ATTN: Shroom users
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[Apr 23,2010 9:56am - TheRidersofDoom ""]
is it worth it? My friends are going to experiment with it when one of them gets back from Drughalla. I guess he is on tour with some band right now and found some place with cheap ass drugs. I've never done drugs before in my life, yes a metalhead drug-virgin. Not that I am against drugs, just always found beer cheaper and more legal/safer.
I'm just really into the idea of seeing stuff/having a strange awareness.
what's it like? can I die randomly like E users?
[Apr 23,2010 9:57am - DreadKill ""]
-100 metal points
[Apr 23,2010 10:03am - SinisterMinister ""]
No, you won't die. (unless you are the kind of dork that convinces himself he can fly or some shit.) You'll get a bit of a tummy ache, followed by deep breathing, then you get a new understanding of the world around you, along with some sweet ass colors and patterns on everything. Nothing will manifest out of thin air to eat you, Jesus will not come chasing you down the street, nothing you learned in DARE is real.
[Apr 23,2010 10:05am - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
Die? Nah, it's a naturally occurring psychedelic that's been used for countless centuries. Depending on how much you choose to consume, you may feel as if you're dying but it's a harrowing experience that reveals you to yourself.
Heroic dose for your first experience or you're a pussy.
[Apr 23,2010 10:07am - BlackoutRick ""]
Truth. Take em. Down them with a beer cuz they taste like shit.
[Apr 23,2010 10:08am - BlackoutRick ""]
No. First time should be half an 1/8. Make sure you get some caps.
[Apr 23,2010 10:15am - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
I advocate the heroes journey for a first time user. Like a great man once said- "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right." The more you become familiarized with those realms, the more difficult it becomes to return. Continual reentry into the bemushroomed state is more of a challenge due to the fact that you know what you must go through, in order to experience a spiritual rebirth.
Not to sound like a hippy faggot but that's how it is.
Just sayin'
[Apr 23,2010 10:17am - DreadKill ""]
MikeofdecrepitudE said:Like a great man once said- "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right." one of the all-time greatest
[Apr 23,2010 10:24am - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
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[Apr 23,2010 10:25am - ouchdrummer ""]
BlackoutRick said:No. First time should be half an 1/8. Make sure you get some caps.
I'm surprised you don't know better. The stems are the parts that REALLY have more psilocybin in them.
NO - you cannot die FROM them. Although, you could do something stupid while on them, and then die. So be somewhere safe, with people you trust.
It will probably make you sick, most first time shroomers puke a bit when they take em, this is totally normal, and a lot of people puke every time no matter what. Obviously some people don't puke from em, but don't be surprised if you do.
And stop spreading lies, you cannot "randomly" drop dead from E. You can overdose, but that's easier said than done with E, you're body will puke all the MDMA out before you get enough in you to die. (which with how weak the average E pill is nowadays... about 50mg of MDMA, it used to be about 100-120mg of MDMA..... it would take about 10pills to make a thin little girl OD) You CAN die from dehydration while on MDMA. That's just plain stupid, you're body temp is like 5degrees higher, you sweat non-stop, and you don't drink water? WTF?!
Now the only thing i've heard of that might be close to what you're saying is that someone died from taking E because of their prescription for depression. A good deal of the prescriptions that are given for depression are MAOIs (Monoamine Oxidose
Inhibitors), which inherently make you're body not be able to break down certain things the same way. People who take these medications (MAOIs) should know that the medication prevents them from taking MANY over the counter drugs, a good amount of other prescriptions, and even some kinds of FOOD. In other words, you have to be really careful when on them. Who in their right mind would take E when on such a medication? Idiots.
The only reason i'm so defensive about drugs is this: People base serious decisions in their life on the the information provided them by their friends/family. While it might sound like i want people to do E, i don't. It has many bad effects to. It makes you're body use the serotonin, dopamine, and adrenaline in such large amounts, that both, the mechanisms that use these chemicals, and the glands that make them, become in danger of being shut down. Or at least not working right for a while.... and when you know what those chemicals do for you every day, you'll realize that the loss of their function is not worth a 6-10 hour orgasm. (which yes, is what E feels like.)
[Apr 23,2010 10:34am - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
Fuck E. It's a cheating drug, in my opinion. It tries to bypass the turbulent stages of the psychedelic experience while mimicking the pleasant effects that most people are chasing after. Mushrooms don't give you what you want but rather give you what you need.
[Apr 23,2010 10:35am - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
I shouldn't even really say E, since that's the cocktail. My rant was more of an attack on Molly itself.
