all about time signatures, polyrhthms, and hemiolas[views:11750][posts:71]________________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 10:05am - ProgMetalDrumr ""] This thread is to all of you who don't know what time signatures are. I'm going to teach you how to count quarters, 8th's and 16th's. I'll also go into how you can figure out polyrhthms very quickly even. Though you may not be able to play them at first, once you've learned this method all it takes is practicing. And in the end i will explain hemiolas and how to figure out the number of measures in which they take to match up at 1 again. Hope you Enjoy. |
| ______________________________ [Aug 4,2010 10:07am - blue ""] Hahahahahahahhah this is awesome. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 10:15am - SkinSandwich ""] Quit while you're not ahead. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 10:16am - FuckIsMySignature ""] TIME SIGNATURES?? HOW DOES THEY WORK!!!?! |
| _______________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 10:17am - boblovesmusic ""] bennyhillifier |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 10:20am - arilliusbm ""] This is all outdated jargon and meaningless in this age. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 10:29am - the_reverend ""] aril, I'm surprised at you. why are you so progressive on some things and antiquated on others? do you have a drum machine app for your iphone? |
| _______________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 10:29am - nekronautnli ""] Are you fucking kidding me dude? Here I thought you had learned your lesson and just dissapeared.. you must be a glutton for punishment |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 10:35am - arilliusbm ""] the_reverend said:aril, I'm surprised at you. why are you so progressive on some things and antiquated on others? do you have a drum machine app for your iphone? haha no I'll never stoop that low |
| _________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 10:43am - c.DeaD ""] [img] |
| _______________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 10:48am - boblovesmusic ""] bennyhillifier |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 10:51am - ProgMetalDrumr ""] First, the most basic, and most used time signature is the one you all probably only know. 4 4 this means there are four quarter notes in the time signature. the top number is how many, and bottom number represents what gets the beat. 2=halfs 4=quarters 8=8ths 16=16ths so when you listen to music you will most likely hear the snare hit on 2 and 4. 1(2)3(4) now for quarter time signatures you will only go up to 7 for now. really anything after that isn't really used because you can just cut it down. there are possible right ways of using them but we'll talk about that a little while later. you have: 3,4,5,6,7 4,4,4,4,4 4 4 you know, 5 4 you might not. just count like you normally would 4 but add that extra 1 to make 5. or add an extra 3 to make 7. it may feel a little weird at first but if you keep counting and listen to some examples then you will start to get the feeling. -----------3------6 now with 4 and 4 we have to change though here, this is where duple and triple take place. with duple your always counting 1+2+3+4+....... but with triple your counting 1+a2+a3+a4+a, meaning in between each note there can be either 2 or 3 pulses. ---------3 so with 4 you would be counting1(2)(3)1(2)(3). instead of 1(2)(3)(4)1(2)(3)(4)..... do you feel the difference? hopefully you do. --------------------------------------6 now the same concept applies to 4 except now you will be feeling 2 beats instead of 1. 1(2)(3)4(5)(6) 1(2)(3)4(5)(6). ----------------------------6 the wrong way to count 4 would be 1(2)3(4)5(6) 1(2)3(4)5(6) because you not doing triple anymore your doing duple. ----------------------------------------------------3 this way of counting is actually turning it into 2 -------------------------------2----8----------------------------------------------4 now the reason we dont do 4 or 4 is because its pretty much the same as 4, im not really going to get into that for confusion reasons. well that is your first lesson on time signatures go try them you might being staying in the time you do is very boring and now days makes music very generic. stay tuned for more where i talk about 8ths and will eventually work up to combining time signatures to make even more odd feels for music. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 10:52am - FuckIsMySignature ""] c.DeaD said:[img] say what you will about Slipknot but...Joey Jordison is actually pretty fuckin nasty. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 10:53am - FuckIsMySignature ""] ProgMetalDrumr said:First, the most basic, and most used time signature is the one you all probably only know. 4 4 this means there are four quarter notes in the time signature. the top number is how many, and bottom number represents what gets the beat. 2=halfs 4=quarters 8=8ths 16=16ths so when you listen to music you will most likely hear the snare hit on 2 and 4. 