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Oneiric Realm Demo

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[Sep 2,2010 1:44am - burnsy ""]
Our demo is available for download here:

http://www.zshare.net/download/79930141c563bf86/

Hope you enjoy it.
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[Sep 2,2010 1:47am - arilliusbm ""]
Excellent
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[Sep 2,2010 2:33am - randy mash  ""]
fucccckkiinnn aaaaa
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[Sep 2,2010 2:58am - nekronaut ""]
bummed that I missed you guys, especially after getting home an listening to the demo.. really appreciate it..

p.s. blue: if you're ever up for a little nachzehrer session in the future let's talk!
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[Sep 2,2010 4:39am - josh_hates_you ""]
took forever to download the wav files. sounds awesome.

converted to mp3 192 kbs.....sounds terrible. not sure if its the converter i used or if the tracks need to be mastered or something. just letting you know.
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[Sep 2,2010 4:50am - nekronaut ""]
didn't listen to it streaming but the cd sounds killer
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[Sep 2,2010 4:57am - randy mash  ""]
yeah i noticed they were .wav files...what kind of converter did you use josh? was it a trial?
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[Sep 2,2010 7:18am - Alexecutioner ""]
awesome, gonna download this when i get home, but would love to grab a physical copy from you guys at one of your next shows
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[Sep 2,2010 7:43am - blue ""]
Hope people are digging it. The music rules, and I'm pretty happy with how it sounds considering its the first recording I've ever done that wasn't a half assed demo for my own bands.



nekronaut said:p.s. blue: if you're ever up for a little nachzehrer session in the future let's talk!


I would definitely be down, you guys are sweet. Hit me up when you're ready.


josh_hates_you said:converted to mp3 192 kbs.....sounds terrible. not sure if its the converter i used or if the tracks need to be mastered or something. just letting you know.


The songs were definitely mastered, not sure what's up with that.
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[Sep 2,2010 8:34am - Slag NLI  ""]
Not to step on blue's toes or anything, but I would be capable and interested in mastering these recordings. Anyone who has heard my work know that it will make a difference.
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[Sep 2,2010 9:01am - al davis  ""]
Like the music--but something is up. Maybe you guys should shop around, use the Slag or others on the next go around.

"Just win baby."
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[Sep 2,2010 9:15am - arktouros ""]
downloading.
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[Sep 2,2010 9:34am - Randy_Marsh ""]
were gonna focus on writing together as band more and get a few newer songs hopefully to keep finding our sound and do a full length with seans gear.
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[Sep 2,2010 9:34am - sinistas ""]
Any chance for a download mirror? zshare keeps timing out on me.
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[Sep 2,2010 9:35am - Slag NLI  ""]

Slag%20NLI said:Not to step on blue's toes or anything, but I would be capable and interested in mastering these recordings. Anyone who has heard my work know that it will make a difference.


Let me clarify, I am only offering to help as I've been doing this for awhile. It is important to have a different set of ears, so I believe in having a different person master than the person that mixed it. I can help you bring it to the next level, if you want. No disrespect to anyone.
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[Sep 2,2010 9:38am - Randy_Marsh ""]

Slag%20NLI said:
Slag%20NLI said:Not to step on blue's toes or anything, but I would be capable and interested in mastering these recordings. Anyone who has heard my work know that it will make a difference.


Let me clarify, I am only offering to help as I've been doing this for awhile. It is important to have a different set of ears, so I believe in having a different person master than the person that mixed it. I can help you bring it to the next level, if you want. No disrespect to anyone.



i think well be set for now, it was just so we got recordings done.
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[Sep 2,2010 9:39am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
great great awesome great
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[Sep 2,2010 9:58am - blue ""]

Slag%20NLI said:
Slag%20NLI said:Not to step on blue's toes or anything, but I would be capable and interested in mastering these recordings. Anyone who has heard my work know that it will make a difference.


Let me clarify, I am only offering to help as I've been doing this for awhile. It is important to have a different set of ears, so I believe in having a different person master than the person that mixed it. I can help you bring it to the next level, if you want. No disrespect to anyone.



No disrespect taken. But a different set of ears in fact did master them. The Blackness Monster himself Eliot Bayless did the mastering. He is relatively new to it but I knew he could do a much better job than I.
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[Sep 2,2010 10:10am - Slag NLI  ""]
I forgot you have Eliot in your camp. Do you have a studio that you record at?
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[Sep 2,2010 10:10am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
blue - was that recording i heard mastered or unmastered?
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[Sep 2,2010 10:30am - al davis  ""]
Yes, plz clarify..
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[Sep 2,2010 10:53am - burnsy ""]

FuckIsMySignature said:blue - was that recording i heard mastered or unmastered?


