Shagrath Of DIMMU BORGIR Proclaims "We Are Not Black Metal"[views:79737][posts:68]______________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 10:45am - the_reverend ""] Shagrath Of DIMMU BORGIR Proclaims "We Are Not Black Metal" Hank Pearl of The Daily Rock (http://www.thedailyrock.com) chats after a performance at the House of Blues Chicago, with Shagrath, leadman for Norway's own DIMMU BORGIR. During the interview Shagrath reveals plans to tour Australia and Japan in the coming months and divulges information on recording a live album, shot in a castle, with full symphony accompaniment. He also proclaims “We [Dimmu Borgir] are not black metal". Interview & performance photos: http://www.thedailyrock.com/2011/01/06/int...with-dimmu-borgir-leadman-shagrath/ youtube videos: Part1: bennyhillifier Part 2: bennyhillifier |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 10:45am - the_reverend ""] which cenobite was this guy? |
| ______________________________ [Jan 6,2011 10:47am - Yeti ""] FINALLY. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 10:49am - arkquimanthorn ""] ITT: another black metal band says they're not black metal also, dimmu's new album is surprisingly good. i downloaded it at yeti's insistence and it rules. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 10:51am - FuckIsMySignature ""] they've said this multiple times throughout the years. i think they like to be refered to as "extreme metal" |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 10:54am - Alx_Casket ""] [img] Such a wishy-washy term. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 10:54am - arkquimanthorn ""] HATED also enjoys that title. you're black metal if you sound like black metal. it doesn't matter if your chinese or christian, or if you use keyboards or disney soundtrack samples. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 11:00am - DestroyYouAlot ""] "Duh", proclaims anyone who knows anything about anything. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 11:01am - Alx_Casket ""] I think we're all more intrigued to know when DYA will finally admit that Galder is actually a blood relative of his... |
| ______________________________ [Jan 6,2011 12:41pm - Yeti ""] arkquimanthorn said:ITT: another black metal band says they're not black metal also, dimmu's new album is surprisingly good. i downloaded it at yeti's insistence and it rules. i'm glad you gave it a chance, it's not some masterpiece by any means, but i really feel like they breathed some new life into their sound. it seems like they finally accepted that they are the running joke of "black metal" and decided to embrace the ridiculous theatrics instead of trying to reinvent something. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 6,2011 12:41pm - Yeti ""] however i still think the layout, photos, and costumes are super gay. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 12:45pm - thesacnli ""] arkquimanthorn said:HATED also enjoys that title. you're black metal if you sound like black metal. it doesn't matter if your chinese or christian, or if you use keyboards or disney soundtrack samples. so many things wrong with this |
| ________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 12:49pm - burnsy ""] thesacnli said: arkquimanthorn said:HATED also enjoys that title. you're black metal if you sound like black metal. it doesn't matter if your chinese or christian, or if you use keyboards or disney soundtrack samples. Truth Fixed |
| _______________________________ [Jan 6,2011 12:51pm - aril ""] Black metal is dead. 1994 called and wants their genre back |
| ______________________________ [Jan 6,2011 12:52pm - Yeti ""] keep it off my wave, keep it off my wave, my wave. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 6,2011 1:01pm - burnsy ""] ITT: aril:black metal::nas:hip-hop |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 1:50pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] Yeti said: arkquimanthorn said:ITT: another black metal band says they're not black metal also, dimmu's new album is surprisingly good. i downloaded it at yeti's insistence and it rules. i'm glad you gave it a chance, it's not some masterpiece by any means, but i really feel like they breathed some new life into their sound. it seems like they finally accepted that they are the running joke of "black metal" and decided to embrace the ridiculous theatrics instead of trying to reinvent something. i thought you only listened to Cradle of Filth? |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 2:36pm - arkquimanthorn ""] thesacnli said: arkquimanthorn said:HATED also enjoys that title. you're black metal if you sound like black metal. it doesn't matter if your chinese or christian, or if you use keyboards or disney soundtrack samples. so many things wrong with this whether it's trve or not is up to you, but if a band SOUNDS like they're playing black metal, what the fuck else would you call it? |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 2:41pm - goatcatalyst ""] Black Metal is Devil Worship |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 2:43pm - Hugo dong ""] arkquimanthorn said: thesacnli said: arkquimanthorn said:HATED also enjoys that title. you're black metal if you sound like black metal. it doesn't matter if your chinese or christian, or if you use keyboards or disney soundtrack samples. so many things wrong with this whether it's trve or not is up to you, but if a band SOUNDS like they're playing black metal, what the fuck else would you call it? Thesac always has something to say about everything but rarely is that something substantive. Then again his band is the only true band around so obviously he must know what he's talking about. