BREAKING NEWS: OSAMA BIN LADEN NOW DEAD
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[May 1,2011 10:46pm - arilliusbm ""]
http://www.foxnews.com/
http://www.cnn.com
LMAO!
[May 1,2011 10:48pm - the_reverend ""]
was just coming to post this.
semper fudge GWB.
[May 1,2011 10:49pm - arilliusbm ""]
couldn't ask for better political timing
[May 1,2011 10:50pm - pam nli ""]
ya dead.
[May 1,2011 10:53pm - the_reverend ""]
changes nothing, but this is a nice thing. Granted, I thought I voted for him last election.
[May 1,2011 10:55pm - pam nli ""]
tweet that made me laugh: dokheisenberg Doktor Heisenberg
Obama to America: "Here's my birth certificate... AND BIN LADEN'S FUCKING CORPSE! HAPPY NOW??"
Countdown to the Republicans somehow making this un-American...
[May 1,2011 10:55pm - dertoxia ""]
Weren't there a bunch of reports getting thrown around lately that there's a dirty bomb in europe that'll be set off if Bin Laden dies?
[May 1,2011 10:58pm - MillenialKingdom ""]
I'm wicked pumped about this.
[May 1,2011 11:01pm - zyklon ""]
It doesn't matter if he's dead or not, the US government was behind the 9/11 attacks
[May 1,2011 11:03pm - MillenialKingdom ""]
Shut the fuck up.
[May 1,2011 11:04pm - arilliusbm ""]
This could be the very definition of OLD NEWS.
Lest I remind all you folks, bin Laden was a huge CIA asset at one point. The bin Laden family has close ties to the Bush family, as well as many other prestigious families in America. this is not a conspiracy, it is fact.
Not once was he ever convicted of causing 9/11. In the FBI's top 10 most wanted list, there was no mention of 9/11 under his name.
This is all part of the plan, and as Pam pointed out, look at the bigger picture with the series of events as of late. The Arab nations are revolting (yes, you can also thank the CIA for that), the Birth Certificate scheme, and now this. Everything added up over the past few months is subtle propaganda to those who do not look outside the bi-partisan agenda - those same people who buy into the propaganda we are fed from the powers that be. They want us to feel good about what's going on, and back our imperialistic dreams 100%.
Do not believe this for one moment, as it was purposely released until now, and he could have been dead for years, or not dead at all. Remember the fake bin Laden video that the CIA concocted up then sold it as the real thing? This is all part of the plan... the plan to destablize the world and set up an organized global government, with Western-influenced imperialism dominating the scene. This will eventually lead into major conflicts between the West and East.
Rejoice friends, for this "news" does not matter in the slightest of ways.[May 1,2011 11:04pm - arilliusbm ""]
MillenialKingdom said:Shut the fuck up.
It's true.
[May 1,2011 11:05pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
arilliusbm said:couldn't ask for better political timing
ya 10 year anniversery too.
[May 1,2011 11:05pm - xgodzillax ""]
MillenialKingdom said:Shut the fuck up.
U MAD BRO? YEAH BRO, U HELLA MAD
AMURICUH
[May 1,2011 11:07pm - zyklon ""]
MillenialKingdom said:Shut the fuck up.
Make me faggot!
[May 1,2011 11:07pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
i forsee very bad things following this news.
[May 1,2011 11:07pm - arilliusbm ""]
9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB
AND MOSSAD ORGANIZED IT
DROP YOUR PRIDE AND ACCEPT THE FACTS
[May 1,2011 11:08pm - pam nli ""]
And today is the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED codpiece incident anniversary...hilarious, Obama. HILARIOUS.
[May 1,2011 11:08pm - xgodzillax ""]
MillenialKingdom said:Shut the fuck up.
DO 500 HAIL MARYS AND TOUCH ALTAR BOYS ABOUT IT, FAGGOT
[May 1,2011 11:09pm - IllinoisEnemaBradness ""]
LOLLING AT YOUR FAX
[May 1,2011 11:10pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
best part his he cut off Trump's celebrity apprentice at the very end.
oh SNAP.
[May 1,2011 11:11pm - arilliusbm ""]
in b4 people hate "truthers" as much as "birthers" because they're crazy people who are anti-american.
nah, just people who love history and understand that false flag events happen ALL OF THE TIME, ALL THROUGHOUT HISTORY.
Nero burning Rome? check
Hitler burning the Reichstag? check
Lusitania sinking? check
pre-conceived notions of pearl harbor? check
Gulf of Tonkin incident? check
9/11? check
[May 1,2011 11:12pm - MillenialKingdom ""]
This is the only place where conspiracy theories are acceptable and encouraged. And no, I'm not just being fed imperialist propaganda, I have plenty of dissent for government but I support my country and I applaud our efforts from a military standpoint.
If this is indeed true, this is a huge turning point in the war effort and will have global repercussions. Middle East turmoil either might escalate or subside. We shall see.
[May 1,2011 11:13pm - MillenialKingdom ""]
Oh, and for the record, I'm not Catholic nor do I believe in Catholicism or even remotely support anything they do or support the Catholic Church's existence so any religious jab made at me is just kinda dumb.
[May 1,2011 11:14pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
this is also works as a morale boost for troops loosing faith in the war effort.
how bout another 10 years boys?!
[May 1,2011 11:15pm - Alx_Casket ""]
RIP
[May 1,2011 11:16pm - MillenialKingdom ""]
The government now has the burden of proof so we'll have to watch this whole thing play out.
[May 1,2011 11:16pm - xgodzillax ""]
MillenialKingdom said:Oh, and for the record, I'm not Catholic nor do I believe in Catholicism or even remotely support anything they do or support the Catholic Church's existence so any religious jab made at me is just kinda dumb.
You're still a faggot, faggot.
[May 1,2011 11:17pm - zyklon ""]
hahahahahah
[May 1,2011 11:21pm - joeyvsdavidlopan ""]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuzK3Kb7gEA/URL]
[May 1,2011 11:22pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
this is gonna be about pakistan next.
[May 1,2011 11:24pm - Osama Bin Laden ""]
wrong assholes I'm still alive, ha ha
[May 1,2011 11:25pm - arilliusbm ""]
after 10 years, I can finally put this shirt on. BRING HIM BACK
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[May 1,2011 11:26pm - immortal13 ""]
I love the fact that people already think the government is faking it. I hate conspiracy theorists.
[May 1,2011 11:30pm - arilliusbm ""]
immortal13 said:I love the fact that people already think the government is faking it. I hate conspiracy theorists.
Faking what? That he was a CIA asset and ally with America? I used to like you because you like beer, but go fuck yourself.
[May 1,2011 11:31pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
i wonder how Obama's approval ratings will go up tomorrow? you can haz re-election now.
[May 1,2011 11:32pm - arilliusbm ""]
Wait, does this mean we can leave Afghanistan now??
[May 1,2011 11:32pm - pam nli ""]
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[May 1,2011 11:33pm - zyklon ""]
Hopefully
[May 1,2011 11:34pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
arilliusbm said:Wait, does this mean we can leave Afghanistan now??
how else are we gonna invade the next country?
