Does having a sludge element in your band automatically make your band a hipster band?[views:27469][posts:194]___________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 8:31am - arilliusbm ""] You can blame RustyPS for this thread. Discuss, or hip is you. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 8:36am - Alexecutioner ""] i prefer only to listen to bands endorsed by PBR and carabiners. the sludge is a added benefit to the irony. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 8:37am - Alexecutioner ""] that said though, why would sludge be considered hipster? although most of the people i knew who were REALLY into Isis were pretty much hipsters, but just because you're doing sludge today instead of 5-10 years ago means its now somehow ironic and hipstery? has the age of sludge died and anyone who attempts at a revival is hipster? |
| ________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 8:38am - RustyPS ""] I made that comment because it seems that a lot of people feel that way. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 8:39am - Alexecutioner ""] i just think its lazy in a way and easily accessable to more "musicians", any fag can go buy a les paul and play three notes at a snails pace while they stand there trying to look cool. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 8:40am - CurlyRed ""] When I think of "sludge" I think of bands like electric wizard...which isn't hipster to me. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 8:46am - arilliusbm ""] One of my favorite bands was sludgey- Acid Bath. That said, I must say that it's quite overdone now and the hip crowd is currently latching onto it. Doesn't mean the band is bad or "hipster," but it seems to be popular right now. In b4 someone says "i like music for music" |
| _________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 8:50am - CurlyRed ""] Hipsters are taking over the planet. I have at least come to terms with it somewhat, but I still take every opportunity I have to trip them in a pit. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 8:50am - Alexecutioner ""] arilliusbm said:One of my favorite bands was sludgey- Acid Bath. That said, I must say that it's quite overdone now and the hip crowd is currently latching onto it. Doesn't mean the band is bad or "hipster," but it seems to be popular right now. In b4 someone says "i like music for music" i honestly believe its because that style of music is more accessable to play for a broader ranger of people interested in playing music. Lets face it, if you listen to Nile and suddenly become inspired to take up guitar and learn how to play some technical death metal, the learning curve is much higher and im sure people are a lot more likely to give up when the going gets tough. Sludge on the other hand, not even from a perspective from someone who plays guitar (i dont) seems way fucking easier to handle on guitar and therefore someone who may take interest ends up playing something thats on an easier skill level However, when i think of Electric Wizard i think of Doom, but the Doom/Sludge similarity can cross over quite often without being one or the other specifically |
| _________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 8:54am - SLAGnot ""] I am seriously so tired of the term "hipster". I would liken it to the term "terrorist". It is so fucking ambiguous and used as an easy insult to anyone who does not conform to your view of the world. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 8:56am - arilliusbm ""] I think ease of playability could play a role as well. I don't think thats the main reason, though (considering the ratio of musicians to non musicians). |
| ________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 8:56am - RustyPS ""] I listen to a bunch of sludge, or sludgy bands. Hell, I listen to some bands that are definitely hipster. But I think the use of hipster as a derogatory term, especially in relation to sludgy bands gets thrown around WAY too often. It just seems to me that any bands that have gained popularity over the past few years and happen to include sludge elements in what they play gets called hipster, when most of the bands that get called that aren't really hipster. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 8:56am - SLAGnot ""] I'm going to start calling myself a hipster, for fun. Shit, I dress really well, listen to new and different kinds of music, eat weird and organic food. OH SHIT I must be a hipster! |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 8:57am - arilliusbm ""] Only conforming to popular trends in non conformity is real. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 8:58am - arilliusbm ""] I agree, though. I am also sick of seeing the term hipster tossed around. It certainly rolls off of the tongue better than "faggot" though. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:01am - SLAG is HIPSTER ""] How do you know the person is conforming? Are you in the psyche of the individual? You are able to judge someone on the way they look? Are you not conforming to a trend of long hair to be considered "metal"? |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:01am - Alexecutioner ""] i do agree that the term hipster gets thrown around a lot these days. At this point, any heavy music that suddenly becomes popular, gains mainstream or media attention, and has a lot of people that aren't what others consider "regulars" at said local bar that showcases metal is all of a sudden considered hipster. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:02am - CurlyRed ""] I always throw emo and hipster into the same bucket which I guess is wrong. But I hate the human race so it is irrelevant anyways. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:03am - SLAG is HIPSTER ""] Elitism will kill metal (or any genre for that matter) who adopts this mentalitity. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:03am - Alexecutioner ""] arilliusbm said:I agree, though. I am also sick of seeing the term hipster tossed around. It certainly rolls off of the tongue better than "faggot" though. THIS. i think people just throw around the word hipster to people they dont like, or dont enjoy looking at, and its more of a PC word than Faggot. BRING BACK FAGGOT. "Porch Monkey, its cool im taking it back!" [img] |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:05am - largefreakatzero ""] I assume "hipster" = "poseur"? If you're playing a style of music, or including an element within your songwriting, who gives a fuck if it is truly what you enjoy. Then again, it doesn't help your case if you dress like a complete pussy, and appear to have never engaged in any strenuous physical activity in your entire life. |
| _______________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:05am - xmikex ""] Being in a band makes you a hipster. So I guess the answer is yes. |
| ________________________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:07am - SLAG is HIPSTER/FAGGOT ""] AND PROUD |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:10am - arilliusbm ""] My definition of "hipster" is simple: those who think they're being non conformists but conforming to a subculture of their own. Individualism does not require any form of following others. So in essence, "hipsters" are just shallow followers who think theyre non conformist. I know Slag, and he wouldnt fall under that definition. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:10am - arktourO‘s ""] SLAGnot said:I am seriously so tired of the term "hipster". I would liken it to the term "terrorist". It is so fucking ambiguous and used as an easy insult to anyone who does not conform to your view of the world. THANK YOU |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:12am - arktourO‘s ""] social colloquialisms blow. you're all a bunch of niggers. hipsters are just a different consumer culture. metalheads are too. go kill yourself. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:13am - arilliusbm ""] I guess I will cross that out. I like the word hipster because it is one of the best TROLL words you can use to get a rise out of people. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:14am - largefreakatzero ""] Alexecutioner said: arilliusbm said:I agree, though. I am also sick of seeing the term hipster tossed around. It certainly rolls off of the tongue better than "faggot" though. THIS. i think people just throw around the word hipster to people they dont like, or dont enjoy looking at, and its more of a PC word than Faggot. BRING BACK FAGGOT. It's been said before, and I'll say it again. This site was better when we all called each other faggots and pussies. I'm going to propose that you only use the term "hipster" as an adjective from now on. Example: "hipster faggot". |
| _________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:16am - posbleak ""] OK IMO if you don't actually enjoy something, but you say you do because it's the cool thing to do, then you're probably a hipster. But I'm pretty sure legitimately liking something != posing. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:16am - CurlyRed ""] Either you are an asshole or not. |
| ________________________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:17am - SLAG is HIPSTER/FAGGOT ""] So we can safely say that someone who has a deficient or lacking personality or individuality, has just that, an underdeveloped sense of individuality. It has nothing to do with music, style, looks, eating habits or mannerisms. Correct? |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:18am - arilliusbm ""] but what's wrong with social colloquialiams? in a free society, people can choose what they look like how they want to appear. Yes, it is ignorance at its best, but this stuff has been going on for hundreds of years. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:19am - arktourO‘s ""] when you go to a fest, everyone looks the same. all i see in a crowd is buy buy buy. but i can't assume anything about an individual. i've gotten into conversations with people at shows who are the worst fucking mouth-breathing chauvinistic closed-minded assholes ever. i'd rather talk to a "hipster" who has some sense of a joy in their life so i don't talk to the same misanthropic asshole that i am. go wear black and listen to deathspell omega for the 1,000th time. they're no better or no different. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:21am - Alexecutioner ""] arilliusbm said:My definition of "hipster" is simple: those who think they're being non conformists but conforming to a subculture of their own. Individualism does not require any form of following others. So in essence, "hipsters" are just shallow followers who think theyre non conformist. I know Slag, and he wouldnt fall under that definition. to me, hipsters are people who like things because its considered "cool" or "in" like, "hey guys i want to look cooler than i already am, so what better way to do that than suddenly act like i love all these things that are "cool" which as result will make me more "cool" most hipsters dont know shit about shit when it comes to actually knowing the music or genre you claim to be "all about" case in point -wallet chains in the 90's - HIPSTER basically any fad that a million other faggets jump on and do it too... because they think its cool and in turn they will be cool too. BRING BACK FAGGOT, TAKE IT BACK AND STOP CALLING THEM HIPSTERS |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:22am - Hipster Holocaust ""] CurlyRed said:When I think of "sludge" I think of bands like electric wizard...which isn't hipster to me. HAHAHA, SERIOUSLY? |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:23am - arilliusbm ""] SLAG%20is%20HIPSTER/FAGGOT said:So we can safely say that someone who has a deficient or lacking personality or individuality, has just that, an underdeveloped sense of individuality. It has nothing to do with music, style, looks, eating habits or mannerisms. Correct? yes to everything but style. anyone can dress how they want, and yes, metalheads generally all look the same at shows. but there's some idiosyncratic elements which fall under common trends. that goes for everthing. Thats why I think this site is hilarious: http://yourscenesucks.com/ |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:23am - arktourO‘s ""] Hipster%20Holocaust said: CurlyRed said:When I think of "sludge" I think of bands like electric wizard...which isn't hipster to me. HAHAHA, SERIOUSLY? that was funny? |
| ________________________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:26am - SLAG is HIPSTER/FAGGOT ""] Again, how can you SAFELY judge who is and who is not doing it to follow the trends without knowing the person? |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:28am - arktourO‘s ""] you cannot. i get it, if you see a white belt you can maybe start assuming, but then again it doesn't matter a goddamm thing what you think anyway. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:28am - arilliusbm ""] By being an ignorant prick and judging a book by its cover and social interactions. Also by being a prick and looking at their last.fm or facebook. Basically, just being a judgemental prick. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:29am - Alexecutioner ""] SLAG%20is%20HIPSTER/FAGGOT said:Again, how can you SAFELY judge who is and who is not doing it to follow the trends without knowing the person? you cant, i think we can all agree that every person we've ever called a hipster was done solely based on assumption haha FUCK EM. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:31am - CurlyRed ""] Hipster%20Holocaust said: CurlyRed said:When I think of "sludge" I think of bands like electric wizard...which isn't hipster to me. HAHAHA, SERIOUSLY? yeah serrrrrrrrrrrriouslyyyyyyyyyy, I think electric wizard has a lot of sludgey sound to them. But what do I know...I guess I am a hipster. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:33am - Alexecutioner ""] CurlyRed said: Hipster%20Holocaust said: CurlyRed said:When I think of "sludge" I think of bands like electric wizard...which isn't hipster to me. HAHAHA, SERIOUSLY? yeah serrrrrrrrrrrriouslyyyyyyyyyy, I think electric wizard has a lot of sludgey sound to them. But what do I know...I guess I am a faggot. Fix'd due to the new directive of changing hipster back to faggot. my work here is done |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:48am - arilliusbm ""] BRING BACK THE TERM HIPPIE |
| _________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:48am - CurlyRed ""] Alexecutioner said: CurlyRed said: Hipster%20Holocaust said: CurlyRed said:When I think of "sludge" I think of bands like electric wizard...which isn't hipster to me. HAHAHA, SERIOUSLY? yeah serrrrrrrrrrrriouslyyyyyyyyyy, I think electric wizard has a lot of sludgey sound to them. But what do I know...I guess I am a faggot. Fix'd due to the new directive of changing hipster back to faggot. my work here is done :D:D |
| _______________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:52am - Mark_R ""] To me, Electric Wizard are one of the ultimate sludge-y bands, but I have no issue with them being considered a classic doom band either. (What makes the difference to me is EW's fuzzed out/dirty sound compared to more obviously traditional doom bands like Count Raven for example.) Currently, hipsterism (I guess) happens to be going on a lot in metal, but it could be in any area of art. Hipsters will probably have moved on from metal to other things long before metalheads stop accusing others of being hipsters. I do agree that the perception & accusation of hipsterism is greater than the reality of it. Part of that comes from a general co-opting of the word itself to just replace former favored terms like newbie, poser, and 'person I don't like', even though 'hipster' did denote something different. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:54am - arilliusbm ""] I just want to see what the word count for "hipster" is in this thread. |
| _______________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:54am - Mark_R ""] thighster |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:59am - arilliusbm ""] Asster. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 6,2011 9:59am - Alexecutioner ""] arilliusbm said:I just want to see what the word count for "hipster" is in this thread. hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster i cheated... |