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 6,2011 2:57pm - aril ""] black metal has progressed as far as it possibly could. it is a dead genre (in terms of originality) but ark is right. There's no other label that describes bands that sound like it. it is what is is. metal is still progressing as a whole (in more bad ways than good ways IMHO) but black metal is black metal and can go nowhere now. that's my pessimistic opinion on it. There's no way to make it an active and innovative genre again other than to combine it with other styles, which is what bands are doing. The real black metal scene died in the 90s, back when it was fresh and new. That doesn't mean it's not a type of music anymore; it's just already been done before and beaten to death with a lot of pretentious shit. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:01pm - Alx_Casket ""] ^ which is why you'll all be hating on my blackened dubstep project when I'm selling babydoll tshirts for $18.99 in the mall |
| ______________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:03pm - aril ""] hey, I'm doing a jpop black metal album with korey ixiol. haters gonna hate. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:07pm - hauptpflucker ""] I understand where you're coming from Aril, both here and from other similar statements I've seen you make about the state of music. I would however argue that music continues to evolve, even extreme metals and I'd like to think there are bands coming up with new and interesting ways to incorporate various influences into something different and even exciting at times. IMHO there is almost always more bad than good happening at any given time, the good just makes an impression and sticks around and is what is most easily recalled when reminiscing about "the high point" in music that probably never existed because in real time there is always more garbage than good. Pigeonholing genres leads to discussions about who's true, who's legit, who's a poseur whatever. You can say punk died by 82, hardcore by 84, thrash in 89, death metal in 93, black metal in 95, so maybe the bands that are around when a label is made are the only legit representation of those labels but really all that happened is people were influenced by the shit that came before and have gone on to create something new based on that (as you state yourself). So yes Black Metal is and has been dead, but there are some great bands (even locally [Sarcomancy, Nachzehrer etc...] that take very clear cut Black Metal roots and create something that is unique and exciting and new and legitimate. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:08pm - hauptpflucker ""] Excuse the insane run-ons please |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:11pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Alx_Casket said:I think we're all more intrigued to know when DYA will finally admit that Galder is actually a blood relative of his... Hahaha... Steve "Rune" Smitherson, here. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:15pm - Yeti ""] unfortunately with black metal "evolve" means "distill". |
| ______________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:18pm - aril ""] I agree with you to an extent, I just don't think a black metal band sounds "new" when it wears their influences on its sleeve. That doesn't mean I don't like it, but it just seems harder to find more innovative/original black metal bands these days. They still exist, but are very few and far between. But the question is, when blackmetal band incorporates non-metal influences (right now it primarily is shoegaze) does that make them non-blackmetal? Shoegaze with black metal influences? Sadly it brings up the genre argument, which just about everyone hates. I think music as a whole is running out of ideas. Everything will be rehashed with different slices of different styles. Much like art. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:20pm - Yeti ""] the term "black metal" gives me heartburn. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:22pm - arkquimanthorn ""] worth pointing out that the good metal albums this year were fucking great. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:24pm - arilliusbm ""] ^^ agreed. I was more or less making the statement of music progressing badly, rather than good. It just seems there's more bad things happening to metal, but then again i've got dysthymia so everything is always bad before good to me. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:25pm - Yeti ""] from this point forth i no longer have anything to do with metal or rock. i only specialize in wood now. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:27pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] who wants to start a Communist Red-metal band? |
