7/21: Morgirion, Nåthruzym, Vattnet Viskar, Bog Of The Infidel @ Ralph's
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[Jul 22,2011 9:43am - arkquimanthorn ""]
bog always sounds great, their guitars and the drummer's massive kicks are always effective, but the vocals were a little low, and i'm with yeti on the stage show. they've had better nights.
Viskar had me paying attention the entire time, which is difficult. they are an excellent band. they remind me of the more aggressive parts of agalloch. i have a weakness for the black metal influenced post rock style. good epic songwriters, but at the same time, really nothing original and no stand out riffs, which i guess is par for the course with this stuff. still, AMAZING drummer, and the light show adds so much to an already good band's set. you can tell they spend a lot of time on the band and they really believe in what they're doing.
Nathruzym did sound thin. i can't remember if they were a four-piece last time they played ralph's, but they were a whole lot better last time. still, solid great band. i guess they're going on hiatus. don't stop playing.
i'm completely false for leaving before morgirion. i wish i didn't do that right now.
[Jul 22,2011 9:44am - arkquimanthorn ""]
and, i thought ballhugger jeans were kind of phased out a few years ago, but whatever. i was guilty myself once.
[Jul 22,2011 10:05am - arilliusbm ""]
I agree with what you said about Viskar in regards to believing what they're doing and being a tight band with interesting lighting. Not to poop in the punchbowl, but they are by no means blackmetal to me and are a sole representation of the direction USBM is moving in. I love me some post rock and black metal, but can't get into it when the two are combined (usually- depends on the band's style). I've accepted what direction "black metal" is going in now and am letting go of being bitter about it. I was entertained by their set somewhat, but cannot call them black metal. Also, not to be a dick, but the bassist looks like he's in Attack!Attack!
If this band was playing shows 6-7 years ago or whatever, they would have been mocked straight-up. But alas, good artists and musicians for what they are: amusing at times, entertaining at others, but not black metal. Sorry to be Mr. Dink, but I'm just expressing my honest opinion.
Then again, it is what it is. Keep doing what you guys are doing; artistic expression has no bounds.
[Jul 22,2011 10:07am - arkquimanthorn ""]
arilliusbm said:not black metal right. they take some from it, but they aren't it.
[Jul 22,2011 10:10am - SLAAAAGG NLI ""]
do a blackened alloy about it
[Jul 22,2011 10:11am - arkquimanthorn ""]
arilliusbm said:are a sole representation of the direction USBM is moving in.
"USBM" isn't a catch-all term for a specific style. that is so many bands that are doing so many different things. the only thing you can infer from USBM, is that they're from the US, and probably play metal.
[Jul 22,2011 10:23am - MetalThursday ""]
Extreme heat sucked the energy right out of this show. Movies playing outside where it was cooler didn't help much either. All the bands were great. I like V.V. a lot... don't know what to call them but it is pleasing to my ears.
[Jul 22,2011 10:37am - Chriskar ""]
We had a blast at this show! Thanks for the kind words about our set. Can't wait to be back.
[Jul 22,2011 10:38am - Yeti ""]
yeah unfortunately it was a fucking oven in there.
[Jul 22,2011 10:41am - arkquimanthorn ""]
arilliusbm said:I've accepted what direction "black metal" is going in now and am letting go of being bitter about it.
denial, anger, acceptance. you know i enjoy grilling you about this.
[Jul 22,2011 10:51am - arilliusbm ""]
arkquimanthorn said:
arilliusbm said:are a sole representation of the direction USBM is moving in.
"USBM" isn't a catch-all term for a specific style. that is so many bands that are doing so many different things. the only thing you can infer from USBM, is that they're from the US, and probably play metal.
True dat. Although I'd argue that when it comes to bands of this style (Deafheaven or some WITTR, etc), I'd say the US is paving the way.
[Jul 22,2011 10:53am - Nicholas ""]
Thanks for the positive reviews guys. We definitely do put everything we have into this band, and I totally agree that we are not black metal. We kind of started out with more of a black metal agenda, but it just turned into this. Really appreciate the feedback though.
[Jul 22,2011 10:56am - arkquimanthorn ""]
i'd like to talk some shop with your drummer, next time.