[Apr 23,2010 10:36am - ouchdrummer ""]
MikeofdecrepitudE said:Fuck E. It's a cheating drug, in my opinion. It tries to bypass the turbulent stages of the psychedelic experience while mimicking the pleasant effects that most people are chasing after. Mushrooms don't give you what you want but rather give you what you need.
I also don't think E is the way to go, i did plenty of it, and realized that it was doing far more bad things to me, and i was NOT getting the enlightenment out of it that i wanted.
Ayahuasca though..... I've been healed. I've accepted who I am, my flaws, my strengths, and i love it all. I've seen my life through ego-less eyes, and i plan on doing it again soon.
[Apr 23,2010 10:38am - ouchdrummer ""]
MikeofdecrepitudE said:I shouldn't even really say E, since that's the cocktail. My rant was more of an attack on Molly itself.
No. E is not a cocktail. That's another common misconception. E is MDMA. I know that many pills now are made with other things as well, and some with no MDMA at all, but all that is because it's cheaper, not because that's what it is.
[Apr 23,2010 10:38am - Yeti ""]
MikeofdecrepitudE said:"If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right."
this. mushrooms taken casually is kind of a travesty. that's how i started, and it was a blast, but once i took the time to "do a faggot ritual" with them, the experience was infinitely better. perhaps that's due to knowing how they work from many experiences before, but either way, they really should be used to open spiritual portals internally, not just to "make everything funny looking".
2 summers ago i and 3 other people went out to a sand pit in the middle of the woods, under a mid-July full moon, when it was about 80 degrees. we each took 5 grams, and to this day each person i went with says it was the most unbelievable experience they could never have imagined. i fully agree, i walked out of those woods a different person. i just can't take them casually anymore.
[Apr 23,2010 10:39am - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
Jim you're correct in regards to the misconception that caps contain more Psilocybin than the stems. However, from everything I've read, Psilocybin is evenly distributed throughout the entire body.
[Apr 23,2010 10:39am - Yeti ""]
ouchdrummer said:Ayahuasca though..... I've been healed. I've accepted who I am, my flaws, my strengths, and i love it all. I've seen my life through ego-less eyes, and i plan on doing it again soon.
i'm on the fence about Ayahuasca. i want to try it, but i've heard that the digestive side-effects are brutal, and i already have a sensitive digestive system. i don't want to be trying to trip but shitting and vomiting the whole time.
[Apr 23,2010 10:43am - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
ouchdrummer said:
MikeofdecrepitudE said:I shouldn't even really say E, since that's the cocktail. My rant was more of an attack on Molly itself.
No. E is not a cocktail. That's another common misconception. E is MDMA. I know that many pills now are made with other things as well, and some with no MDMA at all, but all that is because it's cheaper, not because that's what it is.
I dunno, I figured you'd bring that up but I see a clear distinction between Molly and E. Reason being is the fact that most pills passed off as "E" contain only trace amounts of MDMA, which is the reason why I choose to approach them as different drugs.
[Apr 23,2010 10:43am - ouchdrummer ""]
Yeti - there's no point in taking less than a heroic dose. The times i did, i always felt like i got to the show, but it was too full so i had to listen from outside. I kinda had a good time, but only ego-death and out of body experience are real.
Mikeov-
I understand why you'd think E was a cocktail. Because why else would people call PURE mdma molly? It's because even pills that have just MDMA as it's only active chem, it will still have filler holding it together. The capsules that only have a spec of stuff in them (light red-brown colored) are molly, and are snortable/shootable.
[Apr 23,2010 10:44am - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
Either way, focus on MDMA is not my forte.
[Apr 23,2010 10:45am - reimroc ""]
yea its worth it if you're into dissociative trips.
[Apr 23,2010 10:46am - ouchdrummer ""]
MikeofdecrepitudE said:
ouchdrummer said:
MikeofdecrepitudE said:I shouldn't even really say E, since that's the cocktail. My rant was more of an attack on Molly itself.
No. E is not a cocktail. That's another common misconception. E is MDMA. I know that many pills now are made with other things as well, and some with no MDMA at all, but all that is because it's cheaper, not because that's what it is.
I dunno, I figured you'd bring that up but I see a clear distinction between Molly and E. Reason being is the fact that most pills passed off as "E" contain only trace amounts of MDMA, which is the reason why I choose to approach them as different drugs.
like i said, people who make them are scumbags and put shit in them to save money, but the definition is MDMA.
YETI-
Ayahuasca does make you puke about half an hour after you do it, (hence the nickname LA-PURGA) but that's the end of the digestive problems. You just puke quickly once, then on to see behind the veil that is this existence. It's really not bad, my tummy is wicked sensitive too.