Must've been the unmastered because we didn't get the mastered until yesterday afternoon.


sinistas said:Any chance for a download mirror? zshare keeps timing out on me.


I'm working on getting these into other downloadable formats now. The wav are a bit too large to be practical anyways. If you wanna hear the tracks before getting a copy of them, you can check them out on our myspace.
http://www.myspace.com/oneiricrealmmusic
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[Sep 2,2010 10:53am - blue ""]

Slag%20NLI said:I forgot you have Eliot in your camp. Do you have a studio that you record at?


Nope, I just go to wherever the band practices.



FuckIsMySignature said:blue - was that recording i heard mastered or unmastered?


The stuff you listened to in mah cah was the unmastered stuff.
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[Sep 2,2010 10:55am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
wow and even that sounded great. def cant wait to check out Eliots further blackening of the already blackened blackness.
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[Sep 2,2010 11:02am - josh_hates_you ""]
listening to the myspace. those mp3s sound fine.

I used whatever freeware program it was.............first time using that converter. it was making the kick drum do this popping thing.
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[Sep 2,2010 11:05am - blue ""]

al%20davis said:Like the music--but something is up. Maybe you guys should shop around, use the Slag or others on the next go around.


Rough demo is rough. Don't confuse the stuff I do as legit studio recordings, because they are the farthest thing from that possible.
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[Sep 2,2010 11:12am - Slag NLI  ""]

josh_hates_you said:listening to the myspace. those mp3s sound fine.

I used whatever freeware program it was.............first time using that converter. it was making the kick drum do this popping thing.




Just for clarification: I do believe I know what the problem is. When in .wav format, any peaks that are clipping (above +0dbs, generally in the red) will not cause the artifact you speak of.... however when converted to mp3, it will cause the artifact of clipping/popping anytime the signal rises above that limit.
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[Sep 2,2010 11:16am - boblovesmusic ""]
Cus I'm a dork hehe

Oneiric Realm on the Metal Archives
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[Sep 2,2010 11:19am - josh_hates_you ""]

boblovesmusic said:Cus I'm a dork hehe

Oneiric Realm on the Metal Archives



we need you to do that for us when we actually record something.........someday........
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[Sep 2,2010 11:19am - boblovesmusic ""]

josh_hates_you said:
boblovesmusic said:Cus I'm a dork hehe

Oneiric Realm on the Metal Archives



we need you to do that for us when we actually record something.........someday........



I'm waiting...
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[Sep 2,2010 11:35am - blue ""]

josh_hates_you said:
boblovesmusic said:Cus I'm a dork hehe

Oneiric Realm on the Metal Archives



we need you to do that for us when we actually record something.........someday........



I can't even count how many times I've told you that ill record you guys.
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[Sep 2,2010 12:13pm - josh_hates_you ""]
blue, pm sent.


I have listened to this demo about 7 times in a row now this morning. good stuff. Can't wait to play with Oneiric Realm again. Oct. 16th. Do it.
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[Sep 2,2010 12:52pm - burnsy ""]
Hell yeah, man. O'Briens is gonna be awesome.

Also, mp3 versions of the tracks are now available for free download from our last.fm page. http://www.last.fm/music/Oneiric+Realm

Excuse the weird track names haha. Those were just guitar riffs I wrote and forgot to turn off the scrobbling. Don't how to get rid of those. Oh well.
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[Sep 2,2010 1:57pm - Alx_Casket ""]
Ah, I ripped the demo cd last night to V0 mp3, with proper tags.

DOWNLOAD
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[Sep 2,2010 2:09pm - burnsy nli  ""]
Thank you kindly, good sir!
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[Sep 2,2010 2:11pm - DreadKill ""]
i am listening right now. the clean vocals in "imbibing ignorance and Realization" remind me of classic Garm.

These songs = WIN

Lack of a "Gimme some cigarettes!" sample at the beginning or end of the demo = FAIL.
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[Sep 2,2010 2:23pm - burnsy ""]
Thanks very much dude. I had a feeling you'd dig our stuff.