[May 1,2011 11:34pm - pam nli ""]
FuckIsMySignature said:i wonder how Obama's approval ratings will go up tomorrow? you can haz re-election now.
I dunno...he is still black.
[May 1,2011 11:34pm - the_reverend ""]
michele bachmann is going to be pissed when someone tells her it is osama, not obama.
[May 1,2011 11:35pm - arilliusbm ""]
repost of facebook status
[May 1,2011 11:35pm - arilliusbm ""]
but bobnomaamrooney said it best on fb:
"You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea. Alternately, we're still going to be taking off our shoes and turning over water bottles at the airport, our government is still going to detain people indefinitely without charging them, drones are still going to take out 10 innocent people to get to 1 guilty party.
We took an L."
[May 1,2011 11:37pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
Its gonna be difficult avoiding conversations about this at work.
[May 1,2011 11:37pm - the_reverend ""]
ROOT SPEW SHIRT
[May 1,2011 11:41pm - bobnomaamrooney ""]
Anne Frank, your days as world hide and seek champion are over!
[May 1,2011 11:43pm - arilliusbm ""]
i'm going to be wearing my dead man shirt to work tomorrow. everyone I work with are brainwashed conservatives so I'm sure they'll give me high fives. that's when i'll drop the inside job bomb on them
and for the record, fuck conservatives and liberals. only demolishing both ways of thought is real.
[May 1,2011 11:46pm - LPCustom ""]
Who?
[May 1,2011 11:46pm - LPCustom ""]
The guitarist from Opeth?
[May 1,2011 11:47pm - reimroc ""]
about time
[May 1,2011 11:48pm - osama bin laden ""]
Only the blackvault.com is real. Ill hold box cutters that I stole from ex shaws stock employees to your neck.
[May 1,2011 11:49pm - demondave ""]
pam%20nli said:tweet that made me laugh: dokheisenberg Doktor Heisenberg
Obama to America: "Here's my birth certificate... AND BIN LADEN'S FUCKING CORPSE! HAPPY NOW??"
Countdown to the Republicans somehow making this un-American...
[May 1,2011 11:51pm - osama bin laden ""]
And lastly, only drunken metal head bangers that advocate anarchy yet completely conform to a black metal costume and elitist for elitist sake lifestyle are real. And only if you look exactly, sound exactly and turn your once warm and expensive levi jean jacket into a walking billboard of metal band logos is real. Logo walking billboard metal jean vest predate your nike logo just do it bullshit. Only billboard metal vests did it first and are real.
[May 1,2011 11:51pm - immortal13 ""]
arilliusbm said:
immortal13 said:I love the fact that people already think the government is faking it. I hate conspiracy theorists.
Faking what? That he was a CIA asset and ally with America? I used to like you because you like beer, but go fuck yourself.
No no no. Faking that he's dead. People think the government is faking that he died.
[May 1,2011 11:54pm - osama bin laden ""]
Immortal13, go play metal core and be proud to be american. Your dad will love you for it.
[May 1,2011 11:54pm - arilliusbm ""]
from INFOWARS.COM lol
"Eight years ago, Alex Jones exposed that Bin Laden was frozen in 2002 and plans to bring him out and declare him killed at a later date were made."
[May 1,2011 11:56pm - immortal13 ""]
lol at Osama troll. I am stoked that this finally happened. I was making fun of people that don't think he's/you're really dead.
[May 1,2011 11:57pm - immortal13 ""]
arilliusbm said:from INFOWARS.COM lol
"Eight years ago, Alex Jones exposed that Bin Laden was frozen in 2002 and plans to bring him out and declare him killed at a later date were made."
HAH!
[May 1,2011 11:58pm - osama bin laden ""]
American, I mean "DUDE" or "METAL DUDE", I am not dead. I told you my story in another thread, read it or GTFO of America and move to IRANin camo pants...
[May 2,2011 12:00am - osama bin laden ""]
Arilliusbm, you better box cut this immortal13 guy or you will be cut from my payroll and I will have to sub out your job to blackwater I mean z...
[May 2,2011 12:01am - immortal13 ""]
lol
[May 2,2011 12:04am - pam nli ""]
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[May 2,2011 12:07am - mortalis nli ""]
he's with dimebag now
[May 2,2011 12:11am - osama bin laden ""]
bennyhillifier
cat plays the piano or GTFO
[May 2,2011 12:17am - arilliusbm ""]
I've already done my fair share of posting/trolling about "conspiracy" shit here for a while.
Point being, all of you have the brains to make a proper judgement on this situation.
As the valedictorian of Wolfy's school for the blind, the only thing I ask of you is to open up your mind to the bigger picture. Try to foresee what the repercussions of this will be.
Question everything the mainstream media feeds us, whether or not it threatens your Patriotism or love for this country.
We live in a world that is owned and controlled by a select few individuals and companies, and certain happenings are all part of the grand scheme of things.
Think of this moment as the end of a chapter in American history - a chapter that would most likely contain blacked-out text due to our internal hidden agenda.
We are nothing but tiny grains of sand on a giant conglomerated privately-owned beach. We are overwhelmingly meaningless and idle.. and as the waves of time gently crash ashore, the owner of the private beach sits back and laughs.
life is nothing but a dream, and consciousness is nothing but a void of uncontrolled thoughts, all interwoven by threads of time and fate. Not only was Osama bin Laden a grain of sand just like us; he was but a grain of sand that was hand-chosen by the owner of the beach and selected to represent the scapegoat of society, as we move into a controlled world.
Just like a beach in real life, the grains of sand become wet with each wave. We're going to see a temporary sprout in patriotism, as well as a spike in political polls. Not only are we undermining the Arab world from inside, we are also pulling a card out of our sleeve on this one.
They are truly setting up 2012 for something bigger to happen. Whether or not you can see that, it's up to you. They're using negative stigma attached to 2012 to their advantage. All in due time... all in due time.
[May 2,2011 12:20am - nekronaut ""]
If only Trey Parker and Matt Stone had a way to collect royalties from people updating facebook with "America! FUCK YEAH!" status updates.
[May 2,2011 12:24am - xgodzillax ""]
aril, Chinatown Gate or GTFO!
[May 2,2011 12:25am - arilliusbm ""]
http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=4
LOL @ LIVE FEED OF THE PARTY OUTSIDE OF THE WHITEHOUSE!
[May 2,2011 12:26am - nekronaut ""]
Hahaha I knew this wouldn't take long:
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[May 2,2011 12:30am - Sacreligion ""]
Thank you Obama, but the emir is in another castle.
[May 2,2011 12:30am - arilliusbm ""]
even espn.com has a headline about it.
hjahahaha
[May 2,2011 12:31am - xgodzillax ""]
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[May 2,2011 12:38am - MillenialKingdom ""]
See, even the gangsta thug community knows what's up.
[May 2,2011 12:40am - arilliusbm ""]
only using goggle to troll CNN.com for 30 minutes is real.