1(2)3(4) now for quarter time signatures you will only go up to 7 for now. really anything after that isn't really used because you can just cut it down. there are possible right ways of using them but we'll talk about that a little while later. you have: 3,4,5,6,7 4,4,4,4,4 4 5 4you know,4 you might not. just count like you normally would 4 but add that extra 1 to make 5. or add an extra 3 to make 7. it may feel a little weird at first but if you keep counting and listen to some examples then you will start to get the feeling. 3 6 now with 4 and 4 we have to change though here, this is where duple and triple take place. with duple your always counting 1+2+3+4+....... but with triple your counting 1+a2+a3+a4+a, meaning in between each note there can be either 2 or 3 pulses. 3 so with 4 you would be counting1(2)(3)1(2)(3). instead of 1(2)(3)(4)1(2)(3)(4)..... do you feel the difference? hopefully you do. 6 now the same concept applies to 4 except now you will be feeling 2 beats instead of 1. 1(2)(3)4(5)(6) 1(2)(3)4(5)(6). 6 the wrong way to count 4 would be 1(2)3(4)5(6) 1(2)3(4)5(6) because you not doing triple anymore your doing duple. 3 this way of counting is actually turning it into 2 2 8 4 now the reason we dont do 4 or 4 is because its pretty much the same as 4, im not really going to get into that for confusion reasons. well that is your first lesson on time signatures go try them you might being staying in the time you do is very boring and now days makes music very generic. stay tuned for more where i talk about 8ths and will eventually work up to combining time signatures to make even more odd feels for music. NOW I KNOW HOW TO PLAY MUSICS!!!! fuck yes! |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 10:53am - arilliusbm ""] wow this kid is so smart!!!!!!! he must make awesome music!!! |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 11:02am - josh_hates_you ""] ProgMetalDrumr said:First, the most basic, and most used time signature is the one you all probably only know. 4 4 this means there are four quarter notes in the time signature. the top number is how many, and bottom number represents what gets the beat. 2=halfs 4=quarters 8=8ths 16=16ths so when you listen to music you will most likely hear the snare hit on 2 and 4. 1(2)3(4) now for quarter time signatures you will only go up to 7 for now. really anything after that isn't really used because you can just cut it down. there are possible right ways of using them but we'll talk about that a little while later. you have: 3,4,5,6,7 4,4,4,4,4 4 4 you know, 5 4 you might not. just count like you normally would 4 but add that extra 1 to make 5. or add an extra 3 to make 7. it may feel a little weird at first but if you keep counting and listen to some examples then you will start to get the feeling. -------------3------6 now with 4 and 4 we have to change though here, this is where duple and triple take place. with duple your always counting 1+2+3+4+....... but with triple your counting 1+a2+a3+a4+a, meaning in between each note there can be either 2 or 3 pulses. ----------3 so with 4 you would be counting1(2)(3)1(2)(3). instead of 1(2)(3)(4)1(2)(3)(4)..... do you feel the difference? hopefully you do. ------------------------------------------6 now the same concept applies to 4 except now you will be feeling 2 beats instead of 1. 1(2)(3)4(5)(6) 1(2)(3)4(5)(6). -------------------------------6 the wrong way to count 4 would be 1(2)3(4)5(6) 1(2)3(4)5(6) because you not doing triple anymore your doing duple. ----------------------------------------------------------3 this way of counting is actually turning it into 2 -----------------------------------2-----8--------------------------------------------------4 now the reason we dont do 4 or 4 is because its pretty much the same as 4, im not really going to get into that for confusion reasons. well that is your first lesson on time signatures go try them you might being staying in the time you do is very boring and now days makes music very generic. stay tuned for more where i talk about 8ths and will eventually work up to combining time signatures to make even more odd feels for music. I have naked pictures of your girlfriend. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 11:03am - arilliusbm ""] LOL |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 11:06am - ProgMetalDrumr ""] ok there were some issues with how this spaces things, but i got all the time signatures lined up. hope your having fun with those numbers. PEACE |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 11:07am - the_reverend ""] arilliusbm said:wow this kid is so smart!!!!!!! he must make awesome music!!!I should make music then. It would be MIND BLOWING. |
| _______________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 11:18am - Alexecutioner ""] josh_hates_you said: ProgMetalDrumr said:First, the most basic, and most used time signature is the one you all probably only know. 4 4 this means there are four quarter notes in the time signature. the top number is how many, and bottom number represents what gets the beat. 2=halfs 4=quarters 8=8ths 16=16ths so when you listen to music you will most likely hear the snare hit on 2 and 4. 