I think we're gonna have to save the sample for the full length lol. I'd say a "mothafucka be nice" is in order.
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[Sep 2,2010 2:26pm - bornoffire ""]
Nice work...
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[Sep 2,2010 2:30pm - sinistas ""]
The clean vocals are killer.
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[Sep 2,2010 4:11pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""]
The music is great so far

The kick is doing weird things on my speakers. Kinda smacky, not sure if it's a good thing

The vocals are rad

The band name is terrible

Will check these dudes out live.
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[Sep 2,2010 4:16pm - Alx_Casket ""]

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:
The kick is doing weird things on my speakers. Kinda smacky, not sure if it's a good thing



[img]

1) Blue produces your demo
2) Wet meat slapping you in the face
3) Bass drum meat fountain explodes
4) Profit.
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[Sep 2,2010 4:17pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:

The band name is terrible




i might agree with this unless i'm conviced by a cool meaning for the name. CONVINCE ME NAOOO.
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[Sep 2,2010 4:41pm - DreadKill ""]
the name basically means dream world or dream state. pretty cool i'd say!
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[Sep 2,2010 4:44pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
Smoking Babby Approves

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[Sep 2,2010 5:30pm - Randy_Marsh ""]
i like the name because it is relative to our writing process at times...haha...staying up in a catatonic state half asleep writing music.
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[Sep 2,2010 5:40pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
whats the proper pronounciation?
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[Sep 2,2010 5:44pm - burnsy nli  ""]
Oh..... Nye???!!! Rick. lol
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[Sep 2,2010 5:47pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
Bill Nye The Realm Guy?
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[Sep 2,2010 5:48pm - burnsy nli  ""]
and dreadkill, summed it up perfectly. nicely done good sir. Mike, I'm not sure what ya mean. I've been rather alert when concocting these tasty licks, riffs and turnarounds.
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[Sep 2,2010 5:49pm - burnsy nli  ""]
Billnyerick Phlegm
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[Sep 2,2010 5:59pm - Randy_Marsh ""]

burnsy%20nli said:and dreadkill, summed it up perfectly. nicely done good sir. Mike, I'm not sure what ya mean. I've been rather alert when concocting these tasty licks, riffs and turnarounds.



hard drugs and smoke a ton of weed then writing riffs is pretty real.
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[Sep 2,2010 6:03pm - burnsy nli  ""]

Randy_Marsh said:
burnsy%20nli said:and dreadkill, summed it up perfectly. nicely done good sir. Mike, I'm not sure what ya mean. I've been rather alert when concocting these tasty licks, riffs and turnarounds.



hard drugs and smoke a ton of weed then writing riffs is pretty real.



Fail
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[Sep 2,2010 6:25pm - DreadKill ""]
only smoking cigarettes is real.
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[Sep 2,2010 6:27pm - burnsy nli  ""]
Fact
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[Sep 2,2010 6:29pm - Randy_Marsh ""]
only pure spaced out hatred is real.
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[Sep 2,2010 7:04pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""]

Randy_Marsh said:only pure spaced out hatred is real.
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[Sep 3,2010 12:37am - Alx_Casket ""]
only wet meat hitting you in the ear 8 times per second is real
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[Sep 3,2010 10:10am - ark  ""]
everything sounds great. some of the riffs sound like aeternus, there are enslaved-style grooves and awesome straight mid-pace and fast blasts thrown in. i love this style. "of gravity and decay" around the 2 minute mark is devastating. the drums sound real and huge and the guitar sound is excellent, good work. i can see how the high punch of the kick might make some speakers angry and i wish the vocals were higher. one of the most promising demos i've heard in a long while.
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[Sep 3,2010 10:13am - arilliusbm ""]
I listened last night.. Really promising stuff.
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[Sep 3,2010 12:30pm - burnsy ""]
Thanks for the thoughtful review, ark. We're very happy with all the feedback this has gotten.
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[Sep 3,2010 1:30pm - Aegathis ""]

DreadKill said:only smoking cigarettes is real.


Only being nice is real
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[Sep 3,2010 1:37pm - burnsy nli  ""]

Aegathis said:
DreadKill said:only smoking cigarettes is real.


Only being nice is real



Only motherfuckers are real.
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[Sep 3,2010 1:41pm - Aegathis ""]
Being awesome all the time is not real
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[Sep 3,2010 1:42pm - burnsy nli  ""]
Bitches being so hot you'll fucking kill them > life itself.
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[Sep 3,2010 1:45pm - Aegathis ""]
well spoken
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[Sep 3,2010 5:00pm - Beorht-Dana ""]
Yeah not too crazy about the kick sound, or how high it is in the mix, but musically this is pretty badass. Can't wait to see you guys live again.