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..and then they deleted it
[May 2,2011 12:45am - xgodzillax ""]
MillenialKingdom said:See, even the gangsta thug community knows what's up.
kill yourself, altar boy
[May 2,2011 12:48am - dertoxia ""]
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Found this on a random blog about the mexican drug war. hmmm, i think i see some pixels.
[May 2,2011 12:56am - pam nli ""]
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[May 2,2011 12:56am - pam nli ""]
dertoxia said:[img]
Found this on a random blog about the mexican drug war. hmmm, i think i see some pixels.
some?
[May 2,2011 12:57am - the_reverend ""]
looks more real than any birth certificates I've seen.
[May 2,2011 1:01am - dertoxia ""]
yeah I dont think that picture is meant to be a real shot of dead osama. I bet the dude who writes the blog just doctored up some pic. Just like when a new game console or iphone is coming out and the internet is flooded with supposed pictures of the real thing.
Lets wait and see what gets officially released. I'm not saying I have to see a picture of the madman riddled with bullets to feel satisfied but....it definitely couldn't hurt.
[May 2,2011 1:08am - Headbanging_Man ""]
Fuck, this bothers the hell out of me... It really does feel like the set up to something big and really fucking ugly...
Even if it's not the precursor to more attacks on US soil or an upsurge in the legal attack on those who question the Wall St./Langley/Pentagon Official Conspiracy Theory of 9/11 (thought-crime laws are far too close for comfort these days), this is The Big Lie in action and it's repulsive. I see a lot less reason to believe this than reports of OBL's demise on or around Dec. 13 '01. Alex Jones is a prick, but he might be right about the freezing scenario, if the National Security State even plans to trot out any alleged remains. In the current climate of mass mind-control and propaganda, the need for consistent, believable proof for the public has become mostly unnecessary. Millions of USAns continue to believe Hussein and Bin Laden were in league together after all; the burden of proof for all official National Security State proclamations in the mainstream political dialogue makes the Salem witch trials look like meticulous, scientific investigation.
We are only about 4 months from the 10th anniversary of the attacks and momentum against the official story has dwindled a fair deal on a political level, but on the level of mass-consciousness, the momentum has pretty steadily increased, pretty much consistently since the congressional whitewash committee released its report. Even if, as I said, this isn't the precursor to any particular violence or repression, the "Global War On Terror" goes on, regardless of what Obama calls it, and the Official Conspiracy Theory is obviously in need of a serious bolstering. In these trying economic times, it's important that the American bloodlust be stoked sufficiently to insure that congress doesn't accidentally trim too much of the War... excuse me, Defense (!) budget in the "austerity" process. Two Minutes Hate, and all that...
[May 2,2011 1:15am - allen quada ""]
haha stupid americans, osama might be dead but we will still here to FUCK SHIT UP. I found RTTP on google. FUCK YOU US AMERICA...ALL DEAD SOON
[May 2,2011 1:17am - Headbanging_Man ""]
allen%20quada said:I found RTTP on google.
What were you looking for? Rich Horror n00dz?
[May 2,2011 1:24am - allen quada ""]
Headbanging_Man said:
allen%20quada said:I found RTTP on google.
What were you looking for? Rich Horror n00dz?
stupid american, who is rich horror? why is he so horrible?
i was searching for Rwanda Tank Testimonial Preliminaries but i got this american board that is so stupid because i hate americans!
[May 2,2011 1:28am - allen qaeda ""]
americans are so gay
[May 2,2011 1:45am - Lamp ""]
pam%20nli said:[img]
Is this real?
[May 2,2011 1:51am - Headbanging_Man ""]
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Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper:
al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633
News of Bin Laden's Death
and Funeral 10 days ago
Islamabad -
A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned that 30 of al-Qa'da fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. In the farewell ceremony to his final rest guns were fired in the air. The official stated that it is difficult to pinpoint the burial location of bin Laden because according to the Wahhabi tradition no mark is left by the grave. He stressed that it is unlikely that the American forces would ever uncover any traces of bin Laden.
[May 2,2011 2:17am - amorok666 ""]
bennyhillifier
[May 2,2011 4:11am - TRUBLACKFAK ""]
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[May 2,2011 4:20am - HOMEPONE ""]
allen%20quada said:
i was searching for Rwanda Tank Testimonial Preliminaries but i got this american board that is so stupid because i hate americans!
You write like someone with down-syndrome.
[May 2,2011 4:23am - poopshit ""]
i'm with arilliusbm -
the amount of people taking this news at face value is hilarious, absurd, terrifying, sad - can't decide!
p.s. Alex Jones is a phony conspiracy-theorist double agent and effortlessly has the entire conspiracy theory community flocking to him and feeding him any info he wants. I wouldn't doubt that in the future he "gets locked up", or "commits suicide", or "overdoses" (i.e. goes into hiding, having procured tomes of information on the conspiracy theory community). his documentaries and antics are too forced to be believable.
[May 2,2011 6:37am - arilliusbm ""]
I must say... It's only been 8 hours and I'm already sick of how people talk about him. USA = brainwashed, even though this is a moral victory for what we has been projected as reality
[May 2,2011 6:58am - Alx_Casket ""]
bennyhillifier
[May 2,2011 7:01am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
"buried at sea"
body? what body? idk, lol
[May 2,2011 7:12am - arilliusbm ""]
ITT: people honking at me in Framingham center for wearing the dead man shirt
[May 2,2011 7:37am - arilliusbm ""]
Lol @ 96.9 saying how it's Bush's doing because the intelligence about bin Laden's courier was gathered under his reign.
[May 2,2011 7:39am - Henry Rollins ""]
zyklon said:
MillenialKingdom said:Shut the fuck up.
Make me come, faggot!
[May 2,2011 7:46am - Sacreligion ""]
Really? Buried at sea? After a decade of this nonsense and the videos of Saddam hanging, they don't show any actual proof of Bin Laden's body? Uggghh.
[May 2,2011 8:12am - arilliusbm ""]
It's to respect Islamic law.
[May 2,2011 8:27am - Sacreligion ""]
Yeah I'm a priest like you're a dictionary salesman.
[May 2,2011 8:42am - Skinsandwich ""]
You know the Navy Seals that took his ass out took pictures. Give it time, it has only been 24 hours.
[May 2,2011 8:44am - RustyPS should be working ""]
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WINNING!
[May 2,2011 8:50am - brian_dc ""]
any word on if they asked Osama what he thought of Kate's dress?
any word?
ANYTHING?!
[May 2,2011 9:40am - Pires ""]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/02/o...ad-abbottabad-mansion_n_856206.html
I can't believe I'm feeding into this bullshit. I, myself, think he's been dead for quite some time. Obviously, there's going to be an annoyingly amount of conspiracy theories. But I do think we did kill him, but it just wasn't yesterday.
[May 2,2011 9:42am - arilliusbm ""]
HUGE brand new state police command center vehicle just drove by me in Framingham. Definitely going to Boston.
[May 2,2011 9:53am - posbleak ""]
Remember when the news was telling us he died from a kidney infection?
