NEW MAC USER GRIEVANCE THREAD[views:7848][posts:61]____________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 11:50am - arktouros ""] I got a huge new 27" iMac on my desk at work. I have to make computer lab images, manage xServe, and use it as a test monkey. I also intend on doing random unix stuff on it. That's all well and good. It's one big beautiful proprietary piece of shit, dual core Intel, 8GB DDR3, Radeon 4800, 1TB hard drive. I KILLED THE "LAUNCHD" PROCESS (explorer.exe equivalent) and THERE'S NO WAY TO RELAUNCH IT WITHOUT RESTARTING THE COMPUTER. In Windows I can always hit Ctrl+Alt+Del and start/kill any process no matter what state the OS is in. Not so with this thing. THERE'S NO EJECT BUTTON ON THE CD DRIVE. You have to eject it via software key commands and it takes forever to eject a CD. IT'S ONE SELF-CONTAINED UNIT. Can't open it and repair/replace/add a damn thing. I CAN'T MAXIMIZE WINDOWS. The fucking "plus" button on the top left of the window only makes the window bigger step-wise depending on the program. I want one button to command whatever program to take up the whole screen. Doesn't happen. THE FILE EXPLORER GUI DOESN'T SHOW A TYPICAL UNIX FILE PATH. So to figure out where I am in the file system I have to click on "Path" to get some icons that show what folder level I'm in, and try to guess the text equivalent of the folder path. THE MOUSE. It sucks. THE KEYBOARD. A full-size laptop profile keyboard. Why? the Control key is in the same place as a PC but has an entirely different function. Then there's the Command key. Both words pretty much mean the same thing. There's TWO DIFFERENT KEYS THAT SAY "DELETE" and THEY BOTH HAVE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS. NO CHANGEABLE BIOS SETTINGS. I have to enter in super-cryptic key combinations to change boot options. GAMES. There's like 5 games for this thing. I could keep going all day. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 11:52am - dreadkill ""] the new mac mouse is great |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 11:52am - the_reverend ""] you should have just listed what it does right. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 11:52am - brian_dc ""] So, I suppose saying that unless you use MAC for music recording, video editing, digital art, etc , etc you're wasting your time with MAC would be superfluous, eh? |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 11:53am - the_reverend ""] ark, can't you get them in trouble for sexual orientation discrimination? |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 11:58am - xanonymousx ""] ok, you could have got a full sized keyboard for free. you could have got the other mouse too, but that sucks as well you can add ram/ hard drive stuff easily i do agree about the games. but blizzard and card games are all you will ever need right? it's all about mame and emulators for me. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 11:59am - xanonymousx ""] also for games hook up a ps3 or xbox to your monitor via mini display shit is tight. CMND+OPTION+CTRL+8 do it |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 12:05pm - arktouros ""] The new bluetooth mouse is indeed nice. It just doesn't have seperate buttons. I hate pressing the same button in a different place to hit a different button. Messing with GarageBand is fun for a couple minutes. The photo/video programs are designed well. Photoshop is the same as Windows though. The benefit you get with the Mac is the amazing screen/color technology. The screen is the only good thing about it. But again, if the backlight dies, I have to send it away to get it fixed. Really, there's no other way to say it, this is the flaming homosexual of computers. I don't hate it, it's just different, and I'd rather work with a PC. This is what MA state taxes bought. I was talking to the CIO today and he said we could have gotten 300 new PCs or 60 new Macs. Since Macs switched to Intel the two platforms have converged, and apparently we can spontaneously support Macs with no extra training or raises in pay. We're replacing the art and music labs with Macs. They have perfectly functioning dual-core PCs now though, with software that does the job extremely well as it is. To me there was absolutely no reason to make the switch, but the budget managers didn't listen, and here they are. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 12:08pm - xanonymousx ""] if someone never used a mac before in there life it is a very hard switch, esp for someone like you, there are programs where you can run windows, or even install windows on the mac. art and music labs having macs is cool, but everyone without training that's tough |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 12:09pm - arktouros ""] xanonymousx said: you can add ram/ hard drive stuff easily i do agree about the games. but blizzard and card games are all you will ever need right? Unless I'm missing something this is literally 2 pieces of metal glued together. Don't see how to open it...and I really don't care to, haha. That's true about the games. I guess Steam games will be supporting Mac soon so of course I'll be installing that. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 12:11pm - arktouros ""] xanonymousx said:if someone never used a mac before in there life it is a very hard switch, esp for someone like you, there are programs where you can run windows, or even install windows on the mac. art and music labs having macs is cool, but everyone without training that's tough right, I do intend on dual booting/virtual with Windows, I've actually been using the terminal more than the fluffy GUI. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 12:12pm - arktouros ""] xanonymousx said:also for games hook up a ps3 or xbox to your monitor via mini display shit is tight. CMND+OPTION+CTRL+8 do it Is that the tiny video port back there? I'll be trying that. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 12:36pm - Greazy ""] brian_dc said:So, I suppose saying that unless you use MAC for music recording, video editing, digital art, etc , etc you're wasting your time with MAC would be superfluous, eh? I'm not sure that this statement is still valid. I use my PC for all music and recording needs (this is often) and I have zero problems with it. I believe this was a proliferated statement back when PC's had really terrible driver problems... (aka Plug and Pray) |
| _________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 12:47pm - beleth ""] arktouros said: THE MOUSE. It sucks. I found my reason for never owning a mac. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 12:52pm - arktouros ""] Yeah, another thing about the mouse, it doesn't move at a constant speed. It accelerates according to how fast I move it. If I just want to move across a few pixels, I have to move the mouse slowly, and across a greater distance for it to hit the target. It's like the mouse has an old dirty trackball in it. Seeing if there's an option to fix this. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 12:55pm - beleth ""] Oh man, fuck that! There has to be an option to disable that. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 12:57pm - the_reverend ""] there are 3 things on a mac that I want on the PC spotlight mutlitouch gesture laptop mouse opeth |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 1:04pm - the_reverend ""] Greazy said: brian_dc said:So, I suppose saying that unless you use MAC for music recording, video editing, digital art, etc , etc you're wasting your time with MAC would be superfluous, eh? I'm not sure that this statement is still valid. I use my PC for all music and recording needs (this is often) and I have zero problems with it. I believe this was a proliferated statement back when PC's had really terrible driver problems... (aka Plug and Pray)No, macs got that from when schools got subsidized deals to bring mac costs down to 1.5x pc costs. They sold these deals so that education would eat it up. Thankfully with the PPC and memory channel's they had plus fw, it sort of made it ok cause the technology was better. Of course apple completely abandoned the Power PC chip set for the cheaper intel chips. completely removing any advantage they have. Oh well, atleast the playstation3 uses a PPC based chip and that is why it's so awesome. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 1:06pm - the_reverend ""] also, macs didn't have drive issues cause everything was approved/licensed by mac or it wouldnt' so anything. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 1:15pm - arktouros ""] ^ both true. No option to fix this mouse acceleration thing. Not good at all. And I have the mouse speed cranked to 100%, it's still dragging around. The Windows 7 search is sort of like Spotlight I think. Or maybe Google Desktop is more like it. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 1:18pm - arktouros ""] Grievance #124523: NO HEADPHONE JACK/AUDIO OUT. Grievance #124524: NO VGA/DVI VIDEO OUT. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 1:24pm - the_reverend ""] google desktop and win7 is like spotlight is like saying that a shitty zune or shitty creative zen is almost like your 64GB ipod touch. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 1:25pm - arktouros ""] touche. One thing that is awesome - I can call up a stack trace of any process. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 1:27pm - the_reverend ""] in windows, you need msdn installed to do that. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 1:33pm - arktouros ""] it does have an audio out. proprietary video out tho. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 1:49pm - arilliusbm ""] use linux |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 1:54pm - arktouros ""] linux is great. linux is free. you get the headache you pay for. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 1:57pm - arilliusbm ""] I love how you made this thread but love your iPhone |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 2:06pm - arktouros ""] haha, I like it because I don't have to carry around a laptop, phone, GPS, mp3 player, alarm clock, internet, etc, and it's hackable so you're not locked to first party software. I don't like it because it sort of forces you to use itunes, spends too much power on rendering a nice GUI, and because of that the battery life suffers. I don't sit there and use it too much, but it does what I want. The Mac desktop is a different issue coming from a PC. The disk imaging system is easy though, at least |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 2:15pm - xanonymousx ""] arktouros said:Grievance #124523: NO HEADPHONE JACK/AUDIO OUT. Grievance #124524: NO VGA/DVI VIDEO OUT. [img] What? get a mini display to dvi then a dvi-hdmi |