Also, hooray for bands doing online releases with full-quality .wav files. I don't care if it takes me 20 minutes to download it, I'm sick of shitty sounding mp3s.
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[Sep 4,2010 12:01pm - RichHorror ""]
I dunno, sounds pretty god damn good to me.
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[Sep 4,2010 12:14pm - burnsy ""]
I understand the issues with the kick drum. On the laptop speakers, it gets a little distorted but I have bose speakers in my car and it sounds pretty killer.
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[Sep 4,2010 3:06pm - blue ""]
I'm sawwy, I just wanted the kick to have a good audible click to it. Its the death metaller in me I guess. Sad panda.
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[Sep 4,2010 3:44pm - burnsy nli  ""]
I think it sounds awesome. Like alx said, wet meat. Yeahhhh.
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[Sep 4,2010 4:57pm - MillenialKingdom ""]
Those Myspace tracks were incredible. I shared you guys on another board I post on.
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[Sep 4,2010 5:29pm - burnsy nli  ""]
Thanks very much, dude.
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[Feb 13,2011 10:01pm - josh_hates_you ""]
These songs randomly pop up on random shuffle mixes when I'm at my computer. So fucking good.
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[Feb 23,2012 11:13am - Burnsy ""]
Never saw that bump. Thanks, Josh.

Anyway, I figured I might as well bump this here. I'm working on brand new material that's much more hatefuck than the Enslaved-y sort of sound we were going for previously. I want to start playing live again and am looking for second guitar, bass and drums. Yes, I am back to playing guitar. Fuck just doing vocals. Anyone interested, reply here or e-mail me at oneiric_realm at yahoo dawt com and I can send you some of the stuff I've been working on so you can gauge your interest.

For those of you that don't know me, I'm located on the South Shore. I have a vehicle and am willing to commute for practice for people with the right level of dedication.
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[Feb 23,2012 11:17am - RustyPS ""]
Could you re-up the demo?
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[Feb 23,2012 11:19am - Burnsy ""]
Download
Should still be able to get it here. Lemme know if it's not there anymore.
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[Feb 23,2012 11:21am - arilliusbm ""]
WTF

good luck man
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[Feb 23,2012 11:24am - RustyPS ""]

Burnsy said:Download
Should still be able to get it here. Lemme know if it's not there anymore.

Thanks dude. I'll check the link when I get home tonight and let you know if it worked.
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[Feb 23,2012 4:00pm - Burnsy ""]
Even if no one here is interested, please pass the word along to parties who you think may be interested. Recording in my room by myself is getting old, gotta play this shit with people.
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[Feb 23,2012 4:09pm - arktouros ""]

Burnsy said:Yes, I am back to playing guitar. Fuck just doing vocals.
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[Feb 23,2012 4:09pm - arktouros ""]
GOOD MAN^^
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[Feb 23,2012 4:10pm - arilliusbm ""]
That is not mathematically accurate.
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[Feb 23,2012 4:11pm - Alx_Casket ""]
I'll try to spread the word, I know of a few people not far from you that may be interested.
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[Feb 23,2012 4:12pm - Burnsy ""]
Haha. Someone should've smacked me for putting the guitar down.
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[Feb 23,2012 4:15pm - arilliusbm ""]
When I found out you put the geet down, I was dumbfounded. You're good at it and have great compositional skills.
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[Feb 23,2012 4:16pm - dreadkill ""]

arilliusbm said:When I found out you out the geet down I was dumbfounded. You're good at it and have great compositional skills.
i was dumbfounded too. i'm glad OR is coming back.
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[Feb 23,2012 4:17pm - Alx_Casket ""]
I've been meaning to share this pic that posbleak took of the last show I played with you, dunno if you ever saw this:
[img]
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[Feb 23,2012 4:17pm - Burnsy ""]
Cheers, Alx.

Thanks, Jim. Doing just vocals was an idea we had to boost the energy of live performances. It just felt awkward though having two power metal guitarists playing stuff I wrote while I screamed like an asshole.
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[Feb 23,2012 4:18pm - Burnsy ""]
I haven't seen that, Alx. Great pic. I'll put it up on my faceb... oh.
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[Feb 23,2012 4:24pm - posbleak nli  ""]
But wait, there's more:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/demozthenes/sets/72157626890333644/

Sorry I'm kind of a crappy photog :\
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[Feb 23,2012 4:37pm - Burnsy ""]
That link is giving me a hard time, pos.
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[Feb 23,2012 4:42pm - posbleak nli  ""]
I think Flickr is down/slow, try again in a few I guess
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[Feb 23,2012 4:44pm - Burnsy ""]
Okie doke!
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[Feb 23,2012 4:49pm - Mark_R ""]

Alx_Casket said:I've been meaning to share this pic that posbleak took of the last show I played with you, dunno if you ever saw this:
[img]



is that the Eden head you're selling back there?
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[Feb 23,2012 4:50pm - Alx_Casket ""]
Yep, that's the one.
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[Feb 23,2012 5:24pm - Yeti ""]
i'm glad to hear you are on guitar again Slurmsy. long live.
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[Feb 23,2012 5:36pm - Burnsy ""]
Cheers, man. I remember you at the last metal Thursday we played saying, "NEEDZ MOAR BURNS ON GUITAR."
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[Feb 23,2012 8:54pm - RustyPS ""]

Burnsy said:Download
Should still be able to get it here. Lemme know if it's not there anymore.

