Occupy Boston, general assembly (not the actual occupation) sept 27th[views:42127][posts:221]________________________________ [Oct 17,2011 4:16pm - xmikex ""] arktouros said: [img] I dont even know whose face to take and put on everyone elses |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 17,2011 4:17pm - arktouros ""] white collar, red tie. |
| ______________________________ [Oct 17,2011 4:21pm - Lamp ""] I would say the guy in the gold hat with the cigarette in his mouth staring at the camera would be the more choice option... |
| ___________________________________________ [Oct 17,2011 4:23pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] seconded |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 17,2011 7:20pm - arktouros ""] http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/10/occupy_wall_street_global_prot.html |
| _______________________________________________ [Oct 17,2011 7:58pm - IllinoisEneMABradneSs ""] I work over 40 hours a week and have 30K$ in student loans I'm going to have to repay next year, so go fuck yourself ark or ernie or fucking buttmunch, whatever your dumb name is. I probably borrowed more than I can pay off, can I just throw my hands up and say "fuck it" like the banks did? No I can't. I busted my ass, got high honors at a TRADE SCHOOL in a trade that ISN'T tied to a union, got a job in my field of study and had to apply for forbearance of the loan because there is now way I can support my family AND pay 350$ a month in loan repayment What kind of work do you dicksucks do that makes you think these protests are invalid? |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 17,2011 8:04pm - arktouros ""] hey bro, it was fucking buttmunch, not me. OCCUPY BITCHES. |
| _______________________________________________ [Oct 17,2011 8:09pm - IllinoisEnemaBradness ""] sorry dude, I read it and didn't check names |
| _______________________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 1:33am - fremen freedom front ""] [img] |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 4:43am - Johnny 5 ""] Let's face it. Peaceful protests aren't doing shit. Start assassinating the 1% and decapatating CEO's of fortune 500 companies. |
| _______________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 7:45am - aaron_michael ""] Johnny%205 said:Let's face it. Peaceful protests aren't doing shit. Start assassinating the 1% and decapatating CEO's of fortune 500 companies. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 8:15am - arktouros ""] Stalin-style pogroms all around |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 9:23am - the_reverend ""] IllinoisEneMABradneSs said:I work over 40 hours a week and have 30K$ in student loans I'm going to have to repay next year, so go fuck yourself ark or ernie or fucking buttmunch, whatever your dumb name is. I probably borrowed more than I can pay off, can I just throw my hands up and say "fuck it" like the banks did? No I can't. I busted my ass, got high honors at a TRADE SCHOOL in a trade that ISN'T tied to a union, got a job in my field of study and had to apply for forbearance of the loan because there is now way I can support my family AND pay 350$ a month in loan repayment What kind of work do you dicksucks do that makes you think these protests are invalid?So you fucked up borrowing more than you should have and that is someone else's fault? Incorrect logic is incorrect. If we did forgive people's student loans, I can't wait for 10 years from now when they didn't learn their lesson and they get a mortgage they can't afford and we have to forgive those too. |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 9:27am - the_reverend ""] some people need to understand that the world will always need plumpers, automechanics, sanitation works, etc... and there is nothing wrong with that. Not everyone should go to school for $50K a year to study something that isnt' going to make $50K a year. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 9:29am - arktouros ""] I'ma join the plumper union. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 9:30am - arktouros ""] [QUOTE="the_reverend:1245815"Not everyone should go to school SERIOUSLY. School is not for everyone. BUT someone should be able to live on minimum wage if they're smart with money. Problem is today, especially if you have a family, that's impossible. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 9:32am - arktouros ""] half the problem is everyone is bred to "go to college" only so you can be marketable. you need to pay to get certified no matter what you do. education costs are unbalanced. you are forced to take out a loan you might not be able to pay off, no matter what you do, if only to make yourself "marketable" to employers. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 9:41am - RustyPS should be working ""] It's taken me a while to pay attention to what's going on with these protests, but from what I've read, heard, etc. about what the protestors are fighting for, it seems to me like there really isn't a prevalent, unifying cause that the whole group believes in. It's about anti-government for some people, anti-rich for others, anti-corporate greed for several people, forgiving student loans for a portion of people (I'll get to that in a minute), but nothing that EVERYONE is agreeing on, and if that's true (to be honest, I must claim ignorance, I'm not down there, so I don't know if the news is feeding me bullshit when it comes to this), then I don't see this being successful. It seems like there's a lack of organization of what the ultimate goal is here, and if it's just a bunch of people standing and shouting for random issues, then the government (or whoever else this is aimed at) is not going to listen, and all of this would be for not. Can someone that is more educated on what's going on please tell me what this is about? About the student loans part though, I must agree with Rev's point from earlier, and this is coming from someone who has a shitload of loans to pay back. It was my choice to take the loans, why should the government just say "Alright, fine, we will forgive your loans even though you did not have to take this money from us to begin with." I could have went to a less expensive school that I could have better afforded, I could have skipped school all together and went straight to work after high school (I know plenty of people who make more than me right now that did not go to college, or dropped out of college), everyone has options. Just because it sucks for me and you that we will be paying our loans back for most of our lives does not mean we deserve to be forgiven for paying back money we did not have to take in the first place. |