[Apr 23,2010 10:47am - Yeti ""]
ouchdrummer said:Yeti - there's no point in taking less than a heroic dose. The times i did, i always felt like i got to the show, but it was too full so i had to listen from outside. I kinda had a good time, but only ego-death and out of body experience are real.
excellent analogy. the most heroic dose i've ever witnessed, and this can be verified, is a friend who ate an 11 gram mushroom like a candy bar. it was the size of a cable remote.
[Apr 23,2010 10:47am - ouchdrummer ""]
reimroc said:yea its worth it if you're into dissociative trips.
what are you talking about? The only true dissociative trip i've had was when mixing K with with other stuff.
[Apr 23,2010 10:48am - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
Ayahuasca is organic, which should be trusted over any designer drug.
[Apr 23,2010 10:48am - Yeti ""]
ouchdrummer said:YETI-
Ayahuasca does make you puke about half an hour after you do it, (hence the nickname LA-PURGA) but that's the end of the digestive problems. You just puke quickly once, then on to see behind the veil that is this existence. It's really not bad, my tummy is wicked sensitive too.
yeah i've read about it's purpose as a purging of parasites. interesting, i'm leaning more towards trying it.
[Apr 23,2010 10:48am - Slag ""]
i'm extremely interested in this Ayahuasca you speak of.
[Apr 23,2010 10:48am - ouchdrummer ""]
Yeti said:
ouchdrummer said:Yeti - there's no point in taking less than a heroic dose. The times i did, i always felt like i got to the show, but it was too full so i had to listen from outside. I kinda had a good time, but only ego-death and out of body experience are real.
excellent analogy. the most heroic dose i've ever witnessed, and this can be verified, is a friend who ate an 11 gram mushroom like a candy bar. it was the size of a cable remote.
I've eaten half an ounce. (14 grams) It was a +5 experience.
[Apr 23,2010 10:49am - ouchdrummer ""]
Yeti said:
ouchdrummer said:YETI-
Ayahuasca does make you puke about half an hour after you do it, (hence the nickname LA-PURGA) but that's the end of the digestive problems. You just puke quickly once, then on to see behind the veil that is this existence. It's really not bad, my tummy is wicked sensitive too.
yeah i've read about it's purpose as a purging of parasites. interesting, i'm leaning more towards trying it.
Slag said:i'm extremely interested in this Ayahuasca you speak of.
You both should know that i would love to take you on just such a journey. I have the makings, call me.
[Apr 23,2010 11:11am - reimroc ""]
ouchdrummer said:
reimroc said:yea its worth it if you're into dissociative trips.
what are you talking about? The only true dissociative trip i've had was when mixing K with with other stuff.
shrooms are a dissociative like DXM
[Apr 23,2010 11:26am - ouchdrummer ""]
I know that shrooms are also CLASSIFIED as such, i just never thought they were personally.
[Apr 23,2010 11:31am - blue ""]
Goddamn I feckin' love mushrooms.
[Apr 23,2010 11:42am - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
This is the month a true hero transmigrated into another consciousness. Hail McKenna.
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[Apr 23,2010 11:43am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
put the shrooms on a peanut butter sandwich and make it a combo meal with orange juice
[Apr 23,2010 11:48am - arktouros ""]
I've been on one heroic LSD trip and let me tell you, not only to you become God if you look into a speaker, and the hallucinations are pretty cool, but you will learn things about the self, life, and death that you cannot learn under any other condition. It's like skydiving and having to fashion a parachute in mid-air.
I can't wait to try ayahuasca.
[Apr 23,2010 11:51am - largefreakatzero ""]
Mushrooms never agreed with me - often made me sick and paranoid. I had a much better time on acid and mescalin. Currently, I don't want any of that shit, because I don't have 8 hrs to be all fucked up.
[Apr 23,2010 11:51am - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
Hallucination implies that what you're perceiving is false.
..But is it really?
[Apr 23,2010 11:53am - arktouros ""]
Ask him
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[Apr 23,2010 11:56am - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
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Or you're an energy source trapped in a simulated reality.
[Apr 23,2010 11:58am - eyehatehippies ""]
I take them quite a bit, and I'm not dead yet. I'd say it's worth, but remember what Huck Finn says, "You pays your money, and you takes your choice." Because there's always a price to be paid, and a sacrifice to be made. You're not going to come back the same person afterwards.
[Apr 23,2010 12:06pm - sigh ""]
If you want to avoid the stomach ache my advice is to try eating only healthy fresh foods the day you plan on taking them. The less toxic junk you have in your system the better, helps the digestion in my opinion.