[May 2,2011 9:56am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
YOU GET ME THAT HAPPY-TIME DIALYSIS MACHINE
[May 2,2011 10:08am - xmikex ""]
pam%20nli said:
dertoxia said:[img]
Found this on a random blog about the mexican drug war. hmmm, i think i see some pixels.
some?
loling and cringing at the same time @ this photo popping up all over people's facebooks. Hilarious that anyone would buy this, but also terrifying what people will believe. Any idea where it came from?
Also, a friend of mine is at Ft. Dix. They're currently on high alert (but still posting on facebook).
[May 2,2011 10:09am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
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[May 2,2011 10:10am - dreadkill ""]
i've been waiting for the official photo of his body so i can say it looks shopped.
[May 2,2011 10:11am - Alx_Casket ""]
Eloquent use of the photoshop burn tool.
[May 2,2011 10:21am - ShadowSD ""]
OK, this is all bugging me, so I'm just going to say it: he is dead, and he has not been dead for long. The CTs fail on their own merits.
If it was a covert plan for the government to gain strength, they wouldn't have sat on the news through the 2010 elections when it would have reversed the result for them. I'm all about skepticism and critical thinking when there's a logic basis for it but this is teh stupid.
People were claiming Bin Laden might be dead for years, as for a long time it was in the media to take heat off Bush for never catching him. The line went that MAYBE the videos and audio from new releases are years old and being released by supporters, MAYBE this and MAYBE that - and it all seemed quite possible, but you know what I said over and over at the time? He's still alive - and for the very reason, oddly enough that all the CTs are relying on (but just doing so incorrectly): from the reaction in the last twelve hours in this country, it's OBVIOUS that no politician remotely interested in power could sit on the news of his death, as there would be absolutely zero benefit in doing so.
Also, claiming his death and not being able to prove it would be pointless (actually it would be a negative and not worth the effort), so they're not bluffing any more than Saddam Hussein is living on an island somewhere on a resort (he's not - he's dead).
OBL is too, because our government actually LOOKED for him in the last couple years, instead of tacitily letting him live (and really, that IS what happened for about six years) so he could keep alive justification for the War on Terrrrrr Orwellian "everyone agree with us or your a traitor" Groupthink that owned the mass media for years. That much of the conspiracy was true, sadly enough. Weekend at Osama's with the corpse that ain't dead, however, is a bridge too far in this case.
[May 2,2011 10:28am - arilliusbm ""]
Where's the facts?
[May 2,2011 10:35am - NuclearWinter ""]
Lot of thinking outside the box all up in this thread.
[May 2,2011 10:42am - brian_dc ""]
Osama may be the only person who knows who killed Laura Palmer.
fuck
[May 2,2011 10:43am - posbleak ""]
LOL
[May 2,2011 10:53am - aaron_michael ""]
arilliusbm said:Where's the facts?
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[May 2,2011 11:03am - RustyPS should be working ""]
BREAKING NEWS: RANDY COUTURE DID THE DEED:
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[May 2,2011 11:15am - ark ""]
MillenialKingdom said:If this is indeed true, this is a huge turning point in the war effort and will have global repercussions. Middle East turmoil either might escalate or subside. We shall see.
Since he's just one man who isn't even involved in Taliban field operations anymore, nope. And what sort of turmoil? Islam extremists or young democracy advocates?
This won't change anything. Osama has been on the scene a long time, since his daddy's Saudi construction company became the largest private construction company in the WORLD in 1966, which led him to fund Afghan mujahedin fighting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the 80's, WITH USA'S HELP, because anybody fighting the Soviets must be good, right?
You only know about him because MSM needed a scapegoat for 9/11 and the 2001 Afghan invasion, which the Soviets already tried in the early 80's with the same imperialist goal and failed miserably.
American arrogance is at an all-time high. There has been "turmoil" in the Middle East for 5,000 years, before Islam and before imperialism. Afghanistan and Pakistan have NEVER been conquered or influenced by any outside power.
[May 2,2011 11:17am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
yuuup.
[May 2,2011 11:18am - ark ""]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan
and we're still living on the cold war machine. Enlist today!
[May 2,2011 11:23am - ark ""]
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2945046/How-the-CIA-created-Osama-bin-Laden
OBL is CIA. Just relax and take the fist.
[May 2,2011 11:32am - ark ""]
arilliusbm said:
Lest I remind all you folks, bin Laden was a huge CIA asset at one point. The bin Laden family has close ties to the Bush family, as well as many other prestigious families in America. this is not a conspiracy, it is fact.
Not once was he ever convicted of causing 9/11. In the FBI's top 10 most wanted list, there was no mention of 9/11 under his name.
This is all fact. But Jim I'm only with you half way here. The NWO is a typical fall back for the CT's out there but I can't buy it because China and India won't fall in line, and it's impossible to stay alive without playing nice with them. Just saying.
[May 2,2011 11:37am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
meanwhile.. china continues to dump the dollar sending us further into economic turmoil.. but who cares! we killed osama!
[May 2,2011 11:39am - arilliusbm ""]
It's going to be West vs. East. Simple as that. We'll take what allies we have in the East, but ultimately the major conflict that will change the world forever will be the Western move towards complete domination. Consider the two major powers as like playing a game of chess.
[May 2,2011 11:42am - ark ""]
China and India have big chess pieces. Like, mammoth. Dinosauric.
[May 2,2011 11:43am - xmikex ""]
ITT: Always being at war with East Asia. Never being at war with Eurasia.
[May 2,2011 11:52am - arilliusbm ""]
Indeed they do. But they don't have the cheat code (ala, "Israel")
[May 2,2011 12:25pm - ShadowSD ""]
There are too many living witnesses that would inevitably leak for any of this to be false, from what I am now reading. There were several women and children in the compound, one woman was used as a human shield and killed, two other women were injured, but everyone else other than Bin Laden and three other men who were killed had not a scratch. Countless people in the highly populated area heard the forty minute gunfight.
[May 2,2011 12:48pm - xgodzillax ""]
ITT: shadowsd believes everything he hears on fox news.
[May 2,2011 12:49pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
i wouldnt say that ... otherwise he would believe that Osama was killed 10 years ago as reported by Fox News directly.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2c2933%2c41576%2c00.html
[May 2,2011 12:51pm - xgodzillax ""]
ITT: there is no such "deathstar"
[May 2,2011 12:53pm - xgodzillax ""]
Forty minute gun fight and only one person dead? Where are we, roxbury?
[May 2,2011 12:55pm - RustyPS should be working ""]
5 dead...OBL, the "human shield" lady, and 3 others
[May 2,2011 1:02pm - ShadowSD ""]
xgodzillax said:ITT: shadowsd believes everything he hears on fox news.
Actually, the right-wing news outlets are putting out headlines that say "Bin Laden killed, says President", the latter half implying that there's still skepticism about it. The fact is they just can't bear to admit that their arch enemy killed their white whale. In a way, it's as hard for them to fit into their world view to accept as him being President.