| ________________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 9:56am - Ancient_Master ""] bennyhillifier |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 9:58am - the_reverend ""] Several of the groups have posted initial demands. I can only go by what white kids with rich parents blog from their iPhones. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 10:05am - arktouros ""] RustyPS%20should%20be%20working said: Can someone that is more educated on what's going on please tell me what this is about? the crux of it is to introduce a constitutional amendment that defines the (lack of) personhood of a corporation, and more specifically to repeal the citizen's united supreme court decision. generally, the sentiment is the government is a slave to the global finance system, through open corruption practices of lobbying and closed-door deals and private contracting with public money. the US and Europe, hell the world is experiencing sharp declines in basic public services because of the financial sector's behavior. the financial sector private system with no accountability, yet they have direct control of the economy and direct control of people's lives. what's the solution? i don't know. but the first step is to get mad, right? people aren't really looking to have someone else pay their loans off. protesters aren't looking for a handout. ultimately the inequality of wealth in the US is directly proportional to the poorest 3rd world countires, and that in itself is wrong. it is that way because the pyramid scheme of government goes from local taxes all they way up to congress who, if they have to come to deadlock over basic health services or defaulting the country for political points, they're obviously not working in the interests of the people. when it can't make a decision over net neutrality, and the FCC has to meet verizon lobbyists behind closed doors, it's obviously working in favor of verizon and at&t. it's obviously broken. you know no matter who you elect, they enter the system as soon as they sit on the bench, and they are powerless to change it if they tried. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 10:10am - arktouros ""] the reason the protests are so stratified on the political system, is because it really is a global problem. there are captitalists protesting with anticapitalists, anarchists protesting with conservatives. some want to eliminate the fed reserve. some want to gut the system. some want accountability. they all want basic services that they already pay for with taxes. some people are sick of the cash black hole in the middle east. it's a populist protest, which borderlines on a populist revolution. it's a real issue that will only gain more public support, and no political party can latch onto it for votes. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 10:15am - arktouros ""] it's definitely not random issues. these are all related. the people know what the banks did with the pile of bailout cash. executives pocketed it and the gap between wealth and poverty got wider. look at any populist revolution and when you drill past political motives, it's always about desire to close the gap. the american revolution was supported by colonial elite because then they wouldn't have to pay the King's tax, and it got popular support for the same reason. look at egypt and all the middle east protests and revolutions all year. there are protests in the richest european countries. people know what the banks did and they're pissed. G20, bilderberg, people are starting to talk about it more and more. i'm rambling like a motherfucker but i hope you get the idea. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 10:15am - arilliusbm ""] im looking out the window at tarp city and watching occupy boston get rained on. lol. |
| _____________________________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 10:15am - RustyPS should be working ""] arktouros said: RustyPS%20should%20be%20working said: Can someone that is more educated on what's going on please tell me what this is about? the crux of it is to introduce a constitutional amendment that defines the (lack of) personhood of a corporation, and more specifically to repeal the citizen's united supreme court decision. generally, the sentiment is the government is a slave to the global finance system, through open corruption practices of lobbying and closed-door deals and private contracting with public money. the US and Europe, hell the world is experiencing sharp declines in basic public services because of the financial sector's behavior. the financial sector private system with no accountability, yet they have direct control of the economy and direct control of people's lives. what's the solution? i don't know. but the first step is to get mad, right? people aren't really looking to have someone else pay their loans off. protesters aren't looking for a handout. ultimately the inequality of wealth in the US is