Make it a personal experience and you will enjoy it more. You can certainly do them with another person to share in the experience but I found that the more people in the group the more aggravation. Each person will want to do their own thing you may not enjoy it as much if you are dragged into something you don't want to do at that exact moment.
Tried them 3 times. The first 2 times were kind of meh. 3rd time was WOAH!. Had a very enlightening/spiritual experience. Felt very connected to the earth and universe. The aura outside that night was unbelievable and looking up at the stars and milky way made me feel like the spec of dust that I am. Can't really explain everything that happened but there is a reason these have been used by people for such a long time.
[Apr 23,2010 12:26pm - BSV ""]
I prefer to have a 12 pack and quarter of weed with me when I trip on Shrooms.
Get your Enslaved discs ready. Rip, Sigh - Imaginary Sonicscape FTW
[Apr 23,2010 12:29pm - sever ""]
Shrooms are similar to LSD but generally have a more "strange" or "bizzare" feeling to them, and last about half as long. When you eat shrooms you'll come up fast, trip hard for a few hours and then in a matter of minutes you'll begin to come down. Shrooms are pretty mind boggling because they don't give you much of a chance to adjust to your changed mindset. As soon as you have the brain capacity to contemplate what the fuck is going on in your head, the trip is over.
I reccomend it though, if you're in the right mindset shrooms are a blast! Try to find out how potent your shrooms are. If they're really potent, take anywhere from 1-2 grams. If they're just okay, I'd suggest taking as much as 3.5.
This varies from person to person, but consuming them raw often leads to some stomach discomfort, or in some cases vomiting. You can avoid this to some extent by putting the mushrooms in food - celery and peanut butter is good, so are peanut butter and jelly sandwiches - or you can avoid it completely by making shroom tea and drinking it. Shroom tea will also make you trip harder and faster, but not quite as long.
[Apr 23,2010 12:37pm - AndrewBastard, $Version=1 ""]
I also chop them up real small and boil them in beef ramen with the noodles and flavor packet. Totally masks the flavor and its like making tea out of them...super fast hard visual trip and you're done in 4 hours or so...
[Apr 23,2010 12:39pm - TheRidersofDoom ""]
Yeah I'm all about the occult junk about awareness and seeing beyond the mundane. Hence my interest in Shrooms over weed. How long do the effects last? I was thinking about taking a walk deep into the woods and doing them. Hopefully we can bring someone with us who will remains sober to drive us home, but then it may suck for them to have to deal with three tripping dudes.
[Apr 23,2010 12:43pm - AndrewBastard, $Version=1 ""]
Also: trip during the day in a nice bright sunny day away from people...like in the woods or a state park or some shit.
[Apr 23,2010 12:52pm - sever ""]
TheRidersofDoom said:Yeah I'm all about the occult junk about awareness and seeing beyond the mundane. Hence my interest in Shrooms over weed. How long do the effects last? I was thinking about taking a walk deep into the woods and doing them. Hopefully we can bring someone with us who will remains sober to drive us home, but then it may suck for them to have to deal with three tripping dudes.
If you're an experienced psychonaut, trip-sitting is almost as fun as tripping. Nothing like being able to make your friends happier than god. Get the right guy on board and you're set.
I would reccomend smoking some weed with mushrooms, though. If you've never done it before and you're up for it, try this: smoke a little bit, then eat the mushrooms. Once you feel them starting to kick in a little (for me, I usually notice the increased energy first), smoke some more. This will make the come-up easy and help to mask any nasuea you might be feeling. Also, once you start to come down a little, smoke again. The comedown will be more gradual and you'll trip for a little bit longer. Weed is definitely an introspective drug if used correctly, and in the context of a trip, it makes perfect sense. I would reccomend doing it 100%.
But then again I'm a stoner.
[Apr 23,2010 12:56pm - sever ""]
Also, be prepared to see some WEIRD shit. Visuals are not like acid where everything is all geometric and bright and rainbow colored. Instead of seeing fractal patterns zooming towards infinity on your wall, you'll see your walls slowly crawling in on you, your ceiling will be melting, anything with a corner will be round and colors will mysteriously not be the way you remembered them.
[Apr 23,2010 1:11pm - Yeti ""]
sigh said:If you want to avoid the stomach ache my advice is to try eating only healthy fresh foods the day you plan on taking them. The less toxic junk you have in your system the better, helps the digestion in my opinion.
definitely. i also eat them with crushed ginger, that really curbs the dyspepsia.