But it's interesting you said that, because when I wrote my last post I was actually thinking of Fox News as an example of why leaving so many witnesses to blab is begging for a giant intelligence fail: back when the country Georgia was at war with a small region in the area, and the Russians were defending the little guys, McCain/Republicans/Fox/The Usual Suspects were talking about how we should go in militarily and help the poor helpless Georgians, so they brought on this wife and daughter from over there on Fox News to talk about how awful the Russians were. Instead, they told the anchor exactly the opposite of where his questions were leading, and the segment made an ass of the network and all the hawks. People always talk, eventually, if enough of them know something, media is EVERYWHERE now between TV and Internet, and I can't see that kind of sloppiness being used in something - the death of Bin Laden - that will be perceived (rightly or wrongly) as pivotal to people around the world.
[May 2,2011 1:05pm - ark ""]
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[May 2,2011 1:08pm - brian_dc ""]
I'm sure what the media is saying is partly true and partly not true
There will be boring people on the internet who fully believe it or fully don't believe it (Alex Jones has to continue to feed his family). I'm using this as an opportunity to make obtuse jokes about Twin Peaks because I'm bored and life is mostly stale.
[May 2,2011 1:08pm - ShadowSD ""]
xgodzillax said:Forty minute gun fight and only one person dead? Where are we, roxbury?
ITT: Master of reading comprehension tells me I believe Fox News.
ShadowSD said:one woman was used as a human shield and killed, two other women were injured, but everyone else other than Bin Laden and three other men who were killed had not a scratch.
In all seriousness though, your general point on this one is right, even with five dead that's pretty amazing. No civilians dead outside, no troops dead, no children harmed. It's really important because dead civilians prolong the wars we're in and incite the wars of the future.
[May 2,2011 1:08pm - the_reverend ""]
http://www.boingboing.net/2011/05/01/local-man-apparently.html
[May 2,2011 1:16pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
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[May 2,2011 2:21pm - xgodzillax ""]
Being on a blackberry while I posted that, I had only seen the "one woman" part. Hense the reason I said "one person". I guess I really am as dumb as everyone says I am based on posts on this here forum.
Oh well, everyone commence the pissing contest while I go study 8th grade social studies to put basis to my paltry and invalid arguments
[May 2,2011 2:27pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""]
ark said:[img]
Win.
[May 2,2011 2:30pm - AndrewBastard ""]
GUYS: OPEN YOUR EYES
Bin Laden was killed years ago, they're just NOW releasing that info now..its all about timing and the upcoming election...
PUT ON YOUR TIN FOIL HATS!
[May 2,2011 2:33pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
is your sm broken?
[May 2,2011 2:43pm - AndrewBastard ""]
sm?
[May 2,2011 2:49pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
sarcasm meter.
[May 2,2011 2:55pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""]
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[May 2,2011 3:00pm - ark ""]
A+
[May 2,2011 3:03pm - dreadkill ""]
ark said:A+
[May 2,2011 3:29pm - RustyPS should be working ""]
ya'll knew this was coming:
bennyhillifier
fantastic
[May 2,2011 3:32pm - Wolfy ""]
Two points,
1) Awash in blood, disordered closet, night in Pakistan. We crash landed into the courtyard, assault rifles and aisle seat tickets on the way to magnetic death. A pane of glass, broken three ways. Fucking chicken should have moved its ass, now our cover is broken and we are exposed. I go in first in the name of the Queen, Breitbart close behind me. Corner, hall, corner, Osama. We invert the way in on our way out, slug body on shoulder pad and bloody dust in our treads.
2) What is the legacy of an answer? If I could take back the worst shots, would I give up the best? Why the FUCK does MillenialKingdom have shit cereal for brains?
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[May 2,2011 3:43pm - the_reverend ""]
that video is freaking awesome.
[May 2,2011 4:32pm - Lamp ""]
If Wolfy keeps up this A+ posting pattern, pretty soon whoever it is will overtake George Zimmer as being the best RTTP troll of all time.
[May 2,2011 4:35pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
i have a feeling they are the same person.
[May 2,2011 4:38pm - arilliusbm ""]
*cough*DYA*cough*
[May 2,2011 4:40pm - brian_dc ""]
GODDAMN that picture is beautiful
[May 2,2011 4:42pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
arilliusbm said:*cough*DYA*cough*
nasty cold ya got there.
[May 2,2011 5:12pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
arilliusbm said:*cough*DYA*cough*
i dont even HAVE an internets.
[May 2,2011 5:13pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
pish posh.. it is now available on an easy to install compact discograph.
[May 2,2011 5:23pm - Sacreligion ""]
DestroyYouAlot said:
arilliusbm said:*cough*DYA*cough*
i dont even HAVE an internets.
Obviously you need to change your tubes and bias your interwebs.
[May 2,2011 5:24pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""]
FuckIsMySignature said:[img]
People are so quick to believe this is a photoshop. it's not. Open your eyes people, your all morans.
[May 2,2011 5:40pm - Slag NLI ""]
hahahaha. So this is what I miss when I actually do work, at work.
[May 2,2011 6:45pm - xgodzillax ""]
bennyhillifier
Dun Goof'd
[May 2,2011 6:50pm - xgodzillax ""]
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[May 2,2011 7:42pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
poopshit said:i'm with arilliusbm -
the amount of people taking this news at face value is hilarious, absurd, terrifying, sad - can't decide!
p.s. Alex Jones is a phony conspiracy-theorist double agent and effortlessly has the entire conspiracy theory community flocking to him and feeding him any info he wants. I wouldn't doubt that in the future he "gets locked up", or "commits suicide", or "overdoses" (i.e. goes into hiding, having procured tomes of information on the conspiracy theory community). his documentaries and antics are too forced to be believable.
I don't think you're wrong, but this also doesn't mean that all of Jones's information is bad. Disinfo agents who strictly offer bogus information aren't able to sustain the kind of limited success Jones has.
[May 2,2011 7:47pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
ShadowSD said:The CTs fail on their own merits.
Wow, thanks for clearing that up! I never looked at it that way before!
[May 2,2011 8:15pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
ark said:This is all fact. But Jim I'm only with you half way here. The NWO is a typical fall back for the CT's out there but I can't buy it because China and India won't fall in line, and it's impossible to stay alive without playing nice with them. Just saying.
I don't believe in a NWO per se, at least not as an organized cabal or society, but by and far, the organizations that push us towards some sort of "NWO" are dominated by Anglo-Germano-Dutch-American financial interests, with some participation from capitalists and bankers from elsewhere. Asian capitalists have been brought into the fold via the Trilateral Commission, but ultimately the economic/political/military globalization project was well under way before David Rockefeller formed that group in the 1970's. It could certainly be traced to blatantly racist roots that advocate a white-dominated global imperialism, such as the Round Table groups, pioneered by diamond magnate Cecil Rhodes to foster the ambitions of the British empire. The Royal Institute Of International Affairs which sprouted out of this was funded by the big banking families of the UK (Astor, Rothschild, the House of Windsor), and the US's equivalent Council On Foreign Relations was pioneered by Edward Mandell House (among others); in addition to alleged KKK ties, House was a close advisor to the rabid bigot Woodrow Wilson, and a founder of the Federal Reserve.