directly proportional to the poorest 3rd world countires, and that in itself is wrong. it is that way because the pyramid scheme of government goes from local taxes all they way up to congress who, if they have to come to deadlock over basic health services or defaulting the country for political points, they're obviously not working in the interests of the people. when it can't make a decision over net neutrality, and the FCC has to meet verizon lobbyists behind closed doors, it's obviously working in favor of verizon and at&t. it's obviously broken. you know no matter who you elect, they enter the system as soon as they sit on the bench, and they are powerless to change it if they tried. Okay, I can agree with and get behind all that. Here's the problem I see: 1) As you said, what's the solution? A bunch of people shouting about this and not offering a outline to change what's wrong isn't very productive, and it certainly will fall on the deaf ears of the government. To them, it probably sounds like when a big group of characters of South Park complain about something, "RABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLE" Now, I'm certainly not smart enough to come up with a way to change the problems you've presented, and I don't know who is, but until a solution is presented, then I don't think this is going to go anywhere. 2) If that is indeed the unifying issue the Occupy people are fighting for, then that's great, but then you seem to have these other people that "joined the cause" just to protest something completely different, and those seem to be the louder people, making this all look like an unorganized mess to some (including myself). I don't know how to fix that either, but that would seem to be hurting the cause as well. |
| _____________________________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 10:24am - RustyPS should be working ""] arktouros said:it's definitely not random issues. these are all related. the people know what the banks did with the pile of bailout cash. executives pocketed it and the gap between wealth and poverty got wider. look at any populist revolution and when you drill past political motives, it's always about desire to close the gap. the american revolution was supported by colonial elite because then they wouldn't have to pay the King's tax, and it got popular support for the same reason. look at egypt and all the middle east protests and revolutions all year. there are protests in the richest european countries. people know what the banks did and they're pissed. G20, bilderberg, people are starting to talk about it more and more. i'm rambling like a motherfucker but i hope you get the idea. Alright, well, I'll just have to take your word for it. I don't follow politics much, mainly because neither side can put aside their differences and work together for the good of the country. With that said, I know that if a group seems unorganized, whether it's perception or reality, then their goals will fall short. If all you say is what the main issue being protested for, then I hope it's successful in bringing about change. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 10:25am - arktouros ""] well a popular protest is bound to have many different ideas about how to fix it. the deaf ears of the government -- the truth is that no matter what politicians say they can't fix it. they will take the demands "under consideration" and it will be business as usual. the protestors certainly don't expect politicians to eliminate corruption and provide COMPLETE transparency and i don't either. that's a popular and vague goal but i'm sure it's basically what everyone wants. a solution isn't needed when everyone's fed up. a solution comes from laying the problems out in the open for all to see, and keep shouting the problems over and over again. it takes time. the civil rights movement was 2 decades of struggle. i doubt that these protests will lose steam anytime soon. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 10:28am - arktouros ""] RustyPS%20should%20be%20working said: I don't follow politics much, mainly because neither side can put aside their differences and work together for the good of the country. i bet 90% of the folks out in the tents would say the exact same thing. that's what it's about. |
| _______________________________________ [Oct 19,2011 12:05pm - the_reverend ""] occupy doesn't affect the 1% in the least. it affects from 70-85% the most I'm guessing. And what they want is what Canada has. Please, go talk to any canadian who said "GTFO canada and came here". |
| _______________________________ [Oct 19,2011 4:15pm - FIST ""] http://www.whatis-theplan.org/ |
| ________________________________________ [Oct 20,2011 2:32am - Ancient_Master ""] bennyhillifier |
| _______________________________________________ [Oct 20,2011 7:32am - IllinoisEnemaBradness ""] the_reverend said: IllinoisEneMABradneSs said:I work over 40 hours a week and have 30K$ in student loans I'm going to have to repay next year, so go fuck yourself ark or ernie or fucking buttmunch, whatever your dumb name is. I probably borrowed more than I can pay off, can I just throw my hands up and say "fuck it" like the banks did? No I can't. I busted my ass, got high honors at a TRADE SCHOOL in a trade that ISN'T tied to a union, got a job in my field of study and had to apply for forbearance of the loan because there is now way I can support my family AND pay 350$ a month in loan repayment What kind of work do you dicksucks do that makes you think these protests are invalid?So you fucked up borrowing more than you should have and that is someone else's fault? Incorrect logic is incorrect. If we did forgive people's student loans, I can't wait for 10 years from now when they didn't learn their lesson and they get a mortgage they can't afford and we have to forgive those too. Are you fucking retarded? where did I say I wanted a bail out? Yea, I borrowed more than I can pay back, that's why I deferred it and WILL pay it back when I can afford it. The point is....oh forget it, have a happy birthday dipshit |