[Jul 22,2011 11:31am - Nicholas ""]
He had to fly out of there after the set last night, but I'm sure he'd be more than willing.
[Jul 22,2011 12:51pm - Mutis nli ""]
More like blackened atmospheric metal. Still really good. keep it up. I hate the term USBM. Makes me think of fat kids who don't exercise wearing corpse paint. Or a bunch of mutt kids who think they're Vikings.
[Jul 22,2011 12:54pm - Mutis nli ""]
I could tell my amp wasn't loud enough even though I had it cranked. Weird because I never had that problem with my half stack. I was also hoping the sound guy was compensating but I guess not. Ah well.
[Jul 22,2011 12:54pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
:ralphie: "Oh Boy, Sleep! That's where I'm a Viking!"
[Jul 22,2011 12:58pm - arilliusbm ""]
USBM is, was, and will always be subpar to euro BM. That's just how it works
[Jul 22,2011 1:06pm - Yeti ""]
i just dropped a USBM.
[Jul 22,2011 1:12pm - ark ""]
Usbm term is meaningless, I refuse to utter t ever again. Nevarrrrrrr
[Jul 22,2011 1:15pm - Chriskar ""]
USBM = ultra sensitive black male?
[Jul 22,2011 1:29pm - the_reverend ""]
Mutis%20nli said:More like blackened atmospheric metal.
Bang! Spacerock meets black metal.
[Jul 22,2011 1:31pm - hauptpflucker ""]
spacemetal
[Jul 22,2011 1:33pm - mutis ""]
I play spacemetal whenever I forget my riffs.
[Jul 22,2011 1:37pm - burnsy ""]
Only Darkspace is spacemetal.
[Jul 22,2011 1:42pm - Samantha ""]
Zircon has their own space ships and intergalactic empire.
[Jul 22,2011 1:51pm - mutis ""]
ITT: Frontier becomes Spacethefinal Frontier
[Jul 22,2011 1:57pm - arilliusbm ""]
United States Black Metal. Its no different than saying German black metal or French black metal. Identifying black metal by country used to be important; Swedish black metal is different than the Norwegian take on it. But I guess you guys are right: there's no sense in labelling black metal by country anymore because it's all watered down shit anyways. RIP Black Metal
[Jul 22,2011 2:07pm - MetalThursday ""]
Samantha said:Zircon has their own space ships and intergalactic empire.
Armed with the clones of death. And darkness!!!
[Jul 22,2011 2:25pm - Czarnobog ""]
arilliusbm said:United States Black Metal. Its no different than saying German black metal or French black metal. Identifying black metal by country used to be important; Swedish black metal is different than the Norwegian take on it. But I guess you guys are right: there's no sense in labelling black metal by country anymore because it's all watered down shit anyways. RIP Black Metal
SHUDDUP AND PLAY.
[Jul 22,2011 2:26pm - arilliusbm ""]
Give me a band room and a bassist and I will. Or gtfo!!1
[Jul 22,2011 2:31pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
THIS IS NOW A BBW CENTAUR THREAD
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[Jul 22,2011 2:35pm - ark ""]
Fair enough Jim - still never meant a lot to begin with - darkthrone never sounded like or agreed with burzum, peste noire is not blut aus Nord, etc. Every band instantly went in their own direction as soon as that sound was discovered. I guess you could argue that euro bands have always been consistently more awesome. If were talking about BM, I would be perfectly fine if the only records ever released were from nor, swe, fin, fra, and ger, but...i only care about good bands, and I should get back to work
[Jul 22,2011 2:48pm - Alx_Casket ""]
RIP Black Metal
For something that's supposedly dead, the plethora of bitching surrounding it never seems to disappear.
Genre discussion is fruitless and too subjective.
[Jul 22,2011 2:49pm - arilliusbm ""]
Obviously individual bands have individual styles. If one is using it as a description and generalization of the country's sound per se, that'd be completely obsolete in this day and age.