So I think it's worth considering the endurance of the Western-dominated secret financial/diplomatic networks over the recent expanded economic power of China, India, Brazil, etc. Even if the faces of organizations like the CFR, RIAA, Bilderberg Group, etc. have gotten a bit more diverse, they are still structured around a premise of Western-rule and colonialism.
[May 2,2011 11:58pm - Alx_Casket ""]
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[May 3,2011 12:02am - Hungtableed ""]
Video footage of what Obama supposedly watched in "real time" of the operation or it never happened....
Pretty gnarly though if that's true, the president gets to watch real time video of the most covert spec ops mission in decades. Dood that pulled the trigger could prolly put a hole, dead nuts center, through a dime from a mile away.
[May 3,2011 12:03am - arilliusbm ""]
Headbanging Man, I agree with a lot of the stuff you say here. Someday I'll have to grab a beer with you at a show and ignore the show just to talk about this stuff
[May 3,2011 12:19am - htr ""]
bennyhillifier
Any one else remember this?
[May 3,2011 12:27am - Alx_Casket ""]
Don't act like you've never committed an act of terrorism in the bedroom like this:
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[May 3,2011 12:47am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
htr said:
bennyhillifier
Any one else remember this?
yep. then she and everyone involved with this interview were killed.
[May 3,2011 2:19am - Lamp ""]
pam%20nli said:ya dead.
THE BALLAD OF OSAMA BIN LADEN
[May 3,2011 3:13am - poopshit ""]
Headbanging_Man said:
poopshit said:i'm with arilliusbm -
the amount of people taking this news at face value is hilarious, absurd, terrifying, sad - can't decide!
p.s. Alex Jones is a phony conspiracy-theorist double agent and effortlessly has the entire conspiracy theory community flocking to him and feeding him any info he wants. I wouldn't doubt that in the future he "gets locked up", or "commits suicide", or "overdoses" (i.e. goes into hiding, having procured tomes of information on the conspiracy theory community). his documentaries and antics are too forced to be believable.
I don't think you're wrong, but this also doesn't mean that all of Jones's information is bad. Disinfo agents who strictly offer bogus information aren't able to sustain the kind of limited success Jones has.
true true, i agree completely. from his documentaries that i have, a lot of it is totally believable and understandable and has been corroborated by countless other docs and journalists etc., but when he gets to this super long-term predictions and extrapolations it comes off more like a sci-fi movie. if he is a "narc", he's both a good and bad one. good in that he has probably opened up tons of naive folks minds on things like 9/11 or the Bilderberg group etc... but bad in terms of the utter cheesy and forced delivery and lack of nuance in knowing how to portray himself, and ultimately betraying himself. IMHO of course.
[May 3,2011 8:48am - Alx_Casket ""]
Thread is seriously lacking a dose of myatt.
[May 3,2011 10:24am - pam ""]
Lamp said:
pam%20nli said:[img]
Is this real?
I fucking wish. If I was Obama I'd have lit a cigarette, kicked the podium over and invited the entire country to suck my dick.
But there's one of many, many reasons I'll never be president that include having a vagina and my post history on RTTP.
[May 3,2011 10:30am - brian_dc ""]
I'm sure a vagina will be President in the next 20 years.
but yeah, not you. too damning being here.
[May 3,2011 10:32am - pam ""]
I'm sure too, and I'll enjoy watching white men everywhere flip the fuck out for 4 years, somehow pin an abortion or something on her and effectively usher in the next Bush Jr on the wave of fundie/testosterone crazy.
[May 3,2011 10:36am - brian_dc ""]
Unless she's a Republican. In that case, with the exclusion of "she's fucking crazy, so screw it," (i.e. Palin or some Palinista), liberals will probably spend 8 years trying not to say too many shitty things about here.
[May 3,2011 10:45am - Yeti ""]
Osama Bin Laden no longer has farty pants.
[May 3,2011 11:02am - pam ""]
Yessss...the wait is finally over, I've officially seen Republicans on FB claiming this is a win for Bush Jr, not Obama.
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[May 3,2011 11:10am - pam ""]
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(from this pic, supposedly while monitoring this thing going down)
[img]
[May 3,2011 11:11am - pam ""]
^ porn on Hilary's laptop?
[May 3,2011 11:49am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
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[May 3,2011 11:51am - Randy_Marsh ""]
pam said:[img]
(from this pic, supposedly while monitoring this thing going down)
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lol at shop
[May 3,2011 12:02pm - ark ""]
Headbanging_Man said:
ark said:This is all fact. But Jim I'm only with you half way here. The NWO is a typical fall back for the CT's out there but I can't buy it because China and India won't fall in line, and it's impossible to stay alive without playing nice with them. Just saying.
I don't believe in a NWO per se, at least not as an organized cabal or society, but by and far, the organizations that push us towards some sort of "NWO" are dominated by Anglo-Germano-Dutch-American financial interests, with some participation from capitalists and bankers from elsewhere. Asian capitalists have been brought into the fold via the Trilateral Commission, but ultimately the economic/political/military globalization project was well under way before David Rockefeller formed that group in the 1970's. It could certainly be traced to blatantly racist roots that advocate a white-dominated global imperialism, such as the Round Table groups, pioneered by diamond magnate Cecil Rhodes to foster the ambitions of the British empire. The Royal Institute Of International Affairs which sprouted out of this was funded by the big banking families of the UK (Astor, Rothschild, the House of Windsor), and the US's equivalent Council On Foreign Relations was pioneered by Edward Mandell House (among others); in addition to alleged KKK ties, House was a close advisor to the rabid bigot Woodrow Wilson, and a founder of the Federal Reserve.
So I think it's worth considering the endurance of the Western-dominated secret financial/diplomatic networks over the recent expanded economic power of China, India, Brazil, etc. Even if the faces of organizations like the CFR, RIAA, Bilderberg Group, etc. have gotten a bit more diverse, they are still structured around a premise of Western-rule and colonialism.
Aye, good post.
[May 3,2011 12:25pm - immortal13 ""]
RustyPS%20should%20be%20working said:BREAKING NEWS: RANDY COUTURE DID THE DEED:
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This is awesome!
[May 3,2011 12:36pm - arilliusbm ""]
I'm so sick of hearing about this already.
Also, 96.9 callers are fucking dumb.
[May 3,2011 12:37pm - xmikex ""]
As long as Joe Christianni is still hiding from me, there will be no justice.
[May 3,2011 1:05pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
LOL - someone is already trolling as a terrorist. oh i love the internetz.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/The-guy-who-killed-Osama/196601520382654
[May 3,2011 1:14pm - xmikex ""]
http://mashable.com/2011/05/03/altered-mlk-quote/
You know that MLK quote cry babies were embracing all over Facebook yesterday?