| _______________________________________ [Oct 20,2011 9:14am - AndrewBastard ""] LOL @ bums pissing on their tents... http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/...s_crime_spikes/srvc=home&position=0 |
| _______________________________ [Oct 20,2011 10:46am - Yeti ""] RustyPS%20should%20be%20working said:1) As you said, what's the solution? A bunch of people shouting about this and not offering a outline to change what's wrong isn't very productive, and it certainly will fall on the deaf ears of the government. To them, it probably sounds like when a big group of characters of South Park complain about something, "RABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLE" that's my biggest issue. what do these fatcats in Wall Street care? they willfully fucked us over, now we're pissed, and they are supposed to change? they hold the cash, they hold the power. to me, the only way anything will change is if Congress brings these financial criminals up on charges for the crimes they blatantly committed. but since that will never happen, we aren't going to see any change. Unless someone like Ron Paul comes into office and just fires everyone, and then replaces them with people who actually want to help the public, it's just going to continue. These protests are a sign of changing tides, but still only a symbolic gesture. i truly hope for change, but i won't hold my breath. |
| _______________________________ [Oct 20,2011 10:47am - Yeti ""] basically the only thing that can bring about real change right now is an environmental catastrophe that kills 5 out of the 6 billion people alive right now. |
| _______________________________ [Oct 20,2011 10:48am - Yeti ""] [img] |
| _______________________________ [Oct 20,2011 10:49am - Yeti ""] oh wait, now Alec Baldwin is joining in OWS. THAT'S IT FOLKS, SHOW'S OVER. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 20,2011 10:50am - arilliusbm ""] Tony, we about to pass the 7 billion plateau. read that the other night. :( |
| ____________________________________________ [Oct 20,2011 10:57am - FuckIsMySignature ""] War with Iran is coming. That should take care of everything right? |
| _______________________________________ [Oct 20,2011 12:38pm - goatcatalyst ""] This faggotry is still underway? I was busy ensuring the subjugation of buttdarts for generations to come. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 20,2011 1:03pm - arktouros ""] http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2122...st-network-that-runs-the-world.html |
| ______________________________ [Oct 20,2011 1:10pm - Yeti ""] arilliusbm said:Tony, we about to pass the 7 billion plateau. read that the other night. :( egad. Idiocracy was a documentary sent back in time to warn us. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 20,2011 1:13pm - arktouros ""] well we could just go search for new lands like the vikings did when they couldn't sustain themselves. oh wait. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Oct 20,2011 1:18pm - RustyPS should be working ""] Yeti said: arilliusbm said:Tony, we about to pass the 7 billion plateau. read that the other night. :( egad. Idiocracy was a documentary sent back in time to warn us. It's funny cause it's true *sad trombone* |
| ______________________________ [Oct 20,2011 1:37pm - Lamp ""] Yeti said: arilliusbm said:Tony, we about to pass the 7 billion plateau. read that the other night. :( egad. Idiocracy was a documentary sent back in time to warn us. There's that fag talk again. |
| ______________________________ [Oct 20,2011 3:43pm - Yeti ""] http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/ban...axpayer-backstopped-depositors.html |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 20,2011 4:39pm - the_reverend ""] [img] right... cause shits so much worse now and has ever been even. Let them eat cake. |
| _______________________________ [Oct 21,2011 2:27am - ernie ""] heres the only reasonable thing most people can do about this situation that i have seen... http://www.facebook.com/Nov.Fifth dont take my comments as me completely disagreeing with you, but i feel that if everyone had any self control, patience and sense of responsibility in the first place, nobody would have a thing to complain about.... their are a bunch of people that need to go to jail for ripping "us" off and "our" govt is turning a blind eye because they are all in the same pockets together, but standing around holding up a sign next to a guy yelling THE JEWS DID IT will never accomplish a thing... stop using credit cards, taking out loans, using banks all together and see how much any of this really affects you and you might understand why i could have such a who gives a fuck attitude.. |
| _______________________________ [Oct 21,2011 5:34am - eddie ""] ernie said:i feel that if everyone had any self control, patience and sense of responsibility in the first place, nobody would have a thing to complain about.... QUOTE] wrong. it is also impossible, in any standard btw. people that have made good choices in there lives still get fucked. fact. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 21,2011 9:13am - arktouros ""] ernie said:stop using credit cards, taking out loans, using banks all together and see how much any of this really affects you and you might understand why i could have such a who gives a fuck attitude.. hey did you know your taxes are paying for $122 billion in subsidies to Exxon and Chevron, after they're posting record profits left and right? i'm glad you're ok with that. congress is really going to bat for you on this. |