[Apr 23,2010 1:12pm - brian_dc ""]
Yeti said:
sigh said:If you want to avoid the stomach ache my advice is to try eating only healthy fresh foods the day you plan on taking them. The less toxic junk you have in your system the better, helps the digestion in my opinion.
definitely. i also eat them with crushed ginger, that really curbs the dyspepsia.
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[Apr 23,2010 1:13pm - Yeti ""]
FuckIsMySignature said:put the shrooms on a peanut butter sandwich and make it a combo meal with orange juice
i stopped using peanut butter, i started associating the taste of peanut butter with mushrooms, and PB doesn't really cover it all that well. it just helps with the texture. i will suffer no blasphemy to the taste of peanut butter. i found that cutting or crushing them up and putting them on pizza works the best, you can't taste anything. but only eat one small slice, greasy food isn't conducive to good tripping.
[Apr 23,2010 1:27pm - SkinSandwich ""]
GNARLY!!!!!
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[Apr 23,2010 1:38pm - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
I've always eaten mushrooms straight up, while on an empty stomach. I also don't mind the taste.
[Apr 23,2010 1:41pm - brian_dc ""]
MikeofdecrepitudE said:I've always eaten mushrooms straight up, while on an empty stomach. I also don't mind the taste.
I'm with you. I've never seen the need to go crazy.
Some OJ and a C supplement just to widen the eye and that's it.
I do loved crushed ginger, though. So it seems worth doing.
[Apr 23,2010 1:53pm - ouchdrummer ""]
i can't handle the texture of them just broken up. Personnally the way i handle it is i use a blender, and a smoothie. You totally can't taste it, and i've put up to a quarter in one smoothie. Totally awesome dudes! Wicked! Tubeular!
[Apr 23,2010 1:58pm - burnsy ""]
reimroc said:
ouchdrummer said:
reimroc said:yea its worth it if you're into dissociative trips.
what are you talking about? The only true dissociative trip i've had was when mixing K with with other stuff.
shrooms are a dissociative like DXM
Shrooms aren't even close to the dissociative experience of DXM in my opinion. DXM was the only drug that made me feel I was truly at the edge of my sanity.
[Apr 23,2010 2:12pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
Yeti said:
FuckIsMySignature said:put the shrooms on a peanut butter sandwich and make it a combo meal with orange juice
i stopped using peanut butter, i started associating the taste of peanut butter with mushrooms, and PB doesn't really cover it all that well. it just helps with the texture. i will suffer no blasphemy to the taste of peanut butter. i found that cutting or crushing them up and putting them on pizza works the best, you can't taste anything. but only eat one small slice, greasy food isn't conducive to good tripping.
you can also crush them into dust and mix with pot in a joint. that'll give you a nice body trip. i did that when i saw tool in manchester some years back. good times.
[Apr 23,2010 2:15pm - brian_dc ""]
while I'm all for people using drugs to get whatever effect they want,for me that would be a waste of the power of shrooms.
[Apr 23,2010 2:21pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
ya we did that because we only had a good amount of dust at the bottom of the bag leftover and wanted to distribute it amongst 3 people. but it could work for him if just wants a light introduction to the drug.
[Apr 23,2010 2:24pm - brian_dc ""]
good point
[Apr 23,2010 3:03pm - arilliusbm ""]
This is normally a thread I'd post in, but fuck it.
Oh wait.
[Apr 23,2010 3:10pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
the whole thing
[Apr 23,2010 4:37pm - BlackoutRick ""]
AndrewBastard,%20$Version=1 said:Also: trip during the day in a nice bright sunny day away from people...like in the woods or a state park or some shit.
Hell yeah!! On a lake with my Bass Buggy and some weed reeling in some slabs!! Don't forget shades cuz those pupils are HUGE.
[Apr 23,2010 4:40pm - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
I prefer doing my ritual about it at nightfall.
[Apr 23,2010 4:44pm - arilliusbm ""]
For the record, if someone can get these extra lives, lemme know.
[Apr 23,2010 7:22pm - My_Dying_Bride ""]
MikeofdecrepitudE said:This is the month a true hero transmigrated into another consciousness. Hail McKenna.
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the purpleish background is the same type of pattern i see when i trip...the filter effect kinda
[Apr 26,2010 7:55am - Yeti ""]
i have an extremely reliable connection. i will inquire about the availability and let the appropriate people know.
[Apr 26,2010 8:30am - ouchdrummer ""]
Yeti said:i have an extremely reliable connection. i will inquire about the availability and let the appropriate people know.
yeah, me.
and call me about taking tea.