I've ALWAYS organized my black metal by countries and years albums came out. I found it quite interesting in knowing what countries bands are from, especially when there's folk elements involved. This lead me to delve deeper into obscure countries for black metal, and more into Asian metal. In basic principal though, any BM fan that listens to early-mid 90s BM and was to choose which country the band would be from (Norway, Sweden, etc), it should be fairly simple to decipher as both were molding their own niche of a sound at the time. Obviously it's not the same any more, and there's so many bands. USBM to me is simply an acronym to describe that the band is from the US, nothing less nothing more. It's changed, and more and more bands are emulating the euro style. It all depends on how one want to organize their catalogue.. To me, countries and years albums came out were pretty important, regardless of how the band sounds.
[Jul 22,2011 2:54pm - arilliusbm ""]
Alx_Casket said:RIP Black Metal
For something that's supposedly dead, the plethora of bitching surrounding it never seems to disappear.
Genre discussion is fruitless and too subjective.
Thank you captain obvious. Are you new to discussion forums? Thats the point: open discussion and opinions. By your definition, your absence of contribution to the discussion is subjective on your behalf, Mr. Rebecca Black obsessor.
[Jul 22,2011 3:02pm - ark ""]
Haha, Jim I would like to explore this topic further with you, away from the fruitless subjectivity of others :@
[Jul 22,2011 3:03pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
People always pull out the "shut up and play" line, but I've yet to find a way to have band practice on a forum. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the salon.
[Jul 22,2011 3:07pm - Alx_Casket ""]
@arilliUSBM:
As I just posted on your facebook, you're taking the USBM label and using it for geographical purposes. That makes sense, I get it.
Before the cross-breeding of styles, location meant something for sound, now it doesn't. So yeah, like the lords of obviousness pointed out already, USBM is good for location use only, not to describe the sound. Hating USBM as an entity is hating AMERICA, not the sounds it produces, lol
[Jul 22,2011 3:08pm - mutis ""]
As far as different sounds, directions... whatevs. Black Metal is black and is metal. A lot of the so-called "transcendental" bands people are always arguing about, though some may play some good music, are not usually black metal. Blackness is a diverse word, but only encompasses elements such as hatred, depression, malevolence, bleakness, and overall negativity. This can also be portrayed via harmony and melody, especially with chromatics, tritones, minor 2nds etc. But if a band does not have this blackness, they're simply not black metal.
Also: this thread is racist!
[Jul 22,2011 3:10pm - Alx_Casket ""]
This thread is subjective, and obviously created to tarnish the reputation of rebecca black (the only true USBM).
[Jul 22,2011 3:16pm - mutis ""]
I only like transcendental rebecca black.
[Jul 22,2011 3:21pm - Yeti ""]
only balck metal is real.
[Jul 22,2011 3:22pm - arilliusbm ""]
I guess we're all on the same page then. When speaking the acronym USBM for geographic purposes, it should not make people angry.
As using it to describe the country's sound, well, that's quite dumb now because the country is HUGE with millions of people in it, and the number of black metal bands far exceeds that of say, 10-15+ years ago.
The point that I was trying to make is that at one point in time, it was much easier to figure out which country a band was from just by listening to their sound.
Example, if no one knew who Dissection was and heard them for the first time but knew the general difference between Swedish and Norwegian black metal, it should be EASY to figure out they were Swedish. Then again, none of this could really matter to most; I've just always found it an important ideology to have while discussing black metal.. knowing which country the band is from. Only typing too much on a useless topic in a thread for last night's show is real.
[Jul 22,2011 3:24pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Yeti said:only balki metal is real.
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[Jul 22,2011 3:24pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
also, apparently Dissection played black metal. lol
[Jul 22,2011 3:27pm - ark ""]
Score
[Jul 22,2011 3:28pm - arilliusbm ""]
Don't even make me rant about how Dissection is a melodic death band with black metal tendencies. Swedish style guitar riffage, obv. Subjective labeling is subjective.
Also, Bathory's Octagon is the most black metal album ever made, right?
[Jul 22,2011 3:29pm - Yeti ""]
ONLY COLD LAKE IS REAL
[Jul 22,2011 3:29pm - Alx_Casket ""]
Agreed. I've always found location to be good to know because it adds another level to comprehending a band's work: regarding regional politics, culture, natural environment, neighboring influences, etc.
It isn't like that anymore, and any tr00sters (like Mr. Conservative) should relinquish their 1950s mentality and accept that diversity is real and an undeniable construct.