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[QUOTE="TheRidersofDoom:1175138"][QUOTE="lebarkski:1175114"][QUOTE="TheRidersofDoom:1175050"] socialism is an economic term, not political, and we live in a socialist democracy. the scandinavian method would work in some states but most people in this country just don't want to pay taxes, so there will never be a federal education mandate. but most americans owe everything to the progressives of the past hundred years. you know because you're a libertarian. i don't get libertarians, their utopia would be swallowed by a corporatocracy first. a healthy, long-living, educated society is a government's best long-term investment, no shit. governments never do what's best in the long term. fuck, we're seeing reaganomics all over again now that the gop controls the house. expect to see this over the next economic cycle - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast[/QUOTE] I said the libertarian in me, I am def not a real libertarian because I understand what an unregulated economy would be like and I understand the the gold standard is ridiculously outdated and would cause massive panic in the markets. I try to consider myself apolitical but I guess I fit in the box of Scientific Socialists (definitely not a Stalinist though) And we do not owe as much to the progressives as you think, it was more or less the labor movement, the unions, the strikes, and groups like the IWW, AFL, KofL, the alliance, etc. The Progressives just passed the legislation these groups championed, and the Progs were pretty fucked up too and did most of their shit under paternalistic urges rather than for the welfare of mankind. The progs were also very pro-corporate, as well as Teddy Roosevelt, who believe it or not never busted a single trust even though he bears the nickname. I also agree that we live in a socialized democracy in that we have publicly funded social programs, but the fact is they don't go far enough and the money is often eaten up in bureaucratic paychecks rather than anything useful. And Fuck Reagan, perfect example of why you don't let a movie actor run a government. link will be bookmarked and checked later though i have a good idea what it is.[/QUOTE]
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