| _____________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:30pm - Yeti ""] as bent as the sickle and as hard as the hammer that crosses it. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:32pm - arkquimanthorn ""] bennyhillifier |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:32pm - arilliusbm ""] only woodgaze is real. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:35pm - arkquimanthorn ""] Yeti said:as bent as the sickle and as hard as the hammer that crosses it. i had to google where i heard that quote, and of course it was Snatch. then i found a blog full of hot russian chicks. http://goingdownlikeamonkey.blogspot.com/2...s-soviet-sickle-and-as-hard-as.html [img] |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:38pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] Fap-worthy |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 3:40pm - arilliusbm ""] one of the strangest black metal bands of all time: Anubi , Lithuanian avantgarde black metal. http://www.myspace.com/pselium |
| __________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 4:01pm - Slag NLI ""] i'm making a black metal band about Super Meat Boy, using only bones as drumsticks. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 4:09pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] arkquimanthorn said: Yeti said:as bent as the sickle and as hard as the hammer that crosses it. i had to google where i heard that quote, and of course it was Snatch. then i found a blog full of hot russian chicks. http://goingdownlikeamonkey.blogspot.com/2...s-soviet-sickle-and-as-hard-as.html [img] [/WINS THREAD] |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 5:47pm - thesacnli ""] Hugo%20dong said: arkquimanthorn said: thesacnli said: arkquimanthorn said:HATED also enjoys that title. you're black metal if you sound like black metal. it doesn't matter if your chinese or christian, or if you use keyboards or disney soundtrack samples. so many things wrong with this whether it's trve or not is up to you, but if a band SOUNDS like they're playing black metal, what the fuck else would you call it? Thesac always has something to say about everything but rarely is that something substantive. Then again his band is the only true band around so obviously he must know what he's talking about. cry it up poser |
| ________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 5:52pm - haupty ""] aril said:I think music as a whole is running out of ideas. Everything will be rehashed with different slices of different styles. Much like art. I think that that is just how art evolves. When's the last time something completely original and spontaneous happened in art? Evolution in any sense is the blending os existent traits, and the best blends succeed. I agree with you in many ways, but want to make the case for optimism. There's enough pessimism in the world today and it's worth pointing out that there are awesome things out there! |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 5:53pm - thesacnli ""] haupty said: aril said:I think music as a whole is running out of ideas. Everything will be rehashed with different slices of different styles. Much like art. I think that that is just how art evolves. When's the last time something completely original and spontaneous happened in art? Evolution in any sense is the blending os existent traits, and the best blends succeed. I agree with you in many ways, but want to make the case for optimism. There's enough pessimism in the world today and it's worth pointing out that there are awesome things out there! ^^^ this guy is totally metal |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 5:54pm - thesacnli ""] go hug a tree you fucking hippies |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 6:08pm - ValkyrieScreams ""] hauptpflucker said: ...I would however argue that music continues to evolve... there is almost always more bad than good happening at any given time, the good just makes an impression and sticks around... so maybe the bands that are around when a label is made are the only legit representation of those labels but really all that happened is people were influenced by the shit that came before and have gone on to create something new based on that... ^^^agreed, and well said btw |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 6:08pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] LOL |
| ______________________________ [Jan 6,2011 6:24pm - aril ""] Like I said, I agree. I guess my main point is that crossing different genres is the only way to "evolve" what black metal already is. But at the same time, is that evolution? Outside of cross-genre music, I'd like for someone to tell me a new sound of music, something that hasn't been for before. It's nearly impossible. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 6,2011 6:25pm - aril ""] done before* |