IT"S A FAAAAAAAAAAAAKE
[May 3,2011 1:32pm - pam ""]
xmikex said:http://mashable.com/2011/05/03/altered-mlk-quote/
You know that MLK quote cry babies were embracing all over Facebook yesterday?
IT"S A FAAAAAAAAAAAAKE
I enjoyed every delicious drop of this. "LOOK HOW GOOD OF A PERSON I AM, YOU'RE ALL TERRIBLE...I JUST CAN'T CELEBRATE ANY DEATH! I'M JUST LIKE MLK!!"
Half my news feed was this quote and the other one how the only the black ops are the only ones who deserve credit because obviously they take orders from themselves based on information they had no assistance gathering. OBVIOUSLY.
[May 3,2011 2:34pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Lamp said:
pam%20nli said:ya dead.
THE BALLAD OF OSAMA BIN LADEN
Haha, just came here to post. Carry on.
[May 4,2011 4:23pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
arilliusbm said:Headbanging Man, I agree with a lot of the stuff you say here. Someday I'll have to grab a beer with you at a show and ignore the show just to talk about this stuff
Ay! Only well-founded political paranoia is real!
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Edit: And big ups to Ark as well!
[May 4,2011 4:34pm - ark ""]
To entropy! *clink*
[May 4,2011 5:19pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
FuckIsMySignature said:this is gonna be about pakistan next.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/0...akistan.relations/index.html?hpt=T1
http://presstv.com/detail/178272.html
[May 4,2011 5:22pm - Botorious N.I.G. ""]
Great. So we landed our $30 million helicopters inside Pakistan, and shot an unarmed man and his unarmed wife.
I am so fucking impressed.
He knew how to die like a hero, though. Never give in.
[May 4,2011 5:26pm - pam ""]
No we didn't, we thawed him out of block of ice...der...get caught up.
[May 4,2011 9:42pm - Botorious N.I.G. ""]
Wouldn't surprise me. The timing was just so very convenient!
[May 4,2011 9:46pm - dreadkill ""]
Let's focus on the real enemy: the Philadelphia flyers
[May 4,2011 11:06pm - brian_dc ""]
Fight the real enemy:
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[May 4,2011 11:15pm - the_reverend ""]
south park called it last fall.
[May 4,2011 11:30pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
Yeti said:Osama Bin Laden no longer has farty pants.
[May 5,2011 5:30am - The_reverend ""]
Nope, that was 10 years ago. I'm talking the jerse shore episode. Navy seal drops down and shoots him in head
[May 5,2011 3:12pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
i'm aware. there was headshot in both episodes
[May 10,2011 1:07pm - ark ""]
http://www.alternet.org/news/150857/7_dece..._pushed_by_the_obama_administration
In his address to the American people, and in subsequent media briefings by senior officials, we were told that a small force of as many as 25 Navy Seals stormed the compound with orders to take bin Laden alive, if possible. White House spokesman Jay Carney said that once inside the compound, they came under heavy fire and “were engaged in a firefight throughout the operation.” The SEALs killed Osama bin Laden's son when he lunged for them on a staircase, and finally encountered their quarry in a bedroom, where, after taking a woman believed to be his wife as a human shield, bin Laden died in a vicious fire-fight. The operation, Obama said, was carried out “with extraordinary courage and capability.”
As the week wore on, all of these details were "revised," and the administration claims that the initial, improbably clean account of what happened was merely a product of the "fog of war." And, as Salon's Justin Elliott notes, “despite the major misstatements by the administration on perhaps the biggest story of the year, the media has largely taken a deferential stance” to that position.
Let's look at what has changed since that first draft of history was written by the administration.
1. No Firefight
John Brennan, White House security adviser, initially told reporters that bin Laden “was engaged in a firefight with those that entered the area of the house he was in.” But on Wednesday, unnamed “administration officials” told NBC that only one person fired on U.S. troops from an adjacent guest house, and once they entered the main residence the “resistance” we were told they faced “never materialized.”
The compound was cleared quickly, said the officials, and rather than a 40-minute firefight, the commandoes spent most of their time there gathering computer hard drives and other potential sources of intelligence.
2. No Human Shields
A senior defense official at the Pentagon told reporters that bin Laden and other combatants "certainly did use women as shields." Jay Carney “revised” that part of the narrative, saying, "a woman, rather, bin Laden's wife, rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed."
3. Kill Team?
Bin Laden's daughter alleges that the special forces operators first captured bin Laden and then executed him, though that story hasn't been confirmed. But (yet another) unnamed administration official told Reuters that the team “was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him.”
Attorney General Eric Holder claimed that the killing was an act of “self-defense,” but the account given by another official to NBC appears consistent with the idea that they were ordered to kill the terrorist leader. After entering the bedroom where bin Laden was holed up and shooting a woman in the leg, “without hesitation, the same commando turned his gun on bin Laden, standing in what appeared to be pajamas, and fire two quick shots, one to the chest and one to the head.” There were reports of weapons in the bedroom, but bin Laden was “unarmed at the time he was shot.” When asked if the al Qaeda leader had said anything to the operators, CIA chief Leon Panetta told PBS' Jim Lehrer, "To be frank, I don't think he had a lot of time to say anything."
4. Larger Force
According to the New York Times, the team comprised 79 special forces operators and a dog, 3 times the number of troops originally reported. This is relevant to the question of whether they could have taken bin Laden alive had that been their goal. As David Dayen noted, “the SEALs were well-trained and had the element of surprise, and this overmatched their foes, who were not plentiful – there was not a phalanx of bodyguards protecting the al Qaeda leader.”
5. No “Picture-Perfect” Operation
According to the Associated Press, “Navy SEALs carried out what those involved call a textbook military operation that killed the world’s most wanted man, Osama bin Laden.” It's an odd assertion, given that the raid appears to have resulted in a coveted, highly classified technology falling into the hands of a rival state.
ABC reports that one of the four helicopters used in the raid was damaged and destroyed by the SEAL team. But the parts left behind in the compound revealed a “top secret, never-before-seen stealth-modified helicopter” that had previously only been “rumored to exist.” According to the report, “photographs emerged of large sections being taken from the crash site under a tarp,” and former White House counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke “said U.S. officials may have reason to worry about where those parts end up.”
"There are probably people in the Pentagon tonight who are very concerned that pieces of the helicopter may be, even now, on their way to China, because we know that China is trying to make stealth aircraft," he said. The Chinese military is known to have a close relationship with the Pakistani military.
6. Not Living in Luxury
On Monday, defense officials told reporters that bin Laden was holed up in a million-dollar compound and wondered what other terrorists might make of the situation "when they see that their leader was living, relatively speaking, high on the hog."
I fell for this one myself, writing on Monday that “bin Laden was living in the lap of luxury among our allies, not in either of the countries we've invaded and occupied since 9/11.” But according to The Guardian, “local estimates suggest the house is worth $250,000.”
Footage from inside the compound shows little sign of luxury. Cooking equipment was shown on the floor, the decor seemed shabby, medicines were left on a shelf with no cabinet and the pantry seemed rudimentary. The paint was peeling outside the building and there was no sign of air-conditioning.
