2012 Scion Rock Fest[views:20653][posts:82][show listing] _________________________________ [Apr 19,2012 5:28pm - RustyPS ""] [img] You guys gonna hate on Revocation now that they're hooking up with Scion? |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 19,2012 5:35pm - pete singer ""] nice toyota logo on the poster....great bands...total sellout to the man gig. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 19,2012 6:03pm - Lamp ""] RustyPS said:You guys gonna hate on Revocation now that they're hooking up with Scion? It's definitely not helping my opinion of them, unfortunately. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 19,2012 6:03pm - Lamp ""] The biggest disappointment on that show is Cellgraft. Boooooooooo. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 19,2012 6:13pm - Pires ""] RustyPS said: You guys gonna hate on Revocation now that they're hooking up with Scion? absolutely not. i'm fucking glad they're getting huge tours/shows, regardless of who sponsors them. yea, it totally "sucks" they're getting paid to do what we all want to do. fuck the haters. congrats to revocation once again. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 19,2012 6:21pm - Lamp ""] Aside from Cellgraft, most of this doesn't bother me, honestly. Metal has never and will never be about DIY, and it falls perfectly in suit that a genre based around so much misanthropy would be excited about leaving the people behind who helped build your name in search of "greener pastures"... so fuck it. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 19,2012 7:12pm - arktouros ""] Ooooff Lamp, that is way out there don't you think? And look at how sick that show is, Psychic TV next to Saint Vitus!! I don't care if it's the Vatican sponsoring the show, they're giving great bands cash. |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 19,2012 7:16pm - josh_hates_you ""] I'd go to this. Blows away the "metal" fest in woosta. |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 19,2012 7:46pm - bobnomaamrooney ""] Yeah Cellgraft's puzzling. Like the Revo dudes I know Zell's a good dude so it's not like they're going to NEVER SEND ME A T-SHIRT, COUGH MAGRUDERGRIND |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 19,2012 8:58pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] shit's lame |
| ______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 4:07am - Lamp ""] bobnomaamrooney said:Yeah Cellgraft's puzzling. Like the Revo dudes I know Zell's a good dude so it's not like they're going to NEVER SEND ME A T-SHIRT, COUGH MAGRUDERGRIND Revocation absolutely destroys Magrudergrind, FUCK MG. Also, who the hell is Psychic TV? I've never even heard of them. |
| ________________________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 6:18am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] What I really wanna know is, why is Sleep opening for Down |
| __________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 7:33am - Dankill ""] How could anyone hate this show? If you can get a big company to pony up cash for a line-up that doesn't blow, how can you go wrong? |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 7:41am - largefreakatzero ""] This line-up isn't bad at all. As mentioned above, waaaay better than that faggotry known as NEMHF. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 9:29am - quintessence ""] If this was in northeast I would go. Interesting mix... (mezbow wtf?) Too bad FL is fucking a shitdump fuckpisshole and I'll never ever go there. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 9:31am - quintessence ""] Lamp said: bobnomaamrooney said:Yeah Cellgraft's puzzling. Like the Revo dudes I know Zell's a good dude so it's not like they're going to NEVER SEND ME A T-SHIRT, COUGH MAGRUDERGRIND Revocation absolutely destroys Magrudergrind, FUCK MG. Also, who the hell is Psychic TV? I've never even heard of them. They basicly started Industrial music with 2 or 3 other bands in the late 70's |
| _______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 10:53am - Lamp ""] Dankill said:How could anyone hate this show? If you can get a big company to pony up cash for a line-up that doesn't blow, how can you go wrong? If you can help a big company significantly reduce their advertising expenditures by putting on a "cool" show to sell more of their product and involve outsiders with no passion for music in a place where they don't belong, how can you... oh, wait. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 10:55am - RustyPS ""] "involve outsiders with no passion for music in a place where they don't belong" What is this? A cult? We've beaten the subject of Scion to death multiple times, but that line made my head spin. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 11:10am - bobnomaamrooney ""] Accepting Scion money is as much a betrayal of DIY ethos as signing to a major label. In fact thanks to the decline of physical music sales Scion functions as a major label. Bands still getting fucked only instead of some record executive taking the cut it's a car executive. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 11:19am - RustyPS ""] How are bands getting fucked here? I don't see how Scion is treating any band it's woked with unfairly in any way. Did I miss something? |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 11:21am - arktouros ""] "music business" bands like that don't play for free. look at any fest where bands actually get paid. they all have sponsors. are you more likely to buy an ibanez because they sponsor a fest? sorry but investors with cash are the people that make these shows happen. it's not the 80's and not every band is black flag. DIY puts food in your gullet one night and not the next. and "accepting scion money" like it's a pact with the devil. ask any touring band that actually depends on that money to make it to the next gig. EVERY one of them would say YES PLEASE. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 11:24am - arktouros ""] scion has a good reputation for treating bands well which is why they're able to put on stacked shows like this. that can't be said about most labels big or small. |
