnt come around again. On the fence... any suggestions or advice would be awesome ..thanks. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 1:27pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Bite the head off of a number 9 in the exec's office, it worked for Ozzy. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 1:27pm - arilliusbm ""] Do it. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 1:34pm - Slag NLI ""] Nothing about that situation sounds good. At all. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 1:36pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] ya i'm not thrilled but it is what it is |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 1:37pm - in 3, 2, 1... ""] "Nothing ventured, nothing gained..." |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 1:41pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] i guess at the very least we'd get a professional recording out of it that we could shop to other labels |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 1:44pm - josh_hates_you ""] pay to play |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 1:44pm - josh_hates_you ""] sell tickets or you are a pussy |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 1:44pm - the_reverend ""] never a good thing when they won't pay. get your jew lawyer to look at the contract. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 1:45pm - arilliusbm ""] Give them the Hard No. 9 if they fuck you over. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 1:46pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] now hiring jew lawyers |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 1:52pm - slard no. 9 ""] do it but insist they hire cleveland hookers to blow you |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 1:57pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] LOL @ "Slard no. 9" |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 1:57pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] hahaha thats def a legit expense |
| ________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 1:59pm - reimroc ""] Smoke weed, fuck bitches, play hard rock, get signed to capitol records, tour, smoke weed, fuck bitches, get std, descend in to drug addiction, have vh1 special about it hosted by sabastian bach, scott ian and matt pinfield, smoke more weed, write memoir, cite rttp in bibliography, win at life. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:11pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] that about sums it up |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:18pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] be in Anvil movie part II |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:21pm - Sacreligion ""] Most labels nowadays do that anyhow. They will charge you to distribute your stuff. It's the only way they're guaranteed to make money. If you think you could make it back on a tour through merch sales and what not, then I would do it. $4500 is a lot but it could be worse. Also, don't be afraid to talk to them about covering your own ass. You have something they want and you can use that to your advantage if they want you to sign with them. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:23pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] get signed, fish out your hotel window then fuck groupies with said fish or David the Gnome |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:25pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] Sacreligion said: Also, don't be afraid to talk to them about covering your own ass. You have something they want and you can use that to your advantage if they want you to sign with them. please elaborate? |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:26pm - arilliusbm ""] David the Gnome is one quality cartoon. I recorded some episodes on VHS I believe. |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:26pm - sixstringcarnage ""] do it dude... no regrets. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:26pm - dreadkill ""] where's the "fight david the gnome or you're a pussy" picture when you need it? |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:28pm - arilliusbm ""] 3 2 1 Contact!!11111!!!!! |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:28pm - Sacreligion ""] I wouldn't go in demanding ridiculous things but it's not out of line to ask for some assistance with those recording costs. It's also possible that they're seeing how self-reliant you guys are and it could be beneficial to do it yourselves. Do you know what they plan to do with the demo? It seems a little weird to me that you guys just finished an album but they need to hear the same songs recorded somewhere else. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:33pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] well we are working in conjunction with a management company and they are acting as a liason i believe. i think they work with Buck Cherry and someother bands like that. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:33pm - Sacreligion ""] Do it just for the opportunity to kick Josh Todd in the balls. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:34pm - arilliusbm ""] FIMS blues band has almost reached Saint to Sinners level of fame. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:36pm - Sacreligion ""] Seriously, though...they must think you guys are profitable enough to work with and if you bend over and take it in the ass this early who knows what type of BS they'd sneak into a contract if you ended up being offered one. You don't want to be one of those bands that jumped at their first opportunity and ended up owing them like $20,000 after your first tour. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:37pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] get Bova to record leads or doomed to obscurity is U |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:37pm - Sacreligion ""] arilliusbm said:FIMS blues band has almost reached Saint to Sinners level of fame. Needs moar nominations to be nominated for a chance to be considered to be nominated for a Grammy nomination. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:38pm - Sacreligion ""] Nom nom nom nom nom. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:39pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] haha i agree ... i'm just gonna keep gathering as much info about it as i can before we make an informed decision. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:41pm - Sacreligion ""] I'd talk to your management company as much as possible and try to gauge how much they are looking after you guys or just trying to make a name for themselves. It's their job to make sure you don't get fucked. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:44pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] maybe if i get Bova to record some shreds for us they will finance the whole thing. you cant beat that kind of street cred |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 2:46pm - largefreakatzero ""] Sounds shady to me. If they were covering the recording and expected you to cover travel expenses and lodging, that's one thing, but for them to not even put anything into the deal sounds like raviolis. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 3:00pm - I_am_not_me ""] dreadkill said:where's the "fight david the gnome or you're a pussy" picture when you need it? [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 3:02pm - thirdknuckle ""] Tell them you can't afford it right now, you just spent your money on a full length recording that you are going to shop to labels. If they want you, they will spend the 4,500, which is NOTHING to Capitol Records. If they don't think you're worth spending that tiny sum of money on, the deal you'd get would probably be horrible. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 3:06pm - metal_church101 ""] 1) Fuck the chic singer from Saints to Sinner with a rake 2) Hire Sully from Godsmack as a band leader and let him make all the decisions for you. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 3:18pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] 3) Now Go Away 4) ??? 5) profit! |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 3:23pm - Sacreligion ""] DestroyYouAlot said:3) Now Go Away 4) ??? 5) I STAND ALONE! Fixed. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 3:28pm - josh_hates_you ""] thirdknuckle said:Tell them you can't afford it right now, you just spent your money on a full length recording that you are going to shop to labels. If they want you, they will spend the 4,500, which is NOTHING to Capitol Records. If they don't think you're worth spending that tiny sum of money on, the deal you'd get would probably be horrible. yeah that. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 3,2010 3:39pm - Snli ""] Tell them you have other label interests and they are paying for everything. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 3:47pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] thats a good idea |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 5:01pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] SRSLY Tom, I know we have vastly different ideas about music so take this with a grain of salt; beyond that I think you're a good dude, so here goes: this sounds like a fucking ripoff. Interscope is willing to invest the price of a few emails and probably some stationery on you guys and you're supposed to pay upwards of 5-6 grand (after air fare) for the possibility of maybe being considered? You already fucking paid for your record, you already put the time in, let them court you if they're so interested. You'll be pretty much able to gauge their actual interest based on how far they'll go to meet you in the middle. So far they're just offering you the opportunity to go way into debt to get your demo (that they haven't paid a dime for) thrown in the pile with all the other bands that took the same offer. Don't go around with your fucking hat out; even if they do take you up on it you'll get the shitty entry-level deal at best. Tell'em to get at you when they're serious about it if you believe in H#9; hate to say it but otherwise you kinda deserve whatever you get. [/2 cents] |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 5:08pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] Thanks Steve the suggestion is much appreciated and I agree with alot of what you and others on here have said. We're gonna try to negotiate something with them but I dont see us moving forward with it unless they make some vast concessions. I'd much rather put that kind of dough into recording another demo or EP (for probably alot less) to shop to other labels on our own terms. I'm really impressed with the amount of useful information this thread has generated. you guys have outdone yourselves. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 5:10pm - arilliusbm ""] That looks more like 3 cents to me. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 5:13pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Is this the first offer of this nature you guys have gotten? If so, treat Interscope like a training girlfriend. Treat'em like shit, get what you can out of'em, learn a litle technique and then go bang hot labels with confidence. (Not even kidding.) |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 3,2010 5:15pm - bloblovesmusic ""] wow, a serious thread on RTTP? It's more likely than you think! I have no suggestions or advice to give that hasn't been suggested before, but awesome that you've gotten some interest (even if it is a ripoff or what not). You guys rule! |