1(2)3(4) now for quarter time signatures you will only go up to 7 for now. really anything after that isn't really used because you can just cut it down. there are possible right ways of using them but we'll talk about that a little while later. you have: 3,4,5,6,7 4,4,4,4,4 4 4 you know, 5 4 you might not. just count like you normally would 4 but add that extra 1 to make 5. or add an extra 3 to make 7. it may feel a little weird at first but if you keep counting and listen to some examples then you will start to get the feeling. -------------3------6 now with 4 and 4 we have to change though here, this is where duple and triple take place. with duple your always counting 1+2+3+4+....... but with triple your counting 1+a2+a3+a4+a, meaning in between each note there can be either 2 or 3 pulses. ----------3 so with 4 you would be counting1(2)(3)1(2)(3). instead of 1(2)(3)(4)1(2)(3)(4)..... do you feel the difference? hopefully you do. ------------------------------------------6 now the same concept applies to 4 except now you will be feeling 2 beats instead of 1. 1(2)(3)4(5)(6) 1(2)(3)4(5)(6). -------------------------------6 the wrong way to count 4 would be 1(2)3(4)5(6) 1(2)3(4)5(6) because you not doing triple anymore your doing duple. ----------------------------------------------------------3 this way of counting is actually turning it into 2 -----------------------------------2-----8--------------------------------------------------4 now the reason we dont do 4 or 4 is because its pretty much the same as 4, im not really going to get into that for confusion reasons. well that is your first lesson on time signatures go try them you might being staying in the time you do is very boring and now days makes music very generic. stay tuned for more where i talk about 8ths and will eventually work up to combining time signatures to make even more odd feels for music. I have naked pictures of your girlfriend. WIN |
| _______________________________ [Aug 4,2010 11:19am - Pires ""] josh_hates_you said: ProgMetalDrumr said: I have naked pictures of your girlfriend. first and foremost, post them u won't. second, not sure if that IS his girlfriend: http://profiles.singlesnet.com/United%20St...assachusetts/Boston/hippie6769.html hippie6769 - Man Seeking Woman About me Im just a laidback guy, I dont care what I do, or where I hang out... Im not picky. I just want a girl to do it with. Im a hippie guy/ metal head....Lol, if that makes any sense. My hair is a little bit passed the middle of my back for those girls who dont like long hair, I hardly shave, sometimes its a goatee, sometimes I grow it out for a full beard..... Some girls like it some dont. But thats about it... Im just laidback, nice guy. My personality I like the following outdoor activities Other I consider myself artistic, and I like Musical instrument, Other I have the following pets Cat My lifestyle I smoke. I drink socially. My relationships My longest serious relationship lasted 2 years. I haven't yet married. I don't have any children I would consider dating someone who has children. My education and career I attended high school in Texas. I attended college in Massachusetts. My current occupation is: Student |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 11:37am - DestroyYouAlot ""] josh_hates_you said: ProgMetalDrumr said:First, the most basic, and most used time signature is the one you all probably only know. 4 4 this means there are four quarter notes in the time signature. the top number is how many, and bottom number represents what gets the beat. 2=halfs 4=quarters 8=8ths 16=16ths so when you listen to music you will most likely hear the snare hit on 2 and 4. 1(2)3(4) now for quarter time signatures you will only go up to 7 for now. really anything after that isn't really used because you can just cut it down. there are possible right ways of using them but we'll talk about that a little while later. you have: 3,4,5,6,7 4,4,4,4,4 4 4 you know, 5 4 you might not. just count like you normally would 4 but add that extra 1 to make 5. or add an extra 3 to make 7. it may feel a little weird at first but if you keep counting and listen to some examples then you will start to get the feeling. -------------3------6 now with 4 and 4 we have to change though here, this is where duple and triple take place. with duple your always counting 1+2+3+4+....... but with triple your counting 1+a2+a3+a4+a, meaning in between each note there can be either 2 or 3 pulses. ----------3 so with 4 you would be counting1(2)(3)1(2)(3). instead of 1(2)(3)(4)1(2)(3)(4)..... do you feel the difference? hopefully you do. ------------------------------------------6 now the same concept applies to 4 except now you will be feeling 2 beats instead of 1. 1(2)(3)4(5)(6) 1(2)(3)4(5)(6). -------------------------------6 the wrong way to count 4 would be 1(2)3(4)5(6) 1(2)3(4)5(6) because you not doing triple anymore your doing duple. ----------------------------------------------------------3 this way of counting is actually turning it into 2 -----------------------------------2-----8--------------------------------------------------4 now the reason we dont do 4 or 4 is because its pretty much the same as 4, im not really going to get into that for confusion reasons. well that is your first lesson on time signatures go try them you might being staying in the time you do is very boring and now days makes music very generic. stay tuned for more where i talk about 8ths and will eventually work up to combining time signatures to make even more odd feels for music. I have naked pictures of your girlfriend. My man. Knew you wouldn't disappoint on this one. LOLOLOL |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 11:44am - goatcatalyst ""] Do a paradiddle about it, nigger. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 11:45am - goatcatalyst ""] Just came out of N-word retirement for that one. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 12:00pm - arilliusbm ""] I think ProgMetalDrumr represents everything I hate about Dream Theater fans and egotistical Berklee schmuks. He's also a pseudo-hippie, which is equally as bad. The one thing he's got going for him is he's one ugly motherfucker. |