The file was deleted from all of those sites.
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[Feb 23,2012 10:26pm - Burnsy ""]
WWW.HIPSTER.GOV
This should work, man. If not, I can just send it to you illegally.
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[Feb 24,2012 2:03am - josh_hates_you ""]
If I wasn't already in multiple projects I'd be down to jam. Really dug the OR stuff.
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[Feb 24,2012 12:08pm - Burnsy ""]
Thanks, Josh. The material I'm writing is a lot different. It's getting faster, uglier and more intense.

BUMP
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[Feb 24,2012 12:09pm - arilliusbm ""]

josh_hates_you said:If I wasn't already in multiple projects I'd be down to jam. Really dug the OR stuff.
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[Feb 24,2012 12:10pm - arilliusbm ""]
ITT: CONBINE BANDS
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[Feb 24,2012 12:11pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
[img]
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[Feb 24,2012 12:15pm - Alx_Casket ""]
If I wasn't already in the band and then kicked out for being curvy, I'd be down.
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[Feb 24,2012 12:16pm - Burnsy ""]
Fuck that, I'm the curviest of them all.
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[Feb 24,2012 12:19pm - Alx_Casket ""]
[img]
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[Feb 24,2012 12:25pm - RustyPS ""]
1) Change name to Oneiric Realm of Curvy Broads
2) Recreate Electric Ladyland album cover with curvy broads:
[img]

3) ???????????????????
4) Profit.
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[Feb 24,2012 12:31pm - Burnsy ""]
[img]
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[Feb 24,2012 1:48pm - trioxin_245 ""]
so basically this thread should be "black metal guitarist seeks band" haha
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[Feb 24,2012 1:51pm - Burnsy ""]
Yup. I figured I'd just bump the initial post.
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[Feb 24,2012 1:52pm - trioxin_245 ""]
I would do it but I can't afford to drive to worcester :(
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[Feb 24,2012 1:53pm - Burnsy ""]
I'm from the South Shore, guy.
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[Feb 24,2012 1:54pm - arilliusbm ""]

Burnsy said:I'm from the Christo's, guy.
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[Feb 24,2012 1:57pm - Burnsy ""]
LOL

The real issue about location is who ends up playing drums and whether they wanna get a space around here or if they already have a space where we can move in.
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[Feb 24,2012 1:59pm - trioxin_245 ""]
I will play slars drums.
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[Feb 24,2012 2:02pm - slar you serious?  ""]

trioxin_245 said:I will play slars drums.


fuck you ross you still owe me
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[Feb 24,2012 2:18pm - trioxin_245 ""]

trioxin_245 said:I will play slars drums.

I will do it nine times.
[img]
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[Feb 24,2012 2:21pm - trioxin_245 ""]

slar%20you%20serious? said:
trioxin_245 said:I will play slars drums.


fuck you ross you still owe me



it's not my fault you chose being with family over doing blow til 4am in the practice space. Next time, make the right choice.

Make the right decision kids. Always choose drugs.

[img]
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[Feb 25,2012 12:19pm - Burnsy ""]
Haha you play drums, Ross?
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[Feb 25,2012 1:58pm - trioxin 245nli  ""]
I try to. I'm no drummer though, and I couldn't handle OR stuff.
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[Feb 25,2012 2:54pm - Burnsy ""]
Gotcha.
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[Mar 11,2012 8:15pm - Burnsy ""]
"Why the fuck not" bump.
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[Mar 11,2012 8:17pm - arilliusbm ""]
<3
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[Mar 11,2012 8:18pm - Burnsy ""]
:-*
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[Mar 11,2012 8:21pm - arilliusbm ""]
That just crosses the line.
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[Mar 11,2012 8:24pm - Burnsy ""]
You're just covering your ass in case Valkyrie screams gets jealous.
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[Mar 11,2012 11:43pm - Alx_Casket ""]
http://hahgay.com/

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