7. White House Wasn't Watching the Whole Operation Unfold
On Monday, John Brennan said, "We were able to monitor in a real-time basis the progress of the operation from its commencement to its time on target to the extraction of the remains and to then the egress off of the target.” This gave way to the now iconic images of Obama, Hillary Clinton, and others watching intensely from the White House situation room. But the next day, CIA Director Leon Panetta told PBS, “Once those teams went into the compound, I can tell you that there was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes that we really didn't know just exactly what was going on. There were some very tense moments as we were waiting for information.”
[May 10,2011 1:37pm - brian_dc ""]
John Brennan is definitely an epic twat.
[Aug 17,2011 8:06pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
brian_dc said:John Brennan is definitely an epic twat.
You got that right!
Dude said it was a good idea to ship "terror" suspects to Syria, Egypt, etc. because that allowed the "families to get involved" in the interrogations. I.E. maybe we'll get better information if the "terrorists" are forced to watch their wives being raped or their kids being castrated.
And apparently he's the driving source behind the latest "official" version of events in The New Yorker... But the great Russ Baker has deconstructed that mythology quite ably:
http://whowhatwhy.com/2011/08/17/raidbinladen/
Original Investigation:
Who–and What–Are Behind the “Official History” of the Bin Laden Raid?
By Russ Baker on Aug 17, 2011
The establishment media just keep getting worse. They’re further and further from good, tough investigative journalism, and more prone to be pawns in complicated games that affect the public interest in untold ways. A significant recent example is The New Yorker’s vaunted August 8 exclusive on the vanquishing of Osama bin Laden.
...
... as Paul Farhi, a Washington Post reporter, noted, that narrative was misleading in the extreme, because the New Yorker reporter never actually spoke to James—nor to a single one of James’s fellow SEALs (who have never been identified or photographed–even from behind–to protect their identity.) Instead, every word of Schmidle’s narrative was provided to him by people who were not present at the raid.
...
One person who spoke to the reporter, and who is identified by name is John O. Brennan, Obama’s counterterrorism adviser... The mere fact of Schmidle’s reliance on Brennan at all should send up a flare for the cautious reader. After all, that’s the very same Brennan who was the principal source of incorrect details in the hours and days after the raid...
At the time of the raid, the decision to hastily dump Osama’s body in the ocean rather than make it available for authoritative forensic examination was a highly controversial one—that only led to more speculation that the White House was hiding something. The justifications, including not wanting to bury him on land for fear of creating a shrine, were almost laughable.
So what do we learn about this from The New Yorker? It’s truly bizarre: the SEALS themselves made the decision. That’s strange enough. But then we learn that Brennan took it upon himself to verify that was the right decision. How did he do this? Not by speaking with the president or top military, diplomatic or legal brass. No, he called some foreigners—get ready–the Saudis, who told him that dumping at sea sounded like a good plan.
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Also please consider this important caveat: As we noted in a previous article, the claim that the body had already been positively identified via DNA has been disputed by a DNA expert who said that insufficient time had elapsed before the sea burial to complete such tests.
The line about Brennan himself having been a former CIA station chief in Saudi Arabia is just sort of dropped in there. No recognition of what it means that a person of that background was put into that position after 9/11, no recognition that a person of that background and those fraught personal connections is controlling this narrative. He’s not just a “counterterrorism expert”—he is a longtime member of an agency whose mandate includes the frequent use of disinformation. And one who has his own historic direct links to the Saudi regime, a key and problematical player in the larger chess game playing out.
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The New Yorker also includes a few other officials who brief Schmidle on general background, like a “senior defense department official” explaining the overall relationship between Special Operations and CIA personnel, and a named former CIA counsel explaining that the Abottabad raid amounted to “a complete incorporation of JSOC [Joint Special Operations Command] into a C.I.A. operation.”
That’s only slipped into the article, but it is perhaps one of the most important aspects of the piece
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It seems almost as if Panetta, Obama, and the people in the story who most closely approximate actual representatives of the public in a functioning democracy, were basically cut off from observing what went down that day—or from influencing what transpired.
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Taken together, here’s what we have: President Obama did not know exactly what was going on. He did not decide that bin Laden should be shot. And he did not decide to dump his body in the ocean. The CIA and its Special Ops allies made all the decisions.
Then Brennan, the CIA’s man, put out the version that CIA wanted. (Keep in mind that, as noted earlier, CIA was really running the operation—with Special Ops under its direction).
What we’re looking at, folks, is the reality of democracy in America: A permanent entrenched covert establishment that marches to its own drummer or to drummers unknown. It’s exactly the kind of thing that never gets reported. Too scary. Too real. Better to dismiss this line of inquiry as too “conspiracy theory.”
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Summing up about the reliability of this account, which is now likely to become required reading for every student in America, long into the future:
- It is based on reporting by a man who fails to disclose that he never spoke to the people who conducted the raid, or that his father has a long background himself running such operations (this even suggests the possibility that Nicholas Schmidle’s own father could have been one of those “unnamed sources.”)
- It seems to have depended heavily on trusting second-hand accounts by people with a poor track record for accurate summations, and an incentive to spin.
- The alleged decisions on killing bin Laden and disposing of his body lack credibility.
- The DNA evidence that the SEALs actually got their man is questionable.
- Though certain members of Congress say they have seen photos of the body (or, to be precise, a body), the rest of us have not seen anything.
- Promised photos of the ceremonial dumping of the body at sea have not materialized.
- The eyewitnesses from the house—including the surviving wives—have disappeared without comment.
Those are just some of the juicier quotes, the whole thing is worth a read though.
[Aug 21,2011 11:34am - Boozegood ""]
LOL at people thinking it is strange that an after-action report was fucked up when it was first released. I can see why people would expected the report on this to be peachy-clear right off the bat, or at least when they released the info, but that is the fault of higher-ups, as usual. Just because this was an extremely important operation doesn't change the fact that it was still a ground-unit body dropping, door kicking, hard-knock. Expecting the government to report such an operation correctly right off the bat is like expecting staff officers to report shit right, multiplied by a thousand.
How about before people jump to accusing this of not happening they first learn to stop saying 'SEAL Team Six', start to learn about cordon/searches, intelligence gathering, and a million other things.
Don't get me wrong, there is tons of stuff that sure sounds fishy, it's just annoying when people start pointing fingers and pretty much talking shit about DEVGRU, when they can't even take the time to learn simple facts.
[Aug 22,2011 5:12pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
After-action report??? Where??? All we've gotten is White House/CIA/Pentagon propaganda, and really poorly thought-out propaganda at that.
[Aug 22,2011 5:21pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
Also, no one's blaming the propaganda and disinfo on anyone BUT the higher-ups... If you actually read the article you'd note that all on-sight witnesses have been kept from the press, except for a few alleged initial quotes from alleged OBL relatives, since MIA. Clearly Russ Baker and other responsible reporters are putting the fault with the higher-ups, since they're the only ones talking (lying). Where did anyone "talk shit" about Seal Team 6/DEVGRU??