| _____________________________ [Aug 4,2010 1:32pm - blue ""] I'm really eager to hear all the music this impressively educated man has created. Feel free to post links to your vast catalog. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 1:34pm - arilliusbm ""] Invite him to Cynic, you won't. |
| _______________________________ [Aug 4,2010 3:21pm - mutis ""] ∞ 4 is the only time signature |
| _________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 3:26pm - Archaeon ""] I love people who have to be taught what time signatures are out of a book. Just fucking figure them out. Nigga ain't progressive. |
| _________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 3:29pm - ShadowSD ""] The essence of rhythm is that it requires feeling, not writing mathematical equations. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 3:46pm - substitutecreature ""] I don't see anything about blast beats in your training. |
| ________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 5:30pm - sxealex ""] bennyhillifier |
| ________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 5:33pm - sxealex ""] ps another one of mike mangini's students: bennyhillifier |
| _________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 5:47pm - Archaeon ""] oh shit blast beats. |
| _____________________________ [Aug 4,2010 5:48pm - Lamp ""] Can't take it, never could Time to end it, wish you would Friends and family, they're all gone Life for you is just a con Dig yourself a hole in the ground Push up daisies six feet down Take a dirt nap, buy the farm Inject a bubble in your arm [CHORUS] Kill yourself, kill yourself Why don't you kill yourself Don't rely on no one else End it all just kill yourself Life is just a one way ticket Everyone must go around Here's a bucket go and kick it Slit your wrists without a sound When you fo don't make a big deal No dramatics, don't overplay Cause don't you know that we'll all fell Better once you've gone away [CHORUS-MOSH PART] You're a loser, there's nothing left for you A worthless loser, at everything you do |
| _________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 5:53pm - Archaeon ""] This is now an SOD appressh thread. |
| _____________________________ [Aug 4,2010 6:23pm - Lamp ""] Agreed. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 6:29pm - arilliusbm ""] Thirded. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 6:43pm - nekronautnli ""] ...You're dead! |
| _____________________________ [Aug 4,2010 7:03pm - Lamp ""] DIAMONDS! ...and rust |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 7:06pm - arilliusbm ""] HEY GORDY GIVE ME A SHOT .....BLEEARG |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 7:07pm - arilliusbm ""] such a great fucking album. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 7:40pm - arilliusbm ""] bennyhillifier |
| ________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 7:45pm - reimroc ""] I haven't given time signatures a whole hell of a lot of thought since 2007, the last time I marched in a drumline. |
| ________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 7:50pm - t2daeek ""] wait.... how do i fit 5 in 4? ask frank zappa. he's dead? oh... well, then shut the fuck up. it's funny how people who get too into prog seem to have a recessive gene. that means nothing ever goes anywhere. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 4,2010 10:15pm - immortal13 ""] immortal13 said:I think I wanna start a band with this kid just so I can call him a douche and quit. |
| _______________________________ [Aug 5,2010 9:26am - M nli ""] kinda surprised at all the time sig hate when this board chupa el pene del tech death |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 5,2010 9:33am - arilliusbm ""] I'd still like to know why this kid has prog in his name when he only listens to DT and no other prog. I'd also like to know why he's a self-proclaimed hippie yet cannot spell Led Zeppelin. He's on a mission to prove he's the best musician around simply because he studies the mathematical attributes of organized sonic waves at a (formerly) prestigious music school. No samples or anything. There's just some people in the world that just don't make sense. |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 5,2010 9:58am - largefreakatzero ""] ITT: copypasta from Berklee text books. So how about the naked girlfriend pics? Please POAST. |
| ______________________________ [Aug 5,2010 10:49am - Yeti ""] PANDEMONIC HYPERBLASTS OR GTFO |