| ________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 11:31am - yummy ""] Lamp said: bobnomaamrooney said:Yeah Cellgraft's puzzling. Like the Revo dudes I know Zell's a good dude so it's not like they're going to NEVER SEND ME A T-SHIRT, COUGH MAGRUDERGRIND Revocation absolutely destroys Magrudergrind, FUCK MG. Also, who the hell is Psychic TV? I've never even heard of them. I haven't heard anything from them in years. I used to listen to them on industrial comps and genesis P-Orridge stuff.oh the acid days. |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 11:32am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] Some people you just can't reach, its what we had here last week. Which is the way he was...I don't like it anymore than you do. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 11:39am - Lamp ""] RustyPS said:"involve outsiders with no passion for music in a place where they don't belong" What is this? A cult? We've beaten the subject of Scion to death multiple times, but that line made my head spin. It's our scene, not theirs. Act like it. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 11:44am - RustyPS ""] lol that is just silly No more arguing about this topic from me. Clearly, I don't share the same ethics as other people, and therefore, reason doesn't apply. Carry on. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 11:48am - Sellouts ""] Anyone who plays an instrument is as much in bed with multinational corporations as these bands are. Get off your high horses with your guitar center bought guitar cab, and gibson les Paul. You can't get away from powerful corporations no Matter what you do. Don't hate on these bands for taking advantage of a good opportunity. Anyone who plays music and suffers the life of a starving artist, would hop on this show in a heartbeat. Idiots. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 11:48am - arktouros ""] "our scene" and "passion for music" wide-eyed teen talk man. it's time and money to play music. yes even grind bands need money. accepting promoter money isn't the death of the underground (what the hell is that anymore) and a victory for capitalism or something. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 11:48am - arktouros ""] [QUOTE="Sellouts:1294584"Anyone who plays music and suffers the life of a starving artist, would hop on this show in a heartbeat. Sellouts Johnson is right! |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 11:49am - dreadkill ""] Sellouts said:Anyone who plays an instrument is as much in bed with multinational corporations as these bands are. Get off your high horses with your guitar center bought guitar cab, and gibson les Paul. You can't get away from powerful corporations no Matter what you do. Don't hate on these bands for taking advantage of a good opportunity. Anyone who plays music and suffers the life of a starving artist, would hop on this show in a heartbeat. Idiots. only making your own instruments is real. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 11:50am - Alx_Casket ""] Lamp said: It's our scene, not theirs. Act like it. bennyhillifier |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 11:59am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] arktouros said:yes even grind bands need money. Pretty sure this isn't Phobia's first dance with these corporate types. Burn the witch |
| _______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 12:00pm - Lamp ""] arktouros said:it's time and money to play music. yes even grind bands need money. Well duuuuuuh. I just think basement shows and checking out new bands embody the spirit of the underground and of course I believe in bands having their gas tanks filled and merch bought, etc. Yes I listen to plenty of "big name" bands, blah blah. At the end of the day, I just don't see how anyone could think a fest with the same tired bands that have been around for 30 years at a giant stadium with overpriced beers and swarms of overnighters everywhere in sight is more fun than going to a basement or warehouse and seeing the same small group of friends you know are psyched about new bands and people who are interested in bringing those bands to your town. I don't expect to make money off playing music, ever. That's what I get a job for. I'm not asking that corporations stay out of my life entirely... I'd just like them to stay the fuck away from this one thing. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 12:03pm - Lamp ""] This also goes back to the earlier point of being disappointed by Cellgraft being on the show... I know bands like Down, Exodus, Repulsion, Phobia, all the other death metal bands are not part of that group and haven't been for some time, so whatever they want to do is pretty much irrelevant to me at this point. I had just never heard of Cellgraft doing anything like this before and was disappointed by their choice of what to do with their band. That's all. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 12:04pm - Alx_Casket ""] "white folks, they take everything. They took Tina Turner, they took Michael Jackson, they took James Brown...gave him back, who else they take? Lionel Richie. Oh, they'll take stuff from you." -Paul Mooney |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 12:06pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] First all, do you understand its first come first serve for tickets, kinda the same thing the AS220 is doing for the Nasum show. Also when the now super hated band Magrudergrind put out the record thru scion they gave it away. All the buyer had to pay was shipping. Not bad in my opinion, also name one band who wouldn't go along with that. Or for that matter paid airplane tickets, a hotel for the band and catering. Holy shit its like being a lifetime al bundy and then being asked to pitch at fenway park. The horror, the horror. whatever, y'all just want nonsense to argue over. |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 12:08pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] And I would love to see you tell the doods from New Lows or Mind Eraser that theyve made poor life choices for taking scion money |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 12:13pm - dickhead666 ""] what "Sellouts" said. a lot of the Scion complaints are actually code for "i'd like my romantic illusion of a pure DIY underground scene to continue without having a corporate logo intruding on my fantasy". i can understand that, just say that instead. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 12:16pm - amorok666 ""] Repulsion |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 12:16pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] ITT: casting calls for the remake of Pump up the Volume. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 12:32pm - Lamp ""] I just don't have the energy for this shit right now... I need some fucking pizza. Pizza is way more important than any of this bullshit |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 1:00pm - bobnomaamrooney ""] Yeah Magrudergrind didn't charge anything for the ep but I still paid 15 bucks for it because they never sent the fucking t-shirt I'd ordered |
| _________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 1:03pm - RustyPS ""] whiskey_weed_and_women said:Also when the now super hated band Magrudergrind put out the record thru scion they gave it away. All the buyer had to pay was shipping.One more thing, Wormrot and Immolation did the same thing through Scion, and yet, I don't remember hearing any outrage/hate towards those bands when they did. Just wanted to get that out. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 1:06pm - arktouros ""] Enslaved too. Free EP was fucking awesome. They didn't wear scion shirts live or anything. |
| ________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 1:09pm - Burnsy ""] arktouros said:Enslaved too. Free EP was fucking awesome. They didn't wear scion shirts live or anything. Haha. This. First track on the EP is so killer. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 1:12pm - arktouros ""] Lamp said:I need some fucking pizza. No no Lamp! Pizza can't save you now. I still demand satisfaction for the "metal is not about DIY" comment. Can you really keep a straight face and say that, sort of devalues the efforts of a million bands. I seem to remember self-producing, self-releasing, screen printing, shirt pressing, duping and cutting print for tapes, fucking leatherworking, etc that would put any band who claims those three magical letters as a selling point to shaaaame. You'll pay for that comment at the next D&D table buddy. As for Cellgraft, sorry their actions don't sync with what you think their ethics are, why don't you ask them why they did that, maybe they will change your mind. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 1:20pm - largefreakatzero ""] Lol @ this thread. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 1:24pm - Lamp ""] arktouros said: Lamp said:I need some fucking pizza. No no Lamp! Pizza can't save you now. I still demand satisfaction for the "metal is not about DIY" comment. Can you really keep a straight face and say that, sort of devalues the efforts of a million bands. I seem to remember self-producing, self-releasing, screen printing, shirt pressing, duping and cutting print for tapes, fucking leatherworking, etc that would put any band who claims those three magical letters as a selling point to shaaaame. You'll pay for that comment at the next D&D table buddy. As for Cellgraft, sorry their actions don't sync with what you think their ethics are, why don't you ask them why they did that, maybe they will change your mind. Because, as far as I can tell, metal bands only use DIY as a stepping stone out of necessity because when they start out, they have no other choice. I would be willing to make a solid wager that just about any metal band who is DIY now would jump right on board with Scion or a major label if given the chance, rather than make it their lifestyle and band's career path. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 1:26pm - Lamp ""] RustyPS said: whiskey_weed_and_women said:Also when the now super hated band Magrudergrind put out the record thru scion they gave it away. All the buyer had to pay was shipping.One more thing, Wormrot and Immolation did the same thing through Scion, and yet, I don't remember hearing any outrage/hate towards those bands when they did. Just wanted to get that out. Was anybody really surprised when either of these bands jumped on board with Scion? Wormrot was already signed to Earache and Immolation... well, I'm not going to claim like I know anything about their career path, I've never even listened to them. So perhaps someone else can rebound me about what they have done with their band. Magrudergrind on the other hand, outright rejected an offer from Relapse PRIOR to working with Scion, not to mention they were the first band to jump on board with these shenanigans as far as I know, so it came as much more of a shock to me anyway. I had no idea what "Scion Audio Visual" was before the deal for the Crusher EP was made. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 1:35pm - yummy ""] I laugh at how serious people take certain things here. No offense to anybody. People act like it's "their thing" that's being taken hostage. |