| ______________________________ [Jan 6,2011 6:28pm - aril ""] But I guess that's I've analyzing it. I agree with everything you've stated other than your optimistic POV :P. My biggest complaint about metal today is how the "mainstream" part of it has evolved. There's always great stuff in the underground. That goes for any kind of music. But, in the end, like pop music is, I think the mainstreamers like simple, straightforward stuff. I also think there's way too much over produced garbage today. That's why I've always preferred UG music to MS. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 6,2011 6:29pm - aril ""] Over analyzing* fucking phone khed |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 6:30pm - Alx_Casket ""] Hey OP, nice trollan |
| ______________________________ [Jan 6,2011 6:35pm - aril ""] thesacnli said: Hugo%20dong said: arkquimanthorn said: thesacnli said: arkquimanthorn said:HATED also enjoys that title. you're black metal if you sound like black metal. it doesn't matter if your chinese or christian, or if you use keyboards or disney soundtrack samples. so many things wrong with this whether it's trve or not is up to you, but if a band SOUNDS like they're playing black metal, what the fuck else would you call it? Thesac always has something to say about everything but rarely is that something substantive. Then again his band is the only true band around so obviously he must know what he's talking about. cry it up poser PS: arks not a poser. I'm hoping you're not serious. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 6:39pm - Slag Nli ""] [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 6:51pm - arilliusbm ""] just realized he was probably talking about hugo dong. either way, it's always good to have these discussions. i wish more of rttp got SRS and posted about the state of music. i've always felt like an outspoken asshole on this site. i listen to a lot of music, and i think we mainly agree that the only way to move forward is to cross-genres. the conservative approach is to stick to the roots, which i also love. it's an interesting time we live in here, both socially, artistically, and musically. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 7:58pm - narkybark ""] I had never listened to Dimmu before like 4 months ago, and now I dig a lot of their stuff. It's definetely more accessible than what most would call black metal. Still dunno what to think of the new album though. It feels too symphonic to me, to the point of losing all teeth, the metal takes a backseat. Maybe that's what they were going for, but I'm not sure it works. I find a lot of passages in it more irritating than catchy. Maybe it's one of those things that I'm so not used to that it will take many listens to appreciate. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 8:16pm - Alx_Casket ""] "Black is the new black." -Kanye West |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 6,2011 8:20pm - goatcatalyst ""] [img] |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 7,2011 4:14am - Randy_Marsh ""] the genre in its originality is totally dead but bands can still take cues from its "sound". its never going to form as big of an impact as it did before obviously.:moe: |
| _________________________________ [Jan 7,2011 6:37am - Dankill ""] [img]WTF |
| _____________________________ [Jan 7,2011 7:42am - Yeti ""] BWACK? [img] |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 7,2011 9:50am - hauptpflucker ""] I give up, I just saw this on a popular social networking site and have lost the optimism "Sam Crust-GrindPowerviolence Morton Got a black denim jacket, with pins for Nausea, Aus Rotten, Extreme Noise Terror, and Napalm Death already on it, plus a backpatch for Carcass and patches for Discharge, Doom, Assuck, Capitalist Casualties, Dropdead, Disrupt, Neurosis, Infest, and His hero Is Gone ready to get sewn on over the next few days (I'm also going to have patches for Dystopia and Grief, and maybe some others, shortly)," |
| __________________________________ [Jan 7,2011 9:54am - Slag NLI ""] Was it on Friendster? LiveJournal? Xanga? |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 7,2011 9:57am - hauptpflucker ""] hot or not dude |
| ______________________________ [Jan 7,2011 10:42am - Yeti ""] BWACK? [img] |
| ____________________________________________ [Jan 7,2011 2:17pm - Woah!_Shut_It_Down! ""] bennyhillifier Black Metal LIVES! |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 8,2011 8:53pm - sixstringcarnage ""] Yeti said:keep it off my wave, keep it off my wave, my wave. Nice one chris |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 11,2011 12:31am - Boozegood ""] FuckIsMySignature said:who wants to start a Communist Red-metal band? Prepare for unrelenting gayness: bennyhillifier |
| ______________________________ [Jan 11,2011 7:49am - Yeti ""] only tassles, full-length leather skirts, and neon green vests are real. |