| _____________________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 2:16pm - (_)_)|||||||||||-) ""] I say good sir, I do agree with your statements. In return for thread I give [IMG]http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5994/1267306678761.gif/IMG] |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 2:25pm - arktouros ""] ^ fail ^^ yeah I found it. Still proprietary, still don't like it Installed a bunch of software. Almost done messing with this for today. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 26,2010 2:49pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] I hear it has a latte dispenser, that's got to count for something? |
| _______________________________ [Mar 26,2010 4:50pm - mutis ""] My first computer was a first gen imac. Fuck em. I got a mac pro tower now (and a macbook). All-in-one's should be reserved for laptops and arcade machines. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 10:37am - arktouros ""] So far this morning I've managed to freeze this thing 4 times. Adding a local user to the remote management list, the system locked up completely for 5 minutes, then it let me get to the activity monitor and kill that window. But then the activity monitor froze and so did Safari. If I want to click on something near the icon tray, the words on the icon tray pop up in front of my mouse, and it won't let me click behind the word. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 11:02am - arktouros ""] I close programs but the process stays running. This happens with all types of browsers, without fail. I go to install a program and it tells me to close these other applications that are already closed. The mouse acceleration is really pissing me off. I'm glad I still have my real computer so I can get actual work done. This Mac is a toy. Glad I didn't miss anything by avoiding Macs the past 18 years. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 11:03am - arilliusbm ""] U MAD? |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 11:38am - arktouros ""] YES. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 11:58am - sxealex ""] how the fuck is launchd the explorer equivalent? |
| __________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 12:01pm - sxealex ""] i was pretty sure launchd was a the replacement for xinetd |
| _______________________________ [Mar 29,2010 12:10pm - ark ""] launchd is the basically the window manager i guess, it combined a few older unix processes. all i know is when that process dies, i have no GUI, no way to start term, and no way to get functionality back. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 1:57pm - arktouros ""] ALL the text on rttp is now appearing as lines ____________ in firefox. WTF did I press? It's also losing sync with our domain every hour or so. You have to buy Apple Remote Desktop. It's not included like it is with windows. But Microsoft remote desktop for mac is free, so I can remote to my windows machines. Another fail. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 2:01pm - DYA is @ NET ""] LOL @ u "computer" |
| ________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 2:03pm - xmikex ""] [img] This non-threatening black youth says you're doing it wrong. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 2:22pm - arktouros ""] All non-threatening black youths are Scotty Pippen. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 2:38pm - arktouros ""] If 2 people are using VNC for a remote session to our mac server, it loads up the same user session and we can both control the inputs at the same time. It doesn't create a seperate user session and allow session requests. I know this is inherited from unix but that is just retarded. Totally bumping this thread for myself now. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 2:55pm - arktouros ""] Unless I'm missing something you can only TAB between text fields in a window. You can't TAB through check boxes or buttons. It's making you use the mouse for that. I hate this mouse. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 5:28pm - xanonymousx ""] just because you close a browser doesn't mean its closed you have to make sure you quit it. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 5:33pm - arktouros ""] haha..yeah...close and quit is different. One problem solved. I'm still not used to the all-inclusive menu at the top. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 5:36pm - slarchetype ""] arktouros said: THERE'S NO EJECT BUTTON ON THE CD DRIVE. You have to eject it via software key commands and it takes forever to eject "Blackwater Park" so I can put in "My Arms, Your Hearse." |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 5:39pm - Steve Jobs ""] It has been brought to my attention that this person is not happy with my product. After reviewing such claims of discomfort, it has become quite apparent that he was a loser who was raised on Microsoft products. His way of thinking is one dimensional and quite frankly, his arguments amount to nothing. This person has a biased agenda of hate and shall stop using this product if it does not suit his "needs." Here at Apple, we pride ourselves in our products. We receive many similar complaints a year and simply ignore them. These are the kind of people I hope stop using our products. These Microsiftians are corrupt, simple-minded, and quite frankly, unjust. They are idioticin every way, shape and form. This "arktouros" character is too much of a pussy to send us his formal complaint so he posts them on a music message board, of all things. This is not the right way to go about such things. We, Apple, condemn such behavior and will not be held accountable for any future violent actions arktouros does. Sincerely, Steve Jobs |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 5:58pm - Billy G. ""] Steve%20Jobs said:It has been brought to my attention that this person is not happy with my product. After reviewing such claims of discomfort, it has become quite apparent that he was a loser who was raised on Microsoft products. His way of thinking is one dimensional and quite frankly, his arguments amount to nothing. This person has a biased agenda of hate and shall stop using this product if it does not suit his "needs." Here at Apple, we pride ourselves in our products. We receive many similar complaints a year and simply ignore them. These are the kind of people I hope stop using our products. These Microsiftians are corrupt, simple-minded, and quite frankly, unjust. They are idioticin every way, shape and form. This "arktouros" character is too much of a pussy to send us his formal complaint so he posts them on a music message board, of all things. This is not the right way to go about such things. We, Apple, condemn such behavior and will not be held accountable for any future violent actions arktouros does. Sincerely, Steve Jobs I am going to infest you with more cancer, faggot. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 6:14pm - arktouros ""] LOL, thanks Steve, your iPad is the future of mobile computing. |
| ______________________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 6:19pm - ark posting on iPad ""] lol just kidding, this is aweeeesooommme |
| _________________________________ [Mar 29,2010 8:33pm - sxealex ""] ark said:launchd is the basically the window manager i guess, it combined a few older unix processes. all i know is when that process dies, i have no GUI, no way to start term, and no way to get functionality back. finder is the window manager launchd is to launch/manage processes.... this is your problem broooosaaph sudo killall Finder in terminal |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 31,2010 4:47pm - ARKTOUROS ""] VMWare Fusion is the best thing that happened to Macs. Now that I have Windows 7 running inside OSX I can't complain anymore. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 31,2010 5:00pm - largefreakatzero ""] Steve%20Jobs said:It has been brought to my attention that this person is not happy with my product. After reviewing such claims of discomfort, it has become quite apparent that he was a loser who was raised on Microsoft products. His way of thinking is one dimensional and quite frankly, his arguments amount to nothing. This person has a biased agenda of hate and shall stop using this product if it does not suit his "needs." Here at Apple, we pride ourselves in our products. We receive many similar complaints a year and simply ignore them. These are the kind of people I hope stop using our products. These Microsiftians are corrupt, simple-minded, and quite frankly, unjust. They are idioticin every way, shape and form. This "arktouros" character is too much of a pussy to send us his formal complaint so he posts them on a music message board, of all things. This is not the right way to go about such things. We, Apple, condemn such behavior and will not be held accountable for any future violent actions arktouros does. Sincerely, Steve Jobs Opeth fan. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 31,2010 9:25pm - sigh ""] You can buy mini display port to hdmi out adapters now. Don't know why apple in its infinite wisdom decided to go with this "industry standard" that only they seem to use instead of just putting hdmi on the damn things like everyone else is doing these days. Wait...yes I do, so they can charge you a fee for an adapter. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 1,2010 8:30am - Wet Blanket ""] Do not encourage him to use the tools of the devil. Steve Jobs will roast like a pig, tied over the fires of old silicon stuff with a mouth stuffed with a proverbial Apple. Tom Cruise will attempt to put out the fire but will be overtaken by the toxic fumes of his body modifications burning. Death to sinners. |
| ________________________________ [Apr 1,2010 8:41am - Martins ""] sigh said:You can buy mini display port to hdmi out adapters now. Don't know why apple in its infinite wisdom decided to go with this "industry standard" that only they seem to use instead of just putting hdmi on the damn things like everyone else is doing these days. Wait...yes I do, so they can charge you a fee for an adapter. The next Macbooks are rumored to have HDMI out. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 1,2010 8:57am - the_reverend ""] MACS ARE AWESOME.11111!!! |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 1,2010 8:57am - the_reverend ""] April fools. |