| ______________________________ [Aug 5,2010 11:25am - blue ""] M%20nli said:kinda surprised at all the time sig hate when this board chupa el pene del tech death I took assloads of theory courses along with participating in a bunch of various musical ensembles in my day, but you don't see me acting like a pompous douchebag trying to ' enlighten these poor uneducated folks' do you? No one cares about your knowledge. Post some examples of the well crafted creations you've composed or you're a douche with no musical merit. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Aug 5,2010 11:41am - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] blue said: M%20nli said:kinda surprised at all the time sig hate when this board chupa el pene del tech death I took assloads of theory courses along with participating in a bunch of various musical ensembles in my day, but you don't see me acting like a pompous douchebag trying to ' enlighten these poor uneducated folks' do you? No one cares about your knowledge. Post some examples of the well crafted creations you've composed or you're a douche with no musical merit. haha exactly my situation. Just because nobody is going around preaching all the shit they know doesn't mean they aren't educated on the subject. This guy is a fucking douchebag. |
| ________________________________ [Aug 5,2010 11:58am - M nli ""] menstrual_sweatpants_disco said: blue said: M%20nli said:kinda surprised at all the time sig hate when this board chupa el pene del tech death I took assloads of theory courses along with participating in a bunch of various musical ensembles in my day, but you don't see me acting like a pompous douchebag trying to ' enlighten these poor uneducated folks' do you? No one cares about your knowledge. Post some examples of the well crafted creations you've composed or you're a douche with no musical merit. haha exactly my situation. Just because nobody is going around preaching all the shit they know doesn't mean they aren't educated on the subject. This guy is a fucking douchebag. Well I hate time signatures and you guys are just pompous douchebags. |
| ________________________________ [Aug 5,2010 11:58am - M nli ""] sm over 9000 |
| _______________________________________ [Aug 5,2010 12:27pm - Alexecutioner ""] menstrual_sweatpants_disco said: blue said: M%20nli said:kinda surprised at all the time sig hate when this board chupa el pene del tech death I took assloads of theory courses along with participating in a bunch of various musical ensembles in my day, but you don't see me acting like a pompous douchebag trying to ' enlighten these poor uneducated folks' do you? No one cares about your knowledge. Post some examples of the well crafted creations you've composed or you're a douche with no musical merit. haha exactly my situation. Just because nobody is going around preaching all the shit they know doesn't mean they aren't educated on the subject. This guy is a fucking douchebag. thats 99% of berklee students for ya. always bragging "ive studied with (insert pompous douche of a teacher) which makes me better at (insert instrument here) than you!" |
| _____________________________ [Aug 5,2010 1:18pm - Yeti ""] i went to Berklee to learn more about screaming about rape theory. [img] |
| __________________________________ [Aug 5,2010 1:58pm - narkybark ""] doctor who went to berklee? nigga gets around. |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 5,2010 2:37pm - frogmettledumber ""] Inca Roads has some parts in 7/8. SONG SUCKS NEEDS MORE 4/4 CHUGZ |
| ____________________________________________ [Aug 5,2010 4:54pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] M%20nli said:kinda surprised at all the time sig hate when this board chupa el pene del tech death No one's hating on time signatures; everyone's hating a on a dumb shit trying to be cool because he knows how to write out proper time signatures. |
| _______________________________________ [Aug 5,2010 7:19pm - My_Dying_Bride ""] this is now a Genesis thread bennyhillifier bennyhillifier fuck what ya heard 'bout time signatures... Phil is filthy! |
| _______________________________ [Aug 6,2010 9:24am - mutis ""] Yeah yeah its good and all giving him shit for being a douche, but I think it's funny that he's trying to teach us shit which you'd learn in the first week of advanced classes. There's gotta be a bigger word than "douche". |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 6,2010 9:30am - SkinSandwich ""] Tyrannical Douche. |
| _______________________________ [Aug 6,2010 9:41am - burnsy ""] Meglodouche |
| _______________________________ [Aug 6,2010 9:41am - mutis ""] Polydouche. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 27,2012 9:55am - arilliusbm ""] Bump |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 27,2012 11:39am - narkybark ""] Paradiddladouche |
| _______________________________ [Mar 27,2012 12:45pm - Yeti ""] heliofightsdouche |
| ______________________________ [Mar 27,2012 3:13pm - Lamp ""] bennyhillifier |
| ______________________________ [Mar 27,2012 3:19pm - Yeti ""] that was unbelievably stupid. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 27,2012 3:27pm - josh_hates_you ""] I still have naked pics of this douches girlfriend. If i can find the proper cable to connect my old phone to a usb port (it has an awkward sized plug) I have video of her doing naked jumping jacks too. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 27,2012 3:29pm - Alx_Casket ""] I heard a rumor she has huge hemiolas. Deny/confirm? |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 27,2012 8:52pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] hahahahaha |